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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: GlassJaw on September 07, 2007, 10:06:01 PM
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This is the most irritating, frusting aspect of the game. God I hate ENY. Please get rid of it. It simply does not work the way you intended. I try switching arenas and get hoarded then switch to the mid war and fly for 5 minutes before getting nailed with a 20 ENY there also. Please, please, please change this.
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ENY works as intened. It simply prevents a side with vast numerical advantage to horde their enemies with even the best planes. Nothing more.
:aok
BTW, when ENY hits 20, your side has such a numerical dominance that flying a "crappy" 190A5, 109F4/G2, Ki-61, A8 etc is a pretty safe thing even for the average player. Basically you suffer more from lack of targets than lack of flyable planes...
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Well I hate to be the typical "just switch sides" guy but....just switch sides. Unless of course there's some kind of loyalty issue to a chess piece. Maybe even convince your squad/buddies to go with you, even things up a bit more.
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Never ran into a problem with ENY. Sometimes I'll pick a plane and an error will pop up that its ENY value is too low. I then pick a plane with a higher ENY value. I know it sounds crazy, but it actually works!
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The only time ENY irritates me is when it's near to reset. One side bails the arena allowing the rest side to be flooded with perk prowlers sitting in the tower doing sweet FA.
I don't mind being ENY'ed I accept it but to be stuffed by me own sides tower peen-aces that's a err bugger. ouch:furious
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I almost agree with Glassjaw: ENY is a very, if not the most irritable, aspect of the game (aside from some of the maps). I don't know that it really accomplishes what some think it does, since I've been on airfields overwhelmed with cons, yet still am told I can't fly certain planes.
That said, the one thing ENY has done, as much as I hate to say it, is to get me to try different planes. I don't know that I would have come to know and love the FM2 Wildcat without ENY.
Still, ENY sucks.
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Eny has nothing to do with what you see at a specific airfield if it's being overwhelmed. It's a global numbers thing. Can't control how many of them head to one target.
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eny should be based on number of players in flight. not on total number of players per country. ive seen often 30-40 idiots in tower afk just there doing nothing but fowling up the eny system.
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Originally posted by ROC
Eny has nothing to do with what you see at a specific airfield if it's being overwhelmed. It's a global numbers thing. Can't control how many of them head to one target.
I know that, ROC. I'm just saying it seems ludicrous sometimes when you're getting your bellybutton kicked at a certain field and are told you can't fly anything but a paper plane to defend yourself.
BTW, ROC; I'm from California, too. Up in Eureka, in Humboldt County, on this end.
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I have an idea! remove ENY, but bring back the old strat system!
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Ki61 is "crappy". LMFAO. Sure, keep thinking that.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Ki61 is "crappy". LMFAO. Sure, keep thinking that.
Did you miss the "" ?
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Fly Knights!!!! ENY is hardley ever an issue.:aok
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Fly Rooks ENY never effects me
Thing that should be changed about ENY IMO is at least let the perked rides be available. If someone wants to use there perks then they should be able too. ENY in effect or not. Hec I wish they would just make the plane cost perk point as ENY goes up. As the ENY goes up, the perk value goes up too on the lower eny planes that cost nothing when eny is not a factor. So if the horde wants there LALAs and 16s. Let em have em, just make em pay for it. Don't have enough things as it is now to use your perk points. I know guys that have 10's of thousands of perk points collecting dust. Just don't make it some low amount say when eny hit 5, the 5 eny planes cost 50 perks. when it hits 6 add 10 more, 7 10 more perks and so on. :D
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Originally posted by Citabria
eny should be based on number of players in flight. not on total number of players per country. ive seen often 30-40 idiots in tower afk just there doing nothing but fowling up the eny system.
Absolutely agree.
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Originally posted by Citabria
eny should be based on number of players in flight. not on total number of players per country. ive seen often 30-40 idiots in tower afk just there doing nothing but fowling up the eny system.
So that, especially in low populated arenas or in off peak times, one large squad would land, ENY drops, then up a low ENY plane mission...
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ENY works. Why change it?
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Originally posted by Citabria
eny should be based on number of players in flight. not on total number of players per country. ive seen often 30-40 idiots in tower afk just there doing nothing but fowling up the eny system.
Umm,, no. What happens when they up that horde mission of La7s and P-51s.
Those get all upped at once, it would be an in flight work around.
Ohh and for glassjaw. Thanks for another eny whine thread. It proves that ENY works.:aok
Bronk
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Originally posted by Lusche
Did you miss the "" ?
Problem is, if someone new to the game were to see it, they'd more than likely believe it.
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Originally posted by Raptor
I have an idea! remove ENY, but bring back the old strat system!
someone's looking for a flogging:)
I think it would be a good thing to boot people who are inactive for 10 minutes or something like that. Not only for ENY but for arena caps as well. That said, if you don't want to deal with eny you have solutions available to you. ENY works fine, maybe if you keep getting hit with it you'll get mad enough to actually change teams. Also keep in mind, for every single base that your horde army can't defend, there are probably 2-3 they are completely over running. don't get mad at ENY because your country can't allocate it's resources well enough, get mad at your generals and hoarders.
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I don't know why people are all mad about eny. We always have the spit 1 :D
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there are some excellent planes in the 15-25 category:aok
the reason the people are in the tower is because --
1)they are waiting for eny to go down(this makes me laugh)
2)if you almost always fly the same thing it may take some time to choose a different one (this is understandable) multiply this time number of people picking a new ride at a given time= lots of folks not in flight
3) they already went to bed but if their side wins it will be the only way they will ever get 25 perks
for those first 2 reasons I dont think basing eny on in flight only would work.
The first time I couldn't fly a f6f I was mad .. but it opened me up to the f4u1 and the k61 .. roll with it..open your horizons! if eny gets to be 30 switch sides or arenas
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Originally posted by xtyger
I know that, ROC. I'm just saying it seems ludicrous sometimes when you're getting your bellybutton kicked at a certain field and are told you can't fly anything but a paper plane to defend yourself.
That's what the Ostie is for. Learn to love it! You'll have the skies cleared in no time. ENY works as intended-end of transmission.
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Originally posted by GlassJaw
:cry
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Originally posted by FBplmmr
there are some excellent planes in the 15-25 category:aok
the reason the people are in the tower is because --
(...)
3) they already went to bed but if their side wins it will be the only way they will ever get 25 perks
And this isn't even necessary. You will still get your perks, even if not online at the moment of reset.
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Originally posted by Lusche
And this isn't even necessary. You will still get your perks, even if not online at the moment of reset.
I've never gotten my perks after I've logged off right before a reset...
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ENY does eem to work at times, but at others it's just pointless. I remember flying one night as a knight and we had an ENY of 25. Normally I don't care but the thing was we only had 21 pilots in the air to the Bish 45ish and the rook 50ish. we had nearly 70 players just sitting in the tower, it was insane. with ENY at 25 we couldn't up a decent bomber to take out hangers and ords to slow down the other sides and we got pushed way back to the uncapturables. It was around 2 am so I think that alot of players just went to bed without logging off.
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Originally posted by C(Sea)Bass
ENY does eem to work at times, but at others it's just pointless. We remember flying one night as a knight and we had an ENY of 25. Normally We don't care but the thing was we only had 21 pilots in the air to the Bish 45ish and the rook 50ish. we had nearly 70 players just sitting in the tower, it was insane. with ENY at 25 we couldn't up a decent bomber to take out hangers and ords to slow down the other sides and we got pushed way back to the uncapturables. It was around 2 am so We think that alot of players just went to bed without logging off.
:D
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Odd. I did.
Back in the day when I was new, I did thoroughy track my perk status ("only 1.6 more, and I can fly that 163") and Reset Perks were about the only ones I got at that time (n00b in LA-7).
That was when I noticed at log-on that I had suddenly 25 perks per category more than I had when leaving the arena...
As long as you have been 12hours in the country which won the war, you will get them.
Once in a while I still get unexpected perks from EW/MW arena that way.
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Originally posted by C(Sea)Bass
ENY does eem to work at times, but at others it's just pointless.
Like when ENY is at 29 and you can't even fly a CV plane (Other then B5N and stuff)
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onlytime i have a problem with ENY is when it goes up to 25 or higher win we are about to win the war, this mainly happens for 3 reasons.
1. People are afk and staying logged in to get free perks.
2. Other countrys actually changing sides to get free perks and be in the winning side.
3. Other countrys giving up and logging off.
It is not fair that someone who has been playing hard and taking bases to have to switch sides to EVEN things out, then what was the point of even taking bases to win the war.
ENY goes against the WAR effort completly, it is like HIGHTECH is oxymorining themselfs, they build a arena where the goal is to win a war, but then when the war is close to won it becomes even harder.
I dont mind ENY so much but dang it should never go above 20.
It was really only ment to keep the LAs and ponys grounded anyways;)
And for those that complain at 10 ENY, get over it. there is plenty of planes that ar exellent in the 15-20 catagory.
I myself fly corsairs and they range from 5-25 ENY so i really never have a problem. No side should ever complain about ENY when it is under 20, after that then i think its highly unfair. It is really unfair when the numbers are only like 40 to a side and one side has 8 less people and u have a 20 ENY. 1 good pilot on the NO ENY SIDE can make all the difference.
It is not really the numbers that makes the difference, its pilots skill lvl and team work that comes into play when defending and attacking bases
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
2. Other countrys actually changing sides to get free perks and be in the winning side.
You DO NOT get perk points for switching to a country just prior to a reset.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
It is not really the numbers that makes the difference, its pilots skill lvl and team work that comes into play when defending and attacking bases
Don't kid yourself ... superior offensive numbers will always be the determing factor when attacking a defended base.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
onlytime i have a problem with ENY is when it goes up to 25 or higher win we are about to win the war, this mainly happens for 3 reasons.
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ENY goes against the WAR effort completly, it is like HIGHTECH is oxymorining themselfs, they build a arena where the goal is to win a war, but then when the war is close to won it becomes even harder.
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the goal is to piss the other guy off..so far HiTech is winning!:aok
the system is fine.. the people are broken !
if a bunch of people on your team are just sitting in the tower thats not HTcs fault.. if you got booted for sitting in the tower too long these guys would just up a gv and hide
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Originally posted by FBplmmr
if you got booted for sitting in the tower too long these guys would just up a gv and hide
mannable ack guns at fields are even better... K/H doesn't suffer :D
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No concetrated numbers mak the difference not overall. Just the other night Rooks wer outnumberd by 30 with about 100 players on. I organized a mission and got 40 people, i took 4 bases back to back.
Balive what u want, but yes if everyone FURBALLS to gain control of a airfield then yes numbers have something to do with it, but when i can go in there alone and drop 8 planes, that keeps 8 of my guys alive to keep fighting if each one of them would have gotten 1 kill.
I also thought u didnt get perks for switching sides, but i was wrong, I had a squaddi log on and was on the wrong country, he switched over 5 minutes befor we won the war and he GOT PERK POINTS. I even told him he wouldnt get points but he told me he did that he even got the msg. so maybe it does maybe it dosnt sometimes.
The fact is Numbers dont mean a whole lot, because there are 3 sides, and ususally what ever side is getting attacked by the other 2 is the loser.
Everyone complains when they getting overwhelmed but they dont want to do anything about it. Same way with tank town, you could always prevent it from being taken if u wanted to, but alot of people like to go to where the furballs are.
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I think the ENY works great. From a designers point-of-view, it does
exactly what it should. No matter what the ENY, I've always found a
plane that I love to fly. German cannons - yum, yum!
btw: What exactly DOES E.N.Y. stand for? I know what it does and
how it works - but what does E stand for? N stand for? Y stand for?
Nobody has ever been able to answer that question for me. Who's up
for the challenge?
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Originally posted by CAFghost
I think the ENY works great. From a designers point-of-view, it does
exactly what it should. No matter what the ENY, I've always found a
plane that I love to fly. German cannons - yum, yum!
btw: What exactly DOES E.N.Y. stand for? I know what it does and
how it works - but what does E stand for? N stand for? Y stand for?
Nobody has ever been able to answer that question for me. Who's up
for the challenge?
Enemy numbers Y?
lol, no clue
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Waaaaaaaah Waaaaaaaaah Waaaaaaaaah!!!!!! Cry about Your ENY problems to someone else. At some point in time we all experience it and get over it. You just learn to fly new planes and get even more perk points than you would in a low ENY plane.
Besides, it's the skill of the pilot, not the lackings of a plane, that determines life or death.:aok
Thats just my $0.02
Banshee7
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you guys gotta relize..... eny is a GOOD thing. for instance
say bish had 200 ppl on, and knights had 120, if those 200 ppl can up all LA LAs, and the other team could only up F4Us... thats not fair, or even worse, we would have to fly those peice pf junk 190s :furious
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ENY would be more palatable if the values for each plane were more evened out....whats the LOWEST eny for any LW ride...15? vs P47N which is 5, P51 which is 8...eny rarely puts out K4, and it is essentially an LA7 that does well at alt, plus it has taters (OK...of course ya have to be able to HIT stuff:noid )
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Originally posted by GlassJaw
This is the most irritating, frusting aspect of the game. God I hate ENY. Please get rid of it. It simply does not work the way you intended. I try switching arenas and get hoarded then switch to the mid war and fly for 5 minutes before getting nailed with a 20 ENY there also. Please, please, please change this.
if you dont like the eny bro come fly for me sometime
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
No concetrated numbers mak the difference not overall. Just the other night Rooks wer outnumberd by 30 with about 100 players on. I organized a mission and got 40 people, i took 4 bases back to back.
So you actually just proved my point - "superior offensive numbers will always be the determing factor when attacking a defended base".
You got 40 guys and overwhelmed the 4 bases you took ... and don't try to tell me you ran into 40+ guys trying to defend each one of those 4 bases.
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Part of the problem is due to the 3 country system. One country gets low on numbers (ususally nit) but the other two have fairly high numbers. The higher of the two gets really hammered... at any given time its the rooks who are up in one arena and the bish that are up in the other. Then you have a 60 vs 100 vs 120 type of situation. The inflight probably looks more like 50 vs 80 vs 95. If your team with 100 and your on the side of the map fighting the guys with 85 then your getting penalized because of low numbers on the 50 side. In other words your fighting with P40's and a6m2's vs spit 16's, LA7's, Niks and everything else even though the side your fighting against is not hurting for people.
I think AAolds just might be right.... maybe we should disband the knights.
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=2570300#post2570300
The 3 country system does create alot of extra complexity from a game balance standpoint.
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Originally posted by GlassJaw
Part of the problem is due to the 3 country system. One country gets low on numbers (ususally nit) but the other two have fairly high numbers. The higher of the two gets really hammered... at any given time its the rooks who are up in one arena and the bish that are up in the other. Then you have a 60 vs 100 vs 120 type of situation. The inflight probably looks more like 50 vs 80 vs 95. If your team with 100 and your on the side of the map fighting the guys with 85 then your getting penalized because of low numbers on the 50 side. In other words your fighting with P40's and a6m2's vs spit 16's, LA7's, Niks and everything else even though the side your fighting against is not hurting for people.
I think AAolds just might be right.... maybe we should disband the knights.
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=2570300#post2570300
The 3 country system does create alot of extra complexity from a game balance standpoint.
No ... your wrong.
If Knights have 40 and Bish have 110 and Rooks have 120 ... both the Bish and Rooks have been wacked with ENY ... so no matter what front the Knights are fighting, they will be fighting against inferior planes.
Oh ... and HT has stated in previous threads that he and Pyro have tried the 2 country, 3 country, and 4 country systems ... and they believe that the 3 country system provides the correct dynamics that they are looking for ... so don't hold your breath waiting for a change.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
No concetrated numbers mak the difference not overall. Just the other night Rooks wer outnumberd by 30 with about 100 players on. I organized a mission and got 40 people, i took 4 bases back to back.
Umm the nmbers you've just given are mathmatically impossible. Stick to blowing your own horn, math isn't your forte.
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Hurray for ENY!
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Umm the nmbers you've just given are mathmatically impossible. Stick to blowing your own horn, math isn't your forte.
And reading comprehension is not yours. ;)
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
No concetrated numbers mak the difference not overall. Just the other night Rooks wer outnumberd by 30 with about 100 players on. I organized a mission and got 40 people, i took 4 bases back to back.
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Rooks outnumbered by 30.
Rooks with 100 total on-line.
Therefore, enemy with 130.
Warlockl gets 40 of 100 Rooks to form his base capturing horde.
Warlockl et. al. get 4 captures despite being outnumbered overall 130 to 100.
This is due to the "concentrated numbers" in his area of 40 vs. 0.
Don't feel bad, Steve. If you saw the LTAR bbs, you would know I have a lot of experience deciphering incomprehensible spelling and sentence structure. :aok
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When hit with ENY, I punish the side with low numbers in anyway I can.
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Originally posted by AAolds
I'm a tool when it comes to ENY.
fixed.
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Originally posted by E25280
And reading comprehension is not yours. ;)
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
No concetrated numbers mak the difference not overall. Just the other night Rooks wer outnumberd by 30 with about 100 players on. I organized a mission and got 40 people, i took 4 bases back to back.
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Rooks outnumbered by 30.
Rooks with 100 total on-line.
Therefore, enemy with 130.
Warlockl gets 40 of 100 Rooks to form his base capturing horde.
Warlockl et. al. get 4 captures despite being outnumbered overall 130 to 100.
This is due to the "concentrated numbers" in his area of 40 vs. 0.
Don't feel bad, Steve. If you saw the LTAR bbs, you would know I have a lot of experience deciphering incomprehensible spelling and sentence structure. :aok
He never said there were 100 rooks on. he said there were 100 people on. While it may not have been his intent, he is saying there were 100 people on. In other words, 100 people in the arena. ergo, based on his verbiage, his math is unworkable.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
He never said there were 100 rooks on. He said there were 100 people on. While it may not have been his intent, he is saying there were 100 people on. In other words, 100 people in the arena. Ergo, based on his verbiage, his math is unworkable.
I took the liberty of correcting your capitalization.
Actually, he said "players", not people. So, they could be dogs or cats or aliens playing the game too . . . so, again, you have misinterpreted. :D
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Just the other night Rooks wer outnumberd by 30 with about 100 players on. I organized a mission and got 40 people . . .
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If you do not take poor English sentence structure into account, then yes, he has a "math problem."
However, given the fact that he can not spell the word "were" correctly (among others), it is much more reasonable to conclude that his sentence structure is equally poor. This leads one to the conclusion I previously posted, that "100 players" actually refers to 100 Rook players being on line.
So . . . listen to what he means, not what he says - er - types. :p
(Time for someone to post that picture with the caption that begins "Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics . . . ")
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LOL Hub
:aok
Bronk
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
fixed.
Yeah, you should be fixed so the world does not have to put up with your offspring. :p
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Originally posted by AAolds
When hit with ENY, I punish the side with low numbers in anyway I can.
meaning what exactly? How are you punishing people in a game? Why would you want to punish people? Why would you make a statement like this? Is your only reason for playing to make others unhappy? Just curious.
AH serious business.
Also to an earlier post by warlock, once again, the point of the game is not to win the war. That is what you believe it to be. HT has said many times the point of the game is simply combat.
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Originally posted by nirvana
Well I hate to be the typical "just switch sides" guy but....just switch sides. Unless of course there's some kind of loyalty issue to a chess piece. Maybe even convince your squad/buddies to go with you, even things up a bit more.
I have the loyalty to the chesspeice thing.
but thats just the way I like to play.
When ENY hits. I just simply take a plane not effected by it.
In 5 years of playing If nothing else I've discovered that if you familiourise yourself with each plane. You will find you can get kills in anything, against anything.
Those that have problems flying anything else but the planes effected by ENY are simply too lazy to learn anything else but the EZmode planes.
There isnt a fighter in the game that I havent gotten kills in. Cept maybe a spit.
But thats only because I dont fly spits.
They are beneith me.
I leave them for the peasants ;)
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
There isnt a fighter in the game that I havent gotten kills in. Cept maybe a spit.
If talking about the main arenas, there seem to be quite a few fighters (apart from Spits) the player DREDIOCK hasn't any kills in:
Hurricane Mk IID
Hurricane Mk I
F4U-1
F4U-1A
F4U-4
La-5FN
P-47-D11
P-47-D25
C.202
;)
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
Fly Rooks ENY never effects me
Thing that should be changed about ENY IMO is at least let the perked rides be available. If someone wants to use there perks then they should be able too. ENY in effect or not. Hec I wish they would just make the plane cost perk point as ENY goes up. As the ENY goes up, the perk value goes up too on the lower eny planes that cost nothing when eny is not a factor. So if the horde wants there LALAs and 16s. Let em have em, just make em pay for it. Don't have enough things as it is now to use your perk points. I know guys that have 10's of thousands of perk points collecting dust. Just don't make it some low amount say when eny hit 5, the 5 eny planes cost 50 perks. when it hits 6 add 10 more, 7 10 more perks and so on. :D
this is almost perfect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by pluck
meaning what exactly? How are you punishing people in a game? Why would you want to punish people? Why would you make a statement like this? Is your only reason for playing to make others unhappy? Just curious.
No malicious punishment, just something like parking Tigers on their runway and blasting planes as they appear or killing their HQ, etc.
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Originally posted by Lusche
If talking about the main arenas, there seem to be quite a few fighters (apart from Spits) the player DREDIOCK hasn't any kills in:
Hurricane Mk IID
Hurricane Mk I
F4U-1
F4U-1A
F4U-4
La-5FN
P-47-D11
P-47-D25
C.202
;)
How far do those stats go back?
Cant be all the way back to when I first started playing because I know I've gotten kills in all.
And the F4s and P47s in particular
In any event. I am printing out that list as we speak and will have that rectified by the end of the week.
Depending on how many nights I fly
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ENY working:
(http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/8616/ahss40zl9.png) (http://imageshack.us)
and
ENY not working:
(http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/333/ahss43lk0.png) (http://imageshack.us)
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When are you playing that there are less than 100 people on?
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midnight to 4am East coast time.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
How far do those stats go back?
Cant be all the way back to when I first started playing because I know I've gotten kills in all.
And the F4s and P47s in particular
In any event. I am printing out that list as we speak and will have that rectified by the end of the week.
Depending on how many nights I fly
I checked all tours 26 - 92.
But to my regret I have to admit that somehow some numbers.. well went crazy.
I did run it again, and here are my new results:
Planes without any kills:
B5N2
Ki-67
Jeep
F4U-1A
SBD-5
B-25C
Spitfire Mk XVI
Spitfire Mk VIII
As you can see my first list was competeley wrong.
My apologies for spreading misinformation.
Yours truly dimwitted
Lusche :o
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Originally posted by Lusche
I checked all tours 26 - 92.
But to my regret I have to admit that somehow some numbers.. well went crazy.
I did run it again, and here are my new results:
Planes without any kills:
B5N2
Ki-67
Jeep
F4U-1A
SBD-5
B-25C
Spitfire Mk XVI
Spitfire Mk VIII
As you can see my first list was competeley wrong.
My apologies for spreading misinformation.
Yours truly dimwitted
Lusche :o
LOL I was halfway through the list too.
Even set rules for myself. Just to give an added challenge to it
I would only count flights where I landed the kills.
And they had to be legitimate fights and not vulches.
Think I will continue anyway
Its making for a nice change of pace. And gives me something different to do.