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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: C(Sea)Bass on September 08, 2007, 08:55:12 AM
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(http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/2981/lowf18ht4.png) (http://imageshack.us)
I wonder if he could get lower....?
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all the demo teams do that...when they get just enough speed they pull into a stall right off thr runway.
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I don't remeber seeing the Thunderbirds do that, but then again I havn't seen them in 5 years. Thers not too many shows near me so I don't get to see many of the teams either.
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I saw the T-birds in Rochester...can't remember how long ago...
They sped up and pulled straight up.
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It doen't look to me like he just took off though. the gear is entirly up and judging by the vapor coming off the plane he is moving quite fast.
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True...he also might have been on the deck until his gear came up
By then he would have had much speed.
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Originally posted by SpikesX
all the demo teams do that...when they get just enough speed they pull into a stall right off thr runway.
That would result in a nasty crash if they did that. A stall is not conducive to remaining airborn.
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I've seen their show and he didn't just take off. They do a low alt pass at just barely sustainable speed like that. Then he hits the gass and goes vert. It's pretty cool to watch.
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Originally posted by Maverick
That would result in a nasty crash if they did that. A stall is not conducive to remaining airborn.
I should re-phrase that...just over stall speed
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I've seen their show and he didn't just take off. They do a low alt pass at just barely sustainable speed like that. Then he hits the gass and goes vert. It's pretty cool to watch.
A little bit off topic...but I love it when they take off in formation.
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F/A-18 only costs 16 million? F-16s cost 3 times that much, some of the newest models are coming in at near 100 million I believe.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
F/A-18 only costs 16 million? F-16s cost 3 times that much, some of the newest models are coming in at near 100 million I believe.
Its not the plane that costs only 16 mil. The fly away cost of 40-50 mil is with all the crap they put inside from radars and other various ASE equipment.
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I have no idea what it costs, I just put a figure up. I have a book somehwere about modern planes and I rember it saying the f16 is 12 million (most likely just the plane, not all the avionics and radar). I figures an f18 would be more expensive on the simple fact that it has 2 engines as opposed to 1.
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Here's a page I found interesting on the F-16.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-16.htm
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I bet the pilot is thinking "Shrinkage!"
Way to close for comfort...
Mac
#6
Wasn't he the one that crashed this Summer?
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I managed to dig this up: "The price of 300 F-18s after 500 fighters have been procured would average about 5.8M," from
http://www.georgespangenberg.com/vf16.htm
but with the info from this site: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread222426/pg
If you do the math the F-18E/F comes to 95.3 Million per plane.
as a comparision the F-22 comes to 338.4 Million per plane.
All rather cheap compared with the 2+ Billion for the B-2
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I was thinking about that too, Mac. I believe 6 was the one that went down.
Amazing skill to get it that low.
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When Canada bought 130 F18's back in the early 80's they came out to about $35 million ea. That included spares support etc I believe.
Great airplane, but a bit dated now I suppose.
cheers,
RTR
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F14 was better and would have been cheaper to upgrade, but still F18 isn't bad, ugly looking though.
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Originally posted by C(Sea)Bass
F14 was better and would have been cheaper to upgrade, but still F18 isn't bad, ugly looking though.
why do you figure that, f14 was more dated thereyby requirium more numerous upgrades, and at a higher maintenence cost, the 14 is dated, and it was costing 2x as much to maintain them as much as the f18, which is also btw multirole :furious
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It would have ended up being cheaper by far to upgrade tomcats than to buy new F18's to replace them. Not to mention the F14 is more capable of doing AG roles and about equal at AA roles. On top of that the F14 has a better saftey record than the F18, which should be more important than cost because, after all someone has to be in this thing when it goes into combat.
Give me 24 hours and I'll have sources to back this up.
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Originally posted by evenhaim
why do you figure that, f14 was more dated thereyby requirium more numerous upgrades, and at a higher maintenence cost, the 14 is dated, and it was costing 2x as much to maintain them as much as the f18, which is also btw multirole :furious
Tomcats forever!
F14 had much better fuel than the F18
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and in my opinion F-14 looks prettier. :)
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Originally posted by Wes14
and in my opinion F-14 looks prettier. :)
(http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/2488/l1b84f4d8505bbe6a86f98ciy0.jpg)
(http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/570/f14climbvk2.jpg)
Yeah? so what if the F14 was dated...
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Originally posted by SpikesX
Tomcats forever!
F14 had much better fuel than the F18
Compare maintenance hours required.
Beast of a bird to maintain...but I agree, she's a beaut!
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The best wway I've ever heard the F14 described was with one word, Sexy.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qw6Yw3hmR2M
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F-16s arent as expensive as I thought:
Unit cost:
* F-16A/B: 1998USD 14.6 million
* F-16C/D: 1998USD 18.8 million
* F-16E/F: 1998USD 26.9 million
* F-16I: 2006USD ~70 million[15]
Only the Israelis use the I. On another note though, F-16s use block numbers instead of letters indicate specialization, so there could be a big difference in block number price even though it was still an F-16C.
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I had a friend from college that was a RIO in a Tomcat. They just flat out disappeared and were never seen again. No wreckage or other floaty stuff in the area where they were last seen. This was in late 2001 or early 2002 and they were deployed flying over Afghanistan.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
F-16s arent as expensive as I thought:
Unit cost:
* F-16A/B: 1998USD 14.6 million
* F-16C/D: 1998USD 18.8 million
* F-16E/F: 1998USD 26.9 million
* F-16I: 2006USD ~70 million[15]
Only the Israelis use the I. On another note though, F-16s use block numbers instead of letters indicate specialization, so there could be a big difference in block number price even though it was still an F-16C.
thats not the final cost of the I