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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: kamilyun on September 09, 2007, 12:35:38 AM
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A humorous read...slightly long, though:
50 worst cars of all time (http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/completelist/0,,1658545,00.html)
Edit: A sample
1982 Camaro Iron Duke
(http://img.timeinc.net/time/2007/50_cars/chevrolet_camaro.jpg)
There was a time when 90 horsepower was a lot, and that time was 1932. Fifty years later, it was bupkis, especially under the hood of Chevy's beloved Mustang-fighter, the Camaro. As the base engine for the redesigned 1982 Camaro (and Pontiac Firebird), the 2.5-liter, four-cylinder "Iron Duke" was the smallest, least powerful, most un-Camaro-like engine that could be and, like the California Corvette, it was connected to a low-tech three-speed slushbox. So equipped, the Iron Duke Camaro had 0-60 mph acceleration of around 20 seconds, which left Camaro owners to drum their fingers while school buses rocketed past in a blur of yellow.
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No LADA? Pfff.....that list is soo off.
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could that list be any more obviously biased?
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he consequences of putting every living soul on gas-powered wheels are piling up, from the air over our cities to the sand under our soldiers' boots. And by the way, with its blacksmithed body panels and crude instruments, the Model T was a piece of junk, the Yugo of its day.
Could have been interesting, but I got to the 2nd car and this line and flushed.
Easy for some half wit no body to say, sitting behind a keyboard, enjoying the fruits of technology this Model T spurred on. I dare this author to even come close to trying to create something of this magnitude, in the time this was accomplished. Heck, forget that, I dare him to create something as simple as this is Today.
Sorry, didn't find it funny, found it pointless. Someone makes a living berating other peoples attempt at actually doing something with their talents. I didn't want to read it long enough to risk remembering the authors name.
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I see a few lemons missing from the list:
1982 Buick Skylark
1975 Chevy Vega
1980's Pontiac J cars
1974 Ford Mustang II
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I call BS, there is no Ford Contour on that list.
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I cant comment on the American cars because i don't know anything about them. BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XK-E and X-Type?
Yet not even a Skoda on there...
I don't like the list, but some of it is quite amusing.
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I drove this beauty in '78 for a year , AMC Hornet. What a dog. Mine was Bananna Yellow.
(http://www.cascaderamblers.org/images/70/4309094253962.jpg)
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Why do Brits not make computers?.......
(Can't figger out how to make 'em leak oil:D )
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My car is on that list ~ only I think mine is a 2002, not 2000? Maybe. I dunno. The excursion. I love it though. I did like the old suburban better, but this one does just nice.
Wonder why it was on the list? See below. It's on the list because it's big? And if I buy the thing, who the heck cares if I drive it across country or to the mall? I'm making the payments, it's entirely my business WHERE I drive it to.
GM had its H2. Ford had the Excursion, a Mount Rushmore-sized SUV based on the company's Super Duty truck platform. Dubbed the Ford "Valdez" by the Sierra Club, the Excursion was a passenger vehicle of gob-smacking proportions.
It weighed 7,000 lbs, measured almost 19 ft. long and stood 6.5 ft. tall. At the time, Ford argued that many of its customers — ranchers, farmers, um, tugboat enthusiasts — needed a vehicle this big with over 10,000-lb. towing capacity.
Maybe that was true, but that didn't keep Suzy Homemakers from driving them to the mall. To its dubious credit, the Excursion pioneered the use of the blocker bar, a kind of under-vehicle roll bar designed to keep the Excursion from rolling over anything unfortunate enough to be hit by it.
The Simpsons wrote the Excursion's cultural obituary in the episode where Marge buys the "Canyonero." "Can you name the truck with four wheel drive, smells like a steak and seats thirty-five...Canyoner-oooo!"
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No matter what the list... most of the cars will be from the mid seventies to the mid 80's...
The decade of "we must clean up the air to stop global cooling" and "what can it hurt?"
The socialists made mandates that only electronic fuel injection and small computers could achieve. Those were a decade away from being viable.
the cars of that decade are the result of lefty nanny socialism triumphing over free market.
The result was cars that created more real pollution than they did before. The mickey mouse and complex devices rarely worked and they mostly made the cars run so bad that they polluted more... and had to be replaced more often and got worse mileage.... lose lose.
lazs
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Originally posted by bj229r
Why do Brits not make computers?.......
(Can't figger out how to make 'em leak oil:D )
That wasn't it!
The original prototypes had Lucas wiring, they never made it past boot up before the lab got smoked out.
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What cracks me up are the tree-huggers that wrote up the Explorer and even more so, the LM002.
The LeeMoo2 by Lamborghini was ahead of it's time. Take a Lamborghini Countach V-12 and throw it in a fully boxed frame SUV platform. It did 0-60 in 8.5 seconds, and it weighed 5700 pounds.
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Originally posted by Flatbar
That wasn't it!
The original prototypes had Lucas wiring, they never made it past boot up before the lab got smoked out.
It was found that vehicles with the Lucas system can get a hotter spark if the wiring harness is on fire.
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Nice to learn I've owned four of the brands although not quite the specific years. :rolleyes:
The Dauphine was good looking but the engine tired easily. However, we had good service from our Corvair, Chevette, and Pinto (2).
Some lists have included the Chevy Vega, but that also was good for us.
When you're young and squeezing nickels, you learn that sometimes the cheapest car is not the most inexpensive.
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Originally posted by bj229r
Why do Brits not make computers?.......
(Can't figger out how to make 'em leak oil:D )
:rofl
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Just feel lucky that you never got the Austin Allegro in the US.
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^ or that abortion- the morris marina
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I'm surprised the list wasn't all french, british and italian cars.
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I'm am surprised the Renault Alliance isnt listed...what $7,000 piece of crap that was in the 80's
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t92/Airscrew/allianceconvert.jpg)
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t92/Airscrew/275px-RenaultAlliance.jpg)
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t92/Airscrew/ralliance85.jpg)
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You forgot an even worse Renault. The LeCar. Talk about a POS!
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
You forgot an even worse Renault. The LeCar. Talk about a POS!
hmmm the renault 5 turbo was one of the best cars in it's class IMHO
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Originally posted by storch
hmmm the renault 5 turbo was one of the best cars in it's class IMHO
The Renault 5 Turbo and LeCar although very similar in appearance, two totally different cars. I knew I guy that had a LeCar, piece of junk, a French Yugo...IMHO... :D
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We forgot 1 very important car.
The Chevy Nova
"No va" in Spanish = NO GO.
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Originally posted by Wolfala
We forgot 1 very important car.
The Chevy Nova
"No va" in Spanish = NO GO.
Wolf , more info on the NOVA vs No Va...
http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.asp
First of all, the phrase "no va" (literally "doesn't go") and the word "nova" are distinct entities with different pronunciations in Spanish: the former is two words and is pronounced with the accent on the second word; the latter is one word with the accent on the first syllable. Assuming that Spanish speakers would naturally see the word "nova" as equivalent to the phrase "no va" and think "Hey, this car doesn't go!" is akin to assuming that English speakers woud spurn a dinette set sold under the name Notable because nobody wants a dinette set that doesn't include a table.
Although "no va" can be literally translated as "no go," it would be a curious locution for a speaker of Spanish to use in reference to a car. Just as an English speaker would describe a broken-down car by saying that it "doesn't run" rather than it "doesn't go," so a Spanish speaker would refer to a malfunctioning automobile by saying "no marcha" or "no funciona" or "no camina" rather than "no va."
Pemex (the Mexican government-owned oil monopoly) sold (and still sells) gasoline in Mexico under the name "Nova." If Mexicans were going to associate anything with the Chevrolet Nova based on its name, it would probably be this gasoline. In any case, if Mexicans had no compunctions about filling the tanks of their cars with a type of gasoline whose name advertised that it "didn't go," why would they reject a similarly-named automobile?
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2003 Hummer H2 ---
Not surprisingly, the green-niks struck back. A Hummer dealership was
torched in Southern California.
aaah peace loving green-niks..
:rofl
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That list sucks. The cars listed were chosen for not enough reasons. Ugly alone isn’t enough of a reason to qualify as one of the worst vehicles ever. Heck, if all it took was ugly, most US cars from the 70’s and 80’s would be shoe-ins. Many Japanese and Euro cars also would qualify. Looking 3% better than a Pinto or Gremlin does not bump a car out of seriously ugly.
Many cars suck much worse from mechanical design. Ever see an old Fiat with more than 35,000 miles on it? That should tell you something. A good list should be partially based on a survey of replacement parts sales per vehicle per type on the road (or in a driveway on blocks). Ever try to fix a Fiat 128? To this day I’m convinced that Italy offers no education past 7th grade. Any “worst list” that isn’t at least 20% Fiat can’t be too accurate.
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Fix
it
again
tony
Bronk
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Originally posted by Bronk
Fix
it
again
tony
:rofl
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Thanks, Airscrew, for the Nova enlightenment. It's embarrassing how many of us swallowed that one hook, line, and stinker.
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The guy who wrote this should be writing hallmark greeting cards, and keeping his soft little finger tips away from any topic remotely related to machines.
He didn't like the Rambo Lambo because of the people who bought it?
He didn't like the Explorer because of the SUV trend it kicked off?
He didn't like the BMW 7-series because of the I-Drive?
He didn't like the Hummer H2 because it was inefficient.... yet put the EV1 in there because it didn't do the job of being an electric car WELL ENOUGH to please him, and still yet, put the Camara Iron Duke and Corvette California in there because they were TOO watered down from their original, indulgent bretheren....
THIS GUY IS A sweetheartBAG ON WHEELS
Why didn't he put the Prius on there because ITS clientelle? -- because he probably drives one.
Or how about the Original Humvee, since it was even bigger and less efficient than the newer ones?
Or why not stick every Ferrari ever made on there, since they too happen to be favorites of our cash-bloated, camel-****ing, oil-pumping, diaper-headed friends in the sand? Or every Bentley and Rolls, for that matter?
This list was interesting early on, humorous towards the middle, and an ejaculation of limp-wristed political views at the end.
**** this piece of ****.
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So tell us how you REALLY feel about that neubob.:)
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Originally posted by texasmom
So tell us how you REALLY feel about that neubob.:)
It’s hard to get any emotion out of neubob; he tends to hold back.
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For all his "brilliance" the author failed to do his research. The NHTSA found that the Corvair was as safe or safer than any other vehicle on the road. They were NOT at all unsafe or unreliable, and the 65 and up were really good looking cars. The 60 through 64 cars weren't bad either, just not as slick or as quick.
The Vega wasn't bad either, it's more that owners were ready for the type of maintenance they required. It would have been better (well, easier) had GM used cast iron sleeves, but had people taken care of the engine correctly, they'd have been fine.
The gist of it is, stupid, arrogant idiots, who are not car people, should not write about cars.
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two words...
Plymouth Cricket! What a disaster. When I was dating my wife her friend got talked into buying one and it never ran, and was always in the shops. Within three months of buying the abomination she was finally able to talk the dealership into taking the car back.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/13/PlymouthCricket.jpg)
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Why is the R5 (Lecar for USA) a POS? It was definitly a lowbudget car, no thrill inside/outside, but it ran for ever with it's itsybitsy engine. Very successfull in France.
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I think that even tho restrained.... neubob is right.
The crosley that the guy got all upset over the engine... It was one of the most successful racing engines of all times in the lower classes like midget racing and even bonnie. Everyone it seemed liked the motor.
He did hit the nail on the head on a couple of cars tho but he used hysteria and PC and myth to make too many of his choices... the corvair handled great compared to the VW bug for instance... nader lied... the pinto sold millions and it didn't burn any more than most cars in a wreck... it was small and the tank was in the truncated back... new cars are as vulnerable with the crush zones and such.
lazs
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Where is the
Fiat
peugeot
Ford Fiesta
K car
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When I was a kid we had a 63 Corvair 4 door. From 72 to 76 my dad drove that car to work and I started to learn to drive with that car, never had a problem. I also drove my dad's 65 Mustang and 67 Camaro. I hated the seats in those cars I always felt like I was falling backwards. In 1977 I bought a 75 Vega GT, 4 speed, 23,000 miles for $1500 I had saved up working odd jobs and loading hay for people. Drove it for almost 2 1/2 years, only thing I had to replace was a headlight, the starter, and tires, never gave me a problem.
I dont think this guy has a clue what makes a car good or bad. Each of us has our own worst and best list. Ask my dad and he'd probably tell ya the 1947 Chevy Fleet Master was one of the worst cars ever built. He said stuff was always breaking on that car, it left him stranded a few times and that was 1955 and 1956. I'd say the 1982 Ford Exp should be on that list, that car was so bad I dont even want to look at fords anymore (except old fords..)
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Why is the R5 (Lecar for USA) a POS? It was definitly a lowbudget car, no thrill inside/outside, but it ran for ever with it's itsybitsy engine. Very successfull in France.
here too. the turbo was much better though.