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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rpm on September 09, 2007, 01:23:13 AM
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I am a pretty compassionate soul in matters of human kindness and helping those less fortunate than myself. But, one of the things that gets under my skin is taking that kindness and abusing it. More specificly, food stamps.
I see it day in and day out, day after day. They walk up to the check out stand with a basket full of junk food, candy and soft drinks. You might find a pound of hamburger meat under the 3 tubs of Blue Bell if you're lucky. Food stamps should be for just that...food. Not fried pies, cakes, candy bars, Cokes, potato chips, ice cream, Slimfast, RedBull, donuts and any other junk food you can think of.
I see the baskets full of junk food roll out time and again to be loaded into the brand new cars and trucks these people seem to be able to afford. The worst case I ever saw was at another store where a woman bought about $200 worth of hamburger meat and loaded it into a taco wagon. She was going to sell the meat she got for free. (and yes, I did call but got a "so what" in reply)
I had a young couple in tonight that commented "We spent $50" as they walked out with 3 bags full of candy bars and crap. No, you didn't spend $50. I did. I paid for the free munchies you just scored, not you you ungrateful piece of human waste. Hop into that tricked out ricer you're so proud of with the trashcan exhaust and 5KW stereo and thump your way back to the house before you accidentally find a job and have to take the gromets out of your earlobes and rings outa your lip. By the way, I noticed you didn't buy any condoms, either. I'm sure I'll be seeing you in a few months with your new WIC card.
At least with WIC (Women, Infants and Children) it limits the purchase to specific items that have been approved for purchase and checks them against the list at the time of purchase. No junk, just food. It removes a lot of the opportunity for abuse and still gives needed items for proper nutrition. Why can't we do the same with food stamps?
Before you guy's go screaming it's the Democrats fault, remember I live in a Republican controlled state and the Republicans had plenty of time to do something about this when they had a majority in Congress. I didn't see one of them lift a finger to do anything about this.
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damm illegals!
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Ramsey, I see far, far less abuse done by the "illegals" than I see done by "legals".
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after reading so many post on this forum i thought food stamps are abused only by fat illegal mamasitas with bunch of kids under skirt.
sorry, my mistake
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For once, I agree with rpm.
I've always observed the same stuff and thought "that herd is over-populated and is over-grazing its environment". I'd like to see proper herd management applied.
Its time to cull, folks. The hunters of our state are willing to help. Let's enact a 30 day open season on Lone Star Card holders. We can close that down once acceptable herd populations are achieved.
I'm only partly kidding :t
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Originally posted by rpm
the Republicans had plenty of time to do something about this when they had a majority in Congress. I didn't see one of them lift a finger to do anything about this.
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Amen brotha... preach on! They sat on their hands while those of us who voted them in, after they promised to hear our voices, railed against their sloth and deceit. IMHO the two party system is a failure.
The republicans want to take all of our money and give it to illegal aliens and others who don't have the self respect to get a job; all the while posing as those that wouldn't do so.
The dems want to do the same things, at least they make less of an effort to deceive.
Time to form the Conservative party because we conservatives most certainly are not being represented by the RINO's in office currently.
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Shut it.
You dont pay crap.
The gov takes your $$ and kicks down 0.002% to the people.
So sorry you work and get everything you want.
but APARENTLY someone buying candy bothers you.
Take five bucks and hand it to someone and watch them spend it on candy,then you have a right to rant.
Its not just about YOU.
Drink a beer you #^%&'s
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Uneducated people make bad decisions. If they were making healthy choices in what they eat, they probably wouldnt have made so many bad decisions to get them on food stamps in the first place.
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Originally posted by BaDkaRmA158Th
Shut it.
You dont pay crap.
The gov takes your $$ and kicks down 0.002% to the people.
So sorry you work and get everything you want.
but APARENTLY someone buying candy bothers you.
Take five bucks and hand it to someone and watch them spend it on candy,then you have a right to rant.
Its not just about YOU.
Drink a beer you #^%&'s
Don't mess w/ Karma's foodstamps!
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Foodstamps are NOT an entitlement. They are a benefit of living in a compasionate society funded by me,
Joe D. Taxpayer.
I'll rant all I want, it's an entitlement.
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Karma... you forget your Oh Henry.
My family has been on WIC both when I was in the Military and when I had just gotten out. You cannot understand unless you have been there how much pride had to be swallowed to accept help. There is nothing more disgracing I feel in feeling like you cannot take care of your family.
Needless to say I got a great paying job a little while later and was able to get off it. Did WIC help? Absolutely, Did we need it? You betcha. Were there people waiting in the line to recieve free items that didn't really need it? Hells yes.
Point I am trying to make is that what i believe is the same as RPM is trying to say(in my own drunk mind at the moment) That there are people that use and abuse this system. i quit my great paying job to spend time with my family, I spent 20 out of 24 months deployed to Iraq.
Anyways, the majority of the people I worked with were prior service, I was personally appalled at the the amount of folks that would retire/ETS and brag literally about how much disabiliity they would get. Keep in mind,the work I did was not for the faint hearted, it wasn't as brave as going out to secure an objective or anything like that, but it entailed sometimes traveling by either air or convoy to support a unit that needed help. I prefered to travel by convoy as I hate flying as a passenger.(1 airborne accident fixed that for me we had a bad bird strike and got thrown across FRIAR DZ) Not to mention, it's easier to transport me to somewhere as opposed to having a convoy travel with broken comms. Either way, these poor excuses would get 75-100% disability, yet at the same time, deploy overseas to make 100k plus.
Lemme think about this for a sec, you are "physically unable" to go overseas w/ your unit, yet you can get discharged, receive an outlandish amount of compensary funds that you and I pay for, yet, get forward deployed w/ a contracting company and recieve a HUGE paycheck, 80k tax free. Did I retire from the military? No. Did I claim Disability? Nope, Why? Because even though I have Severe problems that were accrued while serving our great nation, I feel personally that it does not hinder me from performing to support my family.
Anyways folks, this is just my opinion..and personal feelings, If you truly need help, by all means use it until such time as you can support yourself. If you are just "milking the system" because you feel like Uncle Sam "owes you something... #^#$ off!
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SoulTakr
Thank you for your service. Outstanding!
Now don't get me wrong. If you are due beni's for service related stuff, by all means take advantage of them. It is due you from a grateful nation.
Taking them when you've never really earned or deserved them is another matter. I'd hope follow-up would find the most flagrant, but I can dream.
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Think yourself lucky.
In this country the wasters dont get food stamps, they get money. So instead of actually spending it on.....and we'll sidestep the whole "is a twinky food" question.......food they can spend it on anything they wish....
Alcohol, drugs, large boltcutters so they can go stealing bikes......etc.
They opened an asylum seekers refuge near where I used to live, within a day of it opening the cycle racks were full of mountain bikes and scooters and every window had a satellite dish bolted to the wall outside it. I'd love to know how these ******** managed it on the pittance they get from the gov.
Once upon a time I was unemployed and expected to run a household on £40 a week ($80 ish). And yeah I did ask why I was only getting £40 a week when I'd been paying around £200 a week in tax for the last 5 years.
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Originally posted by Swoop
They opened an asylum seekers refuge near where I used to live, within a day of it opening the cycle racks were full of mountain bikes and scooters and every window had a satellite dish bolted to the wall outside it. I'd love to know how these ******** managed it on the pittance they get from the gov.(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-8/48257/Swoop2.gif)
Typical, but at least in here they get things like bicycles and satellite dishes on top of their allowance on need basis.
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Why does anyone need a satellite dish?
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Remember that the people standing at the register using food stamps are just doing their jobs, like the pizza guy. :) Don't get too mad at them.
Grocers, food distributors and farmers are the people who contribute to the campaigns of politicians who will keep and expand programs like these. Neither they nor politicians care about who gets the food stamps because those people aren't getting the money. Businesses are getting the money.
Food stamps are a transfer payment from taxpayers to businesses. The people using them at the cash register are just couriers. ;)
For a politician, the couriers are a constituency and so are businesses. Business and the food stamp recipients are partners, hand-in-hand. Interesting image, isn't it?
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Originally posted by Swoop
Why does anyone need a satellite dish?
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They need Al-Jazeera etc. to make them feel like home.
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the irony is killing me. liberals are amazed by human nature. rpm you are an imbecile sir. I type that with sincere compassion for your plight but the solution is a mere party change away.
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Originally posted by BaDkaRmA158Th
Take five bucks and hand it to someone and watch them spend it on candy,then you have a right to rant.
Hey numpty, just who's money do you think that is that the gov is handing out?
Tell me just how much $$ the gov would have if they didn't forcibly take it from the people?
Bronk
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Originally posted by rpm
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I see it day in and day out, day after day. They walk up to the check out stand with a basket full of junk food, candy and soft drinks. You might find a pound of hamburger meat under the 3 tubs of Blue Bell if you're lucky Food stamps should be for just that...food. Not fried pies, cakes, candy bars, Cokes, potato chips, ice cream, Slimfast, RedBull, donuts and any other junk food you can think of.
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...Because its not a good idea to put ice cream in your pants?;)
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Originally posted by FBplmmr
...Because its not a good idea to put ice cream in your pants?;)
:lol
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America has the fattest poor people in the world, no wonder all of Mexico wants to come here
link (http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/bg2064.cfm)
To understand poverty in America, it is important to look behind these numbers—to look at the actual living conditions of the individuals the government deems to be poor. For most Americans, the word "poverty" suggests destitution: an inability to provide a family with nutritious food, clothing, and reasonable shelter. But only a small number of the 37 million persons classified as "poor" by the Census Bureau fit that description. While real material hardship certainly does occur, it is limited in scope and severity. Most of America's "poor" live in material conditions that would be judged as comfortable or well-off just a few generations ago. Today, the expenditures per person of the lowest-income one-fifth (or quintile) of households equal those of the median American household in the early 1970s, after adjusting for inflation
The following are facts about persons defined as "poor" by the Census Bureau, taken from various government reports:
* Forty-three percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
* Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
* Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
* The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
* Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.
* Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
* Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
* Eighty-nine percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.
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In kalifornia we have decided that food stamps are too humiliating for people to be given so we give em credit cards.
Welfare was not the work of republicans by the way... whatever war we were in when food stamps started is now paid for but... the food stamp program... that started out small... is now huge and well... getting bigger every day with less to do with helping and more to do with entitlement.
and you want a government run health care system?
lazs
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In a lot of areas, I've read that foodstamps are preferred to regular currency. There is a whole seperate market for them.
I wish they were more like WIC, with vouchers for certain products, rather than something like a substitute dollar bill.
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should i?
tell me you are not taking this forum seriously
if answer is yes, you have serious problem
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
IMHO the two party system is a failure.
I've said this for years. <> Steve
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Originally posted by texasmom
What are you, the genius of the bunch? Why don't you do a little research to find out exactly how & by whom foodstamps are 'paid' for. Until then, kindly don't post and remind us of what an idiot you are.
Wow Mom, did one of the kids break your favorite coffee cup?...Feisty this am...;)
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texmom.. he may or may not be an idiot but he most certainly uses his emotion to think with. It leads to idiotic statements like we are not paying for food stamps the government is..
most lefties feel that all money in a country belongs to the government and that it is governments job to make sure that it is distributed in a compassionate way.
If you make more than someone else...well.. you are just extra evil and selfish and... of course...since you like to work.. getting up and doing it is nothing for you.
What you don't realize is that some people just don't like to work... they don't like getting up or putting up with a boss or breaking a sweat or taking extra classes at night to get ahead. Why should they be punished for a type of personality? shouldn't those who enjoy working pay the way for them?
lazs
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You folks still don't get it, do you?
Food stamps are a funnel. They funnel taxpayer money to businesses, not people. It's a subsidy.
Who gets the money? The people with the food stamps?
No. Grocers and the food industry get the money.
Who came up with the concept of food stamps? Politicians? The government?
No. The grocery and food industry came up with the idea.
Republicans denounce it to get votes, but still take money from lobbyists to vote to fund it. Democrats endorse it to get votes and take money from lobbyists to vote to fund it.
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Sorry y'all, especially to Karma & Ramzey. I went & deleted all of those previous posts. I'm terribly rude in the morning hours. Actually, I'm quite rude all day... but there's much less of a filter in the morning hours.
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accepted
please make large sign in a front of your PC
"I will not post anything without morning coffee"
:D :noid :t
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Originally posted by ramzey
accepted
"I will not post anything without morning coffee"
:D :noid :t
:) done ~ little post-it-note instead of large sign, but done.
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Originally posted by ramzey
accepted
please make large sign in a front of your PC
"I will not post anything without morning coffee"
:D :noid :t
I........
Resemble that remark :rolleyes:
:aok
68ROX
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I haven't seen any food stamp users in farmers branch rpm:D :lol
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
In a lot of areas, I've read that foodstamps are preferred to regular currency. There is a whole seperate market for them.
I wish they were more like WIC, with vouchers for certain products, rather than something like a substitute dollar bill.
The going rate around here is 60 cents on the dollar.
The party store owner pays 60 and then turns them in for 100, but hey he has to make a living too :)
shamus
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Please work in a grocery store before you offer too many opinion statements about the proper use of food stamps.
I've been there, and done that. RPM isn't exaggerating, and he's got a legitimate beef. The food stamp program is a joke, and should be run more like the WIC program. Commodities only. Any government hand-me-down program that dispenses goods with no strings attached is prone to corruption and abuse.
One of the worst types of abuse is the selling of food stamps for money which can be used to buy booze and drugs. I've been approached by perfectly healthy people who tried to sell them to me.
This is no way to run a railroad.
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Along the lines of Rolex's post...
Food stamps are part of the farm bill.
The 2007 Farm Bill passed with 19 Rep, 212 Dem voting for; 177 R, 14 D voting against.
The 2002 Farm Bill Passed with 141 Rep, 137 Dem voting for; 73 R, 68 D voting against.
Same pork, different year, different % composition voting for/against.
Get rid of them all :t
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Originally posted by Rolex
You folks still don't get it, do you?
Food stamps are a funnel. They funnel taxpayer money to businesses, not people. It's a subsidy.
Who gets the money? The people with the food stamps?
No. Grocers and the food industry get the money.
Who came up with the concept of food stamps? Politicians? The government?
No. The grocery and food industry came up with the idea.
Republicans denounce it to get votes, but still take money from lobbyists to vote to fund it. Democrats endorse it to get votes and take money from lobbyists to vote to fund it.
I think I would rather have the choice of funneling my income to the retail and bar-restaurant industry.
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Speaking of WIC, most stores have a list that says what is or isnt allowed for purchase
For example -
Milk one gallon
Peanut Butter
Cheese (bar)
Cereal
SUPPOSED to be the cheapest of the items unless otherwise noted. (The PB can be Jif instead of the cheapest where I was). Here they come up with the most expensive milk (sometimes chocolate), Kraft deluxe bar cheese thats about $5, and some cereal thats not even allowed (lucky charms, count chocula, etc)
I tell them that WIC doesnt allow these, that you have to get the pre determined items thats posted on paper all over the store (and on their wic card). They all have the same reply "Every one else lets me get them". Needless to say, I dont budge. I have to go personally exchange them for the items that they are allowed to get while they throw a fit about it. They either shut up and deal with it, or they get mad and leave. I didnt care, I wont let them abuse WIC while I am on duty.
And foodstamps.........Soda x 6, ice cream x 4, tater chips x 4, candy, candy, Tbones, ribs, most freakin expensive items there are to buy. You are supposed to make that money last the entire month, not blow it all at once on the most expensive food (junk food) there is and then cry and whine because you ran out of food and foodstamps halfway through the month.
There are many people that abuse the system like above, but there are some that really need it. I even was on it off and on a few years ago because we didnt make enough money and needed a little help. We got about half what other people get and we made that last the whole month. Others with the same amount of people and double the money blow it the first 2 weeks. Aldi's, Save a lot, cheap food stoes, etc, you can make it last.
And cash link, Now thats a crock. What do they do with it? They get the cash off of it, and then buy cigarettes. Thats supposed to help with the bills, clothes, children's items. But NO, those deadbeat scumbags buy cigarettes with it. I cant do a thing about it.
Pisses me off
But needless to say I got out the the retail. It was either work there full time and not go to college, or quit there and get me a degree in something. I was a manager so it was either one or the other. I quit there and went back to college.
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Meatwad, sounds like what I deal with daily, with one exception. In Texas WIC has gone from paper cards to smart cards. Each card has a chip embedded that keeps track of what is purchased and the items allowed. There is no keying in a generic price instead of scanning the item. No scan, no pay. Unapproved item, no pay. If it detects a fraudulent transaction it shuts off the card until they go back to the WIC office. This is exactly what food stamps needs to have, not a generic debit card that will accept whatever you key in.
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Thats pretty neat!
How effective is it?
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Whatever ya do in Texas, don't sell em beer
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55965
(http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/Xuya-Sian2.jpg)
This 27-year-old drunken driver was sentenced in August 2007 to 3 1/2 to 10 years in prison for striking another man with his SUV in April and nearly dragging him to death before leaving him beside the road. The victim, who was too physically disfigured to attend the trial, became lodged in the front left wheelwell of the SUV, and had his skin shredded as Xuya-Sian drove three-quarters of a mile before realizing he was there. Xuya-Sian, said the prosecutor, "stopped the car, got out and undoubtedly dislodged him from the car," then kept driving, crashing into a tree about two miles away.
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Originally posted by Meatwad
Thats pretty neat!
How effective is it?
Very effective. It has to be the exact item that WIC has loaded onto the card or no sale. I've already sent several back to the WIC office with dead cards. They tried to scam premium items at a different store and it got cut off untill they go in to explain why they weren't buying what they were suppossed to. :lol
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Thats what we need here! I very much doubt IL will get that type of technology, it makes too much sense.
Our governor is worthless, he dont want to upset the ones that voted him in
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Speakin of service connected disability ..
..you earned 'em, they're yours to keep ..forever.
I got out in 1986.
My brother told me to go talk to the VFW a couple years ago ..because if you've been in the Service, you really need to have a chat with these guys.
They sent me to the VA hospital, where I got the full physical exam.
Something that had happened under an F-4 long ago that I had long forgotten about came to light, and they gave me 20 percent disability for it.
It has *nothing* to do with how good you are, it has everything to do with you earning your scars while you were government property.
Being Vietnam era, frankly I resent the media.
WHERE THE **** WERE THEY WHEN MY FRIENDS AND I CAME HOME.
The hair stands up on the back of my neck when I overhear someone say 'I'm a Vet .. I served in Iraq'
..I get this desire to reply 'great, here's a frik-kin cookie, get over it kid.'
And that's the polite version.
My friends and I were told not to wear our uniforms downtown.
Here.
In Phoenix frik-kin Arizona.
When we came back from southeast asia.
So ya . . when I was told by the VA that I was awarded my disability,
I told the guy 'awarded hell.. I earned every stinkin dime of it.'
=Frank ..a lil 'wired' on that whole 'vet' and 'disability' thing.