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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Nimrod45 on September 10, 2007, 10:56:21 AM
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We need drop tanks for it.
It was capable of carrying two 80 Liter drop tanks, it was also capable of carrying six rockets though the rockets weren't used much. The LA is great for knocking AA down at a base and the rockets would give it a little extra.
The drop tanks would keep it in a fight longer so people would have less to complain about when it has to run away for lack of fuel.
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Please. The lala dweeb already know how to HO, ram, and run. Lets not give them rockets to shoot at us now.
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Originally posted by Latrobe
Please. The lala dweeb already know how to HO, ram, and run. Lets not give them rockets to shoot at us now.
And you know how to whine, cry, and sob.
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Originally posted by Nimrod45
The drop tanks would keep it in a fight longer so people would have less to complain about when it has to run away for lack of fuel.
One of my secret delights is to simply drag a LA-7 deeper and deeper into friendly territory in my Tempest. Just flying fast enought he can't catch up. Then I tune to CH200 so I won't miss any of his hysterical whines about my "weakness" after he runs out of fuel :D
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Originally posted by Nimrod45
And you know how to whine, cry, and sob.
I just never liked the La's. I'm sorry for posting that one post in here, not sure what came over me. You can stick anything you want on your lala's.
I'm still gonna shoot them down :D
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Originally posted by Lusche
One of my secret delights is to simply drag a LA-7 deeper and deeper into friendly territory in my Tempest. Just flying fast enought he can't catch up. Then I tune to CH200 so I won't miss any of his hysterical whines about my "weakness" after he runs out of fuel :D
Some people hate LAs, I hate Typhoons and Temps, they never ever hang around to fight, they swoop in and haul butt out. I love it when I can shoot one down but you gotta do it quick or they will run.
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Originally posted by Latrobe
I just never liked the La's. I'm sorry for posting that one post in here, not sure what came over me. You can stick anything you want on your lala's.
I'm still gonna shoot them down :D
That's great but if you get me it won't be in a HO, our planes aren't going to touch, and if I am runnin it is cause I am out of gas or shot up.
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I have no idea why people actually try to HO a typh, temp, jug, hurri, or la. all these planes have big guns. That's why when I see a ho comin, I dive under em. I have to say though, you are one of the few La pilots who can't be lumped in with the HOin, runnin la's. I'd love to take you on in the MA if I ever see you on.
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So how about it LA-5/7 fans, jump on the band wagon.
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Ok, add rockets and DTs... but then remove the 3rd 20mm cannon that saw maybe 2 weeks of service in the war.
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Originally posted by Latrobe
I have no idea why people actually try to HO a typh, temp, jug, hurri, or la. all these planes have big guns. That's why when I see a ho comin, I dive under em. I have to say though, you are one of the few La pilots who can't be lumped in with the HOin, runnin la's. I'd love to take you on in the MA if I ever see you on.
Alright finally someone who understands that a HO is optionally maneuvered away from, it seems like every body things that you are unavoidably locked in. I know you prefer the Spit 16, are you Rook or Bish. I fly the Knights.
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Originally posted by Raptor
Ok, add rockets and DTs... but then remove the 3rd 20mm cannon that saw maybe 2 weeks of service in the war.
Works for me, only 328 were made by the end. Just add the tanks and rockets. The third gun cuts down on fire time anyway. And the third held 130 not 150.
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Originally posted by Raptor
Ok, add rockets and DTs... but then remove the 3rd 20mm cannon that saw maybe 2 weeks of service in the war.
Agreed
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Originally posted by Nimrod45
I know you prefer the Spit 16, are you Rook or Bish. I fly the Knights.
Actually I prefer any spitfire, and I fly Rooks.
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Okay I will be huntin spits. LOL
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Originally posted by Nimrod45
:cry I can't vulch at a field for long enough.
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Originally posted by Nimrod45
Okay I will be huntin spits. LOL
:lol :noid
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I like flying the La5 and would love to see drops for it, rockets would be nice also but drops first.
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And while we are are adding drop tanks and rockets and removing the 3rd cannon let's add a perk price too
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Originally posted by SpikesX
You have seen me in the game or you are talking out your butt, INTERNET TOUGH GUY!
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Originally posted by Raptor
Ok, add rockets and DTs... but then remove the 3rd 20mm cannon that saw maybe 2 weeks of service in the war.
Whilst the 2 cannon variant was by far the most common the 3 cannon variant was being shipped to front lines by feb 45 and saw service uptill the end of the GPW in Europe in May and on into Manchuria until August. The B-20's however had short and unreliable service lives often having to be replaced every 2nd sortie.
The wing was originally designed to take rockets and did when it formed part of the Lagg3 but there is no record of rockets being installed upon an La5, La5F, La5FN or La7.
Equally there is a picture of a Lagg3 with a metal drop tanks mounted on the bomb shackles but again no record of this on subsequent Lavochkins.
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Originally posted by Nimrod45
Works for me, only 328 were made by the end. Just add the tanks and rockets. The third gun cuts down on fire time anyway. And the third held 130 not 150.
The bin capacity for the 3 x B20 was infact 170 rpg but the belt of 150 was more commonly used as the net weight was then the same as 2 x Shvak and 200 rpg.
There were a few La7's produced with 3 x shvak mounted cannon but these proved too heavy despite a reduction of ammo to 130 rpg.
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Originally posted by Tilt
The bin capacity for the 3 x B20 was infact 170 rpg but the belt of 150 was more commonly used as the net weight was then the same as 2 x Shvak and 200 rpg.
Were do you get your info on the ammo load out?
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Originally posted by Tilt
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Equally there is a picture of a Lagg3 with a metal drop tanks mounted on the bomb shackles but again no record of this on subsequent Lavochkins. [/B]
And if I can produce a pic of a LA with drop tanks hanging off the wing?
I am sure I have one but am at a remote work site so it will have to wait for a couple weeks.
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Originally posted by Nimrod45
We need drop tanks for it.
It was capable of carrying two 80 Liter drop tanks, it was also capable of carrying six rockets though the rockets weren't used much. The LA is great for knocking AA down at a base and the rockets would give it a little extra.
The drop tanks would keep it in a fight longer so people would have less to complain about when it has to run away for lack of fuel.
I'd love to see this, i probably wouldn't use the rockets but the DT's i would.
When my P47d-40 and P38J/L won't cut it, i turn to the LA. I don't HO, I don't ram and run, i get into decent fights, i don't like the quick easy kills, and for anyone complainin about gettin HO'd, it's an amazing manuver called a turn, climb, split s or barrel roll, learn em.
put a mix of a barrel roll and a split S and your on their 6...learn how to beat the stuff before you complain about em.
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Originally posted by Nimrod45
And if I can produce a pic of a LA with drop tanks hanging off the wing?
I am sure I have one but am at a remote work site so it will have to wait for a couple weeks.
I would be very interested in any picture you can produce showing drop tanks on the wings of any Lavochkin.
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Originally posted by Tilt
I would be very interested in any picture you can produce showing drop tanks on the wings of any Lavochkin.
When I get home I will look, I am sure I have one.
Where do you get your info on the ammo load out?
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Most authorative publication on the La7 I have read todate (other than original test reports) is by Milos Vestsik. A czech auther who has the benefit of Czech air force records dating back to the late 40's when they alone flew La5FN's and La7's (2 and 3 gun variants).
His publication on the La7 ISBN 80-902238-7-7 gives a warts and all analysis which is backed by the most authorative Bibliography I have seen todate and includes original construction notes from 45.
He has also written a very good book on the La5.
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Originally posted by Nimrod45
Some people hate LAs, I hate Typhoons and Temps, they never ever hang around to fight, they swoop in and haul butt out. I love it when I can shoot one down but you gotta do it quick or they will run.
you,ve never run into allison have you?
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Originally posted by Tilt
Most authorative publication on the La7 I have read todate (other than original test reports) is by Milos Vestsik. A czech auther who has the benefit of Czech air force records dating back to the late 40's when they alone flew La5FN's and La7's (2 and 3 gun variants).
His publication on the La7 ISBN 80-902238-7-7 gives a warts and all analysis which is backed by the most authorative Bibliography I have seen todate and includes original construction notes from 45.
He has also written a very good book on the La5.
I will check it out but all the data I have seen says 150 for two and 130 for the third
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Originally posted by Nimrod45
I will check it out but all the data I have seen says 150 for two and 130 for the third
yes there is a variation in the typical load outs stated over several publications
I have seen many references to typical load outs of 150 and I have two test reports where the ac was tested at 130 (as well as others at 150 rpg) for the 3 gun set.
I have also seen 170 rpg mentioned on the La7 2 gun variant (in fact nearly all the test data I have is at this rpg for 2 gun variants) as well as 200 rpg.
Vestik is the only reference that actually gives the bin capacity.
AH seems to be based very much on Stapfer ISBN 0-89747-392-2 La5/7 Fighters. Which also takes a lot of data from Czech sources and is unusually accurate for squadron/signal publications. (Infact I used to dismiss it as a comic but keep coming back and finding stuff to be accurate)
e.g it is the only publication that tells where spent shells are ejected on the 3 cannon variant (fuselage side!!) as there is clearly not space to eject via the normal two gun ejection tubes.
My view is that the bins could hold more than was typically taken...... ie 200 or 170 but that they were loaded to ensure proper feeding to the cannon with a mind to the same overall weight penalty.
e.g the combined weight of a pair of Shvaks plus 400 rounds was more than 3 x B20's plus 450 rounds
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It seems like it is overly difficult to get real reliable info or statistics on Russian aircraft.
But Yaks and LAs were definatly bad to the bone.
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Originally posted by Nimrod45
You have seen me in the game or you are talking out your butt, INTERNET TOUGH GUY!
I'd love to see you in game...I will be glad to when I re-make my account.
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Originally posted by Nimrod45
It seems like it is overly difficult to get real reliable info or statistics on Russian aircraft.
But Yaks and LAs were definatly bad to the bone.
You mean the la7s drastic over modeling isnt enough for you?
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Originally posted by evenhaim
You mean the la7s drastic over modeling isnt enough for you?
Yea, let me guess, P-51 stick.
They usually don't like LA-7s seein as how they are used to having the speed advantage.
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The LA-7 does seem over modeled but I have nothing to contend to the statement. But I do believe that it deserves a minor perk price just like the spit16.
Edit: As for drop tanks I see no need.
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Didn't know the Spit 16 was perked, and you must not fly it or you would feel the need for a little more go juice.
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What he ment was the La-7 and the spit 16 both need minor perk values. The spit 16 isn't perked yet. Also, don't pick on my spitfire :) .
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I rarely fly the LA, Spit...I'm always in a 234...
I do believe they need a low perk like the M4 has...
Thats all people do is up LAs and spixteens...
I most hate it when a LA7 catches my 234 going 500+.