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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Neubob on September 11, 2007, 09:17:33 AM
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Just thought I'd throw it out there...
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"Perhaps you all are wondering why I called you all here tonight...."
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"Thank you all for coming. Now, down to business. How many of you have heard of Amway?"
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Alright now lets take attendance. John?......
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15-love.
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Target Rich Enviroment
other wise known as a great furball
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repressed sexuality, their women wear burkas but their buildings look like boobies. :confused:
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All right Derkderkastan!!! You wanted the best? Well you got the best!!!! The hottest band in the world!!!!
KISS!!!!!!!!
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^ WILL NOT Be performing tonight, instead we give you.....
the wonderful music of
NOTHING!!!!!
Got ya!!!!
Hhahahahaha
YA'll cam eher for nothing!!!!
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"I called you hear tonight to talk about Mohammad. The topic of my speech is What Would Mohammad Do? Also known as WWMD."
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Tonight we die
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Ladies and Gentlemen I present to you the Future....
GROUND ZERO!
:aok
Mac
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"...where is Gen. Jack D. Ripper when we really need him?":D
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When will they ever get around to pulling the lid off of the ark? I wanna see if their faces melt.
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"has anyone seen my contact lens?"
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Hey where all the White women at?!?!?!?!
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Originally posted by eagl
When will they ever get around to pulling the lid off of the ark? I wanna see if their faces melt.
:rofl
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Should we drop the nuke now?
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imagine how bad the line for the bathroom is
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"Where's Waldo..."
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Alright! Who cut the cheese out there?
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Now the usher, with the machine guns, will pass among you with the collection plate. You WILL be generous, I assure you!
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Will the owner of the tan camel please report to the parking lot, you are parked in the fire lane.
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":confused: "
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And people wonder why our great nation was attacked on 9/11/01. Show some respect to people of other religions and cultures other than your own. Half of these comments make me sick. Oh and BTW that was taken on Hajj (as is shown in the photograph). Just wanted to clarify that before some ignorant fool claims that they were celebrating 9/11.
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I hope you get really sick.
I scrolled back through all the posts in this thread and seen nothing refering to 9/11 or the hajj.
So then Soviet you have no other recourse than to STFU.
Thank you.
Mac
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Originally posted by Soviet
And people wonder why our great nation was attacked on 9/11/01. Show some respect to people of other religions and cultures other than your own. Half of these comments make me sick. Oh and BTW that was taken on Hajj (as is shown in the photograph). Just wanted to clarify that before some ignorant fool claims that they were celebrating 9/11.
Blahahahaha! Pull that stick out of your arse, you may find a sense of humor on the end of it.
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Originally posted by Soviet
And people wonder why our great nation was attacked on 9/11/01. Show some respect to people of other religions and cultures other than your own. Half of these comments make me sick. Oh and BTW that was taken on Hajj (as is shown in the photograph). Just wanted to clarify that before some ignorant fool claims that they were celebrating 9/11.
I/we don't care. Just like those chode hijackers didn't care. I respect folks that respect me. I hope it makes you sick, it should make everyone sick. Everyone should be so sick of each other, that the thought of ramming civilian airliners into buildings, should be the furthest thing from your mind.
But, life sucks, wear a helmet.
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Originally posted by Soviet
And people wonder why our great nation was attacked on 9/11/01. Show some respect to people of other religions and cultures other than your own. Half of these comments make me sick. Oh and BTW that was taken on Hajj (as is shown in the photograph). Just wanted to clarify that before some ignorant fool claims that they were celebrating 9/11.
Moreover, we should apologize to them for causing them to martyr themselves against our phallic infidel structures. That'll make it all better.
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Originally posted by Soviet
And people wonder why our great nation was attacked on 9/11/01. Show some respect to people of other religions and cultures other than your own. Half of these comments make me sick. Oh and BTW that was taken on Hajj (as is shown in the photograph). Just wanted to clarify that before some ignorant fool claims that they were celebrating 9/11.
Beg pardon, but if half of these comments here make you sick, how in the hell have you survived this long in America? Talk about a weak stomach.
I thought people here used some restraint, and, quite frankly, had some pretty funny comments.
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W00t I thought the flame fest would start once he posted that. Perhaps Soviet is just having a bad day.
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Originally posted by nirvana
W00t I thought the flame fest would start once he posted that. Perhaps Soviet is just having a bad day.
I saw it just as I was getting ready to leave work and didnt have time to post. All I could think on the way was "wwoooo wwweee, get out the hot dogs, we're havin a bonfire" Marshmellow roast anyone? :lol
between this and the "You've been Lied to" thread, there should be all kinds of entertainment tonight :D
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I couldn't help myself. I just had to.
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Originally posted by Soviet
And people wonder why our great nation was attacked on 9/11/01. Show some respect to people of other religions and cultures other than your own. Half of these comments make me sick. .
A few light hearted jokes you have an issue with, but taking the stance that we some how deserved to be attacked you are ok with. "Makes you sick":rolleyes:
I have nothing more I can say at this point that wont get me moderated. I hope your stupiity wears off some day.
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Discovery of new humus flavor :p
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quote:Originally posted by Soviet
And people wonder why our great nation was attacked on 9/11/01. Show some respect to people of other religions and cultures other than your own. Half of these comments make me sick. Oh and BTW that was taken on Hajj (as is shown in the photograph). Just wanted to clarify that before some ignorant fool claims that they were celebrating 9/11.
Hey Soviet!
Yo' mama!
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Originally posted by Soviet
Show some respect to people of other religions and cultures other than your own.
Respect is a two way street.
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Originally posted by Tango
Respect is a two way street.
Yep.
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Boss I told you not to run that ad in Turban Weekly..... we are already short on virgins....
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And Soviet lives in New York?!? Bet some of his neighbors would love to know how he sticks up for the camel fuggers. Get out of my country commie.
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:rofl I expected backlash but this is just...wow.
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Originally posted by Soviet
And people wonder why our great nation was attacked on 9/11/01. Show some respect to people of other religions and cultures other than your own. Half of these comments make me sick. Oh and BTW that was taken on Hajj (as is shown in the photograph). Just wanted to clarify that before some ignorant fool claims that they were celebrating 9/11.
Yes, the world can't take a joke. That's what's so ****ing wrong with it.
-Sik
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The biggest engagement ring.
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Will the owner of the Black SUV License Number Deth2USA please turn off your lights.
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" Ok everyone welcome to the BOPS mission breifing..."
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Wow Soviet...lighten up..dont blow a gasket on us.
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LMAo,
were screwed.
The hatred of each other, is almost so common, its really a shame.
Was a nice planet.
Cheers
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"Wooo spring break.....take off your top!"
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15,000 lbs FAB Would be nice!
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Pilot to bomb\nav, the aircraft is on computer.
Roger, Release set to auto.
Enter arming sequence, weapon armed.
Set burst altitude at 2,000.
Tracking to auto.
Open doors.
Standing by for release.
Boom
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all you bases belong to us.
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How long is the lineup for the john?
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Originally posted by 4deck
Was a nice planet.
When was it nice? Before men walked upright?
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Wanted: 30,000 lithotropic lifeforms and gargantuan triple mammary for elaborate
practical joke. Can you help? Please call on 438-5678.
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No $|-|17 huh bob, look back at mankinds history.
holy wars, mass executions rape murder plunder.
and thats just before the 1200's
Dunno what section of this world he speak's of, but things are about the same.
And we REALY are like our enemy, we see a mass group and we think (most of us with honesty and humility) "bomb them to hell and back" when in reality they think the same thing every time we pack 20,000 people in a statium to watch a football/base ball game.
Realy makes you think, if you are capeable of such things.
As for the caption: Awww heck, i was told the U.N. droped more peanut butter and crackers to feed to our camels! (anyone else remember that?)
Gotta love american humor "WHAT..no milk!?"
:aok
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ok which cup is the bomb under umm i mean pea.
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And we REALY are like our enemy
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who the hell is this "WE" you speak of? If we were like them they would be dead already.
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Originally posted by Yeager
And we REALY are like our enemy
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who the hell is this "WE" you speak of? If we were like them they would be dead already.
Pretty much. I would really like to meet some of you "we are just as bad as them" folks in person one day.
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"Last year millions of competitors competed for the 72 virgins and severals managed to become martyres by getting trampled to death! We'll see can they beat the record this year!"
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Originally posted by BaDkaRmA158Th
snip.......No $|-|17 huh bob, look back at mankinds history.
holy wars, mass executions rape murder plunder.
and thats just before the 1200's
Dunno what section of this world he speak's of, but things are about the same.
And we REALY are like our enemy, end snip.....
This argument is brought up time and time again.
I think your full of so much crap your eyes are brown.
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"Where's the game? I thought the Broncos were playing!"
or...
"Damn they charge an arm and a leg for a beer at the concession stand!"
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Sorry if it was interpreted as me saying that we "deserved 9/11." I was not implying that at all. What I'm urging people to look at is the reason they attacked us in the first place. It doesn't make it justified at all but there was a reasoning for their attack and it wasn't because they "hate our freedoms." Our government has enacted so much legislation to restrict our freedoms these days all under the guise of safety that we're blind as to who has become more dangerous. 9/11 was a despicable attack against this United States and I do not think we deserved it or had it coming. However, we're playing right into Bin Laden's hands by occupying and invading more soverign nations in the world. Every nation we overthrow, every war we engage in, Bin Laden's numbers are bolstered. There was no Al-Qaeda threat in Iraq until we invaded.
What is it I want? Nothing much, just a return to our constitution, a document we've abused and forgotten recently. The document that liberated this nation from tyranny and made it the great nation that was once loved around the world for its freedom, now it's hated for its opression. Our government has taken away more of our freedoms and done more damage to our nation than Bin Laden or any terrorist scum could ever dream.
P.S. To all of you saying "Leave this country." I'm glad you say it and keep saying it. After all that's what this great country is all about, the freedom to disagree, the freedom to speak and express one's self, this is what I'm fighting to defend and this is what we stand to lose. I'm sorry you feel that way but I will continue to support your right to say or express yourself as Americans.
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Originally posted by Soviet
Sorry if it was interpreted as me saying that we "deserved 9/11." I was not implying that at all. What I'm urging people to look at is the reason they attacked us in the first place. It doesn't make it justified at all but there was a reasoning for their attack and it wasn't because they "hate our freedoms." Our government has enacted so much legislation to restrict our freedoms these days all under the guise of safety that we're blind as to who has become more dangerous. 9/11 was a despicable attack against this United States and I do not think we deserved it or had it coming. However, we're playing right into Bin Laden's hands by occupying and invading more soverign nations in the world. Every nation we overthrow, every war we engage in, Bin Laden's numbers are bolstered. There was no Al-Qaeda threat in Iraq until we invaded.
What is it I want? Nothing much, just a return to our constitution, a document we've abused and forgotten recently. The document that liberated this nation from tyranny and made it the great nation that was once loved around the world for its freedom, now it's hated for its opression. Our government has taken away more of our freedoms and done more damage to our nation than Bin Laden or any terrorist scum could ever dream.
P.S. To all of you saying "Leave this country." I'm glad you say it and keep saying it. After all that's what this great country is all about, the freedom to disagree, the freedom to speak and express one's self, this is what I'm fighting to defend and this is what we stand to lose. I'm sorry you feel that way but I will continue to support your right to say or express yourself as Americans.
OH BOY!?!?! Who is taking the first shot on this one?!?!:t
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If a UAV sprayed them with anthrax they would get sick and die, thinking God was punishing them for their wicked ways.
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Originally posted by Soviet
Sorry if it was interpreted as me saying that we "deserved 9/11." I was not implying that at all. What I'm urging people to look at is the reason they attacked us in the first place. It doesn't make it justified at all but there was a reasoning for their attack and it wasn't because they "hate our freedoms." Our government has enacted so much legislation to restrict our freedoms these days all under the guise of safety that we're blind as to who has become more dangerous. 9/11 was a despicable attack against this United States and I do not think we deserved it or had it coming. However, we're playing right into Bin Laden's hands by occupying and invading more soverign nations in the world. Every nation we overthrow, every war we engage in, Bin Laden's numbers are bolstered. There was no Al-Qaeda threat in Iraq until we invaded.
What is it I want? Nothing much, just a return to our constitution, a document we've abused and forgotten recently. The document that liberated this nation from tyranny and made it the great nation that was once loved around the world for its freedom, now it's hated for its opression. Our government has taken away more of our freedoms and done more damage to our nation than Bin Laden or any terrorist scum could ever dream.
P.S. To all of you saying "Leave this country." I'm glad you say it and keep saying it. After all that's what this great country is all about, the freedom to disagree, the freedom to speak and express one's self, this is what I'm fighting to defend and this is what we stand to lose. I'm sorry you feel that way but I will continue to support your right to say or express yourself as Americans.
Nuke Islam.
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Originally posted by Neubob
Nuke Islam.
This won't end well.
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Russian you clueless dolt soddom was clearly open about cash he sent to suicide bombers.....
and much more....
If you choose not read or accept that..fine If you believe he was not participating in attacks against western interests..fine
We should CRUSH/Kill/decapitate any terrorists supporting state
AND..If those muslins dont stand up and be heard fighting against these moo- slim fascists..then they are ENABLERS...I GUARENTEEE they aren't on the PA system in this picture saying" Dont kill the infidels"!!
You sound like the same type that says..Nuking japan was wrong..carpet bombing was wrong
We are playing into his hands?....Sure we are..then right over his hands on on to his Head to dance on his crushed skull...
He has made the mistake that we would run after a few bloody battles like what he has seen in his short pathetic history...
Mogadishu-Somalia-Vietnam..(somehwhat)..I guess he did not read anything about World War 2
There will be a problem when folks like You and the Liberal Left Wing Linguine spine democrats run like children...Or..the Pork Fed republicans only want to make money off the blood of our men...
WE NEED MORE PATTON!!! AND LESS PATENT LEATHER
GO FULL f Ding Force with this crap and stop screwing around...world image?....Please Id rather have an image of Non Bending strength ..then rosie Odaonnal-Move On Code Pink Rainbow flags and the rest of the scum
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Originally posted by BiGBMAW
Russian you clueless dolt soddom was clearly open about cash he sent to suicide bombers.....
and much more....
If you choose not read or accept that..fine If you believe he was not participating in attacks against western interests..fine
We should CRUSH/Kill/decapitate any terrorists supporting state
AND..If those muslins dont stand up and be heard fighting against these moo- slim fascists..then they are ENABLERS...I GUARENTEEE they aren't on the PA system in this picture saying" Dont kill the infidels"!!
You sound like the same type that says..Nuking japan was wrong..carpet bombing was wrong
We are playing into his hands?....Sure we are..then right over his hands on on to his Head to dance on his crushed skull...
He has made the mistake that we would run after a few bloody battles like what he has seen in his short pathetic history...
Mogadishu-Somalia-Vietnam..(somehwhat)..I guess he did not read anything about World War 2
There will be a problem when folks like You and the Liberal Left Wing Linguine spine democrats run like children...Or..the Pork Fed republicans only want to make money off the blood of our men...
WE NEED MORE PATTON!!! AND LESS PATENT LEATHER
GO FULL f Ding Force with this crap and stop screwing around...world image?....Please Id rather have an image of Non Bending strength ..then rosie Odaonnal-Move On Code Pink Rainbow flags and the rest of the scum
Violence begets violence
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Furthermore, I would not call it our image but I would call it our principles. How is it we can be taken seriously as a nation, that we can be respected, if we don't stick by our principles. The greatest thing a government can do is ensure the free flow of liberties to the people, when a government restricts that and the people stand for it, it sends a terrible message to the rest of the world that autocracy and even tyranny can prevail. Perhaps if we, the people, demanded change to unconstitutional laws and acts that restrict our civil liberties the people of Iraq would have taken note and got rid of Saddam on their own. We claim to have the moral high ground meanwhile we have a government far larger and with more power than our founding fathers originally intended. This problem has been here for years, it didn't come on September 11th.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
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I was thinking the same thing. The only thing missing are the lighters waving back and forth, and head banging.
Rock on!
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Originally posted by Soviet
Violence begets violence
Only if you fail to completely annihilate your enemy.
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This is really a monumental photograph. It doesn't bring a glib statement to my mind. I know the temptation is to rip one off... but I can't.
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Originally posted by Neubob
Only if you fail to completely annihilate your enemy.
And what is the "enemy," apparently to some today it's anyone who they perceive as a threat to the United States. When you have a "War on Terror" anyone can be labeled as a terrorist. It's time we stop using fear mongering against our own people. Since when are we a nation of preemptive war, our founding fathers instructed us not to meddle in foreign affairs, to engage in commerce with nations but not to forge any alliances. Yet today we have become the police force of the world. It's a vicious cycle with no end. We intervene somewhere in the world politically and militarily, certain individuals become enraged at our presence over there, that we are meddling in their affairs. As a result of this it causes certain individuals with radical viewpoints to become empowered as they're a voice of dissent against the United States who is occupying their land (again either militarily or politically).
Let's face it, before we started getting involved in other nations affairs no one was blowing up our buildings. Don't like the truth? Tough. This is the reality we are faced with today. I believe that anyone who did 9/11 or anyone who has ever commited an attack against an American or America should be held accountable, as by attacking Americans they are depriving them of liberty. Bin Laden need to be held accountable for what he did on that day, but Bin Laden is not in Iraq. You don't bring a man to justice by launching a ground war.
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Again I'm not saying that the terrorists are justified, by no means am I saying that. What I am saying is we need to prevent ourselves from making the same mistake twice, and by invading sovereign nations, having a military presence all over the world, and by interfering with the politics of sovereign nations we have generated a lot of hate for our nation. This doesn't mean terrorists are justified in their acts of violence against a nation for what it's done, obviously those who perpetuate violence against a nation and its people are truly evil people, there is no justification for it.
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Hey Soviet, what the hell makes YOU the expert on Bin Ladin, or Islam, or anything else for that matter. You write like you're typing from a pamphlet handed out a Party meeting or a collage campus.
Say you about to be murdered by a thug (just to take what you have or merely see the muscles in your face go slack), would you honestly meditate on the matter and decide that, while killing you is an atrocious act, you can understand and appreciate how your murder would seem like the right thing to do, from the thug's point of view.
BS!
I have to go puke now.
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The enemy is the terrorist, the terrorist's family, friends and supporters--both fanatical and conservative--both active and passive.
The enemy is the family man at the head of the dinner table that nods silently and with satisfaction whenever he watches the evening news broadcast imagines of another American body being wheeled onto a plane.
The enemy is not just Bin Laden and his cohorts. Al-Queda is just the tip of the pyramid, and, if anything, just an opportunist taking advantage of a situation. The enemy is the base of the pyramid which creates all the emotional and spiritual support for every action perpetrated against Western Society on behalf of Allah.
But there is a bigger enemy too. An enemy much closer to home.
This enemy is in the grass roots. It is the new policy of treating those that want to kill you by pleasing and appeasing them, and apologizing for your own lack of understanding of their 'culture'.
**** their culture. They are the enemy.
The real enemy, I should say, is this new ideology that dictates that we, as the moral compass, can teach the murderers of our citizens to live and let live by example.
The point has been made, repeatedly, that our enemies, in the past, have been neutered and neutralized whenever we've shown the will to kill every last one. The fact that we have the means is clear.
The biggest enemy, simply put, is the belief that in a time of war, we can substitute good will for the will to achieve victory.
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russ....
You want to hide under a rock and say..I see noshing!!!
I guess we were totally wrong to be involved during WW2? in your view
If you belive we were..then everyone shoudl stop bothering to talk to you..since you have no idea how the world works,,and the nature of mankind
and there has been stated here a few times who USa's and westerns enemy is..If you dont understand it..then again..HT's line of clueless dolt..fits you perfectly
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btw your a sympathizer and should be turned into the authoratah's
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this thread is cool :cool:
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WW2 does not go back far enough. Since Soviet was so kind as to bring up our founders wishes of non-interference... Lets jump back to 1801.
The First Barbary War
Algiers, Tunis, and Tripoli, although nominally governed by the Islamic Ottoman Empire, had been largely independent Muslim states since the 17th century. The monarchy of Morocco, which had been under its current government since 1666, was well known by the time of the Barbary Wars for supporting piracy.
Britain and France had come to uneasy ententes with the pirates; a combination of military might, diplomacy, and extorted payments had kept ships flying the Union Flag or French flag more or less safe from attack. As British colonists before 1776, American merchant vessels had enjoyed the protection of the Royal Navy. During the American Revolution, American ships came under the aegis of France due to a 1778 Treaty of Alliance between the two countries.
However, by 1783 America became solely responsible for the safety of its own commerce and citizens with the end of the Revolution. Without the means or the authority to field a naval force necessary to protect their ships in the Mediterranean, the nascent U.S. government took a pragmatic, but ultimately self-destructive route. In 1784, the United States Congress allocated money for payment of tribute to the pirates.
Use for the money came in 1785, when the Dey of Algiers took two American ships hostage and demanded US$60,000 in ransom for their crews. Then-ambassador to France Thomas Jefferson argued that conceding the ransom would only encourage more attacks ("Millions For Defense, Not One Cent For Tribute"). His objections fell on the deaf ears of an inexperienced American government too riven with domestic discord to make a strong show of force overseas. The U.S. paid Algiers the ransom, and continued to pay up to $1 million per year over the next 15 years for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. Payments in ransom and tribute to the privateering states amounted to 20 percent of United States government annual revenues in 1800.
Jefferson continued to argue for cessation of the tribute, with rising support from George Washington and others. With the recommissioning of the American navy in 1794 and the resulting increased firepower on the seas, it became more and more possible for America to say "no", although by now the long-standing habit of tribute was hard to overturn.
In 1786 Jefferson and John Adams went to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman or (Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). They asked him by what right he extorted money and took slaves. Jefferson reported to Secretary of State John Jay, and to the Congress:
The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet (Mohammed), that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman (or Muslim) who should be slain in battle was sure to go to heaven.
oh, and screw Islam.
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Originally posted by Druss
Hey Soviet, what the hell makes YOU the expert on Bin Ladin, or Islam, or anything else for that matter. You write like you're typing from a pamphlet handed out a Party meeting or a collage campus.
Say you about to be murdered by a thug (just to take what you have or merely see the muscles in your face go slack), would you honestly meditate on the matter and decide that, while killing you is an atrocious act, you can understand and appreciate how your murder would seem like the right thing to do, from the thug's point of view.
BS!
I have to go puke now.
I think you're mistaken because I never said we shouldn't go after Bin Laden. What I am saying is that he needs to be punished for what he did to the United States. It's simple, if you do something you need to be held responsible, this is something I'm sure we can all agree on. What I'm saying though is that we can fight terrorism without ceding ANY of our civil liberties or without ground wars against countries when it's an individiual and his followers that caused the attacks on 9/11. Why do we have to give one single ounce of our freedoms away to attack this threat? Benjamin Franklin once said that "He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security." If we lose our civil liberties we lose everything it is to be an American and everything my great grandparents came to this nation for. That's my point here. So please understand I am not advocating pacifism, I believe in a strong national DEFENSE not OFFENSE.
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I never stated I was an expert on Bin Laden, but that doesn't disqualify me from having an opinion and stating what I think about it. After all that's the point of free speech so that we can debate with one another without having to be afraid to state our opinion.
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Allah Akbar?
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best defense is a strong offense
so russian you want to wait to get attacked? I guess you are more of the pantent leather..then the General Patton
code pink has a new member
I recommend you go to the mid east...and just "talk"..Im sure they will want to listen.
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Originally posted by BiGBMAW
best defense is a strong offense
so russian you want to wait to get attacked? I guess you are more of the pantent leather..then the General Patton
code pink has a new member
I recommend you go to the mid east...and just "talk"..Im sure they will want to listen.
Again, who are we going after? By invading Iraq all we did was create more terrorism and more terrorists. It was counter-productive. Saddam hated Islamic fundamentalists because most Islamic fundamentalists HATED Saddam. The issue here is that we're going after the wrong people. We need to go after Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda, not soverign nations. These terrorist groups are outside any government. Engaging in preemptive war against nations has NOTHING to do with the war on terror.
Most importantly we as the American people should never cede one ounce of our civil liberties to the government for defense, never, it's unconstitutional and it's un-American.
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Originally posted by BiGBMAW
best defense is a strong offense
Boot to the head!... :lol
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so few have learned so much tai kwan leap in so little time.
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Yes, Soviet, giving up civil liberties sucks, and I am not, nor was ever a big fan of Bush...
However, who said that keeping our civil liberties and waging total war against every last apologist(anyone who thinks that understanding their culture is more important than caving in their skull) and anti-Western Muslim out there were mutually exclusive?
Keep the civil liberties. Just keep the Minutemen fueled and the B2s airborne while you're at it.
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Originally posted by Neubob
Yes, Soviet, giving up civil liberties sucks, and I am not, nor was ever a big fan of Bush...
However, who said that keeping our civil liberties and waging total war against every last apologist(anyone who thinks that understanding their culture is more important than caving in their skull) and anti-Western Muslim out there were mutually exclusive?
Keep the civil liberties. Just keep the Minutemen fueled and the B2s airborne while you're at it.
Have you ever read the patriot act or the executive orders? I think you should. Things aren't as free as they once were and that's a fact.
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Like I said, I am not a fan of this administration. I never was. The policies in put in place during his tenure are not the smartest in my opinion.
The gist of my post is that regardless of this administration's mistakes, treating adversarial Islamists with anything but a swift and unconditional ax-blow to the neck is itself suicide.
Taking time to appreciate their culture as they plot is suicide.
Talking of respect and embracing this 'religion of peace' while their religious leaders preach death to the west is suicide.
Disliking Bush, and wishing for the enemy's eradication are not mutually exclusive.
As for the culture of Islam... Yeah, I'd love to respect and learn about it. Only I prefer to do it while I'm still alive. If they all have to die for me to live, I'm sure there will be no shortage of books about how nice and fluffy a religion it was.
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Originally posted by Neubob
Like I said, I am not a fan of this administration. I never was. The policies in put in place during his tenure are not the smartest in my opinion.
The gist of my post is that regardless of this administration's mistakes, treating adversarial Islamists with anything but a swift and unconditional ax-blow to the neck is itself suicide.
Taking time to appreciate their culture as they plot is suicide.
Talking of respect and embracing this 'religion of peace' while their religious leaders preach death to the west is suicide.
Disliking Bush, and wishing for the enemy's eradication are not mutually exclusive.
Then I can agree with you. I believe that we need to respond swiftly to terrorism but in the proper way. I believe we should go after those responsible for attacks.
When it comes to their culture and religion I am not saying embrace or appreciate it but understand it. It is important to know someone's culture so you're not insensitive to them and do something to upset them. I'm not saying that we need to follow their culture and risk our safety by being 'politically correct'. What I mean can best be summarized by an example I experienced. I used to be a real estate agent when i was putting myself through college. New York is a very diverse place and when dealing with clients I had to be sensitive to what kinds of things might upset my client. I had a few Muslim clients who were very nice down to earth people. One of my clients, his wife wore a hijaab, or covering, over her hair, a lot of women of the Muslim faith do not believe in touching another man but their husband for any reason, so when i met them I would not shake her hand but would shake her husbands hand. Did I find this strange? Yeah a bit, but it is their culture and I respected it, it didn't mean I was going to embrace it and by no means did I put myself in any danger by doing so. They even invited me over for dinner once, changed my opinion on Indian food ;)
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Originally posted by JB88
so few have learned so much tai kwan leap in so little time.
Tae-Kwon-Leep is not a path to a door, but a road leading forever towards the horizon
let us rejoin the mind to the body, and gaze into the heart of the candle in meditation.
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Well Im of the type who believe when you come to live in the US you should try to "melt in" to society. Become American. Customs of your previous country, and your religions should not be a factor. Either change, or stay home. Some groups do better at it than others.
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Originally posted by Soviet
Have you ever read the patriot act or the executive orders? I think you should. Things aren't as free as they once were and that's a fact.
why do we have a "patriot act"? Could it be because the you know who want us to convert or die?
if the idiotslamists did not attack us there would be no "patriot act". Put the blame where it lies.
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Originally posted by Soviet
Our government has enacted so much legislation to restrict our freedoms these days all under the guise of safety that we're blind as to who has become more dangerous.
What freedoms have we lost? I'm able to do what I want, when I want, whereever I want as I always have before 9/11.
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russian..since you can NEVER ANSWER QUESTIONS..
one more..
Name one thing the gov has stopped you from doing? since 9-11...what "rights" do you not have anymore?
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btw..Kill all the who oppose USA...we really need to wack Saudi Arabia...hard
Crush them..take the oil/...and the other commie reds too
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All I hear about is how we as Americans have lost some of our freedom, but yet when I look at the world and compare us to them, we still have the most freedom. America is still 'Land of the Free' and all these people that hate us, are people who have been taught to hate freedom, Americans, Western Culture, and Demacracy.
I'm glad we are taking this war over seas, because if we hadn't, it would be in my backyard today. Ever since 9/11, I think our nation has been more safe than it has any other time in history. We haven't had a terroist attack in 6 years and we have arrested dozens of terroists in our own backyard and hundreds world wide. IMO without this war, without our American blood shed for freedom, we would have had more 9/11s. I'm not saying we are 100% safe, but we are safer than we have been in the past.
If we hadn't gone to Afganistan or Iraq I think that we would have lost more freedom than in anytime of our history, because the terroists would be in our streets, in our homes, and in our mind 24/7, 365 days a year. Think about it.
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Originally posted by BiGBMAW
russian..since you can NEVER ANSWER QUESTIONS..
one more..
Name one thing the gov has stopped you from doing? since 9-11...what "rights" do you not have anymore?
Try the suspension of habeas corpus. The ability of the President to implement martial law at his own discretion. The ability to declare anyone, domestic or foreign as an enemy combatant and deny them habeas corpus. Illegal wire tapping, looking into citizens library records etc... All of these are far overreaching and powers the federal government was never meant to have and powers that no government in a "free nation" should ever have. It's funny that it's named the Patriot act, perhaps because it's such a rape of our constitution that they needed to name it something that would make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Like you're not a real hard core red blooded American unless you support it. Well there is nothing patriotic about it. Just because it doesn't affect you, or because you think it hasn't affected you doesn't mean that it should exist. Our constitution is a sacred document and something that hasn't been respected recently. Even President Bush, showing his disrespect for our constitution has stated that he believes it's "Just a piece of paper." The real patriots are those who support this document, not those who abandon it in fear.
Many times in history have Presidents taken away civil liberties in time of war but never before has the sacred right of habeas corpus been taken away and nullified in such a way.
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terrorists don't like the Patriot act, it makes their work more difficult.
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it say"non-citizen"......:p
oh, Lincoln suspended habeas corpus in the civil war.
note* also see"H.R. 1416, The Habeas Corpus Restoration Act of 2007"
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yes...you......You maroon....
I asked..what has it done to YOU!!!!!!!!!
oh yaa...you cant name anything..but since you are sent out with your orders from haters of America...You spew what gets "told" to you.....No personal experience..But its what you "heard"...
pinko..red diaper doper babies..I also read that soviets got there nuts handed to them in the 80s by some guys in caves?