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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Spikes on September 11, 2007, 06:57:24 PM
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:O
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3014677
:eek:
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It's tough being at the top.
They so fear the Pats they resort to these accusations. :)
GO PATS!!
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No wonder they won those Super Bowls.
I figured they had to cheat. Normally it takes talent to win, not with New England!
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Here's my take that nobody cares about:
New England Cheated. Whatever. Punish them. Take draft picks.
It's a stupid rule. Scouting and inteligence collecting should be intregal to football, not illegal.
It should be legal, and everyone should have to learn to deal with it. ****, if New England wants to launch and task satilites to pick up opposing team's QB helmet transmissions, let them.
But since it's not legal yet, **** em. The Mass holes can keep whining about respect while they watch the 3rd round of the draft pass them by.
I'm just glad that Justin Rogers managed to get signed by the 'Boys lol.
-Sik
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Originally posted by TalonX
It's tough being at the top.
The Pats so fear losing they resort to these actions. :)
GO PATS!!
Fixed
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Originally posted by Sikboy
Here's my take that nobody cares about:
New England Cheated. Whatever. Punish them. Take draft picks.
It's a stupid rule. Scouting and inteligence collecting should be intregal to football, not illegal.
It should be legal...
But since it's not legal yet, **** em.
-Sik
:aok
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Originally posted by Swager
No wonder they won those Super Bowls.
I figured they had to cheat. Normally it takes talent to win, not with New England!
Typical Jet/Giant fan, who can't recognize talent if it was infont of his nose...Don't worry....Eli will come around.....suuuuuuuuure
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Who cares if they cheat, the Steelers are going to beat everyone anyways.
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Originally posted by C(Sea)Bass
Who cares if they cheat, the Steelers are going to beat everyone anyways.
:rofl
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It sucks that they got caught, but don't tell me they're the first team to do this. Whatever you can do to get an edge in a league with so much parity.
Either way, the Jets stunk on Sunday. I doubt the guy videotaping had anything to do with the Brady/Moss domination.
Maybe next week after the Pats smoke San Diego there will be some other excuse. I'm sure LT has a whole book of them ready.
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It sucks that they got caught
Oh that's a wonderful way to look at it, you going to teach your children those kind of values too?
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Originally posted by TalonX
It's tough being at the top.
What do the Colts have to do with this?
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Originally posted by VWE
Oh that's a wonderful way to look at it, you going to teach your children those kind of values too?
Yes, I would. If an offensive lineman is holding you, and the ref isn't seeing or calling it, knee the guy in the nuts, he'll let you go.
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Yes, 2 wrongs always make a right... good job there buckaroo!
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Originally posted by C(Sea)Bass
Who cares if they cheat, if the Steelers get the refs on their payroll again, they are going to beat everyone anyways.
Fixed! :aok
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Hey those refs weren't on the payroll.
It was done under the table, to avoid taxes.
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Originally posted by C(Sea)Bass
Hey those refs weren't on the payroll.
It was done under the table, to avoid taxes.
:rofl
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lol, I love how they call it cheating, that's rich
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Hmmm, if it's specificly prohibited in the rules then it's cheating. I'd love to hear all the Pat's fans that are defending them if it was Indy that was caught.
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Originally posted by rpm
Hmmm, if it's specificly prohibited in the rules then it's cheating. I'd love to hear all the Pat's fans that are defending them if it was Indy that was caught.
So, if you get called for a personal foul, you are cheating?
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Originally posted by Sixpence
So, if you get called for a personal foul, you are cheating?
basically yes, and that is why you are penalized for it.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
So, if you get called for a personal foul, you are cheating?
Well, duh.
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If everyone realized the NFL was fixed, then nobody would care.
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Originally posted by VWE
Yes, 2 wrongs always make a right... good job there buckaroo!
No, two wrongs make it even.
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Originally posted by C(Sea)Bass
basically yes, and that is why you are penalized for it.
How is cussing a ref cheating?
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Originally posted by Sixpence
How is cussing a ref cheating?
Why on earth has this devolved into this question? Talk about lowering the burden. Sheesh.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Sikboy
Why on earth has this devolved into this question? Talk about lowering the burden. Sheesh.
-Sik
Is that an answer or a dance?
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It's neither an answer nor a dance. It's a belief that your question is not germane to the conversation and instead designed to detract from the actual issue.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Sikboy
It's neither an answer nor a dance. It's a belief that your question is not germane to the conversation and instead designed to detract from the actual issue.
-Sik
Why isn't it? It was called cheating, how is it cheating?
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Why isn't it? It was called cheating, how is it cheating?
Hay Sixpence, go sox!
I guess we could say it's a "rules violation".
I'm beginning to think nothing will come of this, once it becomes know how prolific this "type" of thing is in the NFL.
I read that Miami, purchased the TV audio of a PAT's game so they could listen to Brady's calls, an hence get an “edge” on his cadence and check downs, they went on to kick the Pat's Arse the next game. Cheating? Ya probable or at least a “rules violation”
Like a flagrant foul in the NBA.
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Originally posted by JBA
Hay Sixpence, go sox!
I guess we could say it's a "rules violation".
I'm beginning to think nothing will come of this, once it becomes know how prolific this "type" of thing is in the NFL.
I read that Miami, purchased the TV audio of a PAT's game so they could listen to Brady's calls, an hence get an “edge” on his cadence and check downs, they went on to kick the Pat's Arse the next game. Cheating? Ya probable or at least a “rules violation”
Like a flagrant foul in the NBA.
from what i read when that happened there is no rule against purchasing audio, but it's just on e of those things that is just not done, sort of a gentlemen's agreement. There are, however, rules against what the pats were doing.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Why isn't it? It was called cheating, how is it cheating?
The question of whether or not personal fouls are cheating or not (to include blowing up on the refs) is not germane to the question of whether or not signal taping is cheating. It's simply a question designed to lower the standard of what is or isn't cheating. Talk about dancing lol.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Swager
No wonder they won those Super Bowls.
I figured they had to cheat. Normally it takes talent to win, not with New England!
:confused:
So thats how they beat the Eagles in the Super Bowl!! I just thought it was Donovan McNabb being a pansy, and T.O. being......, well T.O.
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Originally posted by VonMessa
:confused:
So thats how they beat the Eagles in the Super Bowl!! I just thought it was Donovan McNabb being a pansy, and T.O. being......, well T.O.
its not even that, its just te iggles suck
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Bare in mind who sites on the NFL Competition committee
Other members of the committee include as of 2006
Atlanta GM Rich McKay,
Tennessee coach Jeff Fisher,
Cincinnati coach Marvin Lewis,
New York Giants co-owner John Mara,
Baltimore GM Ozzie Newsome,
Carolina president Mark Richardson.
Indianapolis president Bill Polian if you don't think he's going to go after the PATS on this one. I'll bet you dollars to dounuts.
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Originally posted by JBA
Hay Sixpence, go sox!
I guess we could say it's a "rules violation".
I'm beginning to think nothing will come of this, once it becomes know how prolific this "type" of thing is in the NFL.
I read that Miami, purchased the TV audio of a PAT's game so they could listen to Brady's calls, an hence get an “edge” on his cadence and check downs, they went on to kick the Pat's Arse the next game. Cheating? Ya probable or at least a “rules violation”
Like a flagrant foul in the NBA.
This is going to expose the rules the NFL has put in place to give the offense an unfair advantage.
Rules allow for the QB and coaches to communicate via wireless in the QB's helmet, but the defense cannot. The defense must use signals. Why would they do this? To give the offense an advantage. The rules are setup so the offense can see what the defense is doing and relay that to the QB.
How do you steal a signal that is being done in front of seventy thousand people? The defense has three people sending in signals, two are decoys, and they switch during the game so you can't pick up on who the decoys are. Why? Because they know they are being watched and filmed.
Every team has a person(s) filming the other teams defensive signals. The Pats got caught because Mangini knew who did it for them and set them up to be caught long before the game started.
For the past two years, a rule to let the defensive captain have a wireless in his helmet like the QB has been defeated because offensive coaches have the votes to defeat the rule, they want that unfair advantage. They want to be able to figure out the defensive signals and get them to their QB.
If the defense were allowed to communicate via wireless like the offense, there would be no need for signals, and the offense would lose their unfair advantage to 'cheat'
Bill Belichick is a smart man, and everything he does is calculated. Any bets that the rule to allow the defense to communicate via wireless gets passed next year?
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Originally posted by C(Sea)Bass
its not even that, its just te iggles suck
Hey!!!
Only we natives are allowed to say that. :O
:cry :rofl :cry
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Originally posted by JBA
Bare in mind who sites on the NFL Competition committee
Other members of the committee include as of 2006
Atlanta GM Rich McKay,
Tennessee coach Jeff Fisher,
Cincinnati coach Marvin Lewis,
New York Giants co-owner John Mara,
Baltimore GM Ozzie Newsome,
Carolina president Mark Richardson.
Indianapolis president Bill Polian if you don't think he's going to go after the PATS on this one. I'll bet you dollars to dounuts.
Marvin Lewis may have an issue.The Pats may have been interfering with opposing teams communications as well.
Patriots bring cheating in the NFL into modern era (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/dr_z/09/13/cheating/index.html?eref=T1)
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Rules allow for the QB and coaches to communicate via wireless in the QB's helmet, but the defense cannot. The defense must use signals. Why would they do this? To give the offense an advantage. The rules are setup so the offense can see what the defense is doing and relay that to the QB.
Actually you're not quite correct. The reason it was voted down is because there isn't a person on defense that is on the field for every snap. When wired guy is out, you're back to hand signals. They also raised the contact issue. Having wires and crap in your helmet isn't always a good thing when you're ramming it into someone's gut.
Every team has a person(s) filming the other teams defensive signals. The Pats got caught because Mangini knew who did it for them and set them up to be caught long before the game started.
Still not quite right. This isn't the first time the Pats have been caught. Mangini may have alerted them on Sunday, but what about the other games? Specifically Green Bay where the same man was kicked off the sidelines?
The Pats have been under suspicion of this kind of crap for a long time. Including a playoff game against my Titans where their kicking ball was warmed up to make a long field goal at the end. Up until that point nobody had kicked over 30 yards. What goes around comes around. Enjoy the black eye Pats.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Bill Belichick is a smart man, and everything he does is calculated. Any bets that the rule to allow the defense to communicate via wireless gets passed next year?
I wonder if he calculated that $500,000 fine for his 2007 taxes :lol
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3018338
-Sik
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Originally posted by Cougar68
Actually you're not quite correct. The reason it was voted down is because there isn't a person on defense that is on the field for every snap. When wired guy is out, you're back to hand signals. They also raised the contact issue. Having wires and crap in your helmet isn't always a good thing when you're ramming it into someone's gut.
What source did you get that from? A CB is on the field at all times. Who said it was voted down for that? Or did you come up with that on your own?
Still not quite right. This isn't the first time the Pats have been caught. Mangini may have alerted them on Sunday, but what about the other games? Specifically Green Bay where the same man was kicked off the sidelines?
who said he was caught? he wasn't caught. Again, source?
The Pats have been under suspicion of this kind of crap for a long time. Including a playoff game against my Titans where their kicking ball was warmed up to make a long field goal at the end. Up until that point nobody had kicked over 30 yards. What goes around comes around. Enjoy the black eye Pats.
:noid
Let me take a quote from Mike Shanahan from an old SI interview "we usually have the defensive signals figured out by halftime, sometimes by the end of the first quarter"
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Originally posted by Sikboy
I wonder if he calculated that $500,000 fine for his 2007 taxes :lol
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3018338
-Sik
I am sure Mr. Kraft has that figured out already
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who said he was caught? he wasn't caught. Again, source?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3012989
What source did you get that from? A CB is on the field at all times. Who said it was voted down for that? Or did you come up with that on your own?
The NFL channel has the head of officiating on every week to review controversial calls on the field. They talked about the Pats deal and in the interview he mentioned the vote. He said that was the reason it was voted down. While a CB may be on the field for every defensive play, it's not the same guy every down. The vote was for one particular player, not the particular position.
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Originally posted by Cougar68
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3012989
The NFL channel has the head of officiating on every week to review controversial calls on the field. They talked about the Pats deal and in the interview he mentioned the vote. He said that was the reason it was voted down. While a CB may be on the field for every defensive play, it's not the same guy every down. The vote was for one particular player, not the particular position.
Where in that link does it say he was caught videotaping coaches?
Chris Mortensen is reporting the rule will pass next spring at the march meetings, so the defense will be allowed to comunicate via wireless. It doesn't have to be the same guy. If Peyton Manning comes out of the game and the back up goes in, that QB gets the headset.
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Sikboy, you will never win an arguement with Sixpence. Remember, he was the guy defending Boston P.D. for freaking out at LiteBrites. (Just wait til they find those Miller Lite neons!)
(http://www.geekmonthly.com/wp-content/uploads/athfsign2.JPG)
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Originally posted by rpm
Sikboy, you will never win an arguement with Sixpence. Remember, he was the guy defending Boston P.D. for freaking out at LiteBrites. (Just wait til they find those Miller Lite neons!)
(http://www.geekmonthly.com/wp-content/uploads/athfsign2.JPG)
lol! you dweeb! BTW, I think the Patriots got off easy, I thought they were going to make them change their name to the cowboys and play at a stadium with a hole in the roof 8-P
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Originally posted by Sixpence
lol! you dweeb! BTW, I think the Patriots got off easy, I thought they were going to make them change their name to the cowboys and play at a stadium with a hole in the roof 8-P
... and make Belichick wear a coat, tie and hat like Tom Landry.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
No, two wrongs make it even.
Why do you hate America? WHY?!?!
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Typical Jet/Giant fan, who can't recognize talent if it was infont of his nose...Don't worry....Eli will come around.....suuuuuuuuure
Typical drone, who made a asinine assumption that since I live in NY I am a Jets/Giants fan. I am neither, just a football fan who is observant enough to see when a pro sports team resorts to cheating they show their true colors.
I figured New England fans would be outraged that their team optioned to cheat, but instead I find the fans support the New England Management's decision to pursue this unethical conduct. I guess the fans too lack in both character and integrity as much as the New England Patriot's organization themselves.
In case you don't know, the term "Pro" in Pro Sports is short for Professional. There is nothing professional about cheating. When a so-called professional team has to resort to that kind of tactic to best their opponent, then their existence is phony.
Pat yourselves on the back for it seems the deceiving New England Patriots and their dedicated fan base truly deserve each other.
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Originally posted by Swager
Typical drone, who made a asinine assumption that since I live in NY I am a Jets/Giants fan. I am neither, just a football fan who is observant enough to see when a pro sports team resorts to cheating they show their true colors.
I figured New England fans would be outraged that their team optioned to cheat, but instead I find the fans support the New England Management's decision to pursue this unethical conduct. I guess the fans too lack in both character and integrity as much as the New England Patriot's organization themselves.
Ignorance is bliss. The pats didn't cheat, Goodell even said so, but the media is so bloodthirsty, they'll call it cheating anyway.
First of all, taping is not illegal, the rule states you cannot tape in the locker room, sideline or coaches booth. There are designated areas for taping. This is to make sure the coaching staff has no communication during the game, but they can use the film after the game. This is why coaches like Andy Reid, Sean Peyton, John Gruden, etc., cover their mouths with laminated paper so no one can read their lips. They know they are being filmed.
The league knew the pats would have a camera on the sideline, so they watched for eight minutes before grabbing the camera. They watched to see if there was any communication between the camera operator and the coaching staff. There was not, so there was no cheating, as the league has stated.
They got punished for having a camera in the wrong spot, which is against the rules, not cheating. But if you want to run with the librul media, all the power to ya.
btw, you jets fans have a new chant:
R-A-T-S rats! rats! rats!
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Ignorance is bliss. The pats didn't cheat, Goodell even said so, but the media is so bloodthirsty, they'll call it cheating anyway.
First of all, taping is not illegal, the rule states you cannot tape in the locker room, sideline or coaches booth. There are designated areas for taping. This is to make sure the coaching staff has no communication during the game, but they can use the film after the game. This is why coaches like Andy Reid, Sean Peyton, John Gruden, etc., cover their mouths with laminated paper so no one can read their lips. They know they are being filmed.
The league knew the pats would have a camera on the sideline, so they watched for eight minutes before grabbing the camera. They watched to see if there was any communication between the camera operator and the coaching staff. There was not, so there was no cheating, as the league has stated.
They got punished for having a camera in the wrong spot, which is against the rules, not cheating. But if you want to run with the librul media, all the power to ya.
First of all you need major help with your spelling, second of all breaking the rules IS cheating. The reason there are rules is to prevent one team from gaining any sort of advantage of the the other, be it by holding a defensive lineman, hitting the QB late, or filming the other teams signals. There is a HUGE difference between players memorizing the other teams signals and the team filming the signals. The reason coaches cover their mouths when they speak is not because "they know they are being filmed", because in most cases they are not, it is because they know that the other coach is looking right at him, trying to get a clue as to what the next play will be. Also in your post you have to very contradictory statements. First you say taping is not illegal, later in the post you say the Pats are being punished for taping. Which is it? Don't bring the media's LIBERAL bias into this as it is completely irrelevent. There is no "conspiricy" againts the Patriots, every other team in the league has at some point been caught doing something questionable. The reason the Patriots get caught more is because of one of two things; They do a bad job of hiding there ways, or they just simply cheat more and therefore are caught more.
I would be very surprised if any of what I've said gets through your thick New England skull (trust me I know about this, I am from MA). It would be in your best interest to stop posting on this subject, less you make yourself out to be more of a moron.
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Originally posted by C(Sea)Bass
First of all you need major help with your spelling, second of all breaking the rules IS cheating.
No it isn't, if you cuss a ref and get a penalty, you broke the rules, you didn't cheat
The reason there are rules is to prevent one team from gaining any sort of advantage of the the other
No it is not, you are allowed to film from designated areas. Why? So you can study the film to get an advantage! They allow it, can you get that through your thick skull?
There is a HUGE difference between players memorizing the other teams signals and the team filming the signals.
Again with the thick skull, you are allowed to fil them, just not where you can communicate with who is filming during the game
The reason coaches cover their mouths when they speak is not because "they know they are being filmed", because in most cases they are not, it is because they know that the other coach is looking right at him, trying to get a clue as to what the next play will be.
Wow, you really are from Maine. How does the first call tell you what the next call will be?
First you say taping is not illegal, later in the post you say the Pats are being punished for taping. Which is it?
lol, you are so from Maine, this is what I wrote
"First of all, taping is not illegal, the rule states you cannot tape in the locker room, sideline or coaches booth. There are designated areas for taping. This is to make sure the coaching staff has no communication during the game, but they can use the film after the game."
Do you understand, or are you having a Maine moment?
It would be in your best interest to stop posting on this subject, less you make yourself out to be more of a moron.
It would be in your best interest to put down the crack pipe and move out of Maine before the damage is permanent
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Originally posted by Sixpence
First of all you need major help with your spelling, second of all breaking the rules IS cheating.
No it isn't, if you cuss a ref and get a penalty, you broke the rules, you didn't cheat
The reason there are rules is to prevent one team from gaining any sort of advantage of the the other
No it is not, you are allowed to film from designated areas. Why? So you can study the film to get an advantage! They allow it, can you get that through your thick skull?
There is a HUGE difference between players memorizing the other teams signals and the team filming the signals.
Again with the thick skull, you are allowed to fil them, just not where you can communicate with who is filming during the game
The reason coaches cover their mouths when they speak is not because "they know they are being filmed", because in most cases they are not, it is because they know that the other coach is looking right at him, trying to get a clue as to what the next play will be.
Wow, you really are from Maine. How does the first call tell you what the next call will be?
First you say taping is not illegal, later in the post you say the Pats are being punished for taping. Which is it?
lol, you are so from Maine, this is what I wrote
"First of all, taping is not illegal, the rule states you cannot tape in the locker room, sideline or coaches booth. There are designated areas for taping. This is to make sure the coaching staff has no communication during the game, but they can use the film after the game."
Do you understand, or are you having a Maine moment?
It would be in your best interest to stop posting on this subject, less you make yourself out to be more of a moron.
It would be in your best interest to put down the crack pipe and move out of Maine before the damage is permanent
First of all smart one if you read my location it says I am from Massachusetts, not Maine.
Cussing at a ref is cheating because the intnet behind any confrontation with an official is to try and get the call in question changed to your sides favor.
The reason you can only film from certain areas is so that the NFL can keep tabs on exactly what you are filming, so that you do not gain advantage over the other team by filming things that they cannot.
In case you did not notice in a football game htere is a small event called halftime. During this event it is very easy for a person who has studied the film made to relay information to the team. That is illegal and can best be prevented by the league giving guidlines as to where and how a film can be made, so that they can watch to see if the filmer is sending information indirectly to the team.
Since you want to nit-pick about word choice (to make up for your lack of arguement), coaches usually are in the process of communicating with the coordinators about the next play while the current play is happening. The opposing coach or one of his assistants is usualyy watching at the times he knows the play will be discussed, looking for either a chance to read lips or a physical tip-off, such as the the coach discussing something with a particular postional player such as a TE or RB to get an idea of what they can do against what the defense is giving them.
I'm sorry that you were not able to figure out my previous post as i had typed it assuming that you had common sense and the ability to reason. that was my mistake and in the future I shall address you as the dysfunctional dolt that you are.
And if you ever were to try and accuse me of being a crack addict in person as you have here, you would not live to see the next morning. So stop trying to be an internet tough guy.
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Originally posted by C(Sea)Bass
First of all smart one if you read my location it says I am from Massachusetts, not Maine.
yes, you couldn't make it where the better schools were so you had to go to Maine
Cussing at a ref is cheating because the intnet behind any confrontation with an official is to try and get the call in question changed to your sides favor.
lol! there's the Maine coming through! I see why you had to go there
The reason you can only film from certain areas is so that the NFL can keep tabs on exactly what you are filming, so that you do not gain advantage over the other team by filming things that they cannot.
Both teams can film what they want, including the head coach calling plays, that's why they cover their mouths, otherwise they wouldn't
In case you did not notice in a football game htere is a small event called halftime. During this event it is very easy for a person who has studied the film made to relay information to the team.
wow, I guess the damage is permanent, the reason why they film from those designated spots is so they can't show them to the coaching staff.
That is illegal and can best be prevented by the league giving guidlines as to where and how a film can be made, so that they can watch to see if the filmer is sending information indirectly to the team.
now you are getting it, I guess the damage isn't permanent. But that film can be used after the game. So, as the league has stated, there was no communication between the coaches and the camera operator, so there was no cheating.
Since you want to nit-pick about word choice (to make up for your lack of arguement), coaches usually are in the process of communicating with the coordinators about the next play while the current play is happening.
Since you don't know what you will call next until the first play is over, that comment is pretty stupid. You have a different call for 2nd and 10 than for 2nd and 1
And if you ever were to try and accuse me of being a crack addict in person as you have here, you would not live to see the next morning. So stop trying to be an internet tough guy.
lol! threaten to beat someone up over the internet and call that guy an internet tough guy! rof! lol, you've been served, sit down son
yes, you need to put the crack pipe down and get out of Maine
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You sir, are a handsomehunk. First you insult my school, which is regarded as the best in this country for my major. Then you proceed to give insults instead of an actual argument. I will not continue to deabte this issue as it is clear you are incapable of logical thought, nor do you understand football at all. I am willing to bet that you have never even played the sport.
You don't seem to get the point that I take being called a crack addict very seriously and will not stand for it. You are the one trying to be a tough guy, insulting people whom you do not agree with. Thats so hard to do sitting on your butt behind a computer. The point I was making is that you would never have the guts to call me that in person and if you did you would relize how insulting that is. If you continue to make insults you will be reported, there is no reason for you to drag a simple disscusion down to that level in the first place.
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Originally posted by C(Sea)Bass
You sir, are a handsomehunk. First you insult my school, which is regarded as the best in this country for my major.
What's that? inbreeding?
Then you proceed to give insults instead of an actual argument.
If you read your first post, you will find yourself a hypocrite. Then you got pwned at your own game(insults) and then threaten to beat me up(I hope you didn't kick your dog too)
I will not continue to deabte this issue as it is clear you are incapable of logical thought, nor do you understand football at all. I am willing to bet that you have never even played the sport.
I have been following and playing football since 1976, which is probably before you were born.
You don't seem to get the point that I take being called a crack addict very seriously and will not stand for it.
I don't like being called a moron either, but it's the internet and you're from Maine, I take it with a grain of salt
You are the one trying to be a tough guy, insulting people whom you do not agree with.
Again, you started with the name calling, got owned having it come back at you, then threatened someone sitting behind a computer. Are you getting this or have you and Maine become one? ( wait, unity, it's all making sense now)
you continue to make insults you will be reported, there is no reason for you to drag a simple disscusion down to that level in the first place.
You dragged it down, got owned, now you are going to report me? rof! your poor dog
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Wow, this post when from 0 to stupid in about six posts.