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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Witty on September 11, 2007, 07:06:06 PM
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So you’re flying along on your way to a furball and sooner than you’d expect, there’s a couple enemy aircraft in front of you. You pick your target which is a pony at roughly your same altitude and about 5.0k away and he’s closing fast. All of a sudden as you’re flying to meet him a Mossie swoops in behind you and begins firing away. Whether you die or not is beyond the point; the mere fact that the mossie got on your six, dove on you from above, or even snuck up on you while hiding in your blind spot is no one’s fault but your own.
Most people accept this truth but there’s a few who absolutely refuse to acknowledge their defeat as their own pilot error; some even go as far as to harass the nearest countryman for not giving them a ‘check six’. Personally I find that when I’m killed, 9 times out of 10, it’s due to my lack of situational awareness (becoming target fixated, simply assuming there are no enemies in the area, only checking for enemies who are on my six and not watching for Boom and Zoomers, and etc…).
When I’m truly in the mood to fight and win, as opposed to just messing around in the MA to unwind after a long day, my SA is razor sharp. That is why I have the volume for ‘check sixes’ turned down. I consider them a distraction and an annoyance. I know what’s behind me when I fight, just as well as what is above me, or off my left or right wing, and etc. But on the other hand, some people value ‘check six’ calls, and others even rely on them. This is okay but if you’re one of these people, don’t get mad when you get shot down because someone didn’t give you a ‘check six’, regardless of whether or not there are a lot of friendlies in the area. This just shows your lack of skill, class, and good judgment (what I mean by this is that I, for example, don’t have a microphone, nor do I have the ‘check six’ function mapped to my joystick so why should I sacrifice a kill or put myself at risk to compensate for the laziness of others? Though, when I can give a ‘check six’, I do, otherwise I don’t).
It’s plain and simple folks; if you got shot down it’s for 1 of 2 reasons:
1) You saw the enemy but did not know how to properly react
2) You didn’t even see the enemy at all
Situational Awareness is all it takes to prevent reason number 2.
For those of you who truly have a problem with not receiving a ‘check six’, regardless of the situation, join a squad or fly with a wingman. Just don’t harass your countrymen especially when you don't know them or their situation.
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So were you the mossie?
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Here here! If you don't know there's an enemy on your six then there's probly a problem. If you see tracers going by the canopy there's probly a problem. If you're in a CHUTE floating down to earth then there is a problem. make sure that you check your six for enemy fighters, even while in a fight. If you're on an enemy six most likley he's calling for some help, ans soon you'll have the bandit on your six.
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No, I was harassed by the person who got shot down by the Mossie. He didn't receive a 'check six' from even one friendly despite there being many in the area. Though, since I was the closest, he took his anger out on me instead of himself.
But that's beside the point. The first paragraph was meant to be more of a catchy intro than a realistic account. Though I based it off of real events.
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Bear in mind there are those who are so deluded who believe that anything bad that happens to them is due to someone else.
Beyond redemption.
General rule is give a check six if you can ... don't expect or depend on one.
Have fun & and don't let the mice grind you down.... lots of squeaky wheels out there.
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As if everyone else around you is expected to cover your six.
Get a wingman. Otherwise, shut up.
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although a check 6 is nice, i don't expect to get one.
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Originally posted by Witty
For those of you who truly have a problem with not receiving a ‘check six’, regardless of the situation, join a squad or fly with a wingman. Just don’t harass your countrymen especially when you don't know them or their situation.
Well said Witty.
Your post reminds me of a certain player who flies Bishops. Although this guy is a pretty good stick, every time he gets nailed in a down n dirty furball, said player begins a range-vox and country-text rant that goes on for 10 minutes. This has been going on for years under various player names (cpid's) by the same guy.
Bottom line, as you said, unless you're flying with a wingie, YOUR 6 is YOUR responsibility. A check 6 from another teammate is always appreciated, but for cryenoutloud, don't go off on a rant when your cartoon plane ends up in pieces.
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The best response to such an outburst is always an enthusiastiac postmortem "Check Six!".
Think it was Morpheus who said something like "The only time you should be looking straight forward in a fight is when you're shooting". Good advice; pity those who need it most don't heed it.
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Well said Witty, I agree.
I will give a check-6, I appreciate a check-6, but I do not expect them from anyone.
Gunner
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Nicely put, Witty, but why the shades? You aren't exactly saying something likely to incite people.
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Originally posted by Max
Well said Witty.
Your post reminds me of a certain player who flies Bishops. Although this guy is a pretty good stick, every time he gets nailed in a down n dirty furball, said player begins a range-vox and country-text rant that goes on for 10 minutes. This has been going on for years under various player names (cpid's) by the same guy.
Bottom line, as you said, unless you're flying with a wingie, YOUR 6 is YOUR responsibility. A check 6 from another teammate is always appreciated, but for cryenoutloud, don't go off on a rant when your cartoon plane ends up in pieces.
I must have heard one of these one night. All of a sudden some idiot starts screaming and swearing at all the Bish on local vox because he didn't get a check six. If I could remember who it was I might just keep pounding the check six button at him next time I see him whether he needs it or not... :lol
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Originally posted by Witty
It’s plain and simple folks; if you got shot down it’s for 1 of 2 reasons:
1) You saw the enemy but did not know how to properly react
2) You didn’t even see the enemy at all
Situational Awareness is all it takes to prevent reason number 2.
Actually, when I get shot down, I'm pretty sure it's because the other guy cheated.
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I might have been the mossie, sorry for not giving a check 6 on channel 200... I'll work on that.
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For me the function of Ch6 button remains a mystery. Many times it just does not "want" to select the person I want it to and while scrolling through all the own planes in the vicinity IF it finally selects the right plane it usually is too late. I usually end up warning the wrong person and apologizing for that. Maybe it should have some kind of priority to the planes in the middle of your screen, dunno.
-C+
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I always tell them..
Its your prettythang your sittin on,ya may as well keep an eye on it
Pipz
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Check six is appreciated, but give me a holler on vox instead. The generic check six does not cover all the possible attack aspects, so it can cause you to guess where the con is coming from. I would say save the check six for when the enemy con is actually on your six. You are absolutely right on the SA thoughts----->head on a swivel at all times!
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Originally posted by Charge
Maybe it should have some kind of priority to the planes in the middle of your screen, dunno.
Charge,
It actually does seem work that way as far as I have experienced, could be wrong though. The biggest problem for me is the fact that the call gets "stuck" on a guy that doesn't need a warning while scrolling towards the guy I indented to give it to. The only option then is to give the call to a wrong guy and if there's still time...try to give the call again to the right guy...and after that apologize from the wrong recipient.
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Just hit the apostrophe key, no need to cycle through all the planes.
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Originally posted by Witty
No, I was harassed by the person who got shot down by the Mossie. He didn't receive a 'check six' from even one friendly despite there being many in the area. Though, since I was the closest, he took his anger out on me instead of himself.
But that's beside the point. The first paragraph was meant to be more of a catchy intro than a realistic account. Though I based it off of real events.
you didnt give the guy a check 6? how rude!
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No question that the "CHK 6" can be a crutch for poor SA and an easy excuse after you die....
There are two exceptions, 1st I'm amazed how often I've picked a guy with a half dozen guys around him apparently none of whom bothered to call me out on vox or chk 6 anyone...
The second type is even worse. I was flying over the weekend and was in the "ebb & flow"....we had numbers when I took off and by the time I got close we'd had some attrition down to roughly even. I cleared a couple of guys and then got locked into a fight with a ki-84 and lala. After that was over I was still near the enemy basr and started to climb away and spiral climb up. The next enemy wave (only a few including the lala & ki-84) were coming out....so I had a 4 planes that were climbing to me...I also had a 190 and a pony over me (I was in a B pony) and a friendly comes in over everyone. I'm keeping an eye on the 190 and engage the highest of the low cons...who evades but then pulls into a climbing drag (obvious warning sign)....sure enough the 190 is screaming in with the "friendly" close behind. The gent in question repeated this behavior for a good 10 minutes...
Alot of times the guy "ranting" is venting on a combination of events.......
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Originally posted by Flint
General rule is give a check six if you can ... don't expect or depend on one.
:aok
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Just hit the apostrophe key, no need to cycle through all the planes.
Here's pyro's explanation on how it works:
"Added a new command to send "check six" warnings to your allies. This
key is defaulted to the ' key. If you've altered your keymap settings
before, you'll need to manually map this key. You can also assign this
function to a joystick button. Pressing this button will highlight the
icon of a friendly in view. Repeatedly pressing this button will cycle
through all the friendly icons in view. The call is automatically sent
one second after you finished selecting. The call will send a private
message in the text buffer and play an audio file on the recipients computer.
You cannot receive a six call from a person that you have squelched."
What I mean is when I keep pressing the key repeatedly it sometimes gets stuck to a wrong guy and won't scroll any further. It could be that it can only scroll through the friendly icons in view once, and after that gets stuck to the last icon left in the view, dunno.
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If I see em coming, I'll give everyone and anyone a swift check six.......I get them often..lol..but never ever depend on them....(and yes, I get shot down a lot, but then I'm still learning ho hum)......more useful to me is the "check six from (Direction)......least that way you have a fighting chance to actually see them before its boom, tower time.....
Wurzel
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I always give a "check six" call (usually the text version) to anyone I see in danger....
But please remember the wisdom of the MA Bible....
"Rebuke not, thy bretheren, as ye spiral down in flames, for only you are responsible for thine own Six."
68ROX
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Originally posted by Vudak
Nicely put, Witty, but why the shades?
He's trying to be.....well.........umm...... witty!:rolleyes:
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Very witty Skyrock. You figured out Witty's tryin to be witty. :lol
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Nicely put, Witty, but why the shades? You aren't exactly saying something likely to incite people.
Quite honestly, I wasn’t sure how everyone would react to this post. Especially since at the time of the incident; 2 or 3 people not only sympathized with the guy but even agreed with him, all to my dismay.
What happened was this: I was climbing enroute to a furball roughly half a sector away when I saw tracers pass by my canopy. I wasn’t paying attention so an enemy managed to sneak up behind me. It was no big deal, especially considering that his aim was so horrible that he didn’t hit me. Sensing that this guy wasn’t a threat, I took my time slowly doing a split-S and that was when I noticed there were a handful of enemies in the area, not just one. So I started heading back to base to while trying to decide on the best course of action.
I then noticed a Mossie at about the same altitude as me, off my right wing, headed straight for me. I banked right to meet the Mossie head-on but maneuvered to avoid being shot in the face. As I start to turn around to follow the Mossie I notice a much higher 190 in the same direction as where the Mossie had come from. I decided to forgo chasing the Mossie to instead deal with the 190 who seemed to pose a much greater and more imminent threat.
Seconds later I hear some guy over the range channel say something along the lines of: “I’m not flying around here anymore…no one gives any ‘check sixes’.” Someone else apologetically announces how he was just about to give a ‘check six’, that in fact he even had his finger on the button but just couldn’t press it in time. Then it got to the point where the first guy loses his temper and says something like: I’m not mad at any of you guys, I’m just ticked at the guy who was right friggin behind him…Whitten!”
That completely caught me off guard; at first I didn’t even know what he was talking about. But then I put two and two together and figured out that the Mossie who had just passed me was the same Mossie who this guy was complaining attacked him.
Since he was making such a big deal about not receiving a ‘check six’, it’s obvious that he didn’t even see the Mossie coming. But somehow he was able to know that I was chasing the Mossie at the time of the attack? If he knew I was chasing the Mossie, wouldn’t he realize the Mossie was there in the first place? The answer is simply no; he did not see the Mossie nor did he see me chasing the Mossie. He just simply used this as an excuse to take out all his rage on someone else.
Even if I was chasing the Mossie, or was simply aware that the Mossie was going to attack this guy; yeah, it would have been rude not to give a ‘check six’ (provided that I had the opportunity to do so) but regardless, there is absolutely no call for acting the way this guy did. And I’m just as disappointed at the countrymen who verbally agreed with this guy while neither they themselves witnessed the attack. So my whole point to you is, don’t harass or humiliate anyone for any reason; after all this is just a game.
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I usually eat more Pizza.
Ok ok ..
..if someone 'goes off' about not gettin a check 6,
I recommend Pac-Man or possibly checkers,
..it's obvious they cant fly their own plane
and want someone to babysit them.
-GE (just sayin, tm Pasha)
(and ya .. I do VOX ..screw tryin to target the right plane in the furballs I am usually in :)
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i think that your right for the most part
if your in, lets say a F4U, you've got to take time to use the arrow keys and page up/down keys to see on your 6, and you still have a blind spot, and in that time your intended target could of seen you and broke off...
i DO accept that most of the time, me gettin shot down was due to the other guy having more skill or my SA...
what really gets to me though is when you dive in to help a teammate, your on the guy that was on his 6, get him to break off, and something comes in on you, you ask for help and for some reason or another...they "can't" (usually RTB bingo ammo or something...) so yeahh...
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Originally posted by trigger2
i think that your right for the most part
if your in, lets say a F4U, you've got to take time to use the arrow keys and page up/down keys to see on your 6, and you still have a blind spot, and in that time your intended target could of seen you and broke off...
you DO know that you can save your views by hitting F10 dont' ya?
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Originally posted by WMLute
you DO know that you can save your views by hitting F10 dont' ya?
yeah i do
but usually i like to glance behind me, not have that be my focus point, i just put my POV onto pan and it makes it a bit faster.
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Originally posted by Max
Your post reminds me of a certain player who flies Bishops. Although this guy is a pretty good stick, every time he gets nailed in a down n dirty furball, said player begins a range-vox and country-text rant that goes on for 10 minutes. This has been going on for years under various player names (cpid's) by the same guy.
just goes to show Max you can take the guns06 out of the cpid
but can't take the guns06 out of the player, unfortunately.
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Originally posted by trigger2
yeah i do
but usually i like to glance behind me, not have that be my focus point, i just put my POV onto pan and it makes it a bit faster.
There's your problem.