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Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: 5PointOh on September 12, 2007, 05:55:53 PM
I'd like to also add in the P-61 Black Widow.  Its a gorgeous plane, and we really don't have that many twin engine fighters.

(http://www.knowledgerush.com/wiki_image/4/4f/Northrop_P-61.jpg)

Heres some stats that I found at http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org

GENERAL INFORMATION:
Type:
    P-61: Three-seat Night Fighter
    F-15: Two-seat strategic reconaissance
Manufacturer: Northrop
Models: P-61A thru C, F-15 (RF-61C) Reporter
First Flight: May 21, 1942 (XP-61)
Service Delivery:
    May 1944 (P-61A)
    1946 (F-15A)
Final Delivery: N/A
Total Produced: 941 (plus 35 photo-recon versions)

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POWERPLANT:
   Model: Pratt & Whitney R-2800 Double Wasp
   Type: 18-Cyl 2-Row Radials
   Horsepower (P-61A): 2,000hp R-2800-10
   Horsepower (P-61B): 2,000hp R-2800-65
   Horsepower (P-61C and F-15): 2,800hp R-2800-73


FUEL:
   Capacity: N/A
   Type: N/A

DIMENSIONS:
   Wing span: 20.12m (66 ft.)
   Length (P-61A): 14.92m (48 ft. 11 in.)
   Length (P-61B & C): 15.1m (49 ft. 7 in.)
   Length (F-15): 15.3m (50 ft. 3 in.)
   Height: 4.49m (14 ft. 8 in.)
   Wing Surface Area: N/A
   WEIGHTS:
   Empty (Typical P-61): 10,886kg (24,000 lbs.)
   Empty (F-15): 9,979kg (22,000 lbs.)
   Maximum, Loaded (P-61A): 14,696kg (32,400 lbs.)
   Maximum, Loaded (P-61B): 17,237kg (38,000 lbs.)
   Maximum, Loaded (P-61C): 18,280kg (40,300 lbs.)
   Maximum, Clean (F-15): 12,700kg (28,000 lbs.)

PERFORMANCE:
   Maximum Speed (P-61A & B): 366 mph (590 km/h)
   Maximum Speed (P-61C): 430 mph (692 km/h)
   Maximum Speed (F-15): 440 mph (708 km/h)
   Initial climb (P-61A & B): 2,200 ft. (670 m) per minute
   Initial climb (P-61C & F-15): 3,000 ft. (914 m) per minute
   Service Ceiling (P-61A & B): 33,000 ft. (10,060 m)
   Service Ceiling (P-61C & F-15): 41,000 ft. (12,500 m)
   Range - Max. Fuel (P-61A): 500 Miles (2360 km)
   Range - Max. Fuel (P-61B & C): 2,800 Miles (4500 km)
   Range - Max. Fuel (F-15): 4,000 Miles (6440 km)


ARMAMENTS:
Four 20mm M-2 Cannon in belly, fixed forward.
Plus
Electric Dorsal turret with four .50 machine guns, remotely controlled
from front or rear sight station and fired by pilot.
(in first 37 A's, last 250 B's and all C's)
Plus (B & C Only)
Wing racks for 6,400 lb. ordnance load.

F-15 carried no armament.
 

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COMMENTS: The P-61 was the first U.S. aircraft designed from the beginning as a night fighter, the Black Widow was a result of the experience of the RAF with radar equipped fighters. The first P-61's entered service with the 18th Fighter Group in the South Pacific and sooned gained successes there as well as in Europe.
 
Any thoughts??
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: CAF51 on September 12, 2007, 06:02:37 PM
Seconded, love the look of the 61.
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: whiteman on September 12, 2007, 06:23:39 PM
I'll add in a third i like it before the obvious "we have no night" posts
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: 5PointOh on September 12, 2007, 06:53:30 PM
Oh I'm sure there will be "theres no night post".  Its so pretty and 4 20mms. I love it!
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: hubsonfire on September 12, 2007, 07:14:03 PM
We have no night!

But yeah, I still like this bird.
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: Karnak on September 12, 2007, 07:52:52 PM
Very neat fighter.  With its 6,400lb ord load, four Hispanos, durability and agility it would see a lot of use in AH.  Probably a lot of pilot wounds too as it is twin engined.  The WWII versions were the A and B, so it might lack the raw performance that people expect of it.

I'd love to see it eventually, but I think there are more important things to add first.

As to the lack of night, frankly, I don't give a damn.  The P-61B, Mosquito NF.30 and He219 would all be nice additions that would see use in AH.  The first two were also used during the day quite a bit.
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: Wes14 on September 12, 2007, 08:22:03 PM
so its better then a P-38? :confused:
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: Karnak on September 12, 2007, 08:24:32 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Wes14
so its better then a P-38? :confused:

Depends on your goal.  If your goal is to shoot down other fighters, no, it isn't.  It tops out at 366mph compared with the P-38's 414mph.  If your goal is to blow stuff up on the ground or kill bombers, then yes, it is better.

P-38 is still dang good at those jobs too.
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: 5PointOh on September 13, 2007, 08:33:28 AM
From what I've read, the P-61 seems to be an excellent multirole plane.  Of course thats just reading since I've never flown one.  Anyway, thats my next pick for the next plane.  Its very unique.
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: VonMessa on September 13, 2007, 08:55:31 AM
Nice lines, shining example of American ingenuity.:aok
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: VonMessa on September 13, 2007, 09:12:43 AM
Nice lines, shining example of American ingenuity.:aok
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: Tiger on September 13, 2007, 09:14:10 AM
6400 lbs of ord.  That's more than half of the bombers we have ;)
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: titanic3 on September 13, 2007, 10:20:01 AM
Quote
Originally posted by 5PointOh
I'd like to also add in the P-61 Black Widow.  Its a gorgeous plane, and we really don't have that many twin engine fighters.

(http://www.knowledgerush.com/wiki_image/4/4f/Northrop_P-61.jpg)

Heres some stats that I found at http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org

GENERAL INFORMATION:
Type:
    P-61: Three-seat Night Fighter
    F-15: Two-seat strategic reconaissance
Manufacturer: Northrop
Models: P-61A thru C, F-15 (RF-61C) Reporter
First Flight: May 21, 1942 (XP-61)
Service Delivery:
    May 1944 (P-61A)
    1946 (F-15A)
Final Delivery: N/A
Total Produced: 941 (plus 35 photo-recon versions)

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POWERPLANT:
   Model: Pratt & Whitney R-2800 Double Wasp
   Type: 18-Cyl 2-Row Radials
   Horsepower (P-61A): 2,000hp R-2800-10
   Horsepower (P-61B): 2,000hp R-2800-65
   Horsepower (P-61C and F-15): 2,800hp R-2800-73


FUEL:
   Capacity: N/A
   Type: N/A

DIMENSIONS:
   Wing span: 20.12m (66 ft.)
   Length (P-61A): 14.92m (48 ft. 11 in.)
   Length (P-61B & C): 15.1m (49 ft. 7 in.)
   Length (F-15): 15.3m (50 ft. 3 in.)
   Height: 4.49m (14 ft. 8 in.)
   Wing Surface Area: N/A
   WEIGHTS:
   Empty (Typical P-61): 10,886kg (24,000 lbs.)
   Empty (F-15): 9,979kg (22,000 lbs.)
   Maximum, Loaded (P-61A): 14,696kg (32,400 lbs.)
   Maximum, Loaded (P-61B): 17,237kg (38,000 lbs.)
   Maximum, Loaded (P-61C): 18,280kg (40,300 lbs.)
   Maximum, Clean (F-15): 12,700kg (28,000 lbs.)

PERFORMANCE:
   Maximum Speed (P-61A & B): 366 mph (590 km/h)
   Maximum Speed (P-61C): 430 mph (692 km/h)
   Maximum Speed (F-15): 440 mph (708 km/h)
   Initial climb (P-61A & B): 2,200 ft. (670 m) per minute
   Initial climb (P-61C & F-15): 3,000 ft. (914 m) per minute
   Service Ceiling (P-61A & B): 33,000 ft. (10,060 m)
   Service Ceiling (P-61C & F-15): 41,000 ft. (12,500 m)
   Range - Max. Fuel (P-61A): 500 Miles (2360 km)
   Range - Max. Fuel (P-61B & C): 2,800 Miles (4500 km)
   Range - Max. Fuel (F-15): 4,000 Miles (6440 km)


ARMAMENTS:
Four 20mm M-2 Cannon in belly, fixed forward.
Plus
Electric Dorsal turret with four .50 machine guns, remotely controlled
from front or rear sight station and fired by pilot.
(in first 37 A's, last 250 B's and all C's)
Plus (B & C Only)
Wing racks for 6,400 lb. ordnance load.

F-15 carried no armament.
 

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COMMENTS: The P-61 was the first U.S. aircraft designed from the beginning as a night fighter, the Black Widow was a result of the experience of the RAF with radar equipped fighters. The first P-61's entered service with the 18th Fighter Group in the South Pacific and sooned gained successes there as well as in Europe.
 
Any thoughts??


i killed P-38s before, i'll kill P-61 when we get it :D


joke off

although it is a neat aircraft, i don't think the P-38 will still out perform it in every way possible. sure 6,400lb of ord is a lot, but if you can't get ord to the target, then what's the point? if a P-61 get jumped with its ord, it won't have much of a chance. already, i can name 10 other plane that will out-perform this yank.  

unless the some noob is stupid enough to HO it.
Title: Re: Re: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: Tiger on September 13, 2007, 10:56:11 AM
Quote
Originally posted by titanic3

unless the some noob is stupid enough to HO it.


I have yet to find an aircraft in this game that a noob won't ho with.

I had one HO me with his A6M, I was in a 110-G... needless to say he didn't get the chance to HO anyone else that sortie
Title: Re: Re: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: 5PointOh on September 13, 2007, 11:11:08 AM
Quote
Originally posted by titanic3
i killed P-38s before, i'll kill P-61 when we get it :D


joke off

although it is a neat aircraft, i don't think the P-38 will still out perform it in every way possible. sure 6,400lb of ord is a lot, but if you can't get ord to the target, then what's the point? if a P-61 get jumped with its ord, it won't have much of a chance. already, i can name 10 other plane that will out-perform this yank.  

unless the some noob is stupid enough to HO it.


I can name a lot of planes in this game that are cannon fodder with ord hanging on them.  Its not my intention to wish for a plane that would replace the 38, I'd just like to see a plane that has multi uses (and the 6400 ord rating didn't hurt either)  Besides look at those lines.  :)
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: waystin2 on September 13, 2007, 12:50:57 PM
:aok Looks like a cool bird!
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: beau32 on September 13, 2007, 02:54:50 PM
Of course we know we dont have night. Some of the planes we have are night aircraft, or atleast they were used a good bit of the time in the night. Lancasters, 110's, P-38's, F4U's were all used at night. But yet, we have them in the game. I say we deffently get the P-61 Black Widow. Its a awsome aircraft, and will get alot of use. Good speed, good weapons, and good bomb load. Deffently a plane that we can use. :aok
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: 5PointOh on September 13, 2007, 05:24:56 PM
I'm curious what Mr. WideWing would know about the P-61, he has a plethera of knowledge.:aok
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: whiteman on September 13, 2007, 05:57:27 PM
Quote
Originally posted by 5PointOh
I'm curious what Mr. WideWing would know about the P-61, he has a plethera of knowledge.:aok


(http://a6.vox.com/6a00c225221765549d00cd97031c0e4cd5-500pi)

what is a plethora?
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: 5PointOh on September 13, 2007, 09:57:44 PM
Perhaps vast would have been better term.  Plus I should have spelled plethora right.:aok   Btw I love the Pony pic. :aok
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: DaddyAck on September 14, 2007, 12:22:59 AM
I have asked for the P-61 before, but have been ridiculed every time for it.  But yeah it would be great at killing buffs, as well as attacking ground targets.
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: whiteman on September 14, 2007, 02:34:50 AM
Quote
Originally posted by 5PointOh
Perhaps vast would have been better term.  Plus I should have spelled plethora right.:aok   Btw I love the Pony pic. :aok


My buddy at work plays with a sound board all day and thats his favorite scene from the movie. Thanks, found and croped it to fit.
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: 5PointOh on September 14, 2007, 08:31:38 AM
Quote
Originally posted by DaddyAck
I have asked for the P-61 before, but have been ridiculed every time for it.  But yeah it would be great at killing buffs, as well as attacking ground targets.
We shall start the lobbying for the P-61.  The alliance has been formed!
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: Nilsen on September 14, 2007, 08:42:52 AM
Excellent target and jabo. Pretty far down on my wishlist but id still grin if we got it.
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: 5PointOh on September 14, 2007, 10:54:40 AM
It was either this or the A26.  My A26 was beat in the last election, so I moved on to something that has a 6400lbs load out. Plus it looks cool in black!:aok
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: VonMessa on September 14, 2007, 12:54:30 PM
Quote
Originally posted by 5PointOh
It was either this or the A26.  My A26 was beat in the last election, so I moved on to something that has a 6400lbs load out. Plus it looks cool in black!:aok


     As long as you wash it 5Point.  Black is really hard to keep clean.  Don't forget to use the best brand of prop wash that you can find!:aok
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: 5PointOh on September 14, 2007, 01:29:52 PM
My F250 is black. Oh how I hate to wash that thing.
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: BaDkaRmA158Th on September 14, 2007, 01:43:09 PM
Will also ways my vote, do not forget with the turret it could also defend itself while in a dive.

But, if you think a p38 makes a large target, this thing is WAY bigger.
Also has 3 people in it.


Id hit it :)
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: whiteman on September 14, 2007, 01:53:02 PM
Quote
Originally posted by 5PointOh
My F250 is black. Oh how I hate to wash that thing.


Try Mr Clean Car wash system. Friend of mine uses it for his Black ZO6 and SS
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: trigger2 on September 15, 2007, 03:20:44 AM
love the bird it looks beautiful and it's stats are quite good for a twin engine fighter/attack with 1600 LBS of ordy on it
I'd still like to see the p39 first but this is def. on my list :]
Title: A26
Post by: jtdragon on September 16, 2007, 07:33:55 AM
A26 was a better ground attack plane then the B25 ever was. just more people heard of the B25 becuase it was first to mount 75.
Title: Re: A26
Post by: Nimrod45 on September 16, 2007, 08:00:49 AM
Quote
Originally posted by jtdragon
A26 was a better ground attack plane then the B25 ever was. just more people heard of the B25 becuase it was first to mount 75.


Not to mention the B-25 only served in WWII for about four and a half years longer than the A-26.  The B-25 was a very good choice last vote, though I did vote for the P-39 and will next time.
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: Bosco123 on September 16, 2007, 04:52:28 PM
I love the airplane as well but whay have it if we do not have night fighting and thats what its primary goal was. with 8 .50 cals, dam would it be fun to shoot somthing down with it, but it was only ment for the primary was killing nightfighters such as the "ooho" and such.

Yes but no
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: 5PointOh on September 16, 2007, 09:06:01 PM
Well we do have dusk.  :aok
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: Bosco123 on September 17, 2007, 03:49:33 PM
Quote
Originally posted by 5PointOh
Well we do have dusk.  :aok

Dusk is not good enough for fighting night fighters, as I said great plane, but not meant for this game, unless we have night, then I am all for it:)
Title: for it
Post by: hawkeye32145 on September 17, 2007, 06:47:22 PM
im completly for it dude the p-61 (i belive) was the most armored plane in wwii
it would be cool to have something like that

i waz just bout to make a post like this
:noid
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: Ack-Ack on September 17, 2007, 07:22:42 PM
Quote
Originally posted by beau32
Of course we know we dont have night. Some of the planes we have are night aircraft, or atleast they were used a good bit of the time in the night. Lancasters, 110's, P-38's, F4U's were all used at night.



Bad examples.   None of those aircraft you listed have night versions in the game.

ack-ack
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: Saxman on September 17, 2007, 08:04:24 PM
No, but they COULD be added.

The REAL question we have would be how to simulate the radar.
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: 5PointOh on September 17, 2007, 09:56:11 PM
I really wasn't concerned about the radar, considering we have a clip board with radar.   I love the look of the plane, it has very unique lines, and the 4 20mm help a lot too.
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: Saxman on September 17, 2007, 10:56:03 PM
Still, I'd like to see some sort of advantage go to the night fighters if HTC does integrate night. Enough aircraft already in the game had night-fighter variants, not to mention specialty jobs like the Black Widow, that most everyone should have a night-fighter they'd be content to fly if the on-board radar was somehow put into effect.
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: jtdragon on September 18, 2007, 12:15:21 AM
Bad examples. None of those aircraft you listed have night versions in the game.

He was saying that they had night Version in real life.
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: 5PointOh on September 18, 2007, 11:09:23 AM
I really don't think it needs a radar advantage over other planes.  6400lbs of ords, and a great gun package=Drop 2 hangers and enjoy the furball afterwards.:aok  

Here is a couple blurbs about the P-61, just some interesting notes.

_____________________________ ___________
The P-61 was not the most glamorous airplane of WWII. It also wasn’t the fastest, biggest, most produced, or had the highest number of kills. It did, however, have one job to do, and it did that job very well, hence the nickname “Black Widow”. It also sported a unique design, much like the P-38, which resulted in a very nice looking airplane.
The Black Widow concept began early in the war as the USAAF generals started to realize the importance of the British RADAR systems. The goal was to have a hunter/killer airplane that could fly at night and track down its prey using RADAR. Early airborne radar units were large, heavy, and power hungry. And they used antennas that looked a lot like big clunky outdoor TV antennas. As RADAR was further refined, the sets got smaller, and a version emerged that used a small parabolic dish. This would be perfect for installing in a medium twin-engined fighter aircraft. Thus was born the P-61 project.
 
The P-61 was a twin-boom airplane, with the engines at the front of each boom, and the tail and rudders at the back end of the booms. A pod on the centerline of the plane housed the cockpit, radar, a navigator/radar operator, and gunner. The nose of the Black Widow was fiberglass, and the radar dish sat inside the nose. The P-61 was outfitted with (2) Pratt & Whitney R-2800 Double Wasp engines, 18 cylinders each, with an output of 2000 HP per engine. Later versions of the P-61 saw that horsepower level increased to 2800 HP per engine. That increase in power boosted top speed from around 366MPH up to 440MPH. The Black Widow had a 66-foot wing span, was about 50-feet long, and sat 14-foot 8-inches tall. She weighed in at 24,000 pounds empty, and could carry an additional 16,000 pounds of payload and fuel. The offensive sting was powerful...(4) 50-caliber machine guns and (4) 20mm cannons.
The P-61 benefited from being developed later during the war. As a result, it was a very polished and refined airplane. It had a lot of automation for its day, and could literally fly itself into the air once the takeoff run was started. Pilots tell me that one could make a turn into a dead engine, something that would be suicidal in most other airplanes.
The Black Widow did not have an overwhelming number of kills in WWII. The reason is that it came along rather late in the war, and by that time, the AXIS partners had little left to throw at the Allies. If someone did dare to take to the skies under the cover of darkness, and a P-61 was nearby, they were as good as toast.
A total of 941 P-61’s were built in three models, the P-61A, P-61B, and the more powerful P-61C. In addition, 35 F-15 photo recon variants were produced. Today, only 3 survive as complete airframes, one is undergoing restoration, and one is known to survive in China

Quoted from:
http://www.visi.com/~jweeks/p61/index.html
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: Karnak on September 18, 2007, 11:53:51 AM
P-61s were used in daylight.  All late war Allied nightfighters were due to a lack of targets at night.

But people hoping for 400+mph will be disappointed, those were postwar.
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: 5PointOh on September 18, 2007, 09:53:44 PM
Even at 366 shes still a quick bird
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: DaddyAck on September 19, 2007, 12:32:43 AM
I would love the p61, it would be great to have a plane with 4 x 20mm that I as the pilot can use to shred things, while one of my buddies could use the 4 x .50cals in the turet to help shred or defend. :D Plus she is not too terribly slow for her size. :aok
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: 5PointOh on September 19, 2007, 11:10:16 AM
Unite my brothers for a plane that would be useful in AH:aok :rofl
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: Easyscor on September 19, 2007, 01:42:09 PM
Yep, the P-61 is the only plane I'd put in front of those we need for events.
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: 5PointOh on September 20, 2007, 11:09:35 AM
What events might those be...perhaps something in the dark?:aok
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: titanic3 on September 20, 2007, 03:25:08 PM
Quote
Originally posted by 5PointOh
What events might those be...perhaps something in the dark?:aok


with a room, a bed and chicks?

http://www.smm.org/buzz/media/images/chickens_0.jpg

yes i meant those chicks, eating them in your bed at night, watching TV.
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: TwentyFo on September 20, 2007, 06:40:25 PM
I'm united with 5.0 for the p61, as well as world peace.
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: hawkeye32145 on September 20, 2007, 06:42:39 PM
Quote
Originally posted by titanic3
with a room, a bed and chicks?

http://www.smm.org/buzz/media/images/chickens_0.jpg

yes i meant those chicks, eating them in your bed at night, watching TV.

lol
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: IMXLR8N on September 20, 2007, 11:15:45 PM
Oh god yes.... P-61 has been my favorite fighter since I was a kid. It was so ahead of it's time it was crazy. Plus it's dead sexy in black....
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: Coog03 on September 21, 2007, 09:19:43 AM
It would be a great add. I have always loved this plane. :aok
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: DaddyAck on September 23, 2007, 05:47:21 AM
Loogs like we got ourselves a P.61 campeighn forming up here. :D
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: Redlegs on September 23, 2007, 06:19:27 AM
Quote
Originally posted by DaddyAck
Loogs like we got ourselves a P.61 campeighn forming up here. :D


Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil!!
(http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/9601/p61x.jpg)
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: spexia on September 23, 2007, 07:33:47 AM
red legs seems to me that you like to cut down alot of people just cause you are 15 years old. i heard ya cutting down bearing for no reason, you just get in a mob rule. bearing is alive and well, and has more support than dweebs that post all this crap in BB. denholm is a computer, whisky flask at hand disregard the idiot
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: Redlegs on September 23, 2007, 08:09:21 AM
Quote
Originally posted by spexia
red legs seems to me that you like to cut down alot of people just cause you are 15 years old. i heard ya cutting down bearing for no reason, you just get in a mob rule. bearing is alive and well, and has more support than dweebs that post all this crap in BB. denholm is a computer, whisky flask at hand disregard the idiot


sorry Bearing3.
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: spexia on September 23, 2007, 08:22:24 AM
redlegs you are a good kid
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: Wes14 on September 23, 2007, 11:33:35 AM
Skuzzy<----------Owns Bearing3




:t

(sorry for the hijack, carry on)
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: 5PointOh on September 24, 2007, 11:39:30 AM
PS, if we were to get the P61, lets not add it to the H2H arena.  Oh wait its closed:aok
Title: P-61 Black Widow
Post by: pengu146 on September 25, 2007, 09:02:49 AM
the P 61 was a great not fast but nice