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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: 5PointOh on September 12, 2007, 05:55:53 PM
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I'd like to also add in the P-61 Black Widow. Its a gorgeous plane, and we really don't have that many twin engine fighters.
(http://www.knowledgerush.com/wiki_image/4/4f/Northrop_P-61.jpg)
Heres some stats that I found at http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org
GENERAL INFORMATION:
Type:
P-61: Three-seat Night Fighter
F-15: Two-seat strategic reconaissance
Manufacturer: Northrop
Models: P-61A thru C, F-15 (RF-61C) Reporter
First Flight: May 21, 1942 (XP-61)
Service Delivery:
May 1944 (P-61A)
1946 (F-15A)
Final Delivery: N/A
Total Produced: 941 (plus 35 photo-recon versions)
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POWERPLANT:
Model: Pratt & Whitney R-2800 Double Wasp
Type: 18-Cyl 2-Row Radials
Horsepower (P-61A): 2,000hp R-2800-10
Horsepower (P-61B): 2,000hp R-2800-65
Horsepower (P-61C and F-15): 2,800hp R-2800-73
FUEL:
Capacity: N/A
Type: N/A
DIMENSIONS:
Wing span: 20.12m (66 ft.)
Length (P-61A): 14.92m (48 ft. 11 in.)
Length (P-61B & C): 15.1m (49 ft. 7 in.)
Length (F-15): 15.3m (50 ft. 3 in.)
Height: 4.49m (14 ft. 8 in.)
Wing Surface Area: N/A
WEIGHTS:
Empty (Typical P-61): 10,886kg (24,000 lbs.)
Empty (F-15): 9,979kg (22,000 lbs.)
Maximum, Loaded (P-61A): 14,696kg (32,400 lbs.)
Maximum, Loaded (P-61B): 17,237kg (38,000 lbs.)
Maximum, Loaded (P-61C): 18,280kg (40,300 lbs.)
Maximum, Clean (F-15): 12,700kg (28,000 lbs.)
PERFORMANCE:
Maximum Speed (P-61A & B): 366 mph (590 km/h)
Maximum Speed (P-61C): 430 mph (692 km/h)
Maximum Speed (F-15): 440 mph (708 km/h)
Initial climb (P-61A & B): 2,200 ft. (670 m) per minute
Initial climb (P-61C & F-15): 3,000 ft. (914 m) per minute
Service Ceiling (P-61A & B): 33,000 ft. (10,060 m)
Service Ceiling (P-61C & F-15): 41,000 ft. (12,500 m)
Range - Max. Fuel (P-61A): 500 Miles (2360 km)
Range - Max. Fuel (P-61B & C): 2,800 Miles (4500 km)
Range - Max. Fuel (F-15): 4,000 Miles (6440 km)
ARMAMENTS:
Four 20mm M-2 Cannon in belly, fixed forward.
Plus
Electric Dorsal turret with four .50 machine guns, remotely controlled
from front or rear sight station and fired by pilot.
(in first 37 A's, last 250 B's and all C's)
Plus (B & C Only)
Wing racks for 6,400 lb. ordnance load.
F-15 carried no armament.
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COMMENTS: The P-61 was the first U.S. aircraft designed from the beginning as a night fighter, the Black Widow was a result of the experience of the RAF with radar equipped fighters. The first P-61's entered service with the 18th Fighter Group in the South Pacific and sooned gained successes there as well as in Europe.
Any thoughts??
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Seconded, love the look of the 61.
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I'll add in a third i like it before the obvious "we have no night" posts
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Oh I'm sure there will be "theres no night post". Its so pretty and 4 20mms. I love it!
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We have no night!
But yeah, I still like this bird.
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Very neat fighter. With its 6,400lb ord load, four Hispanos, durability and agility it would see a lot of use in AH. Probably a lot of pilot wounds too as it is twin engined. The WWII versions were the A and B, so it might lack the raw performance that people expect of it.
I'd love to see it eventually, but I think there are more important things to add first.
As to the lack of night, frankly, I don't give a damn. The P-61B, Mosquito NF.30 and He219 would all be nice additions that would see use in AH. The first two were also used during the day quite a bit.
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so its better then a P-38? :confused:
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Originally posted by Wes14
so its better then a P-38? :confused:
Depends on your goal. If your goal is to shoot down other fighters, no, it isn't. It tops out at 366mph compared with the P-38's 414mph. If your goal is to blow stuff up on the ground or kill bombers, then yes, it is better.
P-38 is still dang good at those jobs too.
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From what I've read, the P-61 seems to be an excellent multirole plane. Of course thats just reading since I've never flown one. Anyway, thats my next pick for the next plane. Its very unique.
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Nice lines, shining example of American ingenuity.:aok
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Nice lines, shining example of American ingenuity.:aok
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6400 lbs of ord. That's more than half of the bombers we have ;)
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Originally posted by 5PointOh
I'd like to also add in the P-61 Black Widow. Its a gorgeous plane, and we really don't have that many twin engine fighters.
(http://www.knowledgerush.com/wiki_image/4/4f/Northrop_P-61.jpg)
Heres some stats that I found at http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org
GENERAL INFORMATION:
Type:
P-61: Three-seat Night Fighter
F-15: Two-seat strategic reconaissance
Manufacturer: Northrop
Models: P-61A thru C, F-15 (RF-61C) Reporter
First Flight: May 21, 1942 (XP-61)
Service Delivery:
May 1944 (P-61A)
1946 (F-15A)
Final Delivery: N/A
Total Produced: 941 (plus 35 photo-recon versions)
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POWERPLANT:
Model: Pratt & Whitney R-2800 Double Wasp
Type: 18-Cyl 2-Row Radials
Horsepower (P-61A): 2,000hp R-2800-10
Horsepower (P-61B): 2,000hp R-2800-65
Horsepower (P-61C and F-15): 2,800hp R-2800-73
FUEL:
Capacity: N/A
Type: N/A
DIMENSIONS:
Wing span: 20.12m (66 ft.)
Length (P-61A): 14.92m (48 ft. 11 in.)
Length (P-61B & C): 15.1m (49 ft. 7 in.)
Length (F-15): 15.3m (50 ft. 3 in.)
Height: 4.49m (14 ft. 8 in.)
Wing Surface Area: N/A
WEIGHTS:
Empty (Typical P-61): 10,886kg (24,000 lbs.)
Empty (F-15): 9,979kg (22,000 lbs.)
Maximum, Loaded (P-61A): 14,696kg (32,400 lbs.)
Maximum, Loaded (P-61B): 17,237kg (38,000 lbs.)
Maximum, Loaded (P-61C): 18,280kg (40,300 lbs.)
Maximum, Clean (F-15): 12,700kg (28,000 lbs.)
PERFORMANCE:
Maximum Speed (P-61A & B): 366 mph (590 km/h)
Maximum Speed (P-61C): 430 mph (692 km/h)
Maximum Speed (F-15): 440 mph (708 km/h)
Initial climb (P-61A & B): 2,200 ft. (670 m) per minute
Initial climb (P-61C & F-15): 3,000 ft. (914 m) per minute
Service Ceiling (P-61A & B): 33,000 ft. (10,060 m)
Service Ceiling (P-61C & F-15): 41,000 ft. (12,500 m)
Range - Max. Fuel (P-61A): 500 Miles (2360 km)
Range - Max. Fuel (P-61B & C): 2,800 Miles (4500 km)
Range - Max. Fuel (F-15): 4,000 Miles (6440 km)
ARMAMENTS:
Four 20mm M-2 Cannon in belly, fixed forward.
Plus
Electric Dorsal turret with four .50 machine guns, remotely controlled
from front or rear sight station and fired by pilot.
(in first 37 A's, last 250 B's and all C's)
Plus (B & C Only)
Wing racks for 6,400 lb. ordnance load.
F-15 carried no armament.
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COMMENTS: The P-61 was the first U.S. aircraft designed from the beginning as a night fighter, the Black Widow was a result of the experience of the RAF with radar equipped fighters. The first P-61's entered service with the 18th Fighter Group in the South Pacific and sooned gained successes there as well as in Europe.
Any thoughts??
i killed P-38s before, i'll kill P-61 when we get it :D
joke off
although it is a neat aircraft, i don't think the P-38 will still out perform it in every way possible. sure 6,400lb of ord is a lot, but if you can't get ord to the target, then what's the point? if a P-61 get jumped with its ord, it won't have much of a chance. already, i can name 10 other plane that will out-perform this yank.
unless the some noob is stupid enough to HO it.
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Originally posted by titanic3
unless the some noob is stupid enough to HO it.
I have yet to find an aircraft in this game that a noob won't ho with.
I had one HO me with his A6M, I was in a 110-G... needless to say he didn't get the chance to HO anyone else that sortie
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Originally posted by titanic3
i killed P-38s before, i'll kill P-61 when we get it :D
joke off
although it is a neat aircraft, i don't think the P-38 will still out perform it in every way possible. sure 6,400lb of ord is a lot, but if you can't get ord to the target, then what's the point? if a P-61 get jumped with its ord, it won't have much of a chance. already, i can name 10 other plane that will out-perform this yank.
unless the some noob is stupid enough to HO it.
I can name a lot of planes in this game that are cannon fodder with ord hanging on them. Its not my intention to wish for a plane that would replace the 38, I'd just like to see a plane that has multi uses (and the 6400 ord rating didn't hurt either) Besides look at those lines. :)
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:aok Looks like a cool bird!
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Of course we know we dont have night. Some of the planes we have are night aircraft, or atleast they were used a good bit of the time in the night. Lancasters, 110's, P-38's, F4U's were all used at night. But yet, we have them in the game. I say we deffently get the P-61 Black Widow. Its a awsome aircraft, and will get alot of use. Good speed, good weapons, and good bomb load. Deffently a plane that we can use. :aok
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I'm curious what Mr. WideWing would know about the P-61, he has a plethera of knowledge.:aok
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Originally posted by 5PointOh
I'm curious what Mr. WideWing would know about the P-61, he has a plethera of knowledge.:aok
(http://a6.vox.com/6a00c225221765549d00cd97031c0e4cd5-500pi)
what is a plethora?
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Perhaps vast would have been better term. Plus I should have spelled plethora right.:aok Btw I love the Pony pic. :aok
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I have asked for the P-61 before, but have been ridiculed every time for it. But yeah it would be great at killing buffs, as well as attacking ground targets.
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Originally posted by 5PointOh
Perhaps vast would have been better term. Plus I should have spelled plethora right.:aok Btw I love the Pony pic. :aok
My buddy at work plays with a sound board all day and thats his favorite scene from the movie. Thanks, found and croped it to fit.
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Originally posted by DaddyAck
I have asked for the P-61 before, but have been ridiculed every time for it. But yeah it would be great at killing buffs, as well as attacking ground targets.
We shall start the lobbying for the P-61. The alliance has been formed!
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Excellent target and jabo. Pretty far down on my wishlist but id still grin if we got it.
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It was either this or the A26. My A26 was beat in the last election, so I moved on to something that has a 6400lbs load out. Plus it looks cool in black!:aok
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Originally posted by 5PointOh
It was either this or the A26. My A26 was beat in the last election, so I moved on to something that has a 6400lbs load out. Plus it looks cool in black!:aok
As long as you wash it 5Point. Black is really hard to keep clean. Don't forget to use the best brand of prop wash that you can find!:aok
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My F250 is black. Oh how I hate to wash that thing.
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Will also ways my vote, do not forget with the turret it could also defend itself while in a dive.
But, if you think a p38 makes a large target, this thing is WAY bigger.
Also has 3 people in it.
Id hit it :)
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Originally posted by 5PointOh
My F250 is black. Oh how I hate to wash that thing.
Try Mr Clean Car wash system. Friend of mine uses it for his Black ZO6 and SS
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love the bird it looks beautiful and it's stats are quite good for a twin engine fighter/attack with 1600 LBS of ordy on it
I'd still like to see the p39 first but this is def. on my list :]
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A26 was a better ground attack plane then the B25 ever was. just more people heard of the B25 becuase it was first to mount 75.
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Originally posted by jtdragon
A26 was a better ground attack plane then the B25 ever was. just more people heard of the B25 becuase it was first to mount 75.
Not to mention the B-25 only served in WWII for about four and a half years longer than the A-26. The B-25 was a very good choice last vote, though I did vote for the P-39 and will next time.
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I love the airplane as well but whay have it if we do not have night fighting and thats what its primary goal was. with 8 .50 cals, dam would it be fun to shoot somthing down with it, but it was only ment for the primary was killing nightfighters such as the "ooho" and such.
Yes but no
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Well we do have dusk. :aok
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Originally posted by 5PointOh
Well we do have dusk. :aok
Dusk is not good enough for fighting night fighters, as I said great plane, but not meant for this game, unless we have night, then I am all for it:)
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im completly for it dude the p-61 (i belive) was the most armored plane in wwii
it would be cool to have something like that
i waz just bout to make a post like this
:noid
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Originally posted by beau32
Of course we know we dont have night. Some of the planes we have are night aircraft, or atleast they were used a good bit of the time in the night. Lancasters, 110's, P-38's, F4U's were all used at night.
Bad examples. None of those aircraft you listed have night versions in the game.
ack-ack
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No, but they COULD be added.
The REAL question we have would be how to simulate the radar.
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I really wasn't concerned about the radar, considering we have a clip board with radar. I love the look of the plane, it has very unique lines, and the 4 20mm help a lot too.
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Still, I'd like to see some sort of advantage go to the night fighters if HTC does integrate night. Enough aircraft already in the game had night-fighter variants, not to mention specialty jobs like the Black Widow, that most everyone should have a night-fighter they'd be content to fly if the on-board radar was somehow put into effect.
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Bad examples. None of those aircraft you listed have night versions in the game.
He was saying that they had night Version in real life.
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I really don't think it needs a radar advantage over other planes. 6400lbs of ords, and a great gun package=Drop 2 hangers and enjoy the furball afterwards.:aok
Here is a couple blurbs about the P-61, just some interesting notes.
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The P-61 was not the most glamorous airplane of WWII. It also wasn’t the fastest, biggest, most produced, or had the highest number of kills. It did, however, have one job to do, and it did that job very well, hence the nickname “Black Widow”. It also sported a unique design, much like the P-38, which resulted in a very nice looking airplane.
The Black Widow concept began early in the war as the USAAF generals started to realize the importance of the British RADAR systems. The goal was to have a hunter/killer airplane that could fly at night and track down its prey using RADAR. Early airborne radar units were large, heavy, and power hungry. And they used antennas that looked a lot like big clunky outdoor TV antennas. As RADAR was further refined, the sets got smaller, and a version emerged that used a small parabolic dish. This would be perfect for installing in a medium twin-engined fighter aircraft. Thus was born the P-61 project.
The P-61 was a twin-boom airplane, with the engines at the front of each boom, and the tail and rudders at the back end of the booms. A pod on the centerline of the plane housed the cockpit, radar, a navigator/radar operator, and gunner. The nose of the Black Widow was fiberglass, and the radar dish sat inside the nose. The P-61 was outfitted with (2) Pratt & Whitney R-2800 Double Wasp engines, 18 cylinders each, with an output of 2000 HP per engine. Later versions of the P-61 saw that horsepower level increased to 2800 HP per engine. That increase in power boosted top speed from around 366MPH up to 440MPH. The Black Widow had a 66-foot wing span, was about 50-feet long, and sat 14-foot 8-inches tall. She weighed in at 24,000 pounds empty, and could carry an additional 16,000 pounds of payload and fuel. The offensive sting was powerful...(4) 50-caliber machine guns and (4) 20mm cannons.
The P-61 benefited from being developed later during the war. As a result, it was a very polished and refined airplane. It had a lot of automation for its day, and could literally fly itself into the air once the takeoff run was started. Pilots tell me that one could make a turn into a dead engine, something that would be suicidal in most other airplanes.
The Black Widow did not have an overwhelming number of kills in WWII. The reason is that it came along rather late in the war, and by that time, the AXIS partners had little left to throw at the Allies. If someone did dare to take to the skies under the cover of darkness, and a P-61 was nearby, they were as good as toast.
A total of 941 P-61’s were built in three models, the P-61A, P-61B, and the more powerful P-61C. In addition, 35 F-15 photo recon variants were produced. Today, only 3 survive as complete airframes, one is undergoing restoration, and one is known to survive in China
Quoted from:
http://www.visi.com/~jweeks/p61/index.html
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P-61s were used in daylight. All late war Allied nightfighters were due to a lack of targets at night.
But people hoping for 400+mph will be disappointed, those were postwar.
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Even at 366 shes still a quick bird
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I would love the p61, it would be great to have a plane with 4 x 20mm that I as the pilot can use to shred things, while one of my buddies could use the 4 x .50cals in the turet to help shred or defend. :D Plus she is not too terribly slow for her size. :aok
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Unite my brothers for a plane that would be useful in AH:aok :rofl
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Yep, the P-61 is the only plane I'd put in front of those we need for events.
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What events might those be...perhaps something in the dark?:aok
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Originally posted by 5PointOh
What events might those be...perhaps something in the dark?:aok
with a room, a bed and chicks?
http://www.smm.org/buzz/media/images/chickens_0.jpg
yes i meant those chicks, eating them in your bed at night, watching TV.
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I'm united with 5.0 for the p61, as well as world peace.
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Originally posted by titanic3
with a room, a bed and chicks?
http://www.smm.org/buzz/media/images/chickens_0.jpg
yes i meant those chicks, eating them in your bed at night, watching TV.
lol
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Oh god yes.... P-61 has been my favorite fighter since I was a kid. It was so ahead of it's time it was crazy. Plus it's dead sexy in black....
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It would be a great add. I have always loved this plane. :aok
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Loogs like we got ourselves a P.61 campeighn forming up here. :D
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Originally posted by DaddyAck
Loogs like we got ourselves a P.61 campeighn forming up here. :D
Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil!!
(http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/9601/p61x.jpg)
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red legs seems to me that you like to cut down alot of people just cause you are 15 years old. i heard ya cutting down bearing for no reason, you just get in a mob rule. bearing is alive and well, and has more support than dweebs that post all this crap in BB. denholm is a computer, whisky flask at hand disregard the idiot
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Originally posted by spexia
red legs seems to me that you like to cut down alot of people just cause you are 15 years old. i heard ya cutting down bearing for no reason, you just get in a mob rule. bearing is alive and well, and has more support than dweebs that post all this crap in BB. denholm is a computer, whisky flask at hand disregard the idiot
sorry Bearing3.
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redlegs you are a good kid
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Skuzzy<----------Owns Bearing3
:t
(sorry for the hijack, carry on)
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PS, if we were to get the P61, lets not add it to the H2H arena. Oh wait its closed:aok
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the P 61 was a great not fast but nice