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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: wrag on September 16, 2007, 10:13:50 AM
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Hmmmm...............
Article says the teacher has already renounced his claim to U.S. citizenship....
http://mensnewsdaily.com/2007/09/16/history-teacher-asks-14-year-olds-to-renounce-us-citizenship/
so do the people living there with children attending that school want a NON-U.S. citizen teaching their children?
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Did this lefty renounce his salary too? I saw no mention of that in the article, what a silly hypocrite. He should go live in this free global society that he has claimed for himself, wherever the heck that is.
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Well I believe that an American Citizenship or possibly a resident alien documentation is a requirement to teach. Since this guy is renouncing his citizenship he likely is renouncing his job. I think he should go live in a progressive country like iran or north korea.
Frankly even for the peoples democratic repulik of kalifornia this story is a bit over the top. I am not sure I'd buy that the Principle is supporting the teacher in this. I think there has possibly been some creative writing done on the story. I'd like to see it from a more balanced source before I believe it's true.
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Yeah, it reads like a subsidiary of the National Enquirer. But, having had the misfortune of spending a day in Chico about 20 years ago, I wouldn't be surprised if it's true. I distinctly remember being surrounded by tie-dyed shirts and bell bottoms.
I couldn't even buy gas without the cash resister guy rambling on about magnets and special water carburetors that got 6 billion miles per gallon, but the inventor was murdered by the government...
Just give me my change, damn it. I have to get out of here.
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Chico is basically a college town. Chico State has always been known as THE party school in California. Chico also has one of the biggest and best city parks in the world running right through the center of town.
I didn't read the article, but I do know Chico a little.
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Reached at home, the teacher said his U.S. History class is studying the Declaration of Independence, and he decided to write a letter putting the document into modern language. His intention, he said, was to send it home for parents to review, and possibly discuss with their children.
He concluded the letter with "After careful consideration of the facts of our current situation, I have decided to announce to everyone that I am no longer a citizen of the United States, but a free and independent member of the global community."
"The point was, I wanted to ask parents if they would sign such a letter if conditions that existed prior to the Revolution were happening now," he said. "I just wanted to start a discussion."
Much ado about nothing ...again.
http://www.chicoer.com/news/ci_6879506
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Much ado about nothing ...again.
Pretty much describes Kalifornia imo.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Did this lefty renounce his salary too? I saw no mention of that in the article, what a silly hypocrite. He should go live in this free global society that he has claimed for himself, wherever the heck that is.
Ask him.
mbrooks@chicousd.org
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Deport him. Remember the old story of the man without a country?
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Originally posted by FBBone
Ask him.
mbrooks@chicousd.org
Why bother? I think he's beyond hope. I bet he didn't renounce his voting rights either, whaddya think?
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What a pinhead, apparently he can't wait till 2008 :rolleyes:
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That website looks like a right wingers wet dream on steriods. I'm suprised there aren't articles of about Ronald Regan being alive and in hiding because liberal hippies declaired a jihad on him.
(http://www.welched.com/temp/george-bush.jpg)
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Did anyone actually read the second article posted? The original one is left out a whole mess of details. It was just being used so the writer could complain about the school systems.
If you read the second one it explains that it was part of a lesson plan that just went too far. It is understandble what he was trying to do, get his students interested in the class. He just went way overboard with it.
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Originally posted by crockett
That website looks like a right wingers wet dream on steriods. I'm suprised there aren't articles of about Ronald Regan being alive and in hiding because liberal hippies declaired a jihad on him.
Wet Dream? You must believe right wingers don't already see a lot of left wingers as anxious to renounce their alignment with the US and join the "global community". MT was right about this being something about nothing though I wouldn't really call it "much" ado but the "again" comment definitely fits.
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Originally posted by Ichthyologist
Did anyone actually read the second article posted? The original one is left out a whole mess of details. It was just being used so the writer could complain about the school systems.
If you read the second one it explains that it was part of a lesson plan that just went too far. It is understandble what he was trying to do, get his students interested in the class. He just went way overboard with it.
The second article was mostly about the teacher's and school's response to the parent's outrage. No where therein does it refute the teacher's renouncing his citizenship.
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It seems to be saying that the only reason he said that was to create disscusion. I doesn't seem like he really meant anything he said, he was just posing a hypothetical scenario. That is a common thing for history teachers to do, it helps the students relate to the material better. But I agree that he did go over the line with it and does deserve some kind of punishment for it. I am not a school administrator, nor do I know anything about what they could do to him, but something is in order.
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Here we see the difference between an academic exercise and the real world. The original revolutionaries stood by their beliefs and moral convictions unto death for many. This teacher blames it on a misunderstanding when he is called to account for his anti-administration stance. I guess he is brave when posturing before 14 year olds but when faced with adults, not so much.
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thought it might be a good time for this
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/12/oreilly-easter/
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Originally posted by Ichthyologist
It seems to be saying that the only reason he said that was to create disscusion. I doesn't seem like he really meant anything he said, he was just posing a hypothetical scenario. That is a common thing for history teachers to do, it helps the students relate to the material better. But I agree that he did go over the line with it and does deserve some kind of punishment for it. I am not a school administrator, nor do I know anything about what they could do to him, but something is in order.
Wondering what part of the lesson plan involved forcing parents to sign
the letter? Or was that to get the parents to relate to their children's
material better as well?
Not that I expect much from "educators", but yes, this does indeed
"cross the line".
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Originally posted by PanzerIV
thought it might be a good time for this
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/12/oreilly-easter/
Though some are in denial there was most definitely a move among many retailers to make the Christmas shopping season generic. This has largely been defeated by public opposition. Of course none of the retailers want to admit they were opposed to the will of their shoppers which means you won't find them openly admitting it.
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Originally posted by Rino
Wondering what part of the lesson plan involved forcing parents to sign
the letter? Or was that to get the parents to relate to their children's
material better as well?
Not that I expect much from "educators", but yes, this does indeed
"cross the line".
The parents were not forced to sign it. They were ASKED to sign it. It appears what he wanted from that was to see how many people would do it in the hypothetical scenario, which would in someway be incorporated into the disscusion. I can't be sure as to this being the reason why, but it does appear to me as that is what his intentions were.
I can understand your distrust of teachers, especially if you have been out of school for a while. Today's teachers are, for the most part, much better than those who taught 10 or more years ago. Schools have become more selective of who they allow to teach. There are still some really bad teachers out there, primarily in vastly underfunded school districts, but they are far out numbered by those who genuinly care about the students they are teaching.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Wet Dream? You must believe right wingers don't already see a lot of left wingers as anxious to renounce their alignment with the US and join the "global community". MT was right about this being something about nothing though I wouldn't really call it "much" ado but the "again" comment definitely fits.
Yea just the same as there aren't any right wingers whom want to blow up federal buildings and bomb abortion clinics in the name of Jesus.
You want to cherry pick lefties I guess we can cherry pick righties..
I haven't heard of too many Liberal home grown terrorists, yet we see it quite a bit on the Conservative side of the fence now don't we.
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Originally posted by crockett
Yea just the same as there aren't any right wingers whom want to blow up federal buildings and bomb abortion clinics in the name of Jesus.
You want to cherry pick lefties I guess we can cherry pick righties..
I haven't heard of too many Liberal home grown terrorists, yet we see it quite a bit on the Conservative side of the fence now don't we.
Abortion clinics yes, federal buildings no. Some consider blowing up an abortion clinic a small measure to take against the murder of millions of babies. Whatshisname didn't blow up the federal building in Oklahoma for Jesus.
However I will agree and as I mentioned before, some are more willing to take action and endure hardship for their convictions. I won't argue that this isn't one of the distinguishing characteristics between conservatives and liberals.
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Iron, he didn't renounce his citizenhip, he made a project out of the Declaration of Independence and was trying to show his students the gravity of the Declaration at its time in history by relating it to something current. Holy crap man, I even get it and I'm not in 8th grade anymore.
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He's free to make a jack-*** out of himself, just like the rest of us.
*edit* removed the cursing before skuzzy strolled by.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Iron, he didn't renounce his citizenhip, he made a project out of the Declaration of Independence and was trying to show his students the gravity of the Declaration at its time in history by relating it to something current. Holy crap man, I even get it and I'm not in 8th grade anymore.
I know that's his story now that he has been challenged. Claiming that innocent people were kidnapped and tortured at Guantanamo leads me to believe he was serious in his tantrum.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I know that's his story now that he has been challenged. Claiming that innocent people were kidnapped and tortured at Guantanamo leads me to believe he was serious in his tantrum.
It seemed to me as if that part of the story was just to build up the situation that he was project, not that he really thinks that it happens. Again he was wrong in doing it as it was taken too seriously by the students. As the article says one girl burst into tears talking about it. I think that he was really just trying to set the students and parents into the mindset of a colonist.
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Originally posted by Ichthyologist
It seemed to me as if that part of the story was just to build up the situation that he was project, not that he really thinks that it happens. Again he was wrong in doing it as it was taken too seriously by the students. As the article says one girl burst into tears talking about it. I think that he was really just trying to set the students and parents into the mindset of a colonist.
I understand this and I know it's possible, I just don't buy it. I think he's too chickens*** to stand up for what he believes in.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I understand this and I know it's possible, I just don't buy it. I think he's too chickens*** to stand up for what he believes in.
That is very possible.
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
Deport him. Remember the old story of the man without a country?
:rofl We cant even deport the pople here that have a country but wont frikin stay in it. 1 nutjob teacher in califruitcakonia wont get a sniff.
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Parent Michael Hill of Chico tells reporters, "The lesson being taught in class was that the U.S. kidnaps innocent people and takes them to Cuba, where they are kept indefinitely and tortured."
i'm not in favor of him renouncing his citizenship (though I can see how it could be used in the academic exercise that is noted in the second article)...
But this is what cracks me up about the whole thing... Some people here are outraged that this guy is supposedly renouncing his citizenship... yet I have yet to hear any outrage over our governments behavior in regards to "enemy combatants" many of whom are in-fact innocent and have been kidnapped by the United States, held indefinitely, and "Rendered" by various intelligence agencies.
Out of the two issues presented in the article, I know which one bothers me the most. (At least I have the power to contradict a whack job to my kids, where as I have no apparent power over my governments ability to kidnap and torture).
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There is something surreal about having to defend the idea that holding people indefinitely without charges and torture is wrong.
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Originally posted by Rolex
There is something surreal about having to defend the idea that holding people indefinitely without charges and torture is wrong.
Who is saying that it isn't?
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Originally posted by Rolex
There is something surreal about having to defend the idea that holding people indefinitely without charges and torture is wrong.
What's not surreal but rather idiocy is releasing enemy combatants only to face them again on the same battlefield which has in fact happened in Afghanistan. I take exception with those who claim we are holding and torturing innocents on two counts. Those taken prisoner on the battlefield aren't innocent and we aren't torturing them.
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This Guantanamo drivel gets very old.
Guantanamo holds over 500 prisoners in all. Since the start of operations against Afghanistan and Iraq, more then two hundred of those being held under suspicion of being terrorists have been released when investigations proved their innocence.
The accusations of torture have proven to be, after official inquiries have been made, to be unfounded.
Hold our present government in contempt for any one of a number of reasons if you must, but stating that any normal, competent U.S. official promotes the use of torture is despicable.
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Originally posted by crockett
I haven't heard of too many Liberal home grown terrorists, yet we see it quite a bit on the Conservative side of the fence now don't we.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eco-terrorism
Bet a bunch of right wingers in the listed groups ehh?
:noid :noid :noid
Bronk
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Originally posted by Bronk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eco-terrorism
Bet a bunch of right wingers in the listed groups ehh?
:noid :noid :noid
Bronk
Oh yea I forgot out the tree hugger's whom spike trees and so on try to save animals..
"The FBI in 2001 named the ELF as "one of the most active extremist elements in the United States", and a "terrorist threat".[4] Some of these websites openly advocate tactics including arson, graffiti, vandalism and property destruction. Through their actions millions of dollars of homes, equipment, and research have been willfully destroyed by ALF and ELF operations, although they publicly disavow harm to humans or animals."
Hardly the same as blowing up federal buildings, robbing banks to support their cause and blowing up abortion clinics IMO.
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Originally posted by crockett
Oh yea I forgot out the tree hugger's whom spike trees and so on try to save animals..
"The FBI in 2001 named the ELF as "one of the most active extremist elements in the United States", and a "terrorist threat".[4] Some of these websites openly advocate tactics including arson, graffiti, vandalism and property destruction. Through their actions millions of dollars of homes, equipment, and research have been willfully destroyed by ALF and ELF operations, although they publicly disavow harm to humans or animals."
Hardly the same as blowing up federal buildings, robbing banks to support their cause and blowing up abortion clinics IMO.
I see it's not bad to burn down a building but blow it up its a bad thing.
Right, which way to the DNC headquarters? Lets test your theory out.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
On a serious note.
Way to be, apologist. Unlike you I wont deny he fact there are nut jobs that are conservative. Here's the thing they're not nut jobs because they are conservative, there just nut jobs.
You on the other hand will make up excuses for your's.
"It's not the same thing./ It's not as bad as."
It's that mentality that keeps the 2 sides from finding a middle ground.
Chit man you just downplayed arson because it was for a good cause.
Bronk
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Innocents at Getmo?? Who here knows they are innocent.... who here will step up to the plate and take these so called poor souls into their home when they are released.
In reality all anyone on these boards knows for sure is what the blantantly ignorant news hounds feed you.
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Originally posted by Shuffler
Innocents at Getmo?? Who here knows they are innocent.... who here will step up to the plate and take these so called poor souls into their home when they are released.
In reality all anyone on these boards knows for sure is what the blantantly ignorant news hounds feed you.
Innocent or not, no one here knows. But, there ARE people in Getmo that have YET to have charges filed against them. That has been well documented. That particular fact goes against our core belief of Habeas Corpus. Just because someone was in any place of combat does not make them a combatant.
We've come full circle from the Nuremburg Trials, where we were the allied power that DEMANDED Nazis be tried for their crimes, instead of simply taking them out of their cell and executing them or just throwing away the key to their cells, like the Russians and most Brits wanted to do.
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Get the other side to stop attacking and I'll throw in with those wanting the enemy combatants turned loose. We didn't release any Nazis so long as the fighting endured.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Get the other side to stop attacking and I'll throw in with those wanting the enemy combatants turned loose. We didn't release any Nazis so long as the fighting endured.
There was a difference between a Nazi and an average German citizen... just as there is a difference between a Terrorist and a Muslim. Lets not forget that.
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Originally posted by DYNAMITE
There was a difference between a Nazi and an average German citizen... just as there is a difference between a Terrorist and a Muslim. Lets not forget that.
I would allow the average Nazi more latitude than the average terrorist. I believe that only God should judge people by the content of their hearts, men should judge only by actions. I believe those we have imprisoned are there for their actions and even at that it is not punitive but rather to avoid having to kill or be killed by them.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Get the other side to stop attacking and I'll throw in with those wanting the enemy combatants turned loose. We didn't release any Nazis so long as the fighting endured.
Dang we could have held those Nazis much longer if we had only invaded Sweden in 1946.... I mean, there were documented meetings between Sweden and Germany! We missed our chance.
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A slight difference was that the Germans all stopped fighting. Can you imagine what it would have been like if we had to end WW2 by invading Japan. I imagine it would make iraq look like a walk in the park.
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That swooshing noise was the point...sailing over your head.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
That swooshing noise was the point...sailing over your head.
Not me, I never trusted those Swedes. All those blond jokes to lull us into complacency. Only to awaken to the disappearance of Italian meatballs with those poor imitation Swedish meatballs substituted at every corner Ikea. Wake up America!
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No, not you. I agree completely on the swedish meatball conspiracy. Those things aren't even food.
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If it was to be a history lesson then taxation and gun control and search and seizure and other human rights that the government are violating would be the reasons given to "renounce citizenship" a revolution... but not because the country isn't socialist enough or because it jails foreign fighters.
The constitution is being destroyed as are our rights... that would be the reason to throw the bums out and start over.
lazs