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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GtoRA2 on September 18, 2007, 10:36:19 AM
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This video wont help him if he is. (http://www.youtube.com/jp.swf?video_id=6bVa6jn4rpE&eurl=&iurl=http%3A//img.youtube.com/vi/6bVa6jn4rpE/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskKqBE0Pv8ABiiyW11B5mvDA)
To be fair it does sound like Kerry says he wants to answer the question and school security went overboard.
But it does sound like the kid was looking for trouble too.
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If it was an open public forum, the kid had a right to ask any questions he had.
The Gestapo obviously did not like it and therefore tried to remove the voice. I suspect that a rather large and incovenient lawsuit is going to come out of that episode. Furthermore, the fact that the other people just sat back and watched the Gestapo wrongfully try to haul someone off is further proof of the sheep mentality of this country.
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Depends what source you read. A few of them said that it was a lecture, the kid grabbed somebody's mic from them, and started berating the people.
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I would be nice if I understood or could make out the question, try to figure out what the trigger was that set everybody off... I was all on his side until he started begging and crying....I'll have to do some looking and see if this was a recent event or old news. It says 9/17/2007
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Wow....they even took out weapons....I would like to know more info on this...I have yet to see 4 cops 'supervise' what is being said in the interview/lecture.
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some info. He was tasered, well that explains the crying at the end. It would appear his only crime was exceeding his alloted time at the microphone...
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hfZBulx_H-prruRU2Clj0dIgUOww
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297126,00.html
http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2007/09/17/968858-student-arrested-tasered-at-kerry-event
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He had asked his questions during his alloted time. He kept on rambling after being told his time was up. His microphone was turned off. He gets visibly upset and emotional. He refuses to let others speak. He is asked to step away. He refuses. He then resists arrest. He then gets the tazer.
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He got what he deserved.
If he feared the tazer so much then should have taken the hint to shut up and leave when they turned the microphone off.
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or he should take up aikido and steven segal the rentacops
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I'm all for tazering of people who ramble on past their alloted time. I think we should extend this policy to politicians, insurance salesmen, preachers, United Way spokespersons, and actors and musicians who blather on about anything other than acting and music.
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Even if he was out of time and was aked to leave by the speaker, it doesn't give the cops the right to instantly grab him and drag him out. Why didn't they ask him to leave with them? THEN if he refused they would have had the right to grab him and drag him out.
I bet they were campus cops which is just about as bad as rent-a-cops.
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i hope they are all fired and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
i hate cops on power trips.
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http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hfZBulx_H-prruRU2Clj0dIgUOww
i love the insta- slander the media starts in with at the end of the article. what about the 2 cops on admin leave? what's their background like? they ever pinch someone just to hurt them?
speak out against the man and ye shall be B!@#$ slapped
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Originally posted by Tango
Even if he was out of time and was aked to leave by the speaker, it doesn't give the cops the right to instantly grab him and drag him out. Why didn't they ask him to leave with them?
They did, didn't you watch the video? He keeps on rambling, "what did I do?, what did I do?". I have the feeling his intention all along was to disrupt the meeting and bait the cops into doing exactly what they did.
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"We're absolutely committed to having a safe environment for our faculty and our students so that a free exchange of ideas can occur," Machen said.
:rofl
I just love how advanced society we've become and finally figured out that no free exchange occurs without protection of black and brown uniforms...
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
They did, didn't you watch the video? He keeps on rambling, "what did I do?, what did I do?". I have the feeling his intention all along was to disrupt the meeting and bait the cops into doing exactly what they did.
Yes I did watch the video. I watched the cops immediately go up to him and grab him. How would you feel if you had cops come up behind you and instead of saying " Sir, please come with us" they grab you and wrestle you down?
Did you watch the video and hear Kerry say he would answer the question? Now if he was doing anything to justify the cops coming up and grabbing him like that I doubt that Kerry would have been interested in answering the question.
If he was disturbing the event they are to ask him to leave. Turning off the mic was the first step, but the cops jumped right top the last resort instead.
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Originally posted by jhookt
i hate cops on power trips.
I hate people who blather on and on about God knows what and don't get to the question. I have just one question:
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My question is: [taser]What have I done? Am I being arrested?[/Taser] Help! Help! I'm Being Repressed! You saw him repressing me, didn't you?
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
My question is: [taser]What have I done? Am I being arrested?[/Taser] Help! Help! I'm Being Repressed! You saw him repressing me, didn't you?
Blah, question supposed to be why we need Gestapo at such event?
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Watch for yourselves,
The kid gets hosed, Then in the second video the cops tell him his been arrested for starting a riot.:eek:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE&mode=related&search=
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3ec_1190097717&p=1
the cops are going to hate the fact these kids have camera phones.
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Blah, question supposed to be why we need Gestapo at such event?
Apparently because of people like Andrew Meyer. Reading the blogs and BBS from the UF area this guy is a well-known nutbag. He was confronted by police before entering the building and was told that if he disrupted the forum or made any sorts of threat to the Senator he would be arrested. He barged in anyway and bolted straight to the microphone and started going off (according to Kerry himself).
Search YouTube for the unedited version of his ranting and you will understand why they tried to escort him from the building (after turning off the microphone did not work).
From Facebook:
"This isn't a free speech issue. This is the issue of a 21 year-old with too many conspiracy theory websites under his belt screaming at a senator for no good reason. The University of Florida has full right to control a person who has taken it upon himself to start a two hour sermon against the big scary machine that he's raging against."
"coming from someone who was there, it was COMPLETELY justified."
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Here's another:
"The disturbance did not begin with Andrew asking the question. He caused quite a scene by bursting into the room in the middle of Q+A, rudely interrupting Kerry answering another question (what was supposed to be the last one), and demanding to be heard. The cops followed him in (I have the feeling he had been giving them a hard time outside as well)
John Kerry responded by asking him to calm down and wait his turn, that his question would be answered next.
As some of the videos show, his question was long and rambling without much focus, less of a question if you will than an outburst. John Kerry remained calm, tried to guide him to the direct question he would like answered, but Andrew continued. After Accent cut his mike off, the cops tried to guide him out and as you can all see the real event began.
I was sitting in the back row of the auditorium- less than 5 feet from where he was restrained and ended up being tasered. (you can see my green shirt next to my friend in the striped shirt on most of the videos) He WAS NOT handcuffed yet when they did it. He was still attempting to get up and resist the police officers and would not put his hands behind his back.
Within close range, I have to say that I didn't feel it was the safest situation. I did not feel like they had him under control at all- and was scared that if he did manage to get up- he would have started getting riled up again. I personally was in a location that if he had started flailing around again- I would have been at risk.
Now- my opinion- I think Andrew had intentions to be disruptive and was not going to leave peacefully. I am by no means a proponent of violence, but the way the UPD handled this situation was completely appropriate."
-Stephanie Sims, former UF College Democrats President
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
Here's another:
"The disturbance did not begin with Andrew asking the question. He caused quite a scene by bursting into the room in the middle of Q+A, rudely interrupting Kerry answering another question (what was supposed to be the last one), and demanding to be heard. The cops followed him in (I have the feeling he had been giving them a hard time outside as well)
John Kerry responded by asking him to calm down and wait his turn, that his question would be answered next.
As some of the videos show, his question was long and rambling without much focus, less of a question if you will than an outburst. John Kerry remained calm, tried to guide him to the direct question he would like answered, but Andrew continued. After Accent cut his mike off, the cops tried to guide him out and as you can all see the real event began.
I was sitting in the back row of the auditorium- less than 5 feet from where he was restrained and ended up being tasered. (you can see my green shirt next to my friend in the striped shirt on most of the videos) He WAS NOT handcuffed yet when they did it. He was still attempting to get up and resist the police officers and would not put his hands behind his back.
Within close range, I have to say that I didn't feel it was the safest situation. I did not feel like they had him under control at all- and was scared that if he did manage to get up- he would have started getting riled up again. I personally was in a location that if he had started flailing around again- I would have been at risk.
Now- my opinion- I think Andrew had intentions to be disruptive and was not going to leave peacefully. I am by no means a proponent of violence, but the way the UPD handled this situation was completely appropriate."
-Stephanie Sims, former UF College Democrats President
Don't let a little thing like the truth get in the way of a good anti-establishment rant. Everyone in that room was GESTAPO!!1!OnE111!!!1!
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
Search YouTube for the unedited version of his ranting and you will understand why they tried to escort him from the building (after turning off the microphone did not work).
Escort him out? Looks more like they just grabbed him and escalated the situation instead of asking him to come with them. If he refused, THEN they would have had the right to do what they did.
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
Apparently because of people like Andrew Meyer. Reading the blogs and BBS from the UF area this guy is a well-known nutbag. He was confronted by police before entering the building and was told that if he disrupted the forum or made any sorts of threat to the Senator he would be arrested. He barged in anyway and bolted straight to the microphone and started going off (according to Kerry himself).
It doesn't matter, in this case, that the kid is a "nut bag" or that he's pulled similar antics at other like gatherings; if the campus pseudo police suspected he entered the building with the intent to commit a crime, he should have been arrested for burglary at the door. The fact they allowed him to enter proves they didn't suspect he would commit a crime... even based on his alleged prior actions.
Besides that, nobody knows if the campus police had his 'facebook' google or whatever intardnet information at the time of his arrest, even if they did... all the information would have to be investigated and corroborated before it was considered valid, until then its little more that weak hearsay and hardly rises to the level of PC... if it did, like I said, he could have been arrested at the door.
Unfortunately most of what those campus cops did was perfectly 100% legal at face value, whatever "rights" you thought you had have probably been long erased by the republicans & democrats in charge. Maybe some judge will rule the "police" did not issue a "lawful" order he was legally obligated to follow (al la Waco), but I doubt it.
Look up calif 148PC, the police can arrest you for some real petty crap, like not standing up, refusing to remove sunglasses or not walking away when "ordered"... if that kid wanted to "obey" the law, he'd have laid down on the ground the instant the campus police ordered him to and allowed them to cuff & cart him off... anything else can be considered "resisting" or "obstructing".
40,000+ will go waste $$ to watch a football game, if only the same number would protest every time laws like 148PC were passed... maybe that kid wouldn't be a criminal right now.
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Illuminati :noid
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hahah...jhookt looks like a idiot.
I hate people who always think cops are on power trips.
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It's amazing the conclusions that are reached here based on anincomplete and likely edited video from folks who just might have an agenda. It is rather predictable and consistent though.
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msnbc video (http://www.break.com/index/student-tasered-at-john-kerry-speech.html)
You watch this video, and it looks as though the students cheer the cops when they originally move on this guy.
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Originally posted by Maverick
It's amazing the conclusions that are reached here based on anincomplete and likely edited video from folks who just might have an agenda. It is rather predictable and consistent though.
Not when you see the cops do nothing but grab the guys instead of talking to him. If he was being disruptive, they are to come up and ask him to leave. IF he refuses then they are allowed to use physical force, but not before hand.
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I think the rentacpos were correct in their actions. folks need to understand that others have rights as well. the kid was being disruptive, furthermore he was approaching a US senator in a somewhat out of control manner were I on that detail he would have been swept down and dragged out.
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Tango, sorry but you are misinformed. If necessary an Officer does not need to precede action with discourse particularly when in the process of observing a violation or making an arrest.
Once again, keep in mind that you are not seeing the entire situation in those clips or even what really happened other than parts of it.
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Originally posted by storch
[B he was approaching a US senator in a somewhat out of control manner were I on that detail he would have been swept down and dragged out. [/B]
I remember watching tv as a kid, and in pretty much the same situation, the cops just bum rushed the guy, and drug him out. The crowd just dismissed him as a loon, and got on with business.
This was maybe 20 years ago.
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it needs to be today as well. it is always correct to use physical force to restrain someone who is in the process of disrupting any social event if the individual will not respond to verbal warning. the guy clearly had an agenda he clearly provoked the rentacops he wanted to be tazed and on top of that he is the biggest panzy I've seen in a while. I was tazed voluntarily to feel the effect of a tazer as I was considering carrying one as an option to deadly force. it's a shock but I concluded that it was just better for me to keep my model 649 in my pocket. tazing doesn't hurt that much, the option to deadly force will remain a shuto strike to the throat.
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John Kerry had his run for the white house, unlikely he'll get another. Like Ted Kennedy though, he's royalty and unlikey to be dethroned.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Tango, sorry but you are misinformed. If necessary an Officer does not need to precede action with discourse particularly when in the process of observing a violation or making an arrest.
Once again, keep in mind that you are not seeing the entire situation in those clips or even what really happened other than parts of it.
Originally posted by Maverick
Tango, sorry but you are misinformed. If necessary an Officer does not need to precede action with discourse particularly when in the process of observing a violation or making an arrest.
Once again, keep in mind that you are not seeing the entire situation in those clips or even what really happened other than parts of it.
I saw enough to know that the officers came up behind him and didn't make any verbal contact with him. They simply grabbed him when all he was doing was talking into a mic. If he was being disruptive then they are to ask him to come along with them out of the building. Not grab him and use force unless he refuses. They never gave him a chance to comply or resist.
As for misinformed, I have a brother who is a federal officer. He said if those officers didn't approach him to leave and he wasn't showing himself as a threat, they may be seeing charges for brutality. The only time they react physically is when there is a possibility of violence. Standing there ranting like a loon holding a book isn't a threat. He didn't deserve to be jumped even if he is an idiot.
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That Moron Rhodes on the radio made it appear that he was some innocent honor student chiorboy who after helping and old woman off the podium was asking Kerry a simple question about the constitution and po disenfranchised voters, and small kittens. before he was jumped By Bush,Rove, Cheney and Ben Franklin himself and tasered for no reason.
Watching that video proved that wrong. What kinda of whiny bish crys "help! helllppp mmeeeeee!" when being drug off by the police? Plus his screaming like a pig as they tasered him.:rofl
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and the quote of the month nominee is, "don't taze me bro".
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Tango,
If your brother is a real fed LEO, not a security guard and really told you that, he's a fool. You are welcome to believe whatever you want.
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
I have the feeling his intention all along was to disrupt the meeting and bait the cops into doing exactly what they did.
The person that was video taping it, and originally released the tape, was there at the request of the guy who was tazered. So it seems that he wanted something to happen.
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Found this article (http://www.starbanner.com/article/20070918/NEWS/70918007/1053/BREAKING_NEWS) after posting
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Originally posted by Maverick
Tango,
If your brother is a real fed LEO, not a security guard and really told you that, he's a fool. You are welcome to believe whatever you want.
So you think officers are to go in using force WITHOUT trying to calm the situation down first? If they had asked him to leave with them when they cut off the mic and he refused, THEN they would be justified in force.
Yes, my brother is an I.C.E. agent.
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Originally posted by clerick
The person that was video taping it, and originally released the tape, was there at the request of the guy who was tazered. So it seems that he wanted something to happen.
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Found this article (http://www.starbanner.com/article/20070918/NEWS/70918007/1053/BREAKING_NEWS) after posting
Regardless of what he was after, the police didn't handle it right. Maybe thats why several of them are suspended.
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It seems that suspending an officer after any event like this is standard procedure. It is no indication of right or wrong on the part of these officers. Resisting arrest and being a public menace seems like cause for a tasering. If they had beat him or used any physical means other then restraint i might agree.
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Administrative leave pending review is not a suspension.
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Originally posted by clerick
It seems that suspending an officer after any event like this is standard procedure. It is no indication of right or wrong on the part of these officers. Resisting arrest and being a public menace seems like cause for a tasering. If they had beat him or used any physical means other then restraint i might agree.
I'm responding more to what started the whole thing. The officers never said a word to him. They simply went up and grabbed him.
As for the tasering, it did get abit out of hand and looked like they tasered him after he was cuffed.
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the officers may or may not have said a word, we don't have that information. What we do know is that the moderators asked him to step down, then to leave before the cops were called in. He was acting in a disruptive manner in a public forum, he has a right to free speech, but by acting like a fool and being disrespectful the the promoters, the Senator and the public in attendance the other peoples right to safety took over.
Stop condemning the police anytime they do something, you handicap them with this crap and soon you'll wonder where they are when you really need them.
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Watch the video. The officers are standing behind him and when the mic is turned off they grab him.
The moderators asking him to leave is different from the police asking him [which they didn't do].
I remember watching a video of protesters at the Capital building causing a disruption. The Police came in and asked them to leave with them. A couple of them didn't and they were escorted out. One in handcuffs. THAT is how they are to handle the situation. Jumping a guy that probably doesn't even know they are behind him and isn't making any threats or causing harm isn't.
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Originally posted by Tango
As for the tasering, it did get abit out of hand and looked like they tasered him after he was cuffed.
Watch this video. In between him telling the officers to "get the F*** off me", once they get him to the ground and rolled over, you can clearly see him pull his arm away from the officers (again) and grab the row of seats right when he gets the taser. He clearly was not handcuffed.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f4b_1190069526
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**** the taser, they should have shot him.
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Originally posted by Tango
Watch the video. The officers are standing behind him and when the mic is turned off they grab him.
The moderators asking him to leave is different from the police asking him [which they didn't do].
I remember watching a video of protesters at the Capital building causing a disruption. The Police came in and asked them to leave with them. A couple of them didn't and they were escorted out. One in handcuffs. THAT is how they are to handle the situation. Jumping a guy that probably doesn't even know they are behind him and isn't making any threats or causing harm isn't.
Where to start with this??
First of all he was not "jumped". Being overly dramatic in your wording will get you no respect.
The moderators are the authority, the police are the enforcers. The need not negotiate with an adult intent on causing disruption.
He maybe didn't make any specific threats, but some of his movements were erratic as was his behavior. If you believe that his behavior wasn't a problem then none of us will get anywhere with you. There is a standard of behavior that all people are expected to uphold, if you don't get that, and believe that staging a confrontation in order to bait the authorities into action isn't causing harm, then i pity you and the long road you have to walk in your life.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
If it was an open public forum, the kid had a right to ask any questions he had.
The Gestapo obviously did not like it and therefore tried to remove the voice. I suspect that a rather large and incovenient lawsuit is going to come out of that episode. Furthermore, the fact that the other people just sat back and watched the Gestapo wrongfully try to haul someone off is further proof of the sheep mentality of this country.
To be quite honest with you that sounds like one of Bush's "Town Meetings". I seem to remember a similar scenario in West Virginia and you guys were all for it. Pot? Kettle?