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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: lazs2 on September 19, 2007, 08:32:01 AM
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The zombie threads got me thinking... if I have to go to the gunsafe and grab a few favorite firearms for the coming zombie plague.....
What to grab?
I just can't leave without my cut down, 4" redhawk with the stag grips... I know... overkill and the ammo is heavy but... love that gun and... even a chest shot will slow down one of the undead.
practical matter.. the mini 14 would be good.. the garand is more to my liking but.. the mini had 30 round mags and weighs nothing and has no recoil.. easy to get back on target... and... a head shot with a 223 is pretty devestating...
The kimber 45... plenty good for zombies and accurate... quick reloads... ammo easy to find lying around.
340 pd... 357 at 12 oz and a few 5 shot speedloaders all fit in the front pocket... great last ditch gun... 125 hp will bust their melon good but....
The real king would probly just be my model 97 trench gun pump shotgun with a bandolier of 00 or number 4 buck. even has a bayonet to keep em at arms length during reloads... extremely reliable shot gun good sling.
might throw in the walther ppk in 32 and a few mags for last ditch stuff too..
lazs
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Flamethrower if you’re tiring to hold ground, them Zombies fears a good blaze.
I like you selections, good knockdown power, and couple good melon splitters as well.
A well supplied boat would come in handy as well; I don't think zombies can swim to well
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flamethrower would probly kill me carrying it around..
For cars I would go with a 4 wheel drive truck and bulletproof glass.. for sure no convertables.... maybe an older hummer.... yeah... first model hummer would be good.
Like the boat idea tho.. zombies can't swim.. you could get some breathing room a hundred feet from shore.
lazs
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A boomstick from army of darkness
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I'd like to have something with some reach to it. The AR15 would be fine for medium plus range with a 3x9 variable on it. (National match model)
For close in I want a 12 guage pump or semi with #4 buck or better and my Glock 19 with extended mags. The 9mm is just fine for head shots and having 17+1 in the gun is a nice feature. It's an easy to find caliber as well.
I'd add a good quality accurate .22 with hollow points and a scope as well. Ammo is very easy to find and you can carry a bunch in a small container. Easy on the ears and quick for regaining a target.
Having a fair size sail boat on a large lake would be a great idea as well. Water is plentiful, fish available and I wouldn't need to depend on a motor to get around all of the time.
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That's a great plan until you realize the fish are zombies, too.
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I normally like old fashion firearms. Bolt action rifles and wheelguns are my favs.
However, when it comes to zombies the best combo would be a suppressed sub gun and pistol in matching caliber. Heres why...
1) zombies can hear. When you start shooting a big loud rifle or magnum handgun you'll draw every zombie in 500 yards. Pretty soon you'll be over run.
2) only head shots can kill a zombie and it doesn't take much power to scramble a melon. Anything over .45acp is overkill under 100 yards. .223, .308 even .50 cal wont kill one unless you hit the head.
3) plenty of accuracy out to 100 yards. Even farther if you are a good shot. Much past 100 yards and you are better off avoiding them than engaging. You don't need a rifle capable of 300yard headshots unless you're stuck on the roof of a mall. At which point you're already screwed anyway so it won't matter.
4) light recoil makes for easy followup shots. Lighter more compact ammo means you can carry alot more. More ammo = less zombies.
5) Many subguns and pistols can use the same mags. If you lose one gun you will still have mags and ammo for the other.
A zombie outbreak is generally unsurvivable (based on all the movies I've seen...) Its really just a matter of how many you can take out before they get you. Stealth and speed are your best chance.
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For zombies at a 25 yards or more, a Semi-auto in a 223, 308, or 30-06.
Less than 25 yards but more than 40 feet a semi-auto shotgun 12ga 00, short barrel. Less than 40 feet or close in zombie crowd control, sawed off 12ga side by side or over and under or a Winchester Defender 12ga pump. A couple of handguns either revolver or semi-auto .357, .44, or .45.
I think my vehicle of choice would be a large RV, self contained living, with a dolly or a trailer for a jeep. I dont have to go searching for a place to sleep every night if I was on the move
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Airscrew, the RV idea is kinda nice but it lacks real security. Any place you can put the RV, zombies can follow easily. That's whey the fair sized sail boat is a neat option.
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I dont know, first of all the windows and the doors would be reinforced and covered with heavy screening material like hog wire. I would stay away from the cities and towns and other large population centers except when shopping for supplies. Use state highways and rural roads. I can carry extra diesel tanks on top of the RV or in the trailer. When its necessary to stop for rest I'm sure I can find a secluded. out of the way location to stop, and even if the zombies find me they wont be able to get in and if all their moaning and groaning wakes me up I can just drive away. the only purpose for the RV anyway is to get to a defensable location or find an island, either in a large lake/river or on the coast
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Originally posted by Maverick
Airscrew, the RV idea is kinda nice but it lacks real security. Any place you can put the RV, zombies can follow easily. That's whey the fair sized sail boat is a neat option.
You guys are forgetting one thing, zombies don't breath either, so they can wait you out and follow you around on the bottom of the lake. Your best bet is to just stealth like find a deserted island, with a cave in the cliffs and live as best as you can alone.
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Do zombies freeze in the winter? Cause that could make a big difference depending on where you live.
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Airscrew,
You'd basically have to build the RV from scratch if you wanted to armor it. There's no way you'd be able to set one up otherwise, they couldn't handle the load. They are way to lightly built to take armor attachment and do not have the weight carrying capacity to handle much in the way of any load. Of course even a trailer has the same situation and you'd have to exit the RV to get to the tow vehicle to move again, negating any security from the RV.
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One problem w/ firearms vs. zombies is the limited amount of ammunition. For guns, the shotgun seems to be the obvious choice, but for long term survival, here's my strategy:
1. A long bladed weapon that can kill from outside arms reach.
2. Something for killing the ones that get into that perimeter.
3. This is the most important: Control your engagements so that you can't be overwhelmed. Don't get boxed into a corner, and set it up so that you can control how many zombies are immediately dangerous. An open field, don't let yourself get flanked, don't always wait for them, pick them off as fast as you can on a one to one basis without getting enveloped. Zombies have poor strategy, they rely on numbers. So if you wittle away at them effectively, you might be able to stay alive. You just need to kill all of the ones that know where you are before you're overcome with fatigue, or have an exit strategy that can take you out of their reach for rest.
Also, a problem w/ cars and RVs: fuel. A bicycle isn't sexy, but it's fast enough (zombies are slow) and isn't dependent on infrastructure to the same degree as a motor vehicle.
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Chairboy, a bicycle also has no real carrying capacity, and while the blade option means you wouldn't have to lug around boxes of ammunition, you'd still be pedalling pounds of weapons. Don't forget you'll also need to procude foodstuffs, and you begin to see why a bicycle should only be used as an emergency escape.
Bladed weapons are a last-resort option. As you mentioned, zombies rely on numbers, and you'd quickly tire yourself out, exerting the force needed to split a skull and then wrench your blade free from the brainy red mess. The prime rule of zombie-killing is efficient use of force: never tire yourself out. There aren't many weapons more efficient than firearms.
Since guns are pretty difficult to get here in NYC, I'm going to just hope the police protect me, because that's what I pay them for, right? Besides, the common reasoning here is that guns are dangerous and only criminals posses one.
Man, when Zombiepocalypse comes will people here be sorry....
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Fair enough, I'd start w/ a car and guns like anyone else, but the bicycle would have to be part of the long term plan. Getting out of big cities like NY is a must, the number of zombies makes it easy to be overwhelmed.
Cities will be dead zones, get out before it's too late.
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Mav, I wouldnt need to armor the RV, just reinforce the doors and windows. Hog wire or metal mesh over the windows and some steel bars on the doors wont add enough weight to be an issue and should be sufficient to keep what few zombies show from getting in the RV. Besides they are not capable of logic or problem solving or using doors, they just stand there and beat their hands against the side of the RV. Because I'm staying in rural areas the population density of zombies will be low, I may only have to worry about an occasional zombie or two at a time. I can put a hatch in the top of the RV and in the top of the trailer so its not necessary to expose myself to get from the RV to the trailer. Fuel for the RV is not an issue. Again, because I'm using rural roads I'll be passing farms and ranches and there are loads of convience stores out in the country. Most farmers and ranchers have diesel and gasoline on their property (and propane).
The only drawback I see to using an RV or another large vehicle is if I run into congested roads because of wreaked or abandoned vehicles.
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It's not realistic at all, but a chaingun would be my first choice.
An automatic equal to or bigger than about 7.62, with a large mag and something to fit an HE round launcher to would be a good jack of all trades, otherwise.
A Garand alone would be good, but you'd get swarmed sooner or later.
A large capacity cyclic mag shotgun could work. It'd work short to medium range, you'd only need a few seconds to change the mag, and you could have something like a Garand to take care of everything beyond that shotgun's range.
If you weighed 250lbs and were tall enough, a long sword would probably be pretty efficient.
It should be pretty easy to make a custom vehicle that's almost perfectly zombie proof.. You just need to put revolving blades or expose enough moving mechanical parts.
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Ball peen hammer makes a great last resort weapon. Light, easy to use, effective. No chance you'll accidentally chop off your own arm either.
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I could mount a mini gun on top of the RV :t
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Airscrew, I assume Lazs2 speaks of the unexpected zombieisazation of the world, No time to plan and build transport. So I like the Hummer w/ a mountain bike in back combo.
As far as guns the shotgun is effective but I don't like the reload time, many a time you’re faced with more then 6 or 7 brain suckers coming for you. You can't be digging around in your pockets for rounds.
A hand gun with 3-4 clips of hollow points and a strap on it to keep it within arms reach if you get knocked down from behind or fall off your bike, is a good choice. And the 100 yard rife with a scope with the same caliber.
Drive the hummer as far north as you can i.e. Canada and then get on the bike. Fresh water found in the ice, got a decent food source up there and most importantly sparsely populated.
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The problem with operating a vehicle in rural areas would be survivors. There is a high probability there would be armed people holed up in farms/houses. Especially near the start of the outbreak. You wouldn't be able to just roll up in your RV and top off your tanks from a farm. You'd get shot.
Also, if the zombie population is low enough there may be local militias operating in small towns and rural areas. Armed people defending their land probably would't take to kindly to outsiders. Even if you were willing to trade for food/fuel they might turn you away or just take what you have.
I've got a boring job so I have plenty of time to think about crap like this.
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Some thoughts:
First, while firearms will always be more efficient at taking out the zombies, I'd definitely want some melee type weapon for when the ammo runs out or when a reload just isn't possible. I'm thinking machete. It's light and you don't necessarily need a killing blow. Go for a leg and cripple that ex-human to get some breathing room.
Now, lot of you may consider the mountains or some other country locale, but don't forget, you may have to deal with zombified wild animals. Can you imagine having to deal with a zombie bear?
Now, I personally don't have any large bodies of water near me, so I'm thinking farmhouse. They will usually have spare fuel and food. There will likely be some interesting farm implements with which to take down stray zombies. Lots of open area is key, I think, plus if you choose well, there won't be much of a local population to be turned into zombies.
(*important note- stay away from livestock farms as zombie cows may be difficult to deal with.)
Edit: TPI makes an interesting point, approach farmhouses carefully. Recon is a must.
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Originally posted by TPIguy
Do zombies freeze in the winter? Cause that could make a big difference depending on where you live.
A freeze gun! :lol
Majic, I think that a post-apocalyptic setting such as zombies would improve human relations. For all those people know, you could be carrying merchandise that they need.
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Yeah. Mr. Freeze would do well against zombies.
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Majic, I think that a post-apocalyptic setting such as zombies would improve human relations. For all those people know, you could be carrying merchandise that they need.
I think it would be the exact opposite.
When the dead rise up and devour the living morality goes out the window.
People in a strong position won't want to compromise themselves to help others. Given that there may be no repercussions they may even use their strength against the weaker folks.
Not everyone would become selfish jerks overnight. However, most people would be operating in survival mode and thinking only of their own well being. Without the law to keep them in check, anyone with criminal intentions wouldn't hesitate to steal from or possibly kill you. If you have something they perceive they need.
The only people you could trust would be close family and friends (if they weren't already dead.) All other would need to be viewed with extreme suspicion and approached with caution.
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Originally posted by TPIguy
The only people you could trust would be close family and friends (if they weren't already undead.)
Fixed. :)
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Approached with caution is what I meant. Not driving into their dining room, but stopping at safe range with (gasp) a white flag or something. Why waste ammo on someone who means you no harm?
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Moot: Because if their presence means that you spend rations on them that would otherwise feed your family another X days, then your family is harmed.
Just because someone has good intentions doesn't mean that they'll be good for you in the long run. Some folks are more willing to risk strangers than others ont eh chance that they bring needed skills/resources, but don't assume that to be true for everyone.
Also, raiders can fly a white flag as easy as good folks, so don't put too much stock in it.
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For me it would be one of the carbines since I have 30 round mags and about 2000 rounds of ball ammo. Plenty for the required head shots, controllable, light. I would use my 1911 as the standard backup, though I would prefer to have an XD45 with the 13 round magazine or even some double stack 9mm. Might have to run out and buy that XD this weekend -- just in case :)
I could outfit a nice party with adequate weapons and ammo.
A second carbine for somebody. A 357 (with 38s) for my wife. Another 357. A Garand for some big guy and I even have plenty of greek 30.06 in bandoleers on clips :) A couple of Enfields with about 1000 rounds of reliable Indian 303 from the 1930s and several thousand rounds of marginal ammo that would make life exciting if it came to that. about 400 rounds of 8mm for the Mauser. About 600 for the Mosins. Not exactly run and gun, but a better deal than most parties that are on the run from zombies have handy.
Of course, it would REALLY suck if they were the zombies from the Dawn of the Dead remake.
Charon
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Also, raiders can fly a white flag as easy as good folks, so don't put too much stock in it.
Pirates used to carry a whole bunch of flags and who just haul up whichever one they needed at the time.
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Well, what I meant was that stopping at safe range would give an opportunity to state your intent. It would make the armed and polite society maxim pretty accurate :D
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If I'm running through a city of zombies... I'd guess any type of 556 or 762 assault rifle would work just fine. Now if I'm in a little post-apocalyptic survivor town with a fixed area to defend... 40mm bofors and mortars.
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Originally posted by moot
Well, what I meant was that stopping at safe range would give an opportunity to state your intent. It would make the armed and polite society maxim pretty accurate :D
Just because you state your intent doesn't mean they won't shoot you. If there's any chance that you could be a competitor for resources, or could come back as a raiding party in the future, there are folks who would kill you while you were a semi-known quantity. Stay away from farms and towns, or if you must parley, do so with the expectation that things might go terribly wrong. Also, be ready to bring something useful to the table.
That's all I'm saying.
Awave of friendly, good intentioned refugees can kill a community by starvation just as easilly (if not easier) than a wave of flesh eating zombies.
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Something to consider when setting up free-fire zones to repel zombies from fixed emplacements: Are you sure you know all of the sewers and plumbing that goes to or near your emplacement? It doesn't matter how good your killzone around your fortress is if a zombie child can wriggle its way through a pipe underground and infect you from the inside.
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Charon,
Not being familiar with this particular movie (or many other zombie flicks either for that matter) what did you mean by this?
"Of course, it would REALLY suck if they were the zombies from the Dawn of the Dead remake."
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Originally posted by Maverick
Charon,
Not being familiar with this particular movie (or many other zombie flicks either for thaqt matter) what did you mean by this?
"Of course, it would REALLY suck if they were the zombies from the Dawn of the Dead remake."
They are holywood Zombies Mav, they run really fast!
Me I would find a nice full size 73-91 blazer and head off to the woods with my guns, the main being my M1A. The Garand and Several .45s as my backups.
Zombies don't hang out on 4X4 trails right?:D
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Mav, they used your boat idea, went to an island and got ate... just sayin...
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Bummer, thanks. :(
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no problem, glad I could help ;) . you need to watch all the movies, you wont last a week...
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Charon,
Not being familiar with this particular movie (or many other zombie flicks either for that matter) what did you mean by this?
"Of course, it would REALLY suck if they were the zombies from the Dawn of the Dead remake."
As GTO said they could sprint and had quick reflexes. When combined with the big numbers was a really bad deal.:O
A great Zombie flick, btw.
Charon
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(http://somegosoftly.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/zombie-poster.jpg)
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Yes Chairboy, I know and agree with that. I'm saying that if such a thing as a harmless group of humans showed up, the best means of diplomacy would probably start like that.
There's no one rule of thumb that applies to all possible scenarios, but I think it's not negligible a bonus to have as many humans as you can running around baiting zombies. Better them than you.
if you must parley, do so with the expectation that things might go terribly wrong. Also, be ready to bring something useful to the table.
Just what I meant.
Are there any other breeds of zombies besides the classic braindead zombies and the "rage" zombies in 28 Days Later?
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Moot, the zombies in Land of the Dead are able to walk under water, run, use weapons (barely) but they do move faster
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Can you imagine if Chuck Norris became a Zombie?
We'd all be screwed.
:(
Mac
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Here is a list of movies to watch so you can be prepard to defend yourself against the undead...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_zombie_films
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If you haven't read it yet, there's a great book on the subject:
The Zombie Survival Guide
http://www.amazon.com/Zombie-Survival-Guide-Complete-Protection/dp/1400049628
It's written completely straight, as if zombie attacks are something that are happening now. No nonsense, good advice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Zombie_Survival_Guide
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Thanks for the list Airscrew.
I've seen Land of the dead, and the only difference from the regular zombies is the bits of intelligence, and the automatic-undead thing. The amphibious thing looked like the sort of thing regular zombies could do, but never happened because of the screenplay/script.
I'd feel a lot safer if zombies were the deadbeat sort, rather than the ape**** 28 days later type.
BTW Cemetary Man is great, if anyone's not seen it yet..
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The last zombie flick I saw had a western flavor to it. Some really bad guy swore revenge on the entire town for hanging him after his trial for being a very bad badman. Seems he came back and turned the whole town into zombies and the town faded away. The movie came into it when a group of lost young folks stumbled into town looking for directions and maybe some gas. Enter the zombies.
Some really bad acting too. Not even a "B" movie, more like an xyz movie. I have no idea what the title was on it anymore.
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Well if we're putting together a zombie survival wishlist then here is mine.
1. Need an escape vehicle. I'd want something big, heavy, able to go just about anywhere. I'd take one of these. Mind you I'd remove all the comms gear for more room for people and extra fuel, food and what not. Nice thing is it can be sealed from the inside so no zombies getting in. I can just run the batards over without having to worry about damaging anything. It's plenty fast. All wheel drive. Roomy enough for half a dozen people, more in a pinch.
Light Armored Vehicle-Command and Control (LAV-C2)
The LAV-C2 is an all-terrain, all-weather vehicle with night capabilities. The LAV-CC is a Type I raised roof chassis outfitted with communication stations that allows the Unit Commander the capability to command, control and communicate (C3) the activities of his forces under full armored protection. This mobile command station provides field commanders with all necessary resources to control and coordinate light armored units in all assigned roles. It is air transportable via C-130, C-141, C-5 and CH-53 E. When combat loaded there are 200 ready rounds and 800 stowed rounds of 7.62mm ammunition. There are 8 ready rounds and 8 stowed rounds of smoke grenades. The vehicle can be made fully amphibious within 3 minutes.
(http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/lav-c2.jpg)
OK now I have my ride I need a good primary weapon for those times when I'm forced to get out and forage around for things I might need. As many people have already said Zombies are attracted to noise so I want to be quite. Nothing worse than trying to lug around supplies and then make a bunch of noise shooting a random zombie only to have the rest of them come looking for you. So with that in mind I'd choose a H&K MP5SD2 with an EoTech holo sight. 9mm good for head shots and it's quite, compact, and light weight.
(http://www.l-team.idv.tw/lteam/gun/GUNPHOTO/mp5sd2.jpg)
My backup weapon would be my 12 gage Remington 870 with an extended mag, and 20 inch slug barrel. I'd probably go with Federal/Barnes sabot slugs at first then switch to buck shot.
(http://www.tacticalshotgun.ca/content_nonsub/shotguns/870_590_compare/870_police.jpg)
My sidearm of choice would be my Taurus PT99 9mm. It has an after market comp barrel, cat eye night sights, and a nice set of Pachmayr finger groove grips. I shoot this pistol all the time so I'm real good with it and I KNOW it's reliable. I also have a nice tactical thigh holster for it that is comfortable to wear.
(http://www.pachmayr.com/pachmayr/images/taurus.jpg)
(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/41alhi5v0VL._SS500_.jpg)
As a last resort edged weapon, nothing beats a Gurka. The Gurkha Kukri will out-chop any factory or handmade knives, including swords twice its size - even expensive, hand forged Japanese Katanas. Taking advantage of its downward curving blade and long, "V" shaped cross section, the Gurkha Kukri places its edge at an angle to a target, creating a powerful shearing effect. The heaviest Kukri on the market, the blade is almost an inch wider near the tip than it is at the handle, which shifts the knife’s balance point forward. This allows a substantial blow to be struck with minimal effort, using inertia alone to complete the cut.
Specifications:
Weight: 22 oz.
Blade Thickness: 5/16".
Blade Length: 12".
Handle: 5" long. Kraton .
Steel: Carbon V.
Overall Length: 17" .
Black Epoxy Powder Coat.
Sheath: Black Leather
(http://images.afmo.com/products/214/00/38/214-00384-2.jpg)
That's what I want when the Zombies attack:aok :rofl
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Originally posted by moot
Are there any other breeds of zombies besides the classic braindead zombies and the "rage" zombies in 28 Days Later?
In addition to your standard undead and viral zombies, you've got your electrical zombies and your voodoo zombies. Electrical zombies are rare and tend to be solitary so they're easy to deal with, for example Frankenstein and his relatives.
Voodoo zombies tend to be found along the Gulf coast. In general they aren't much problem, although your southern black female voodoo zombie can be a challenge because they tend to tote straight razors and fly off the handle at the drop of a hat after they're have a forty or two.
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mt... you are probly right.. a pissant 9 mm would be fine for headshots and does have a large capacity thing going for it... I just like my 44 and 45's in that regard...
I think you are also right on the 22 rifle thing... you can have 5,000 rounds pretty easy...
I like 44 and 45 because they are so easy to reload the ammo... lead slugs can be made from wheel weights.
oh... I also like my little makarov 9 mm.. it is small and ULTRA reliable and I have a couple thousand rounds in an ammo can.
My goal for transportation would be a brinks truck... armored.. from survivors who coveted and from zombies... roomy enough... good range with big tanks of less flamable and... less finicky diesel.
a machete for the belt would be about as good as anything for last ditch if you had no ammo but.. running out of ammo is not something that could happen to me.
lazs
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For vehicles, I'd go with a John Deere 900-series combine. With 36 feet of double-edged knives at 520 cycles per minute, I'd be going through zombies like crap through a goose.
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Reading this thread has me concerned...
I'm afraid too many of you are thinking of how you would address a conventional attack - by that, I mean an attack by the living. People are throwing around terms like "stopping power" and I've even read a suggestion about a flame thrower... PLEASE :rolleyes: !
These walking killing machines laugh at this conventional thinking... or they would, if they were capable of understanding humor.
A Zombie has no fear, and more to the point - no feelings. That means burning them (ala flamethrower) is a double edged sword. While the flames will eventually consume the Zombie corpse, you will still have up to an hour with a bumbling, slow moving, WALKING-lighter, bumping into anyone and anything (INCLUDING YOUR SHELTER!!!) Unless you plan on smoking yourself out, lighting a Zombie up should be done with the utmost care!
Now, when it comes to handguns... forget "stopping power." If you shoot a Zombie in its arm, or its leg, or even its chest, it will STILL KEEP COMING! All you will have done is wast ammo and possibly drawn the attention of other Zombies in the area with the noise of your weapon! You want to look for 2 things in a handgun when it comes to Zombie defense - 1) Ease of use (including under harsh conditions - you may be on the run) & 2) a large ammo capacity.
(http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1031404/2/istockphoto_1031404_heckler_koch_9mm.jpg)
All you need to do is scramble the eggs between their ears... so a 9mm will be fine. The ammo is plentiful and light compared to other calibers which means you can carry more! If you know you will be traveling through especially harsh conditions (i.e. swamplands and such) then you may want a simpler firing mechanism such as a 38 revolver. Just be sure to shop for your anticipated environment!
Lets talk rifles...
The two best options are... wait for it-
The M1 Garand
(http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/imgs/m1garand.jpg)
The M1 Carbine
(http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms/Auto-Rifles/M-1_Carbine.jpg)
With accuracy, light ammo (the advantage of which is described above), and a quick rate of fire - these two babies are all that you need.
Remember folks... it's all about the head-shot. If you pull out a spray and pray weapon, well lets just say you'd be better off by dropping the spray part.
The ultimate shooting weapon when it comes to the Zombie appocolypse?
Simple
(http://www.nmpairrifles.co.uk/images/CROSSBOW_THUNDERBOLT_FS.jpg) Think about it... it provides you with distance from your grabby foe, accuracy for the killer headshot, and best of all -SILENCE- so you won't grab the attention of any more of the undead in the area...
:noid
The two best close combat weapons would have to be the Army surplus machete, or a crowbar. The Army surplus machete for the obvious reason that it provides reach with an effective kill stroke. AND because the blade is usually painted black- perfect for those full moon nights - you don't want anything flashing out there.
The crowbar is good because of its versatility, both as a weapon and a tool. You never know when you'll need to jimmy a door to make your escape.
Folks... i'll stop here-
Do yourselves a favor and go buy
(http://a1.vox.com/6a00c225230773549d00cd971551c14cd5-500pi)
Read it... take notes... make your shopping lists...
The threat is real people... Organize before they rise! :noid
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My good ol Mossburg 12 guage tactical; plus a Taurus Judge pistol in a holster loaded, with 410 shells. Finally, a cricket bad ;).
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ar15 med range shootgun for close range and a 9mm
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When I think Zombie I think 1968 “night of the living Dead” slow, and Dumb, afraid of fire. But if your talking bionic zombies well **** that’s a hole new ball of dead flesh.
I think it’s agreed you need long rang, accurate, head splitting power. A good solid blade, and maybe a chain and ball for close combat.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Klassischer-Flegel.jpg/180px-Klassischer-Flegel.jpg
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The last zombie flick I saw had a western flavor to it. Some really bad guy swore revenge on the entire town for hanging him after his trial for being a very bad badman. Seems he came back and turned the whole town into zombies and the town faded away. The movie came into it when a group of lost young folks stumbled into town looking for directions and maybe some gas. Enter the zombies.
I think I remember seeing the trailers for that. I didn't know they were zombies from it, but it makes sense now.
Dawn of the Dead was really good. Very entertaining and very scary zombies.
For humor, the "Return of the Living Dead" series from the 1980s is a lot of fun. Especially No. 1. A real hoot.
Sean of the Dead is also a lot of fun.
Charon
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I don't know about you but this looks zombieish;
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070918032309.snshi71r&show_article=1
Villagers in southern Peru were struck by a mysterious illness after a meteorite made a fiery crash to Earth in their area, regional authorities said Monday.
Residents complained of headaches and vomiting brought on by a "strange odor," local health department official Jorge Lopez told Peruvian radio RPP.
Boiling water started coming out of the crater
I think it was a small outbreak it was handled my local officials, and will be covered up....Keep looking for more signs of "meteorite" out breaks, and meet me in the hills of canada...
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I'm with Hornet. The only part he left out is I'm commandeering a yacht and heading to a zombie free island in the south pacific.
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
I'm with Hornet. The only part he left out is I'm commandeering a yacht and heading to a zombie free island in the south pacific.
That's why I want an LAV....they're amphibious:D
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i'd some how set the fuel burn to 0 and hide in a stratosphere B-17...or P-38
:noid
Edit: forgot.. also i would make the ammo mult. 9999. so i can strafe all i want :)
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This subject has elicited a firestorm of emails between my wife, my brother in law, and myself and we're at an impasse. I submit to the big brains in Aces High to assist me in my endeavor to prove that I'm right. Okay so I sleep on the couch tonight I'll live.
Assumption is:
We've managed to get a yacht and sail it to a deserted island.
For some INSANE reason the zombies decide to follow us because we're the last edible brains on earth (AWmac and RPM are still in Oklahoma doing whatever Okies do ;) ).
I say that by the time that the saltwater decomposes them during their 3,000 mile trek across the ocean floor, or they are eaten by sharks, crabs, lobsters, etc. That we have nothing to worry about and we can live out our lives on the island happily living off the land and the bounty of the sea.
SHE says that sharks won't eat something dead and that the virus would get into the crabs, lobsters, and the rest of the sea life making seafood non edible for risk of catching the virus we just escaped.
I told her she could eat the first fish and if she turned into an evil brain eating zombie I loved her enough to shoot her right in the head.
What say you gentlemen?
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
This subject has elicited a firestorm of emails between my wife, my brother in law, and myself and we're at an impasse. I submit to the big brains in Aces High to assist me in my endeavor to prove that I'm right. Okay so I sleep on the couch tonight I'll live.
Assumption is:
We've managed to get a yacht and sail it to a deserted island.
For some INSANE reason the zombies decide to follow us because we're the last edible brains on earth (AWmac and RPM are still in Oklahoma doing whatever Okies do ;) ).
I say that by the time that the saltwater decomposes them during their 3,000 mile trek across the ocean floor, or they are eaten by sharks, crabs, lobsters, etc. That we have nothing to worry about and we can live out our lives on the island happily living off the land and the bounty of the sea.
SHE says that sharks won't eat something dead and that the virus would get into the crabs, lobsters, and the rest of the sea life making seafood non edible for risk of catching the virus we just escaped.
I told her she could eat the first fish and if she turned into an evil brain eating zombie I loved her enough to shoot her right in the head.
What say you gentlemen?
Sharks eat dead flesh all the time. Hell I saw some nutburger on discovery walk out onto a Whale corpse in the open ocean while a great white was taking chunks off it.
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while its not unreasonable to think a zombie virus could infect some animals, I doubt it would affect most sealife.
Dolphins and whales perhaps, but fish and crustaceans? Doubtful.
Also, how many "deserted" islands are there that are actually livable?
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Originally posted by kennyhayes
ar15 med range shootgun for close range and a 9mm
You've got to be related to mcblivet.:rolleyes:
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North Pole.
Zombies freeze stiff and cant move. That's when I go up to them and feast on their flesh.
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Isn't it obvious? A BFG9000 of course.
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Originally posted by TPIguy
while its not unreasonable to think a zombie virus could infect some animals, I doubt it would affect most sealife.
Dolphins and whales perhaps, but fish and crustaceans? Doubtful.
Also, how many "deserted" islands are there that are actually livable?
Ask Tom Hanks ;)
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The fish, lobster, crabs, would have to have a frontal lobe. I'm sure dolphins do I'm not sure about the rest. So you may be all right.
That is were the virus localizes in the human, destroying the frontal lobe, which controls bodily functions (organs) the brain is still alive, That is why they are the "living dead".
So you may not have to shot your wife.:aok
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According to the Zombie Guide,
The Virus:
Section 4.
Solanum is fatal to all living creatures, regardless of size, species, or ecosystem. Reanimation, however takes place only in humans. Studies have shown that Solanum infecting a non-human brain will die within hours of the death of its host, making the carcass safe to handle. Infected animals expire before the virus can replicate throughout their bodies.
So if on an island you would survive if you only eat freshly caught fish.
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Alright guys, I want to congratulate you all on taking the time to prepare yourself's for a possible, or should I say eventual?, zombie attack.
First off, I recommend you all take this test, just so you all know where you stand as of now. Don't worry if you don't do so good. There should still be a little time left for you to learn.
http://www.youthink.com/quiz.asp?action=take&quiz_id=1174
That is the link to the quiz. Please take it.
Now obviously some of the answers to those questions will change depending on the situation, remember, its all relative. :aok
Ok, now that we know that, let me reiterate some of the key ideas that have been mentioned here.
-Zombies feel no emotion/pain.
-Zombies need a head shot to be totally disabled. Chopping off a leg will slow them, but they will crawl after you.
-Small caliber weapons are just as effective.
-Stealth is a big advantage.
-Transportation is important.
-Zombies are not smart, they rely on numbers/ you making a mistake.
Ok, lets go over some.
Because zombies feel no emotion or pain, not only will they continue to come after you (until they physically can't) no matter what damage you inflict to them. Once they overwhelm you, they will show no mercy, because they know no mercy.
Next, the only way to completely disable a zombie is a headshot/decapitation. Any caliber weapon will do. Even crossbows or household tools. Although melee weapons should be avoided as discussed earlier in the thread. On a side note, rate of fire, and size of round is not always a blessing. High caliber rounds will pass harmlessly through body parts, from the neck down, doing no noticeable damage. And rate of fire, while can be good, usually wastes ammo, gives away your position, and screws you over.
Stealth is good. Zombies rely on numbers, so for the most part, when you see one, there ARE more around in close proximity. By avoiding full on waves of zombies you increase your rate of survival.
Transportation is important. You cannot stay in one place. You will eventually be found, and then it is just a matter of time. Thats not to say though that finding an ideal spot and staying there until you resupply/ regroup. Now obviously we can go a lot of ways with this. It is important to stay out of cities, as you can easily get overrun. But, cities also are where you will find most of your supplies. So, it is essential to carry with you what you will need to survive for a little while. While an RV could be used, I suggest a small convoy of hummer like vehicles, reinforced obviously. The humvess used by the army are ideal. Strong, fast, .50 for those tight situations* see comments on .5 above. They also have room for supplies/people. Great choice. All terrain, etc. If you find yourself in a city and are being attacked by a hoard of zombies, drop any supplies you have and find a motorcycle, they are the ideal mode of transportation in a city. Surviving is you number one concern.
Lanc-stuka is out of the question, so lets keep brainstorming guys.
donkey
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
This subject has elicited a firestorm of emails between my wife, my brother in law, and myself and we're at an impasse. I submit to the big brains in Aces High to assist me in my endeavor to prove that I'm right. Okay so I sleep on the couch tonight I'll live.
Assumption is:
We've managed to get a yacht and sail it to a deserted island.
For some INSANE reason the zombies decide to follow us because we're the last edible brains on earth (AWmac and RPM are still in Oklahoma doing whatever Okies do ;) ).
I say that by the time that the saltwater decomposes them during their 3,000 mile trek across the ocean floor, or they are eaten by sharks, crabs, lobsters, etc. That we have nothing to worry about and we can live out our lives on the island happily living off the land and the bounty of the sea.
SHE says that sharks won't eat something dead and that the virus would get into the crabs, lobsters, and the rest of the sea life making seafood non edible for risk of catching the virus we just escaped.
I told her she could eat the first fish and if she turned into an evil brain eating zombie I loved her enough to shoot her right in the head.
What say you gentlemen?
I'd just shoot her now. :p
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Are these the slow crawly zombies, or the fast skip frame zombies? It will help to know what we must face.
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Originally posted by myelo
For vehicles, I'd go with a John Deere 900-series combine. With 36 feet of double-edged knives at 520 cycles per minute, I'd be going through zombies like crap through a goose.
I was thinking the same thing.
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Anyone else read this series? http://www.djmoody.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Start2.htm
An unrepentent take off of George Romero but I still enjoyed them.
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Just remember guys...almost every city and town in the USA has a National Guard Armory or Army Reserve station. Those living close to military bases will have more access to needed equipment and supplies. With that in mind, NO tactical Army/Marine Corp vehicle in the current inventory needs a key to start, however you will need a good set of bolt cutters to gain access. Also try and get into the motor pool office first if possible. All the log books and operation manuals for the vehicles will be kept there. You might just need those if you've never driven a tactical vehicle before
I think putting together a list of required tools for gaining access to these supplies is needed. Off the top of my head I came up with the following.
Screwdriver set
open end / box end wrench set standard and metric
pliers set
bolt cutters
hack saw
hammer
cold chisel set
18volt cordless drill with good bit set (might have to drill a lock)
crowbar
As a side note you should try and secure good transportation immediately upon seeing zombies. Do it while you still have friends among the living to help you out. It will get harder to accomplish this task once your friends start getting turned so think ahead and remember the 6P's Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance!!!
Good luck.:aok
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You guys have absolutely no idea how relieved I am right now. I am NOT the only person with this scenario passing periodically through his head. I usually call this an excercise in creative thinking, so I'll let y'all in on what I've thought.
First step - fight my way to the nearest military base that is of a smallish size, there are several in the general vicinity of where I live. Here I would be able to procure many needed supplies/equipment. Most bases have an ASP (ammunition storage point) that are just chock full of 5.56, 7.62 & 9mm ammo as well as neat stuff like grenades & claymores.
Weapons - I currently have a 9mm Sig, a .22 Marlin and a .270 Savage and a K-Bar (more as a tool than a weapon). Both the rifles have scopes. With these weapons I feel I have a good start. Both the rifles are in popular calibers and are good out to pretty much any range I'd be shooting at. The 9mm is also popular and accurate enough at close ranges.
To supplement my weapon selection I would procure a couple M-16s and a couple military issue Baretta 9mm. Every arms room/armory on every military base would have these, as well as extra magazines.
Grenades would be a secondary objective, but I would not endanger myself searching for them.
Transportation - I have a 4x4 pickup, stock ride height with a 300 ci 6 cyl engine. This needs replaced immediately. My vehicle of choice would be a HEMTT.
(http://z.about.com/d/usmilitary/1/0/l/A/m977.jpg)
They are large 8 wheeled vehicles with a large cargo bed and have an onboard crane. The cargo area is about head/shoulder high on an average person. They are also nearly as prevalant as the 2 1/2 ton or 5 ton cargo vehicles. The cargo area is large enough to accomadate a reasonably constructed shelter, in fact I have seen commo shelters on the backs of HEMTTs before. Some creative cutting of the roof would provide access between the cab and shelter areas negating the need for contact with the ground. It is diesel, however it can run on nearly anything except water. I am unsure where the controls for the crane are located, so they may have to be moved/modified to operate the crane from the safety of the cab/shelter.
Food & supplies - In nearly every military base there are supply warehouses containing everything from BDUs, cold weather gear, boots, rucksacks, LBE, etc. to MREs & C-rats. There are also many D-facs (dining facilites for the military challenged) which contain provisions.
Once I'm well equipped the second step would be to find a suitable place to occupy. In my area there are several potential places. One is an ATF building which is surrounded by chainlink "privacy" fence on about 5 acres. The other is the VA hospital which is situated on 175 acres and has more buildings than you can shake a stick at, it is surrounded by chainlink fence with the exception of the front entrance. This would be an ambitious endeavor, and would require a large group of people to secure. It is however agacent to the ATF compound. The third idea is a book printing/binding facility. The grounds are not fenced in, but it has several loading docks which would provide above ground access to vehicles. This too would probably require a group of people to secure.
For now I'll cut this short, but believe me, I've thought alot about this, mostly at work. Maybe if this thread continues on I'll add more later on.
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The island idea is still a good one... find an island with only a couple thousand people on it... course.. they will all be zombies but....
Stand off in your boat from the pier and headshoot em. you can get a couple hundred an hour... an easy couple of days work and you will clean em out easier than clearing ground hogs from a pasture. They will come to you.
I realize that my fondness for my 44's and 45's is not too rational in the zombie defense but... It is nostalgia and... I am very good with them so... people around me will just have to live with the hearing loss.
A good 22 rimfire rifle is great... maybe an ar7 for the boat..light... simple and...it floats.. I had one... shot fine... 10 round mag...semi auto.
12 guage...double ought buck... at 40 yards it is a nice spred... might get two or three headshot ones a round... easy to "top off" whenever there is a break in the action.
From 100 yards out from the dock... the garand would be fine... I trust my garand... semi auto that works for a thousand rounds at a sitting. Course.. a bold action 243 in that situation would work as well or better but, all around, the garand is great. should be able to get two heads lined up for those really cool doubles shots.
The mini 14 or ar for in town cleanup of the loser zombies who didn't hear the dinner bell at the dock... with the old 97 pump gun on a sling across the back and the 44 mag and 5 or six speed loaders on a belt.
lazs
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One issue to keep in mind is that gasoline and diesel have a limited shelf life. Let's be general and say 8 months to a year of reliable performance. So, wherever you wanted to travel you would have to get organized and get on the road.
Propane would be a better long term fuel, and there are conversion kits and it is used to heat homes in many parts of the country. So if you plan ahead it could allow you to stay in operation form some years in one area.
A note on Army Reserve and NG arms rooms. My reserve unit, in the heart of Chicago suburbia had a nice selection on weapons (in our case up to M2s, M60s and 203s and perhaps ammo as well). I didn't work in supply and it seemed we drew most of our ammo at the training area (though we might have had some in the arms room as well, at least 5.56). Regardless, the room had a big armored door on it and likely had reinforced concrete walls. Nothing you couldn't work through with a little time and some effective tools. Depending upon any zombie distractions :)
Of course, had the units been deployed, a better bet would be trying to scavenge the overran security check points.
Charon
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Even th Feds, have a zombie agency
http://www.fvza.org/index.html
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Would you survive a zombie attack? (http://www.youthink.com/quiz.asp?action=take&quiz_id=1174)
My Results:
(http://www.youthink.com/quiz_images/quiz1174outcome4.gif) (http://www.youthink.com/quiz.asp?action=take&quiz_id=1174)
You Did perfect!
You made every move correctly.
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In addition to all the excellent suggestions it will be important to procure an adequate supply of beverages. Ideally you've planned ahead and hoarded several stores in your home and several strategic locations. If not, be prepared to liberate the nearest commercial outlet.
Consume the perishable lagers and ales first, then switch to your bourbon and scotch. Just because it's the zombiocalypse, there's no need to live like savages.
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While a military base is a nice source for military vehicles I would have to state that civilian gun stores would be a better choice for gaining weapons and ammo. The military does not put ammo and weapons in the same place. They also secure each in a rather strong style of storage facility. For shoulder arms a gun store has a more varied selection and ammo is in the same building. A great variety of ammo in multiple calibers and it's far easier to get into with even a civilian style vehicle.
Crew served weapons, medium to heavy MG's are CREW served and that means having help to set up and operate. The ammo is also kinda heavy. Remember you are not wanting to get involved in a protracted fight, you just want to be able to disengage and get to a safe area. You DO have to sleep sometime.
Using a heavy vehicle also means maintenance is a beeyotch by yourself. Visibility is not the greatest either. They tend to have lots of blind spots. Parts will be only found in a military installation that has the same kind of equipment. Moving around could be a problem if you wanted to leave the area.
Charon,
I agree that gas WILL go sour fairly rapidly. Diesel is pretty darn stable as long as you keep it clean and dry. A buddy has a 50 year old sail boat. He finally bought diesel the other year. The previous time was over 10 years before and the engine still ran fine all the way down to the lower portion of the tank. That is the way to go for fuel. It's also possible to use a hand powered pump to move it from one tank to another.
Propane might be nice but it requires special handling and a pressurized delivery system to put it into your tanks. If the power is off where the propane is, you aren't going to get any of it into your vehicle tank. Like the use of battery operated tools you have to have a source of electricity to operate some and charge the batteries on others. That means a generator capable of 120 volts AC as well as DC.
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A buddy has a 50 year old sail boat. He finally bought diesel the other year. The previous time was over 10 years before and the engine still ran fine all the way down to the lower portion of the tank. That is the way to go for fuel. It's also possible to use a hand powered pump to move it from one tank to another.
Propane might be nice but it requires special handling and a pressurized delivery system to put it into your tanks. If the power is off where the propane is, you aren't going to get any of it into your vehicle tank. Like the use of battery operated tools you have to have a source of electricity to operate some and charge the batteries on others. That means a generator capable of 120 volts AC as well as DC.
Interesting. Good point on the propane.
You hear about diesel and the need to add stablilizers, etc. but it's not an issue I had a chance to look at since shelf life isn't a major concern these days as inventory turns fast.
Take away: a good diesel is the way to go. Simpler maintenance as well.
Charon
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http://www.hardcorepawn.com/zombie3/
some zombie killing pratice sites
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Personal protection ...
(http://www.futurefirepower.com/wp-content/photos/AA_12_Hammer_Fully_automatic_Shotgun.jpg)
The AA-12 ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoL3JVOGnKc ... with a whole lot of those Frag-12 cartridges. Truely a remarkable weapon.
Ground Vehicle ...
I would have to go with the Batmobile that they had in the "Batman Returns" movie.
(http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/batmobile-resize.jpg)
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/batmobile.htm
The Actual Components
When they had the test frame performing the way they wanted, the basic configuration of the car and its drive train were set:
The car uses a 5.7-liter Chevy V-8 engine. This engine has been tuned so that it can provide the power necessary to take a 5,000-pound vehicle from zero to 60 mph (100 kph) in 5 seconds.
The rear axle is a truck axle, with a truck transmission carrying power from the engine to the axle.
The rear tires are 37-inch-diameter, off-the-shelf, 4x4 mud tires called Super Swampers made by Interco.
The front tires are racing tires made by Hoosier.
The front wheels have independent suspension elements inspired by the long-travel suspensions of Baja racing trucks. When airborne, the front wheels pop out about 30 inches on their suspensions to absorb the shock of a 30-foot fall.
By this time, the design and development process had taken about nine months and consumed several million dollars.
However, the payoff was high, because now the team could begin manufacturing Batmobiles on an assembly line.
On the water ...
(http://www.fireengines.net/reviews/lafdboat2/top_small.jpg)
A Fire Boat ... strong, powerfull, sea worthy, nice steady platform, and those water cannons could rip a few heads off those who care to hang around the docks.
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(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENt6w1t_AJw)
And remember, you got to have the music!
:O
Mac
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(http://htthttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8162994492026870322&q=Zombies&total=55797&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=5p://)
I Still Hate this Movie!
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Mac
Man I just scared the crap outta myself again in the 1st five minutes.
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Originally posted by AWMac
:confused:
Mac
Man I just scared the crap outta myself again in the 1st five minutes.
Did you achieve weightlessness then??:confused:
:p :D
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I suppose I can tell the US geologial society there wasn't an earthquake in Oklahoma after all. Did your hat size go down? :D
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Sawed off shot gun and a chainsaw - Evil Dead style!
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diesel lasts long enough.. what with stabilizers and all... just make sure you have a crapload of filters.
propane would be fine but you have to have a generator to get it out of the storage tanks.
An island still seems the best bet for long term. You have to have a base.
lazs
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Zombies can't attack you in a zero g environment, just saying.
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Originally posted by lazs2
An island still seems the best bet for long term. You have to have a base.
lazs
Did you not stay for the credits in Dawn of the Dead?!?
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zombie guns? hell with guns, what you need is some napalm (gasoline and styrofoam?). napalm and the flat-roof of a brick or otherwise reasonably fireproof building.
a wal-mart or some such would be perfect. only one set of doors to board up, and enough supplies to last until food starts to be a problem, and by then most of the area zombies will be in a burned heap around the base of the building anyway...
from there it takes guns and good transportation. doesnt really matter what type, as long as its something you can use and wont break before you can find another one.
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Originally posted by DoNKeY
Zombies can't attack you in a zero g environment, just saying.
Interesting premise.. back it up :p
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Originally posted by DoNKeY
Zombies can't attack you in a zero g environment, just saying.
That is an interesting approach. If zombie main weapon is melee, hitting someone in zero gravity without bracing yourself against something heavy is very ineffective.
First, the swing will be awkward as it will rotate the entire body of the hitter, reducing both accuracy and hitting power. Then, assuming zombies are normal human mass on average, they will recoil back from the impact just as much as their victim. They will have to push back against something to move toward their victim again and have a second swing.
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It's not a melee situation. It's a grapple and bite situation followed by heavy feeding for the zombie. Your premise doesn't follow. BTW how DID the zombies get into orbit?
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Chinese space program.
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akiron.. yes.. I did see the credits for dawn of the dead. The island thing works.
you need to stand off a bit with lots of ammo... ring the dinner bell and shoot the idiot zombies as they come to the slaughter.. they can't harm you but you can turn barrels red hot shooting em... much like groundhog shooting but.... easier.
you need to have fuel and you need to have food and you need to have lots of ammo tho... but only for a few days... a couple of good days shooting should get just about every zombie on the island... nothing but a little cleanup work after that.
It would be childs play to headshoot a couple thousand in a few days.
lazs
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An island would seem like a safe haven assuming that zombies can't swim or walk on the bottom of the ocean/lake. What if the movies are wrong and zombies can sense you far away and get to an island. Perhaps cornering yourself isn't such a good idea?
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There are some really solid strategies here, and some interesting adaptations to them, but you could be overlooking a serious risk. It is not safe to assume that no-one in the O'club will be turned (in fact, it is quite possible that several of you already are zombies). As such, by sharing your ideas, choices for transport, types of shelter you might seek, etc, you are unwittingly giving information to potential (ney, future )zombies which might be used against you at a later date.
Just sayin'.
Here in the midwest, Wal Mart stocks pretty much everything you need in the way of small caliber rifles, shotguns, and all the accessories, spare parts, and ammo you might want. Also, their distribution centers will rival or even eclipse the Nat. Guard armories, and won't be defended by professional soldiers.
Spare tires, jerry cans, jacks, batteries, food, survival gear, etc etc- all in one place. All you need is the transportation there, and you could probably score a ride from the service bays if you lack a proper vehicle. Also, should you get trapped in the store, there's always the roof. As has been mentioned, the only real achilles heal of such stores are the large front entries, which could be barricaded pretty easily if you're resourceful, and don't get caught completely unprepared. If you're really sharp, you'll have made your way to a Walmart in a smaller area, where the number of potential zombies you'll be facing initially is much smaller than a store in a larger metro area.
edit: Got completely offtopic there. Ruger 10/22, backpack full of mags, couple bricks of HP, maybe some CCI minimags, although their louder report may be more of a liability than an asset. Perhaps distribute those to other survivors, causing them to attract more per capita zombies? hmmm
Standard gauge shotgun, like a 500 with pistol grips and a shorter barrel for close in work, and probably another with a standard stock and slug barrel. Ammo for both of course, and probably grab the old Field Commander and all the 9mm ball I could scavenge.
For the hand to undead hand stuff, I'm a big fan of Fiskars, and they make a really nice set of hatchets and camp axes- unbreakable handles (read that, can't be gnawed through by zombies, and can be jammed into door handles in a pinch), and can be sharpened easily in a matter of minutes with their sharpening tool. A machete or a kukri would round out the set nicely, I think.
All off the shelf items, and should I get caught by the rise of the undead when I'm not at home, I wouldn't be up a creek.
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I think I'll remain mobile and try to avoid any situation I'm not adequately equipped to deal with. Living primarily in sparsely populated areas with occasional forays into towns or cities for supplies seems the most likely way to prolong my survival. Joining forces with a few resourceful survivors will also be my goal. Sounds like I should be living in northern Idaho today. ;)
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Joining with other survivors is probably bad. as popular fiction shows us they are the first to either be turned. go insane and protect their zombiefied love ones with deadly force, or do stupid crap that your other survivors wish to save them from and drag you into. Give me my K98 and my medieval military hammer and all is good.
Here is a question in a world of auto reanimation what do you do with granny or a loved one in a fragile health condition?
Oh that Hoverround commercial freaks me out. especially the first part. Motorized zombies.
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>cough< The Walking Dead comic book>cough<
hmm...
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Hub,
You hit on an important point. Even in rural areas the Wal-Marts & malls are going to be crawling with the living dead. The distrubution centers, well at most they may have the reanimated corpes of the employees, couldnt be more than a hundred or so. Much easier to gain access than a store.
Also those dist centers will have loading docks (easy above ground level ingress & egress), as well as semis which could come in very useful.
Once secured these dist. centers could also serve as a base of operations, a mini-fortress. Plenty of supplies including canned food (most likely).
I may have to revise my Emergency Zombie Attack Protocols accordingly.
My take on military installations was they would be deserted. If occupied by trained soldiers/marines/airmen/seamen I would instead of "looting" attempt to join.
One other thing ... eventually the existing food supplies will dwindle and be consumed completly. We would have to revert to an agrarian society. Which would mean we would eventually have to secure a large enough area to plant crops and raise livestock in a relatively safe environment.
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akiron... an island would not be trapped.
You would have a back door.. the best boat the island had could be equipped and in a cove and ready to go just in case. being mobile in a situation where the threat is huge and everywhere is simply making yourself a bunny rabbit.
you can fortify a spot on the island.. you at least will have breathing room to think about something other than how to get what you need to run away again this afternoon.... every afternoon...
lazs
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I'm in agreement with the Island idea.
Additionally I think, if the zombies on the mainland decided to head to the island, and if there was any way they could make the trek without being devoured by all the scavengers in the ocean or manage not to fall into a trench where the water pressure would make them pop, or into an undersea volcano where they get vaporized, only a really persistant zombie would make it across the ocean and, by the time it made it to the island it wouldn't be much of a threat.
I still say a shark would eat a zombie.
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Step #1
Get as large a group of good people you can find. Get 1 or 2 big yellow buses, and 1 or 2 big rigs with really long empty box trailers.
Get to home depot and raid the place. Using 1/4" sheet metal line the buses and the big rig cabs from a foot up to almost the tops of the windows, so the only way in and out is from a hole in the roof. Load up on supplies, rope, batteries, flashlights.. ect.
Raid as many markets as possible for long lasting shelf food.
Get on the road and find gun stores. Load up with with as many low and medium caliber firearms as possible. Take the store owners and there family's with you.
Set up the buses and big rigs to be mobile gun platforms.
Step #2
Find a low populated area, and kill all the zombies there.
Set up a temporary town for the living, and scan the radio waves until you can find other large groups of rovers.
Step #3
Hook up with that group and repeat step 2.
Step #4
Repeat step's 2 and 3.
This is assuming that the zombies are the typical slow lumbering ones from night of the living dead.
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Hmmm, airsofters do zombie scenarios every so often (we're having one just before Halloween) and one thing you learn is that the zombie hoards will eventually overwhelm even a heavily fortified position. I'm all with speed55 on this one. You need to fight back other wise what are you going to do.
If on an island you will eventually run out of ammo and it's not like you could keep your society on an island for ever; you would eventually have to get back to the zombie mainland and when you did many would be fighting them with primitive spears and such.
Back to speed 55's suggestion; I would suggest getting to a factory and modifying the school buses so that they will accept those huge redneck off-road tires, then welding large spikes onto some snow chains. That way you can run zombies over and the spikes should act like bullets when they strike the zombies head. I would also use the armored big rigs to keep the children and women not brave enough to fight safe. I would have large blades on the sides of all vehicles designed to rip the zombies to pieces (at least this way they'll have to crawl along).
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Having just seen the new Resident Evil, it's safe to say...
You're all dead unless your a psychic super-being.
The zombie-birds will get ya, the swarm is just too big.
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I can definitely see flaws with some of your ideas. This all assumes these are normal Hollywood zombies. (zombie classique) Suppose they are zombies like in the movie 28 days later. (Which joking aside, is actually not that implausible). Those zombies are easy enough to kill but one drop of their blood on you and you join the horde! So in any melee situation you would be in great danger.
Therefore we would need stand off weapons of some sort. Shotguns, knives and any close in stuff would splatter you with brains and gore. Not nice. :( So it has to be rifles and handguns and I think one that hasn't been mentioned here yet, mortars. You can zero in on concentration points in your defence perimeter with your mortar and zap them all. The island idea is nice but you would need forays to the mainland for supplies. Very risky.
Here in Ireland, which is in fact a big island, a better option would be to re-fortify an old castle or fortified house. The countryside is littered with them. Ironically many were built by the English to keep out marauding Irish. This is the one owned by Jeremy Irons the actor who is clearly ready for the impending Zombypocalyspe(http://home.iprimus.com.au/wjod/DoA/Images/castle_kilcoe03.jpg) Admittedly that's not really an option for Americans. :rofl But, just re-fill the moat and get the boiling oil ready.
It worked in the middle ages and it will work now. We also have lots of round towers which were originally built to hold off the Vikings, surely the dark ages equivalent of zombies.(http://www.stcolman.com/images/col70.jpg) Once the zombie alert goes off, we all head into the tower, pull up the rope ladder and set about sniping at the zombies gathered below.
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Brainfilled castle = zombie homing beacon.
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Originally posted by Gryphons
If on an island you will eventually run out of ammo and it's not like you could keep your society on an island for ever; you would eventually have to get back to the zombie mainland and when you did many would be fighting them with primitive spears and such.
Why would you have to go back to the mainland? Once you've established a zombie free island you learn to live off of the land. Cultivate crops and breed provisional stock.
Granted the 28 days later scenario is the most frightening which leads me back to Laz's suggestion that you park just far enough off shore to pick them off one by one until they are gone or their numbers are low enough to go get them with stand off weapons.
We all know they're drawn to sound so you get on the bull horn and yell 'zombie... you zombie... fresh brains right out here on the boat' and BOOM... good zombie
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well.... if their blood is poisonous... it is even more imperative that you stand off in a boat and long range head shoot em. easy to do... much easier than clearing a pasture of grounhogs... bigger and dumber targets that don't hide and become scarce.
you sure would not want a machete or a cricket paddle if the blood was poison.
running out of ammo in America in the next couple of generations would not be possible. converting to black powder is not difficult during the dark ages either.
you can make black powder and black powder firearms fairly simply. A good blackpowder revolver, like an 1858 remington with a few extra cylinders would work fine on zombies. What it did then.. it will still do today...
lazs
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Nuke the site from altitude, it's the only way to be sure.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-8/48257/Swoop2.gif)
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Oh come on, Swoop, you're being completely unrealistic.
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I think I'll just join the zombies. Mmmmmmmm donu... er... brains.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Oh come on, Swoop, you're being completely unrealistic.
:rofl
:aok
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-8/48257/Swoop2.gif)
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
Why would you have to go back to the mainland? Once you've established a zombie free island you learn to live off of the land. Cultivate crops and breed provisional stock.
I guess it depends on the size of the island. I was picturing a fairly small one, maybe large enough for a few villages or some cottages. However even then, unless your going to put in place some kind of Aztec-esque human sacrificial practices then your island will eventually over populate then you have the choices of moving to another island or going to mainland areas.
I was also going under the assumption that the undead can't starve to death so they will still be there waiting for humans to return. As for the crops, unless your planing on growing vegetation native to the island you picked than your going to need to bring all the seed with you for the first years crops (which is fine just make sure you don't forget while your gathering ammo, weapons and good looking female survivors).
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Actually I was thinking a fairly good sized island. Something that was inhabited before but not over inhabited.
I would also think that, eventually, all of the zombies would rot from natural exposure. Perhaps not those that were locked in malls etc but, if after a few years, you HAD to venture forth to the mainland, I'm guessing the zombies that hadn't decayed because they were locked indoors and thus protected from the elements wouldn't be much of a threat.
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You fail to consider that other groups of survivors might stay in the mainlands, and eventually themselves be turned. If this is the case, and I consider it likely, there would still be some zombies wandering around in relatively good shape.
Even more frightening, is that the spartan existance led by those survivors would result in lean, strong zombies with well developed musculature, compared to the fat lazy beer drinking bbs reading zombies we will encounter initially.
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Originally posted by Coshy
Hub,
You hit on an important point. Even in rural areas the Wal-Marts & malls are going to be crawling with the living dead. The distrubution centers, well at most they may have the reanimated corpes of the employees, couldnt be more than a hundred or so. Much easier to gain access than a store.
rural areas...theres a reason zombie movies take place in blue cities...and britain.
even in suburban areas...there shouldnt be more than a few hundred zombies in a wal-mart...they have big wide open parking lots, get on top of a tall vehicle, and start shooting.
even Molotov cocktails are going to do a lot of damage to a group of zombies...as long as you stay high enough that they cant reach you.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
You fail to consider that other groups of survivors might stay in the mainlands, and eventually themselves be turned. If this is the case, and I consider it likely, there would still be some zombies wandering around in relatively good shape.
Even more frightening, is that the spartan existance led by those survivors would result in lean, strong zombies with well developed musculature, compared to the fat lazy beer drinking bbs reading zombies we will encounter initially.
I would like to nominate this for the most well thought out and well reasoned post of the entire thread Hubs..
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an island would simply be a base.. once you were there you would have breathing room.. there would be more boat stuff around than you know what to do with and... probly ammo and firearms... no decent male doesn't have ammo and firearms stashed.
You don't have to hit the mainlands viking style... you can hit other islands from your base and clear em... gather what they have or whatever... you can hit any of the thousands of well stocked dock areas on the mainland too... one group to hit the dock and search and one sniper group standing off with high powered rifles.
you should have plenty of everything for decades... if you are a little cautious.. you will be in no danger..
If the zombies win... then you simply have to wait till they all are so decayed that you can get more inland and eventually... the whole planet will be yours for the taking...
If they lose..... you need to worry about what kind of government the victorious survivors have established... you should be able to tell which way the wind blows by the radio and any survivors you happen to run across..
I would, of course, be running the whole thing. The dawning of a brave new world is upon us!
lazs
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About the risk of very vulnerable uninfected among us: Every one of them wears a small pouch of binary explosive rigged to detonate the wearer's head off if he/she pronounces "gnaa".
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Originally posted by lazs2
I would, of course, be running the whole thing. The dawning of a brave new world is upon us!
lazs
I'll eat your brains with some fava beans and a nice chianti.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I'll eat your brains with some fava beans and a nice chianti.
AAAAH ZOMBIE OMG SHOOT IT SHOOT IT!!!! I TOLD YOU, IT'S ALREADY BEGUN!!!
pop pop.
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So that is what you zombies are thinking.... oh well.. that was interesting..
BAM.
Now... back to running the world..
lazs
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Still no solution to the zombie birds.
ur all so dead.
(http://www.southlakes-uk.co.uk/photo/flockofbirds.jpg)
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In Romero's Zombie world there are no animal zombies. I guess that's where the premise came forth.
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I thought we'd established that animals don't reanimate?
If zombie birds are really an issue, why not get a bunch of zombie barncats? They're basically velociraptors with fur- the zombie birds would get destroyed. We're talking zombie sparrows and finches here, not pterodactyls.
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Looks like the zombies have already taken San Francisco. I think we may have to nuke the city to prevent their spread.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298039,00.html
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Settle down, Dr Strangelove- Cali's going to fall into the ocean any day now, and we'll need those nukes to negotiate for supplies later.
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Originally posted by ReyPirin
In Romero's Zombie world there are no animal zombies. I guess that's where the premise came forth.
Ahhh. Thought it was the new resident evil. The zombie birds were more dangerous than the dogs and even the "turbo zombies" (they sprint like they're on pcp, no shambling along).
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Is becoming a zombie a result of a virus or of dying? As I recall the original premise was that there was no more room in hell. Which, considering my workplace, could be accurate.
So are we talking
A) a virus
B) a metaphysical event
or
C) a shifting antigen weapon?
These are all important points that need to be addressed because they all take on their own threads of thought.
If we're talking a simple virus then each individual infected by it should become an imperfect host and eventually those who have a natural resistance to said virus should be immune.
If we're talking a metaphysical event then would the righteous ones just drop dead when bitten and head towards the pearly gates?
If we're talking a shifting antigen weapon then certain species that share physical characteristics would be susceptible to said virus. Yet certain members of both the human and animal populace would retain a natural immunity.
Going back to point B... if you know that your path leads 'up' or towards 'divine enlightenment' then grab a 38 and pop a few before they overtake you. No need for an island If you're Islamic by faith then you have 72 virgins waiting for you (it's going to suck when you find out it's 72 virgin male goats but hey you were faithful) . If you're of Christian faith then you are welcomed to the pearly gates.
Is it your brain they want? Because all of the zombie research I've done show them just generally attacking a human but not necessarily immediately going for the cranium. If it IS the brain that they want I think I'm relatively safe. Well unless they want a good beer buzz more than they want the brain matter.
Bottom line is I'm following Laz and working on my sharp shooting skills. I would like the position of '4 star General in charge of rescuing exotic female dancers who have managed to barricade themselves into the changing room'.
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
Bottom line is I'm following Laz and working on my sharp shooting skills. I would like the position of '4 star General in charge of rescuing exotic female dancers who have managed to barricade themselves into the changing room'.
You are waaaay too late for that position. However, I will need a subordinate or advisory board of some sort, and your enthusiasm in this field will serve you well in my Kommand.
With regards to the other stuff- I think, given the current state of medicines and viral pathology (where the cold is incurable, and medication for toenail fungus can and will kill you), a viral zombie seems incredibly unlikely. Moreover, I suspect that any zombie in the transitional period after being infected would suspect toe nail fungus, take the medicine, and die.
As far as SAWs- no one is going to be able to afford them under their current health care plans, and until the pharmaceutical reps start pushing them, and passing out samples at the doctor's office, I'm not going to worry about that.
A metaphysical event, such as possession and reanimation seems the most likely, as this is the typified scenario in which they require brains for the unique chemical properties and nutrients to sustain post mortem existance. As such, I'm still going to shoot anyone who frightens me in the head.
What was your question again?
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Originally posted by indy007
Ahhh. Thought it was the new resident evil. The zombie birds were more dangerous than the dogs and even the "turbo zombies" (they sprint like they're on pcp, no shambling along).
Indy you dork, that's a movie. We're talking realistic scenarios here, not some farsical remake of a videogame. I can't believe I wasted that much time coming up with "zombie barncats". You're on my ignore list.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Indy you dork, that's a movie. We're talking realistic scenarios here, not some farsical remake of a videogame. I can't believe I wasted that much time coming up with "zombie barncats". You're on my ignore list.
I kind of liked the zombie barncats :(
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lazs II the benevolent... has a nice ring to it huh?
Riots and zombie infestations may seem like a bad thing to some but....
And hubsie... you might want to be a teensy bit nicer to me if you don't want to switch from exotic dancer rescuer to official food taster.
lazs
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Sure thing Granpa Lazs. Want some zombie barncats? I must warn you, they are not housebroken. Definitely not indoor cats by any means.
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I'd would head to Dallas Texas.
I would be surrounded by Texans and that alone would save me.
Cuz it would starve out the Zombies!!!
Everyone knows...
Texans have No BRAINS!!!!
*Runs like Hell!*
:rofl
Mac
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Contrary to popular belief, zombies are not just midless shufflers. They have a leader and a master plan.
I have it on good authority that a boatload of zombie guerillas will land in Manhattan, where they can set to work infecting the local population. The beauty of this plan is its simplicity and stealth, for the entire population could be subverted and no outsider would ever notice a difference.
By the time the attack was discovered, it would be too late, and the entire state of New York overrun. Since even the zomies have standards, only Brooklyn would be safe.
From New York, the zombie millions would fan out across the country. A line might be held at the Mississippi, but only if Human Shields from the west coast do not become involved. Failing that, the uninfected still bearing arms and willing to fight might break the assault by defending the Rockies, supported by military aircraft napalming the hordes as they shuffle through the mountain passes.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Contrary to popular belief, zombies are not just midless shufflers. They have a leader and a master plan.
I have it on good authority that a boatload of zombie guerillas will land in Manhattan, where they can set to work infecting the local population. The beauty of this plan is its simplicity and stealth, for the entire population could be subverted and no outsider would ever notice a difference.
By the time the attack was discovered, it would be too late, and the entire state of New York overrun. Since even the zomies have standards, only Brooklyn would be safe.
From New York, the zombie millions would fan out across the country. A line might be held at the Mississippi, but only if Human Shields from the west coast do not become involved. Failing that, the uninfected still bearing arms and willing to fight might break the assault by defending the Rockies, supported by military aircraft napalming the hordes as they shuffle through the mountain passes.
Are you saying this is hillary's plan???? :O :noid
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Actually, while suspicion fell on Hillary, initially at least, the evidence linking her to the plot is tenuous at best.
Latest intelligence indicates that the plan originated with a lawyer in a little known Boston legal firm; one Denny Crane.
What his motives are is anyone's guess. Crane has disappeared, and the FBI and CIA are desparately searching for him....for obvious reasons.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Contrary to popular belief, zombies are not just midless shufflers. They have a leader and a master plan.
I have it on good authority that a boatload of zombie guerillas will land in Manhattan, where they can set to work infecting the local population. The beauty of this plan is its simplicity and stealth, for the entire population could be subverted and no outsider would ever notice a difference.
By the time the attack was discovered, it would be too late, and the entire state of New York overrun. Since even the zomies have standards, only Brooklyn would be safe.
From New York, the zombie millions would fan out across the country. A line might be held at the Mississippi, but only if Human Shields from the west coast do not become involved. Failing that, the uninfected still bearing arms and willing to fight might break the assault by defending the Rockies, supported by military aircraft napalming the hordes as they shuffle through the mountain passes.
Oh be serious won't you? ;)
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nope.. real zombies are stupid as stumps.
the welfare and section 8 types we see stumbling about in baggy pants are not real zombies.. they have rudimentary intelligence but their bite will not turn the living into a zombie... it may infect tho.
There is no danger that the fake zombies will ever be a problem... most will be turned into real zombies and the rest will starve after they burn down their own homes over some percieved slight or injustice or just for the feral fun of the thing.
lazs