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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: ScorpCH on September 19, 2007, 02:12:47 PM
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lets face it, we've all seen great dogfights on the video forum. i think its much more intense reading about it though, let the the reader get his own image of the battle. it also lets the reader know what the pilot was thinking durign the fight, making it much more personal. i'd like to dedicate this thread to greatest dogfights people have experienced, and hopefuly people will share thier experiences for others to read and learn from.
I'll start out:
For those of you who know me im a p38 fanatic. one day in the MA i was flying back and forth in my P38L from a friendly base to the enemy base where there was a decent fight taking place. Stayign above 14k i scanned for high targets cherry picking friendlies below. after scanning for about 3mins i spotted a lone spit roughly 13k. i watch him as i closed on him as he just cherry picked friendlies below in a dogfight of about 7 knights and 9 rooks. flying in with my back to the sun, i put my nose down to pick some airspeed and waited for the spit to come back up from a cherry pick. just as i got closer i realised it was a spit 16. again for those of you who know me.... know i REALY hate spits, specialy spixteen who cherry pick. knowing what my target was exactly, i lined up on the spit as he came up to the top of his climb. as i closed on the spit, all the hatred for the dweebs who fly nothign but the spixteen made my blood boil. i watch him loop over to go in for another pick. i rolled to the right 90 degrees and kicked in right rudder, settign my crosshairs just infront of his nose and let a 3 second busrt of .50's and 20mm hispanoes. i watched the tracer rounds hit home on the spits tail followed by two peices im guessing to be the evelvators, fall off. it must have been the elevators because the spit went into the dive and never came out.
with the hi spit dead, i started scanning for mroe targets and found 3 rooks chasing a knight along the coast line. i cut my throttle and went into a dive, kickign heavy right rudder and using left airleon to make my 38 do a sideways skid through the air almost, works great for diving in the 38, dotn build up too much e from the dive. i cam in behind the pack chaising the fellow knight and i lined up on the plane to the rear of the pact, another spit 16 (go figure...). i lined up on him from 400 out and let a busrt go that pinged his left wing. as soon as i pinged him he broke up and to the right and i follow for a second pourign lead into him as he went up. He exploded in a nasty fireball s i banked my fighter back to the left and got back in on the cons following the knight. next on the list was a p51d, firign wildy at the knight plane. i called on ranged for the knight to bank his plane left a little bit to get the pony to follow. he did and presented a beautiful shot on the pony's left wing. I pulled the rigger and .50's turned his left wing into swiss cheese and the spiraled down into the soup, hittign the water with big boom. 3 kills, one left. the last rook harrasing my fellow night was a lone 109-g6. the knight was bankign wildly avoiding the 109 who was less then 200 out from his 6. i closed on the 109 and lined up a shot... and just as i went to pull the trigger he broke hard to the left and went into a spiral climb to the left. i punched the throttle foreward and hit the WEP adn followed him up. i watched as my airspeed bled away, i could tell he was tryign to rope me so i got the idea to wiggle the wing s a bit to make it look like i was floundering. so i wiggle the stick a little bit as the p38 rocked from right to left and sure enough the 109 rolled over and made a pass on me. i dipped the nose down and to the left, barely avoiding 20mm's to the face (dirty rooks! *shakes fist*). i saw him comign around on my 6 and gettign ready to make another pass at me. i went into a shallow dive to get my speed back. we were at 7k so i baited him for a second, make it look like i was running, and he fell right for my trap. he dove in from 1k out and i went into a dive as well, waited till he closed to 600 feet, cut my throttle to idle, pulled up and kicked in hard right rudder and went into a barrel roll makign him over shoot, i pulled up the nose, kicked the WEP and went vertical with him again. this time though, he went into a loop. i dropped a notch of flaps and trimmed my elevator all the way forward and followed him through the loop, randomly firing my 50's at him, scoring hits on his nose and left wing. once we came back level again he banked hard to the right and i followed him, but before i had a chance to reverse back he had already rolled back to the left and got in on my 6. i dipped the nose to te left and cut throttle and went into a hard right turn. he followed the turn like i'd hoped so i dropped another 2 notch of flaps and gave the girl a little power as i kicked the rudder hard to left into a roll and then reversed back to the left, i saw him doing the same off my 5 oclock and when he turned into me i reversed back to right again and before i knew it, i was in a low speed, scissoring knife fight with a 109 in a 38. we were barely 400 feet off the deck so there was no room to nose down and run, so this was a fight to the end. i dropped the rest of the flaps and kicked her over to left again listening to the sounds of the 109's engine behind me and guns chattering movign fromt he left headphone to the right head phone. i looked behind me and saw him reversing back towards me again, so i banked to the right again but i pulled up and kicked in heavy left rudder and cuttign the throttle, buring a load of e, and finishing the roll, going back to the left watching as the 109 passed just feet above my cockpit and i rolled back in his direction, applyign heavy left rudder againt o keep my e down. i rolled right in behind him, cept for now he was scissoring to stay alive this time. zig zaging through the air, riding on the knife's edge of the minumum airspeed out A/C could sustain, one of use was bound to screw up eventualy, fortunalty for me, it was him. in the midst of the scissoring he popped full flaps and went up into a rollign scissors. Riding the WEP to stay with him in the climb i trimmed my elevators all the way up again, giving me the turnign advantage, my guns crosshairs began to inch closer to him with each roll. soon my patience paid off and i got the shot. i let a burst go, missing him but just barely, so i pulled back hard ont he stick, gettign more of a lead, and i just layed on the guns. i watched as my .50's and what was left of my 20mm's danced from one wingtip, to the cockpit, to the other wingtip. there was a pause and then i hear a BOOM! in front of me as i watched a fireball replaced what was once my deadly, but very worthy adversary. Low on fuel and with only 350 .50's and no more 20mm's left i pulled the flaps up and made a b-line for the closest knight base, landing 4 kills, worth a total of 17 perkies.
that fight was so intense, i caught myself holding my breath (literaly) at moments. afte rit was all said and done, i had to go smoke a cigarrette (kids, stay in school, and say no to drugs and cigarrettes) just to calm my nerves down. i remember givign the 109 driver a but to this day i cant recall his name =(.
And thats my story. RAWR!!! FEAR THE 38 DWEEBS:mad: :rolleyes:
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P-38 sucks.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
P-38 sucks.
ack-ack
haha!!! this coming from one of the greatest p38 pilots in the game who's skills match that of the great Murdr. ack-man, you always make me laugh
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So let me get this straight. You came in at 14k on a 7k fight to pick off cherry pickers. Pot meet Kettle.
Sounds like you had a fun time with that 109. Wish I could get into a few of those kinda fights. Seems like all I ever find are runners.
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Had one of those fights a couple weeks ago. Soulyss, Shuffler, Silat, Murdr and I were up late in the evening and headed for the big red dar bar on the middle island.
I was in my 38G while the others were in Js and Ls. We waded into a sea of red and I ended up on the deck turning with a N1K, Spit 16, LA7 and a 51 among others. I was sure i was dead, but the old 38G was working as advertised as we turned and burned. I augered the 51, and shot down the Spit, LA and N1K, all while hanging on full flaps and stalling out. I recovered litterally 50 feet up and headed for home surprised I was still flying.
Of the 5 of us I think we only lost 1 38 and Shuff had 5, I had 4, Silat had 4, Soulyss had 7 and Murdr had 8 if I remember right, all air to air furballing kills.
How I didn't die I have no idea :)
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SRI Scorp...I didn't read it...can you say "wall-O-text"?
Tiger...nothing sweeter than making pie out of cherry pickers. A noble profession. :D
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:rofl :lol guppy i have been there more times then i would like to admit. when handled right, the 38 is an amazing plane aint it!??
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Originally posted by Tiger
Sounds like you had a fun time with that 109. Wish I could get into a few of those kinda fights. Seems like all I ever find are runners.
Fly a 38. no one runs from a bomber :rofl
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
SRI Scorp...I didn't read it...can you say "wall-O-text"?
Tiger...nothing sweeter than making pie out of cherry pickers. A noble profession. :D
mmm cherry pie
:D
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My greatest engagement...
I made if off the field without getting vulched..
(Ya, I suck).
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Greatest engagement?
Well, definitely not to the ex.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Had one of those fights a couple weeks ago. Soulyss, Shuffler, Silat, Murdr and I were up late in the evening and headed for the big red dar bar on the middle island.
I was in my 38G while the others were in Js and Ls. We waded into a sea of red and I ended up on the deck turning with a N1K, Spit 16, LA7 and a 51 among others. I was sure i was dead, but the old 38G was working as advertised as we turned and burned. I augered the 51, and shot down the Spit, LA and N1K, all while hanging on full flaps and stalling out. I recovered litterally 50 feet up and headed for home surprised I was still flying.
Of the 5 of us I think we only lost 1 38 and Shuff had 5, I had 4, Silat had 4, Soulyss had 7 and Murdr had 8 if I remember right, all air to air furballing kills.
How I didn't die I have no idea :)
Had a flight like that the other night when I was flying with you, Shuffler and BatfinkV. Great fun.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Had one of those fights a couple weeks ago. Soulyss, Shuffler, Silat, Murdr and I were up late in the evening and headed for the big red dar bar on the middle island.
I was in my 38G while the others were in Js and Ls. We waded into a sea of red and I ended up on the deck turning with a N1K, Spit 16, LA7 and a 51 among others. I was sure i was dead, but the old 38G was working as advertised as we turned and burned. I augered the 51, and shot down the Spit, LA and N1K, all while hanging on full flaps and stalling out. I recovered litterally 50 feet up and headed for home surprised I was still flying.
Of the 5 of us I think we only lost 1 38 and Shuff had 5, I had 4, Silat had 4, Soulyss had 7 and Murdr had 8 if I remember right, all air to air furballing kills.
How I didn't die I have no idea :)
Is this not illegal? I mean all you guys flying together in 38s? I'm glad I didn't stumble into you.
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Originally posted by Solar10
Is this not illegal? I mean all you guys flying together in 38s? I'm glad I didn't stumble into you.
It's hard to get a kill on S.A.P.P. nights. These bastages killem faster than you can switch targets.:furious :furious :D
Bronk
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My most recent good engagement:
2 P51s from the 4th vs Me and Kjetil (80th)
P51s started with alt but lost it trying to set us up. A P51 dove on Kjetil and I went after that P51, Kjetil evaded and the second P51 went after me. Kjetil went after the second P51. I finally caught up to the first P51 but the second P51 was gaining on me so I broke off. Kjetil switched to the first P51 and I switched to the second. Good wingman tactics by the P51s and 80th. Eventually I shot down one of the P51s so the other P51 high tailed it back to land.
At that point a higher spit8 and P38 engaged us. I took the spit8 out quickly and Kjetil was soon on the P38, soon after Chanzz engaged me in his yak9u. He started on my 6 and got my oil leaking, and after some barrel rolling/scissors-like manouvers I ended up getting convergence on Chanzz's wingroot.
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I always have fun with the AA squad,
all AA's. Yesterday we got a mission going in P-51D's. I think we had 8 people so we set wingmen and everything. We got over the target and found out that the enemy was higher than we thought, so we only got a 3K advantage rather than a 7K advantage. A great fight we had that day with many fights in one sortie.:aok
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I posted this in 2001. The mission I intercepted was two F4U-1Ds, three B-17Gs and one P-51D. This was before bombers had foprmations, so each B-17 had its own pilot. I still remember this fight, even six years later:
I took off of A1 on the isles map in a C.202 and started heading east, towards a big blip on the radar. I'm climbing out and the dots appear, they are at a higher altitude than I am. There are six dots, 3 in front and bit lower and really close together and 3 above and behind them. As I get closer the icons pop up and show them to be 3 B-17Gs in formation being escorted by 2 F4Us and 1 P-51D.
Now, I'm not stupid and I haven't got any plans to attack 3 B-17s in close formation in a C.202, but I think "Let's see if we can't have some fun with the escort fighters."
I slide in behind and about 5,000ft below the bombers and start climbing up their low sixes like I'm an idiot, but I'm only glancing at the bombers. Most of the time I'm watching the escorts.
Sure enough, all three of them peel off and come diving down to save their B-17s from my horrible, viscious C.202. I break turn out of their firing lanes and then the melee commences.
After a few turns I saddle up on the P-51D and riddle him with fire. I lit him up like a Christmas tree, he puts it a shallow dive and an F4U is beginning to look a bit too comfortable behind me so I break turn again. I never saw the P-51D again. He just kept on running.
Twisting and turning some more its clear these guys didn't learn from the Mustang's mistake and are deadset on underestimating my C.202. I line up on the first F4U and hold the trigger down like bullets are money and I'm a sailor on my last day of shore leave. This one breaks apart and tumbles into the sea. Death by a thousand cuts.
That seems to do the trick of snapping the other F4U back to reality and he realizes that I am going to kill him if he doesn't change tactics. Problem he has is that he is now much lower than I am, probably stalled trying to turn with me. I dive towards him as he trys to get some steam up and run. As I close to firing range he does a break turn to avoid my fire and I pull in on his tail. He's rolling and turning as best he can, but now he realizes that his F4U can't out acclerate my C.202 at these speeds and I'm too close for him to level out. He gets more and more desparate as my bursts fly around him, then he pulls it a bit too hard and does a lovely half spin and piroet into the ocean.
I decided that I had done enough and I was running a little low on fuel, so I proceeded to A1 and landed.
And that is an example of how not to escort bombers.
If they'd ignored me I would have broken off and gone elsewhere. If they'd ignored me and I'd actually been dumb enough to attack 3 B-17s from the low six in a C.202 I would have been shredded at no threat to the bombers.
Instead a single C.202 stripped a somewhat organized mission of its fighter cover because they insisted on getting a kill and underestimating the C.202. It does have guns you know.
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The night Ack Ack was refering to was a nice fight. In that one run I turned , rolled, and stalled to kill a 109, Spit8, Spit16, and a Nik....
I was out of ammo 0 mg and 0 canon... turned for home on the deck. Looked up and saw a 205 rolling over to engage so I turn hard so he'd miss and miss he did... the fight was on... at least for him, I just wanted my Mommy. I called for assistance, Ack Ack and Dan were coming from the base about 3/4 sector away, Batfink was in his own rolling fight. I just continued to roll, slide, tumble and match the 205 maneuver for maneuver. I had my 38L hanging on the breeze when I watched out my 9 o'clock as the 205 floundered and planted in the dirt. Won't mention any names but I bet he was one ticked pilot (would have really been more so had he known I was bingo ammo) lol. Made it back to base with no damage and 5 kills. Was all good fun to you all.
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Originally posted by Shuffler
I called for assistance, Ack Ack was at 35,000ft and Dan was coming from the base about 3/4 sector away, Batfink was in his own rolling fight. I just continued to roll, slide, tumble and match the 205 maneuver for maneuver.
Sorry had to make a slight correction. I don't want people believing those false reports and rumors of me flying on the deck. I also request those that have films from that night to promptly delete them as well as they incorrectly show me on the deck and not at my stated 35,000ft. I do have a reputation to uphold.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by ScorpCH
Stayign above 14k i scanned for high targets cherry picking friendlies below. after scanning for about 3mins i spotted a lone spit roughly 13k. i watch him as i closed on him as he just cherry picked friendlies below in a dogfight of about 7 knights and 9 rooks.
So I cherry picked him in return and two of his buddies. As I attempted to cherry pick a 4th guy he fought back as I bounced his 6. I barely survived this fight, even though i started out on his 6.
fixed! :aok :)
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I had the greatest fight in a seafire that I will never forget.
It stated tring to defend a port with little con trying to take it, I kept landing kills and when to resupply. I got back up unbenouced to me was a mission on the way to take the port, just about eight guys,and only tow bish pilots with me, so very out numberd, there was the 110's a jug and couple of zeros.
I began my attack on the jug that was low, lined up and took him out. I looked oevr and there goes one of my teamates, two left he had two kills. came around and snuck a zero kill, two for me, the other bish is dead now so its two to one anfd there is only two zeros left.
I quicky got on the first one and imedietly got tracer fires, broke off and got some e. got away from that zero and merge again kil the first one. I had only 45 cannons left so the next shot had to be perfect. I caught up to him he wasat the port by then but caught his six and took out his rudder in one pass, lucky shot.
it was a lot of fun to be greatly out numberd and still land four kills in the end.
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you all woke up.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Sorry had to make a slight correction. I don't want people believing those false reports and rumors of me flying on the deck. I also request those that have films from that night to promptly delete them as well as they incorrectly show me on the deck and not at my stated 35,000ft. I do have a reputation to uphold.
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In reality Ack Ack WAS on the deck doing this.... (http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q96/Shuff_photos/AddEmoticons04222.gif)
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i have great engagements every time (well almost) i fly to many to list and besides that im most often the one dying.:D :cry :furious
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Ive had a few with guppy and the crue shuffler raptor etc...
my most memorable was me skatsr and skatjr winging together against 20 someodd planes. And i have quite a few memorable squad nights, guppy please delete all films of yesterday i wasnt and never have flown a bomber:noid
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had some nice fights with dedalos tonight
ded
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Sounds like ya handle that BOMBER just fine :aok
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hey now, no need to call the p38 a bomber, even though there was a lvl bomber version created call the 'droop snoot'. sure it can carry nearly the equivilent amount of ords of that of a b26, but when a 38 gets light and and switches to guns and starts scanning for a target you better hope you can run away or pray and hope you get lucky.
had another intersting battle last night. chawks were havign squad night and we were attacking rooks, simply cause rook are dirty and need to be liberated from thier formerselves ( but thats nother story). i forget the number of the base, but it was in the middle of the map along the rook/knight border. i was 18k in my pony scannign for hi cons as usual. i spot a dot on dar just north of me over a friendly base. i get there and see a spit16 sitting just above the cloud cover. i was a little disappointed it was another dweeb spixteen, but hey it was a rook so i should have expected it:p. i got over top and behind him and rolled in on him. he saw me at about 800 out and rolled his plane to the right. i anticipated the move and led him a little bit, gettign a few hits on his tail. then i shot up like a rocket and did a hi yo-yo you counter his turn. not sure what happened after that, but i remember having full flaps out, elevator trim all the way forward, turning with that spit. i got my guns on him and gave him about 150 rounds from each set of guns. he went up ina fireball. with him dead i went to support the attack on the vbase to the south. i got to 17k again and began scanning for targets. i spotted none and went below the cloud cover to look for targets. i saw a p38 and an f4u co-alt heading straight for me. i pretended to be a nub and go head on with the both of them but i nose down and pulled up into a loop. i dont know what happened to the f4u, afte rthe loop he just seem to disappear. so it ws just me and the 38. he wasnt a very experienced pilot from what i could tell. he turned on the head on merge when i looped, bad move on his part. i came outta the loops and saw him turning to the right just off my 3 oclock. so i pulled another hi yoyo and got in behind him and shredded his plane with my .50's. all of the sudden i get check 6 calls from 3 different knights and i look behind me to see a spit 14 600 behind me and closing. i kick the stick to the left and slam the right rudder all the way foreward, making him zoom right past me, but not before he took out my rudder. he pulled up again for another pass so i turned to bait him into my trap. still at 9k i had plenty of playign room. i watch him as he began to dive in on me so i nosed down and went into a WEP dive in my pony. when he got 600 out i cut the throttle and pulled up and into a large barrel roll. he cut his throttle tryign to stay with me, but couldnt and went up a bit to counter the barrel roll. i followed him up and saw him go inverted to come back down so i did the same. next thing i know, we are in a rollign scissors manuver barely 100 feet off the deck. im full flaps hanging on for dear life, waiting for the spits buddy to come pick me while im slow, but he never shows. we go for another loop in the rollign scissors and im tryign to watch hima nd the ground at the same time. i reach the top of my rolling scissors and then next thing i hear is a loud boom behind me. i look back and the spit is gone, and i got a proxie :D . i level otu and get my airspeed back up and pull my flaps up, began to head for home. no sooner did i get to 300 mph, i look back and see a typh headed for me 5k out. shot up and heading for home, against my better judement, i decided to engage the typhoon head on. i close on him fast and i fire a short burst at him from 1000 out, scoring a few hits and i pulled up before i got in hhis 20mm hispano range. he follows me up and we do about 4 loops i counted. at the bottom of the first loop it hit me that typhoon's roll rate is horrible so i decided to scissor him, pulling into a left turn. watching him, i reversed back and forth, denying him a shot. i watch him as he pulled up into a loop after i got around on his 6, i couldnt follow him because i was barely maintianing 150 mph with full flaps. i followed him as high as i could and rolled over into another rollign scissors manuver. he tried to follow me, btu after the second loop of the rolling scissors i saw him auger, right into a group of trees. i flew home with a big smile on my face, a spit14 and typh out manuvered by a pony missing a rudder, both proxies, plus two normal kills. i dont know how i survived that fight but apparently someone was on my side :D to all who i fought wiht last night, it ws by far the most inentse night i have had in the game in the 9 months i have bene playing AH2.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Had a flight like that the other night when I was flying with you, Shuffler and BatfinkV. Great fun.
that was a great fight, we pretty decidedly owned them for 20 mins :) ak-ak made it home with 8 victories, the rest of us got a bag too, all this after i was sure we were all dead meat, turn fighting low n slow right next to the enemy base with spits and la7s coming out of our ear holes.