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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rpm on September 20, 2007, 01:16:15 AM
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Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has been denied a request to visit the World Trade Center site of the September 11 attacks, New York police said on Wednesday.
"The site is closed to visitors because of construction there," police spokesman Paul Browne said in a statement. "Requests for the Iranian president to visit the immediate area would also be opposed by the NYPD on security grounds."
link (http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN1931436420070919)
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no kidding.
geez.
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Originally posted by rpm
"Requests for the Iranian president to visit the immediate area would also be opposed by the NYPD on security grounds."
Fools!
They should announce exactly when he will be there. Let him visit the site.
And remove ANY and ALL secutirty for him.
Relax all gun laws for that area only
And then let the New Yorkers have at him.
Might save alot of future blood shed that way
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you mean take him hostage for a year or two to further our fundementalist
political goals right?
;)
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Can't we just put that bugger under Giants Stadium along with Hoffa?
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Originally posted by JB88
you mean take him hostage for a year or two to further our fundementalist
political goals right?
;)
No I mean let the New Yorkers make him die a death of 1,000 holes
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another martyr for their cause? no thanks.
(though i certainly understand the sentiment)
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do you think eliminating one man will also eliminate the problem? why hate the man? the solution is eradication of the culture and dragging islam kicking and screaming into the twenty first century. more would be accomplished by airdropping britney spears videos for six months then invading.
bonus question.
how was confucious deposed from power?
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Originally posted by AAolds
Can't we just put that bugger under Giants Stadium along with Hoffa?
Hoffa's buried in Berwyn Pennsylvania.
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If he and the imam who is the real power in iran were there together and got struck by a meteorite, maybe something would come of it. Offing just the president of iran would only make things even more radically fundamental there.
Having the plane go down and a video of osama praising the loss and taking claim for it might be interesting. :t
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Hoffa's buried in Berwyn Pennsylvania.
Are you sure? I have been to Berwyn many times and I've never seen the tombstone. LOL
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Originally posted by storch
do you think eliminating one man will also eliminate the problem? why hate the man? the solution is eradication of the culture and dragging islam kicking and screaming into the twenty first century. more would be accomplished by airdropping britney spears videos for six months then invading.
bonus question.
how was confucious deposed from power?
From a google search:
He gained renown as a teacher, but when he was 35. When Duke Zhao of Lu led his country to war, Confucius fled to the neighboring country of Qi; in the disorder following the battle, Confucius followed. Duke Zhao frequently came to him for advice, but upon counsel of one of his ministers, he decided against granting land to Confucius and gradually stopped seeking his counsel. When other nobles began plotting against Confucius' position, Duke Zhao refused to intervene, and Confucius returned to Lu. But conditions there were no better than before, and Confucius retired from public life to concentrate on teaching and studying.
At age 50, he was approached by the Baron of Qi to help defend against a rebellion, but he declined. He was later made a city magistrate by the new Duke of Lu, and under his administration the city flourished; he was promoted several times, eventually becoming Grand Secretary of Justice and, at age 56, Chief Minister of Lu. Neighboring countries began to worry that Lu would become too powerful, and they sent messengers with gifts and dancers to distract the duke during a sacrifice holiday. When the duke abandoned his duties to receive the messengers, Confucius resigned and left the country.
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The hell with the Iranian president.
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Originally posted by VonMessa
Are you sure? I have been to Berwyn many times and I've never seen the tombstone. LOL
Yup.
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Its OK that the USA has denied the person Ahmadinedjad to visit ground zero. He is a moron, but there other nations who also have a moron as president ;)
But in all the emotional propaganda of all sides one thing should not be forgotten:
When the news of the sunnite terrorist attack of 9/11 reached Iran in many iranian cities there were spontaneous demonstrations.
The people expressed their angryness against the terrorists who killed so many innocents and their sorrow with the people who had lost relatives in the attack.
No one in Iran - even of the fanatic mullahs - would see in the 9/11 terror-attack anything acceptable.
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Sorry but it sounds like preventing Soviet delegation from bringing flowers to Holocaust memorial.
The worst thing about it is that the poor guy tried to be polite, and some morons responsible for his visit probably have fun helping anti-American propaganda.
Just imagine news headlines: "Iranian President refused from bringing flowers to Ground Zero"....
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"Iranian President refused from bringing flowers to Ground Zero"....
Almost like Putin bringing flowers to a Kursk ceremony?
Would Pravda report that Boroda?
The worst thing about it is that the poor guy tried to be polite, and some morons responsible for his visit probably have fun helping anti-American propaganda.
Poor guy... he's sooo frikken polite... and I would not doubt Boroda that you know so much about propaganda and less of America.
~Touche~
Mac
Let him come to America...
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Again: Pravda now is nothing more then a moronic mustard-plaster leaflet made by marginals. And Pravda.ru is an internet yellow tabloid that has an English version.
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Im going to have to agree with Bororda. Im not sure why were keeping him out.
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Originally posted by Motherland
Im going to have to agree with Bororda. Im not sure why were keeping him out.
And you are from where?
Mac
BTW it's "we're" short for "we are" not were.
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Err... sorry on the apostrophe.
Central Pennsylvania. Yes, Im American. I dont see the point of not letting him come into the country. It would seem he's trying to extend peace, and it would seem that the United States would rather just have war.
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Ehm, the free country banning a foreign pres. looking into a memorial of stupid extremism.
There is an opening of less tension there, Why not?
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So nobody of the arab culture can visit ground zero?:huh :confused:
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Originally posted by RAIDER14
So nobody of the arab culture can visit ground zero?:huh :confused:
He's not even Arab. Iran is Persian. Thats like not letting Chinese visit Pearl Harbor...
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Uh we're not keeping him from entering the country, only ground zero. He is going to NYC to speek to the UN, and asked permission to enter the WTC site.
I agree with the decision not to let him enter ground zero, he is a tool. With all the rhetoric that he spews it wouldn't be out of the question to deny him entry into this country. And yes the world would be a better place without this man.
Motherland is correct he is not Arab he is Persian. Iranians don't consider themselves Arab, and Arabs don't consider Iranians Arab.
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He is going to speak at Columbia University in Manhattan on Monday.
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(http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2006/0609/ahmadinejad0916.jpg)
Can't say that New York City doesn't love you President Ahmadinejad...
BANG!!!
~Reuters~
Reports just in....
Shots rang out from all over New York City in celebration of the Iranian Presidents visit.
NYPD adminisitered a 21 gun sulute.
1 Injury reported.
Reports will be updated on the Iranian Presidents medical progress.
Film at 11:00.
Look you Iranian POS if your're not welcomed hereotherwise if you push the visit then wear some dam great body armour.
Like Regan would visit the US Embassy in Tehran in '83?.
Bring this Monkey Man on... let him die in a hail of bullets. He's asking for the Secret Service to supply his Security? At whos expense?
BURN HIS ARSE NOW!
It would save lives later.
Unless yer a frikken Clinton.
Mac
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Originally posted by RAIDER14
He is going to speak at Columbia University in Manhattan on Monday.
Now that is sad. Not that he is going to speak at Columbia University, but that they would want him too.
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Originally posted by SIK1
Now that is sad. Not that he is going to speak at Columbia University, but that they would want him too.
Source article (http://chronicle.com/news/article/3068/iranian-president-to-speak-at-columbia-u)
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Originally posted by SIK1
Now that is sad. Not that he is going to speak at Columbia University, but that they would want him too.
Its always good to hear from the other side.
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Originally posted by Motherland
Im going to have to agree with Bororda. Im not sure why were keeping him out.
Uh, could it be because he preaches extremism, the extermination of the Jewish population of Israel for example? Or maybe because he openly threatens the U.S. and the rest of the free world?
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(http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2006/0609/ahmadinejad0916.jpg)
This is why I Believe in Political Assassinations.
"Spare a Single Bullet, Save a Million Lives"
You Leftist Wingnuts can respond now....
BTW under Clinton where was Osama Bin Ladin?
Mac
Vote for his wife, she's just as Worthless.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Uh, could it be because he preaches extremism, the extermination of the Jewish population of Israel for example? Or maybe because he openly threatens the U.S. and the rest of the free world?
This is an extension of peace.
Plus, I thought one of the American principles was freedom of mind? He can think whatever he likes, if he wants to honor our dead, let him do it, I say. Theres nothing wrong with it.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Sorry but it sounds like preventing Soviet delegation from bringing flowers to Holocaust memorial.
The worst thing about it is that the poor guy tried to be polite, and some morons responsible for his visit probably have fun helping anti-American propaganda.
Just imagine news headlines: "Iranian President refused from bringing flowers to Ground Zero"....
Sorry, but I just don't believe that the President of a country that is a huge supporter of terrorism should be given a pass to the WTC site.
Here's how it would play worldwide:
Insert: Picture of Iranian Prez at WTC Site
Caption: (NY) - Iranian President lays wreath and mourns for victims of 9/11 terrorist attack.
Caption: (Europe) - Iranian President lays wreath and mourns for victims of 9/11 attack before his speech to the UN condemning US interventionism.
Caption: (Iran) - Iranian President visits site of 9/11 martyrs victory over US imperialist crusaders.
Lets face it - Ahmadinejad is not a friend of the US, and if he is so mindful of the cost of international terrorism, maybe it would be better if he called for its' end rather than funding groups like Hezbollah.
I can see that someday it will be OK for a future president of Iran to make a trip to the 9/11 site, just as it would be OK today for the Japanese PM to visit Pearl Harbor. Hopefully by then Iran will be a nation that provides something to the world other than IEDs, terrorist funding, and nuclear threats.
EagleDNY
$.02
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Originally posted by Motherland
This is an extension of peace.
Plus, I thought one of the American principles was freedom of mind? He can think whatever he likes, if he wants to honor our dead, let him do it, I say. Theres nothing wrong with it.
Are you disturbed?
American Freedoms are NOT International Freedoms.
You seemed sooo confused that the US Constitution extends to the Entire World.
What grade are you in now?
Mac
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Originally posted by SIK1
Now that is sad. Not that he is going to speak at Columbia University, but that they would want him too.
That's because the city is a cesspool for the derainged.
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Originally posted by AWMac
Are you disturbed?
American Freedoms are NOT International Freedoms.
You seemed sooo confused that the US Constitution extends to the Entire World.
What grade are you in now?
Mac
Its American idealism. Just because it doesnt APPLY to everybody under the the Constitution, doesnt mean we shouldnt give everyone the same respect as our citizens. You may say, "if your not American, go **** yourself", but I dont.
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Originally posted by EagleDNY
Sorry, but I just don't believe that the President of a country that is a huge supporter of terrorism should be given a pass to the WTC site.
Here's how it would play worldwide:
Insert: Picture of Iranian Prez at WTC Site
Caption: (NY) - Iranian President lays wreath and mourns for victims of 9/11 terrorist attack.
Caption: (Europe) - Iranian President lays wreath and mourns for victims of 9/11 attack before his speech to the UN condemning US interventionism.
Caption: (Iran) - Iranian President visits site of 9/11 martyrs victory over US imperialist crusaders.
Lets face it - Ahmadinejad is not a friend of the US, and if he is so mindful of the cost of international terrorism, maybe it would be better if he called for its' end rather than funding groups like Hezbollah.
I can see that someday it will be OK for a future president of Iran to make a trip to the 9/11 site, just as it would be OK today for the Japanese PM to visit Pearl Harbor. Hopefully by then Iran will be a nation that provides something to the world other than IEDs, terrorist funding, and nuclear threats.
EagleDNY
$.02
Ahmadinejad is a Shi'ite. He criticises Sunni (OBL, Al Queada) radicalism.
Before anyone asks, Im Catholic :rolleyes:
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If this POS died on the streets of New York City... Who would frikken care?
His own Country can't stand his sorry arse, the Clerics could care less.
The rest of the Middle East would wish he's STFU! He's a Frikken Rat.
A Radical, Racist Rat that needs to be put to sleep.
His visit here is to stick watermelon in the face of Americans and stand there laffin.
"Can't Touch This" Hell return to IRAN and laff his bellybutton off.
Take him out. Then tell the Clerics in IRAN..
What the Hell you gonna do now?
Maybe Osamma Burake, Hilleray OBama, or Edwards O'Kerry would handle this better?
Mac
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Originally posted by AWMac
If this POS died on the streets of New York City... Who would frikken care?
Although I'd have to agree with the pointlessness of his presidency, and how everyone hates him, I KNOW that if he were shot/killed that there would be a lot more terrorists coming out of Iran.
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Originally posted by Motherland
Although I'd have to agree with the pointlessness of his presidency, and how everyone hates him, I KNOW that if he were shot/killed that there would be a lot more terrorists coming out of Iran.
From what I've read in your posts in this thread, it seems like you don't know much about anything.
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Originally posted by Motherland
Its American idealism. Just because it doesnt APPLY to everybody under the the Constitution, doesnt mean we shouldnt give everyone the same respect as our citizens. You may say, "if your not American, go **** yourself", but I dont.
If a man spits in my face and calls me evil, I DO NOT invite him into my home. And I DO NOT take him to the cemetery to give him the chance to piss on the graves of my family, either. Call me old fashioned.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
From what I've read in your posts in this thread, it seems like you don't know much about anything.
All I've spit out are personal ideaology, and that Ahmadinejad is a Shi'ite and Osama Bin Laden is a Sunni, which is true.
You can't tell me that, if we killed Ahmadinejad, Iranians would just sit back and praise us. Just like if Iranians killed Bush, even though he has a low approval rating, we would all want to go invade or at least punish Iran.
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Originally posted by Motherland
This is an extension of peace.
You're a fool if believe that. I sincerely HOPE that you are not as naive as you appearing to be.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
You're a fool if believe that. I sincerely HOPE that you are not as naive as you appearing to be.
Im trying to play the devil's advocate. The spin that could be put on it by the Middle Eastern community is obvious (was posted earlier). Though it would be interesting to see how it would play out, since he IS on the opposite side of the religion.
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Originally posted by Motherland
Im trying to play the devil's advocate.
You should try harder.
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Originally posted by Motherland
Its American idealism. Just because it doesnt APPLY to everybody under the the Constitution, doesnt mean we shouldnt give everyone the same respect as our citizens. You may say, "if your not American, go **** yourself", but I dont.
I'd be willing to bet that in your book that would include especially the illegals as well wouldn't it.
I'm for giving everyone the same respect as they show our citizens.
Calling for the dist ruction of the USA isn't being respectful of our country or it citizens.
Just as entering this country illegally and milking the system is also not being respectful of this country or its citizens.
In my book "respect" isn't automatic. Respect is earned and not just given outright "because".
Neither has earned respect.
Thus neither is entitled to it
And from me. Neither will ever get it.
Nor will I be in support of this country giving it to them
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
You should try harder.
How so? I think I've done a pretty good job so far.
Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I'd be willing to bet that in your book that would include especially the illegals as well wouldn't it.
Yes, I think they have the right to think as they want, but no, I dont think they should be in the country. (I assume that 'illegals' your reffering to illegal Mexican immigrants?)
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Originally posted by Motherland
How so? I think I've done a pretty good job so far.
Yes, I think they have the right to think as they want, but no, I dont think they should be in the country. (I assume that 'illegals' your reffering to illegal Mexican immigrants?)
Im referring to all illegals. I dont care which country they are from.
the fact that hispanics make up 75% of illegals has nothing to do with it.
Anyone can think as they want.
Thats not what Im sayng.
What Im saying is neither illegals nor Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad deserves to be shown any kind of respect.
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....and this people accuse me of a "cold-war mindset" :(
Ahmadinejad may disagree with current US foreign policy, but there is a certain difference between the regime and the people. IMHO in this story Ahmadinejad definitely looks better then US authorities. He just does what he and many other people think is appropriate. It's a matter of showing his respect to innocent victims.
BTW, did any Western leader visiting Moscow bring flowers to the places where apartment houses blown by Chechens in 1999 were? Look, they simply don't care. They prefer to give "political asylum" to convicted terrorists instead. In our war on terror Iran is a much better ally then the West.
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Ahmadinejad = Ahmattentionpotato
68ROX