Originally posted by eskimo2
When I lived in Alaska I had my own clay thrower. My favorite shotgun was a $5 POS single shot H&R 20 Gauge. I think I shot better with that than with my 12 pump. I could even shoot it with one hand and hit more often than not. I’m sure experts would never use a single, but I wouldn’t totally write them off.
Originally posted by Pyro
The reason single shots aren't suitable is because sporting clays consists of shooting pairs of targets either thrown simultaneously(true pair) or with the second one coming as soon as you fire at the first target(report pair). That's why single shot shotguns can't be used. I bet this guy could do it though given what he does with a pump:
http://www.benelliusa.com/player.tpl?t=Tom%20Knapp%20World%20Record%202&v=WorldRecord2.flv
and an auto:
http://www.benelliusa.com/player.tpl?t=Tom%20Knapp%20World%20Record%203&v=WorldRecord3.flv
Originally posted by Ripsnort
Halo, my 1100 is a 1970's shotgun, and it has a permanent full choke, but I still have good success shooting skeet/trap with it. I've considered putting a poly-choke on it but just haven't gotten around to it.
Originally posted by CharonMOD is modified choke.
2. I understand the concept of choke, but not the practical applications. Any advice on this particular shotgun? I cannot find any reference to the existing choke. I do see this stamping though: MOD. in the same area (but not part of) the stamping for gauge and shell size.
Charon- economical shooting and 16 gauge aren't terms that tend to go together. You're going to pay a premium for 16 ga ammo just because it's not used much.
Originally posted by CharonWow, things must have really changed since I moved out of Illinois.
...... Living in the People's Republic of Cook County I can't find cheap mail order ammo and have it shipped in, of course....
Wow, things must have really changed since I moved out of Illinois.
Originally posted by Charon
Technically, they passed a law last year that clarified ammo sales by mail if you faxed over a copy of your FOID card. In ILL you have to show this card to even touch a firearm or purchase ammo. That was the sticking point on mail order sales.
Now, many vendors will comply with that in the ILL outside of Cook County, but the vast majority still refuse to sell in Cook County because of the potential legal harassment. Also why I didn't get my Curio & Relic license (an 03 FFL license that allows collectors to mail order guns). Most of the big name C&R suppliers like AIM, and the small value added sellers like Empire Arms still refuse to sell and ship a perfectly legal bolt action rifle to a C&R holder in Cook County.
Ive been to GAT before NHawk, it's just right down the road. It might be a good idea to cull this shotgun and some of the extras I have and get a nice used 1100 in 20 ga or 12 ga.
Bells got nuked recently by the airport expansion I believe, or some other rezoning deal. No surprise, they are having a hard time finding a new location in their dealings with the city over the deal.
Charon
Originally posted by CharonWhile you're at GAT, check the reload equipment. If you have a place to do it, that might be the most economical route to go. It sounds like you know what you're doing, but don't do it in your kitchen. I used to do it in a detached garage 50ft away from my house. I had a nice bench set up for shotgun and brass reloading. Somewhere I know I still have the lead pot and some .38/.357 molds, .38 & .30-06 brass and some 12ga wads/hulls. But god only knows where they might be.
...Ive been to GAT before NHawk, it's just right down the road. It might be a good idea to cull this shotgun and some of the extras I have and get a nice used 1100 in 20 ga or 12 ga.
Bells got nuked recently by the airport expansion I believe, or some other rezoning deal. No surprise, they are having a hard time finding a new location in their dealings with the city over the deal.
Originally posted by Dago:aok Thanks. Will advise.
It's common for new shooters to shoot high, have him aim a little under trap and see how that works for him.
Originally posted by Halo
Pyro, I see now why you advocate going with an instructor. I went over to the Bull Run Shooting Center on Sunday where everyone has to take a two-hour introductory course before being allowed to shoot there.
What a great introduction. Small group of seven with an excellent instructor. Included was about a dozen shots at skeet and trap targets. Guys used rental over and under 12-gauges and women 20-gauges that were included in the $25 price.
I had been holding my shotgun just a bit too low and perhaps not tucked as close as it should have been in my shoulder pocket. I busted about 9 of my 12 birds and the instructor was pleased (yes, he was most encouraging and complimentary with all the students, as a good instructor should be).
I was the oldest and maybe the second most successful shooter after another guy. Another guy was good too and one not so good. Two of the women had excellent instincts but the other was a bit too young and gunshy in spite of the instructor's very helpful training.
I'm signed up for a special sporting clays round next Sunday with an instructor and small group. Really stoked about that. Should be a terrific intro to sporting clays.
5-stand sounds great too -- a sort of mini sporting clays in one place. I'll eventually do trap, skeet, and wobble trap too just to try 'em all at least once.
This range restricts barrels to 22 inches (I think, definitely longer than coach and home defense guns) and loads to 2 3/4. I'll use my Remington 1100 Field Classic 12-gauge 26-inch on the sporting clays; the clerk said semiautos are fine and they have no problem with their shell ejections, e.g., do not require ejection shields.
The guy who sold me my 1100 said he was a single-digit handicap golfer who gave up golf for shotgun shooting. He said they both cost about the same and took up similar amounts of time. That's a good comparison, I think.
Dunno whether I'll stick with shotgunning in the long run, but if I can do it without bruising and busting my wallet, it will be tempting.
Originally posted by Ripsnort
My son shot his first two rounds of Trap today. He did really well for a first timer. He hit 10 of 25 the first round, and 8 of 25 the second round.
I hit 20 of 25 first round and 18 of 25 second round. (Hey, it's been 7 years since I touched my shotgun other than a bi-annual cleaning-oiling, what can I say?)
7 more Saturdays of trap before our goose hunt. :aok
Cost FWIW:
Each round costs $3.50. Box of shells=$4.50. Total cost for 2 of us shooting 2 rounds each is $32.00.
Originally posted by lasersailor184
4.50 for a box of shells? You do realize that you don't have to buy the gold plated shotgun shells, right?
Originally posted by Golfer
-That the O-rings around the magazine tube are still in good condition.
-That the metal ring below the O ring is oriented the right way. If you reinstall it upside down it hinders ejection (some say by design for trap shooters who actually didn't want the shell to automatically eject on a trap range) which would cause your problems.
-That the spring that is installed in the stock isn't putting too much pressure on the slide in the action of the gun.
I've seen them all. I'm sure the gun is cleaned regularly and the O rings are in good condition if you care for the gun reguarly. My bet would be flip the piston ring (the metal ring) from its position and give that a try. If nothing else the spring could be making things a little tight.
Originally posted by Ripsnort
That is our local Walmart "Winchester" ammo price, 8 shot! WA state taxes the crap out of the 3 "F's". (If it flies, floats, fires )
The gun range gets $6 a box.:eek:
Charon- you'll want to shoot your shotgun just to get some rounds through it but if you really enjoy clay shooting, renting a gun might be a good option too. There's a range here that has Beretta 391 sporting models for $15 a day(costs $1100+ new). Another range has $10/day rentals but I'm not sure what they have. If you're paying $3-4 extra for a box for 16 gauge, that difference covers your rental for 1 round of SC. Shoot more than 1 round and it will save you money plus you get to shoot a really nice shotgun that's tailored to the task at hand.
Hi Charon
Take a look at Berretta 391 urikas , fantastic all around gun, comes with multiple chokes.
Bell was shut down for numerous reasons ,one being loaning guns to the mob for hits then selling them to law abiding citizens. it has been in the family secrets trial.
we'llhave to hook up one day and hit my club
http://www.northbrooksportsclub.org/
Originally posted by Halo
Rip, as I understand shotgun shells, the shot size has nothing to do with any ejection problems, it's the amount of powder to operate the recoil mechanism. For example, my current model 1100 Classic Field will not eject Winchester AA low noise low recoil No. 8 shot (min dram equivalent, 26 gram), but it does fine with Federal Top Gun Target Load No. 8 shot (3 dram equivalent, 1 1/8-oz shot).
Originally posted by Halo
Thanks for correcting that, lasersailor. I kept thinking I should add weight of shot but somehow didn't. Duh on me.
Had an interesting session today at a gun shop range with a do-it-yourself trap thrower. Compared target loads of 12-gauge 2 3/4 No. 8 Winchester AA low recoil low min. dram equivalent 26 gram with Federal 3 dram equiv 1 1/8 oz shot (yes, drives me nuts when shell manufacturers do not post the same info for point by point comparison).
In my perception, the Winchester low noise low recoil (which people assume to be 7/8 oz) in a Stoeger Coach shotgun (side by side double barrel) is about the same perceived recoil as the Federal 3 dram 1 1/8 oz in a Remington 1100 Classic Field semi auto.
I used Limbsaver pads on both them, and that helped. My Remington 1100 becomes a single shot with the Winchester low noise low recoil because it won't eject spent shells.
Both loads in an H&R 28-inch barrel single-shot breakopen were more uncomfortable, probably because of its lighter weight.
The 1100 has a 26-inch barrel, the coach shotgun a 20-inch barrel. Unfortunately, the nearest sporting clays range bans shotguns with 23 1/2 inch or less barrels. I thought that quite unreasonable until a gun shop guy reminded me the shorter barrels make more noise even if they do shoot as accurately as many longer barrels.
The nearest gun range is in a highly populated area, so I can understand the importance of minimizing gun noise. Which is another reason why can't take home defense shotguns there and blaze away with however many rounds the magazines hold.
That range also limits powder load to 3 drams.
Fortunately another range farther out allows any size barrels.
So at last I'm finally familiar enough with my Remington 1100 to use it confidently Sunday in my first sporting clays round.
Although ... since I have a free gun rental, I might just use a range Browning over and under 20-gauge. Never shot a 20-gauge, so that would kill two birds with one shot (to use a shameless cliche here).
Originally posted by Halo
Incidentally, check out the new Remington 105CTi. Is it the new world's best autoloading shotgun?
hi Charon
it would be my pleasure. weekends can be busy at the club. Can you get off on a wed or thurs afternoon? the club is open 12 to 5 on Wed, and 12 to 10pm on thursdays. Shooting under the lights is fun.
dont worry about being a newb,we'll have ya breaking 20 plus on yer second round.
You could try my 12 and 20ga. berrettas, as well as a 12 ga.browning ultra o/u to get a feel for different shotguns.they all have their pros and cons.
mtndog
P.s. its a small world , i recieve NPN
How often does anyone go out and shot 70 rounds of .30-06 for fun?
Originally posted by Halo
The instructor later suggested my slip-on Limbsaver was not a good idea because it was too wobbly and extended my length of pull too far.
Today I just couldn't manage a decent sight picture. I don't like two-eyed shotgun pointing-shooting even though I did fine with it last week with a range Browning 12-gauge over and under.