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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: rstel01 on September 22, 2007, 01:08:18 PM
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Hi All,
I am very new at the game (5 weeks) but, must say I am somewhat addicted. Maybe this is a stupid question from a noob and I should shut my pie-hole but, are there large differences in the types of players that make up each team?
I started out with the bishops and found some really great players and learned a lot from them. However, the bulk of the time it just seemed more like a free for all without much tactics or cooperative game play. I have been playing the Janes and other MS combat games for years but, found the multi-player here really makes the game great when people were working together. But, like I said that was few and far between.
I did not even realize you could change sides but, as example after trying to get troops in a Goon and being shot down multiple times I was getting turned off. Even the simplest calls for mutual help or request for a basic report on other fighter status over the town from the myriad of other bishop players there resulted in no more than a big “F” off or other wise comments.
This was just one example that to me, showed a lack of mutual cooperation that seemed par for the course most of the time I was in the game.
I was looking through the help section and came across switching countries. Anyway, I switched to the rooks and it seemed like a different world within 5 minutes. Plenty of mutual cooperation, talk on the radio and way more of a team/ esprit de corps structure.
Is this indicative of the make up of the teams, or was I just playing at off hours (6-9pm est) for the bishops?
I don’t mean to offend anyone (and my apologies upfront if I do) or ruffle feathers, but like I said as a noob my impression is night and day between the sides.
Thanks in advance.
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Best thing you can do for yourself is go on tour. Try all the countries. Stick with the one where you feel the most comfortable at the times you normally play.
Some will argue that each country displays certain characteristics "overall" because birds of a feather flock together. But the truth of the matter is, all sides have all kinds, and there are HUGE diifferences in gameplay within the countries depending on which "shift" you play in.
So, again, my advice is to spend a week in each country flying with different groups in each. You may have had the misfortune of encountering some bad apples when you were in Bishland, and might end up finding others that are more to your liking.
Good luck, and welcome to the game. :aok
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Everybody is pretty much the same. The only major differences are the names. Welcome to dweeb hell. :)
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All AH is is furball city...you will find people that run good missions thought (ghi, warlockl...etc)
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In my honest opinion, the rooks are the ones that have the most team work, cooperation, etc, and thats why I fly with them, because I, like you love the teamwork aspect of it all.
I have tried organizing missions and/or trying to get one started for countries, but the rooks are the ones that seem to join up/ do missions the most.
I believe that I got the same amount of check sixes from both the knights and the rooks, so can't really say anything there. maybe its just cause the rooks have a bit more players, and so can afford to get missions going etc.
Anyway, if you're looking for teamwork and cooperation, get Dred to start a mission (rooks). Every time he does, our NOE mission falls apart because there's so many people that if you try to stay low, you can't see where you're going.:aok
donkey
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B-land is the best :D
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It all depends on the time of day. Where I live early in the morning is when a majority of "less-skilled" pilots are on. Later on in the day the hordes start to grow. Around 2:00pm is when I see the differences in teams. The bish start running away from fights, nits start upping La-7's alot more often, and rooks start furballin and forget about winning the war :) . This is just my opinion on teams though.
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At 8PM EST the numbers are big...You might find 50-70 guys in MW...200+ in both LWs
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I just left the Bishops and became a Rook. The Bishes are pretty good at porking airfields but my game isnt porking airfields from 4,000' in bombers. The Bishop missions are for the most part silly and there is very little team play. Ive had bombers shot up while surrounded by friendlies and nobody helped.
So anyway Ive been seeing these Rook missions where they fly bombers and fighters the way they are supposed to be flown. So I joined them. My squad always flys Rook anyways.
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
I just left the Bishops and became a Rook. The Bishes are pretty good at porking airfields but my game isnt porking airfields from 4,000' in bombers. The Bishop missions are for the most part silly and there is very little team play. Ive had bombers shot up while surrounded by friendlies and nobody helped.
So anyway Ive been seeing these Rook missions where they fly bombers and fighters the way they are supposed to be flown. So I joined them. My squad always flys Rook anyways.
I looked for you all night long last night lol, really wanted to escort:cry
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Find one you're happy with for your reasons. Don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.
There's more differences within a single country than between them.
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Originally posted by rstel01
Hi All,
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Is this indicative of the make up of the teams, or was I just playing at off hours (6-9pm est) for the bishops?
Thanks in advance.
In my opinion Knights have fewest players and less country orientated team work. They seem to be squad bias where captures are concerned.
They do have some good sticks considering their %'age. No particular shift patten.
Bishops can muster or outnumber but their skill is weak relying on numbers to accomplish captures. They also have some good sticks but the lowest %'age if all sides were even. Best shift is late evening / early morning.
Rooks have the highest %'age of all round skills but prefer to dogfight. Rooks often muster or outnumbers but adapt easily to ENY. Best shift is morning / afternoon. Late shift is fighters.
Shifts refer to US time.
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these people think that they are experts. I would not give a penny worth, I can shoot em all down. MA is Too much like a circle jerk, I prefer HTH
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Originally posted by spexia
Waaaaa it's to hard to pick in the MA and the mods wont let me rant for hours after anyone shoot me down. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
That's more like it.
Bronk
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Its all explained in Wikipedia:
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Bishops:
The bishop has no restrictions in distance for each move, but is limited to diagonal movement. Bishops cannot jump over other pieces. A bishop captures by occupying the square on which an enemy piece sits.
Rooks:
The rook moves horizontally or vertically, forward or back, through any number of unoccupied squares, as shown in the diagram below. Like other pieces, it captures by occupying the square on which an enemy piece stands. The rook also participates, along with the king, in a special move called castling
Knights:
The knight move is unusual among chess pieces. When it moves, it can move two squares horizontally and one square vertically, or two squares vertically and one square horizontally. The complete move therefore looks like the letter 'L'. Unlike all other standard chess pieces, the knight can 'jump over' all other pawns and pieces ( of either colour) to its destination square. It captures an enemy piece by moving into its square
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Seems to me that knights are the true furballers :D
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Originally posted by E25280
But the truth of the matter is, all sides have all kinds, and there are HUGE diifferences in gameplay within the countries depending on which "shift" you play in.
That's the way I've seen it, and I've started switching countries fairly regularly the last week or so. I'm usually with the Knights, but if one team is really hurting for people when I log on, I switch to that team.
The dynamics of the teams and games change depending on who is up at any given time. I've seen the bishops work real well together one day, with near anarchy the next. Same with rooks and my very own knights.
Sometimes a call for help with result in immediate assistance, other times teammates are off on their own and won't respond. In fairness, it could be that they're in the middle of a bomb run, or doing something else they feel is equally important.
It's all on who's flying.
Same as with your own performance. I'm sure most are like me and find they can go up one hour and have their head handed to them on a platter and come back a couple hours later and really clean house.
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Originally posted by lengro
Its all explained in Wikipedia:
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Bishops:
The bishop has no restrictions in distance for each move, but is limited to diagonal movement. Bishops cannot jump over other pieces. A bishop captures by occupying the square on which an enemy piece sits.
Rooks:
The rook moves horizontally or vertically, forward or back, through any number of unoccupied squares, as shown in the diagram below. Like other pieces, it captures by occupying the square on which an enemy piece stands. The rook also participates, along with the king, in a special move called castling
Knights:
The knight move is unusual among chess pieces. When it moves, it can move two squares horizontally and one square vertically, or two squares vertically and one square horizontally. The complete move therefore looks like the letter 'L'. Unlike all other standard chess pieces, the knight can 'jump over' all other pawns and pieces ( of either colour) to its destination square. It captures an enemy piece by moving into its square
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Seems to me that knights are the true furballers :D
Wiki? Nice try.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Wiki? Nice try.
yes?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_piece
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Originally posted by spexia
these people think that they are experts. I would not give a penny worth, I can shoot em all down. MA is Too much like a circle jerk, I prefer HTH
Oh no, they took away the H2H, and I can't take it in the MAs
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p254/xlilbeex/baby-1.gif)
:aok :cry :rofl
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I have found good people in all three countries. I have been supported and given checks by all three countries.
It is my first full tour and most likely i'll continue to switch between countries.
Ta with Ghosth and Ren have been great too!
Ulysses
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Originally posted by rstel01
Hi All,
I am very new at the game (5 weeks) but, must say I am somewhat addicted. Maybe this is a stupid question from a noob and I should shut my pie-hole but, are there large differences in the types of players that make up each team?
I started out with the bishops and found some really great players and learned a lot from them. However, the bulk of the time it just seemed more like a free for all without much tactics or cooperative game play. I have been playing the Janes and other MS combat games for years but, found the multi-player here really makes the game great when people were working together. But, like I said that was few and far between.
I did not even realize you could change sides but, as example after trying to get troops in a Goon and being shot down multiple times I was getting turned off. Even the simplest calls for mutual help or request for a basic report on other fighter status over the town from the myriad of other bishop players there resulted in no more than a big “F” off or other wise comments.
This was just one example that to me, showed a lack of mutual cooperation that seemed par for the course most of the time I was in the game.
I was looking through the help section and came across switching countries. Anyway, I switched to the rooks and it seemed like a different world within 5 minutes. Plenty of mutual cooperation, talk on the radio and way more of a team/ esprit de corps structure.
Is this indicative of the make up of the teams, or was I just playing at off hours (6-9pm est) for the bishops?
I don’t mean to offend anyone (and my apologies upfront if I do) or ruffle feathers, but like I said as a noob my impression is night and day between the sides.
Thanks in advance.
such is life there are good & bad people good n bad sports( hopefuly you were not trying to goon a base or town before ak ak or buildings were down ) as this new player thing happens/ and would annoy some to the point they wouldint help you never les it isisnt right they cuss you out for not yet knowing the game yet i think i heard the situation wich you spoke of find your home with what ever helps you learn & get better seek the good people & shoot down the rest (SALUTE ) ya;)
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Originally posted by spexia
these people think that they are experts. I would not give a penny worth, I can shoot em all down. MA is Too much like a circle jerk, I prefer HTH
see a shrink they will give you some little pills you take to help you cope;)
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Originally posted by Max
B-land is the best :D
Rooks = Bland!
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Originally posted by spexia
these people think that they are experts. I would not give a penny worth, I can shoot em all down. MA is Too much like a circle jerk, I prefer HTH
LOL check this guy out....an ace ? or a Peen-Ace ?
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Don't even worry about it, this whole thing is just practice for CT.:p
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
I just left the Bishops and became a Rook. The Bishes are pretty good at porking airfields but my game isnt porking airfields from 4,000' in bombers. The Bishop missions are for the most part silly and there is very little team play. Ive had bombers shot up while surrounded by friendlies and nobody helped.
So anyway Ive been seeing these Rook missions where they fly bombers and fighters the way they are supposed to be flown. So I joined them. My squad always flys Rook anyways.
Bish porking feilds?? what hours of the day you play??
I've been bish since i started tried rook the other night since no squadies were on and numbers were way unbalanced. It was a nice breathe of fresh air. coperation between players, and gv and air units.
went back to bish when i switched rooms and back to the same old crap. loosing 5 CV's in an hour and 15 guys chasing one plane.
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For cooperative team play, join a squad.
You'll come across players who fly when you do and who fly like you want to fly. Wing up with them. Join them on their squad channel. Join them for a few squad nights. If they like you and you like them, join up.
It's mostly coincidental that you'll find team play in the MA. Maybe a couple of squads are cooperating on their squad nights. Maybe someone is posting some good missions. Don't expect someone to cover your goon if they're there for the furball. Pre-arrange that you'll be covered. That's usually the job of squaddies.
Team play doesn't have to be all about base capture. 4-6 squaddies working together can beat up most furballs. Heck, 3 guys working together can feed off a furball all night with minimal loss of life. Long range strat buff runs are usually all about goofiness on squad channel.
So, find guys you like to fly with who fly when you do. Join their squad.
HONK!
Gooss
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Originally posted by whiteman
Bish porking feilds?? what hours of the day you play??
I've been bish since i started tried rook the other night since no squadies were on and numbers were way unbalanced. It was a nice breathe of fresh air. coperation between players, and gv and air units.
went back to bish when i switched rooms and back to the same old crap. loosing 5 CV's in an hour and 15 guys chasing one plane.
I must say as a Bish I pretty much stayed to myself. Most of the porking Ive only seen on the dot dars, that, and I have seen numerous porking type references in the messg scroll. The few missions I flew with the Bishes were all pork and almost all the missions I saw posted were all pork. I never saw a real bomber mission put up, and the few I tried nobody was interested in them. I tried a bunch of times to get guys up in AR-234s but nobody would.
I have no interest in taking bombers up from frontline bases, going to 3,000', and dropping on a porked airbase. That absolute lowest I'll take even a medium bomber is 12,000'. I see the big bombers getting slaughtered all the time that low while porking, while Im sitting in a gunners position.
So I became a Rook full time. I took 26s thru a furball at 12,000' yesterday and got all kinds of help from fellow Rooks. I downed 4 bogeys and had a few chased away by Rook fighters. Apparently they are smart enough to know that its the bombers that deliver the tonnage.
Mostly I stayed a Bish cause I was friends with a few guys. Overall Im glad I changed. If you ever need a good bomber stick send me a mssg, my game name is "bombrich". PS, I specialize in taking down radars. If you want radars down send me a message ,and if you see 4 or 5 of the frontline ones going down its probably me.
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join ze rooks >:) We've got Beer and women, join the dark side :t
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:D
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No,No,No, join the Knights, we have fat angry german kids and canadian donkeys that run all over out fields, its hell on earth man, join the meduim-rare side of the playing field :D
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Building on Ltarget. I agree. Take a tour. There are great pilots and great mission planners in all countries. Dredger comes to mind for rooks, and Ghi, Falcon23, and 321bar for bishops(I'm biased since I fly Bish). Not sure about Knights haven't flown with them for a while. But I'm sure they have them. The most important aspect is which country displays good attitude. You don't want to be around quitters and whiners. However, we all whine at times.
In my experience I think Rooks have more pure fighters and Bish have more pure base takers and seem to be a little more stubborn about giving up a base than the rooks. The Knights seem to be a bit more hard nosed like the bish.
That's my humble opinion.
Enjoy the game and try all the planes and as many tactics as you can think of.
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Originally posted by Getback
.... and Bish have more pure base takers and seem to be a little more stubborn about giving up a base than the rooks. .......
It only seems that way because the BOPS fly bish, and well, they are "The Horde" :D