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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Coshy on September 24, 2007, 06:21:01 AM
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I absolutely, positively cannot STAND it when people run away, or worse yet, HO THEN run.
Couple days ago a C-Hog was taking down a town. It was early morning & not many people on. I up a spit and proceed to engage. He goes for the HO, I immel at 1.0 and am rewarded with a nice trailing position. What happens next ... you guessed it, C-Hog goes to warp.
About a hour later the same base starts flashing. So I up again. This time in an LA7, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Again the Chog goes for the HO, again I counter with a simple immel, AGAIN the Chog dives for the deck and bugs out. But this time I got the little bugger and gave him a quick trip to the tower.
This morning I engaged a tempest, we turned for a bit and just before I got in a position to bring guns to bear he heads for the deck and WEPs out of there. I chased for a sector or so and he didnt turn around till he managed to find 2 or 3 of his buddies who decided I had too many wings on my plane and do a bit of redesign.
I was about 12-14k when I saw a mustang 4.0 out, we merge cleanly & proceed to mix it up. Once again as I start to get angles on him he dives to the deck & heads for friendlies. I manage to get 800 out when I see a high P38 at 2 o'clock and diving. I cant catch the runstang so turn for the P-38. After a couple turns with the lightning I hear a couple pings and there is the mustang, all brave and stuff. I turn around with him a bit but the P-38 decided I had too much fuel and put a hole in my fuel tank. So leaking fuel, 50 rounds left and 5 kills I figure I might as well head home. No one pursued so I dont count this as 'running'.
These are the reasons I fly the LA- 7. Call me a dweeb, but at least I aint a rundweeb.
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Originally posted by Coshy
:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry
There, beat ya to it.
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I just let them run, I'm used to it because I mostly fly the Zero and Spit5. If they decide to come back chances say you now have an alt. advantage and running will be all the harder the second time around.
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What bugs me are the guys who run until you turn your back on them, and try to HO you again when you reverse back into them.
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don't chase.
give them your 6 and they'll come back.
then they will run again when they loose position.
rinse/repeat.
at some point, typically the 3rd or 4th time they reverse back into you, they'll do something "dumb" and you kill them. (I think they get a false sense of bravery after succesfully running 3-4 times so they try an actual "move")
waste of time chasin' them for a sector.
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Just turn away from the runners and they become brave and turn for you.. go nice and straight so they think you are afk or dont see them and then break and engange at the last moment.
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I don't mind if they run from me if they're in a plane that simply can't turn with the fighter I'm in. What I hate is when they run but are in a fighter that can easily stay in a turn fight with my plane. Then I do as Lute said, I let them onto my six. If they're in a La-7 and they run you know they aren't that good at dogfights, so you can easily get them off your six whenever you want.
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why don't you fly a P-38, then everyone will want to turn fight you. :D
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The other night I up my 38... the first 4 enemy I meet try to HO me. Three were spits and one was a pony. Funny thing each time I was alone and they had multiple friends there. Spits and LAs seem to HO the most in my book but they by no means are the only culprits.
In WWII this was a valid tactic but frowned upon because you chanced being killed too. So by valid I'm sure they mean as a last choice when outnumbered or damaged.
In two weeks when the next AH comes out I think you'll see a lot less of the HOs. A death then would require the person to start all over in training.
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I think the best is when they try to run from a lala. The can see that you are closing but do they try anything? Nop, lol. They keep going hoping that ack may come out to save them. Eventually at D400 at hose them down. They wont turn even after the first pings, lol. Way too many Spitfires doing that lately
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I just about ran out of fuel in my pony "chasing"fights. I had 3 or 4 guys come in with alt ( I don't make it over 12k often), after a pass or two they have lost their advantage and I'm the one on top, and their next move was RUNNNNNNNNNNN!! They would only come back when I was busy with another, or they had regained there alt advantage.
I finally followed a spit 8 to the deck into a furball out numbered 7 to 1 just to get to shoot some ammo !!! I was on fumes anyway, I figured it was the only fight "they" could settle for.
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On the third ho attempt by the ho-runner I don't try and avoid and fly right at him with the trigger down attempting to ram.
It sure if fun watching the buffer if he go's down at times.
shamus
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you ran from my ki84 in a c-hog this morning. why whine about running?
EDIT: well, you tried to run. a few long distance 20mms made you leave your tail behind
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Fly a C hurri, and give them your six. You're too slow to chase anything, so you won't be tempted. They know you can't run away, and they'll eventually get brave enough when help arrives. When said help does arrive, shoot them all in the face.
You win.
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The ones I hate the most are the ones that HO and run, and then when you chase them down to teach them a lesson they kill you. How embarrassing.
MtnMan
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Originally posted by bongaroo
you ran from my ki84 in a c-hog this morning. why whine about running?
EDIT: well, you tried to run. a few long distance 20mms made you leave your tail behind
If I remember correctly I came off a carrier to take out ords. Made 2 passes through ack, took out the ords and was heading back with a PW, 0 ammo and a horde of cons behind me.
What was I supposed to do, open the canopy and throw the flight manual at you?
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Originally posted by mtnman
The ones I hate the most are the ones that HO and run, and then when you chase them down to teach them a lesson they kill you. How embarrassing.
MtnMan
I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one this happens to :aok
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Originally posted by Coshy
If I remember correctly I came off a carrier to take out ords. Made 2 passes through ack, took out the ords and was heading back with a PW, 0 ammo and a horde of cons behind me.
What was I supposed to do, open the canopy and throw the flight manual at you?
Apparently yes
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What was I supposed to do, open the canopy and throw the flight manual at you?
:rofl :rofl, thats gonna be in my sig
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Hmm the flight manual is rarely use (I mean VERY RARELY) and does have sharp edges.....
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I enjoy pretending to be AFK buff till someone gets in that 600 range. Planes look funny without wings!:aok
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accually to tell u the truth, i am 1 of those ppl that idc how many ppl r on me, or how many ppl r there, i will fly in the middle of a group of 15 fighters and just strt lightin shiat up lol, like somone will say check yur 6 when im on somone, and lighten them up, im not gonna pull away, im gonna stay on that fools bootay and shoot him down:p
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I don't really care what people do tactically, other than those who bail at the first sight of enemy AC. Usual suspects for this are bombers and attack sorties like ord/ troop porkers. Should get some kind of penalty for bailing like that.
I find it funny when flying my bombers and I got some con trailing me thinking they gonna get vulch kills when I land----lower that throttle so the con gets closer......then open up with guns and send to the tower. Or play AFK. Other times, Ill type on 200 that I am waving at the con by designating its type and my AC and where. Sometimes the cons reacts due to typing and I can see it LOL.
To the uneducated flyers, bombers can fly on F3 mode, which means good ol god mode view. I am rarely ever caugh unaware in my bombers--on final bomb run is another matter, when I don't care cause just wanna drop that ord on target. I sure do die, but I usually see it coming.
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Also we can hear the enemy guns when in the bomb sight. Having already figured his attack angle we can jump into a tailgun right away and spray. The less experiemced sticks will want to get all 3 bombers at once, thus getting none. There have been a few times Ive fried the fighter after hearing it, turned around, and bombed the target on the 2nd pass.
Then again, maybe were just sitting in that rear tailgun making you think were in bomb sight mode, just waiting for you to attack us over the target. You never really know do you?
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Originally posted by redman555
accually to tell u the truth, i am 1 of those ppl that idc how many ppl r on me, or how many ppl r there, i will fly in the middle of a group of 15 fighters and just strt lightin shiat up lol, like somone will say check yur 6 when im on somone, and lighten them up, im not gonna pull away, im gonna stay on that fools bootay and shoot him down:p
I need a translator for this. Does anyone speak dummy?
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Originally posted by mtnman
The ones I hate the most are the ones that HO and run, and then when you chase them down to teach them a lesson they kill you. How embarrassing.
MtnMan
Sorry about that Mtnman.
:D
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Eh, if you get the advantage but can't close the deal, I'll hit the gas and try to get enough distance to come back and re-engage. Maybe I should just pull up and let you kill me? No matter how great you think your merge and ACM is, if you can't get hits and leave the door open, why should opponent just lay down for you?
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Originally posted by redman555
accually to tell u the truth, i am 1 of those ppl that idc how many ppl r on me, or how many ppl r there, i will fly in the middle of a group of 15 fighters and just strt lightin shiat up lol, like somone will say check yur 6 when im on somone, and lighten them up, im not gonna pull away, im gonna stay on that fools bootay and shoot him down:p
translation: "I cant be sure because I always get the numbers wrong and exaggerate the figures but mostly I just spray and pray and I fixate on anything that even looks like its not dangerous and I wiggle my tail and porpoise up and down and spray like mad and pray even madder and I never give up until I ram them or someone puts me out of my misery and even then I keep shooting."
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Originally posted by Chalenge
translation: "I cant be sure because I always get the numbers wrong and exaggerate the figures but mostly I just spray and pray and I fixate on anything that even looks like its not dangerous and I wiggle my tail and porpoise up and down and spray like mad and pray even madder and I never give up until I ram them or someone puts me out of my misery and even then I keep shooting."
Ahh cool, thanks.
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I hate guys who clamp their fingers down on the trigger as they're falling. It's especially aggravating when they get lucky and actually hit you.
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i hate people who HO me cuz they always have CANs and always get me, so i HO when they HO me first, i'll make the pass, turn if i can and see where they are, if they come by and HO me again, I keep going.. Is that so wrong. I normaly fly the F4U, and everyone knows they are not the best turn fighters, granted, I have out turned some spits before, but i'm still learning and not all that good with it, so yes, I dive down and run hoping to get away and get more alt then return for the fight... so I sure hope that isnt so wrong.
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I'll usually accept the HO by putting a couple wing widths to the side and maybe a bit lower than the opponent. I get a great laugh out of the guys who go screaming past guns blazing when they have no chance of hitting me. I go a little lower on this kind of merge because every once in a while you get someone who's astute enough to throw in some rudder and get you with a sideslip if you are co-alt. I always think that's someone who's a better pilot than to be HO'ing anyway. Technically, that's not an HO though on their part but good flying.
On the subject of HO's though, If I've got three con's chasing me at less than d1000 and you decide to drop in from the front I'll go for the direct HO with a quick evasive at the last second because I've caused some killshots to happen that way, it's always funny as heck to see that happen. Thanks for clearing my six a bit for me!
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Originally posted by Saxman
I hate guys who clamp their fingers down on the trigger as they're falling. It's especially aggravating when they get lucky and actually hit you.
Well what else are they gonna do with all that ammo? They can't take it with them in the next ride?
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The best is when the fight starts off as a 1v1. 1st guy comes in guns blazing, gets reversed, and you chase him for 1/2 a sector.
You turn tail, so he'll come back to fight and the same thing happens, but now you see plane number 2 dropping in. What does he do.. the same as the first guy. So now your chasing the 2nd guy, and the 1st guy is brave again. SO you reverse them both and now your chasing 2 guys, only to have number 3 drop in and try the same HO and run move.
After all said and done, you finally get into a crazy 3v1 on the deck getting pings in, and then it happens.. one of the 3 is nose in on you, and you still try to avoid the HO , but you get your engine shot out.
Sometimes it takes 3 to HO, not 2. :lol
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Originally posted by odin3
I normaly fly the F4U, and everyone knows they are not the best turn fighters, granted, ... but i'm still learning ...
Learning #1. F4U is one of the best turners in the game...
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Originally posted by odin3
i hate people who HO me cuz they always have CANs and always get me, so i HO when they HO me first, i'll make the pass, turn if i can and see where they are, if they come by and HO me again, I keep going.. Is that so wrong. I normaly fly the F4U, and everyone knows they are not the best turn fighters, granted, I have out turned some spits before, but i'm still learning and not all that good with it, so yes, I dive down and run hoping to get away and get more alt then return for the fight... so I sure hope that isnt so wrong.
Not wrong at all, but what are you learning this way?
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Originally posted by Speed55
Sometimes it takes 3 to HO, not 2. :lol
It only takes 1 to HO. Two to merge, one to HO
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What I hate is when there are 30 of us capping the field and I’m shooting the stupid dweebs as they spawn and take off and one of them actually gets off, turns 180 at stall speed and noses up to HO me! That’s so unfair! I mean, if I start with every advantage like numbers, alt and speed and they have virtually nothing they shouldn’t be able to turn the tables on me by doing something so low and lame as to HO. Stupid cowards!
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Originally posted by dedalos
Not wrong at all, but what are you learning this way?
What do you mean??
And solor.. teach me!!
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Originally posted by eskimo2
What I hate is when there are 30 of us capping the field and I’m shooting the stupid dweebs as they spawn and take off and one of them actually gets off, turns 180 at stall speed and noses up to HO me! That’s so unfair! I mean, if I start with every advantage like numbers, alt and speed and they have virtually nothing they shouldn’t be able to turn the tables on me by doing something so low and lame as to HO. Stupid cowards!
:lol
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Originally posted by odin3
What do you mean??
And solor.. teach me!!
You said that you are still learning but all you describe is why and how you run. So, what do you learn by running?
'Solor' does not need to teach you anything. Maybe if you tried to turn with one you would know. Its simple. Bank the plane to left or right and pull hard on the stick. Thats how you turn :D