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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: pengu146 on September 24, 2007, 06:17:33 PM
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the c47 right now is defence less and in real life had a 50 cal in the side. it also could carry 28 people compared to our 10 here's my proof
http://www.airpages.ru/cgi-bin/epg.pl?nav=uk60&page=c47 im sick of being blasted by a jeep that i could have blown up with my 50.
i would enjoy a 50 on my plane so i could stand a chance.
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The reason we have 10 troops in the goon rather than 28 is because 10 is all that's needed to capture a base. Wouldn't be fair to the defending team if they had to kill 19 troops to make it a no capture.
As for a .50 cal in the goon, I don't really think we need it. If the attackers do their job right then all the goon needs to do is fly in and drop troops.
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If a C-47 carried an .50 cal MG, it was a field mod. They were unarmed as delivered. HTC doesn't model field mods...
Oh, and if you consider that website as "proof", you need to raise your concept of proof a few dozen notches.
My regards,
Widewing
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lol...whats a 50 cal gunna do anyway?
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it would be nice to see the German troop transport.Im not 100% on this but i i know it had 3 engens.One on each wing and one in the middle.Also i think it has a 20mm tail gun(or was it a top).Im willing to bet that WideWing will respond.He knows all :aok :aok.It would be nice maybe have a small perk value...??
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Yeah the 52...
Had 3 engines and some gun in the rear...would be nice to have...
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Originally posted by SpikesX
Yeah the 52...
Had 3 engines and some gun in the rear...would be nice to have...
Yes, but the Ju 52 was a lot slower than the C-47, meaning that it would take longer to get to a base. That means hanger queen status.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
Yes, but the Ju 52 was a lot slower than the C-47, meaning that it would take longer to get to a base. That means hanger queen status.
My regards,
Widewing
And with somewhat 40mph less than a C-47, that 13mm dorsal gun and two 7.92 mm guns in the sides (Ju-52/3m g7e version) won't be a huge increase in survivability at all...
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JU-52.... BAH
Give us the Messerschmitt Me-323 "Gigant" Transport
Armament:
Five MG 15 mounted in nose mounts
Six Mg 34 infantry MG's in beam windows
Waffentraeger (Weapons Carrier)
11 20mm MG 151 cannon
and
4 13mm MG 131 Machine Guns
This version also carried several tonnes of armor and bulletproof glass. Eventually it was decided that escort fighters would be more effective and this version did not see wide-spread production.
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Originally posted by Widewing
Yes, but the Ju 52 was a lot slower than the C-47, meaning that it would take longer to get to a base. That means hanger queen status.
My regards,
Widewing
Does it still outturn all planes?
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I couldn't find the 50 cal mod on that source....
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the giganto was suposed to be a glider that was going to be able to cary a panzer III and infantry during the invasion of britain they had to use 4 ratos and 2 twin engen fighters aka it was to darn heavy the germans put the twin engen fightes together because some would crash into each other i am not shure if they were fighters or medium bombers the six engins were added but it still needed ratos to get off the ground they were easy targets for alied fighters most were used on the eastern front
the c47 has been known to survive kamacasie hits from zeeks after they pumped it full of lead i learned of it from the book american planes of world war II:aok
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The Russian and Japanese produced versions of the DC-3 were, as I recall, delivered with armament. The C-47 was not.
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Originally posted by SpikesX
lol...whats a 50 cal gunna do anyway?
I bet you could really piss someone off if you get there oil, or blow a tire out on a jeep, but thats about all you will do unless someone is stupied enough to park beside you. :lol
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it would be cool if we could have the WACO Glider
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On a tangent, I've just been reading Osprey's "Beaufighter Aces of WW2". There's a description of a (very short) fight between a Beaufighter and some unarmed Ju 52s over North Africa; the solders in the Ju 52s are described as firing back at the Beaufighters with small arms. It didn't do them any good at all, but it's one of those little things I didn't expect. Perhaps the paratroopers in Aces High could be a bit more proactive.
Doesn't sound like the best way to die, trapped in a plummeting Ju52, surrounded by bullet-ridden corpses, but then again there was a war on.
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I totally agree w/ vanscrew on this one, we have ONE transport plane. We need a new one.
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Give the G.D. C-47 at least 1 gun so it can stand a chance. The only time I support and would advise a blatant bail in front of the enemy is in C47--screw giving them points for shooting defenseless plane.
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I enjoy pissing off neighboring enemy aircraft, give us the .50 cal.:D
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Originally posted by pengu146
the c47 right now is defence less and in real life had a 50 cal in the side. it also could carry 28 people compared to our 10 here's my proof
http://www.airpages.ru/cgi-bin/epg.pl?nav=uk60&page=c47 im sick of being blasted by a jeep that i could have blown up with my 50.
i would enjoy a 50 on my plane so i could stand a chance.
Yes the C-47 is defenceless
and Yes in WWII it was defenceless
it was a cargo plane meaning they cut down on weapons for weight
few and far between would they equip it with a .50 cal, only when STRONG enemy resistance was to be encountered
if you want a transport plane that had some arament, look at the FW 200 Condor, i know it's been requested before and I know it had it's issues (i.e. catching fire on landing [brakes overheating]) but it'd be better as it would serve multiple purposes
supplies
recon
bombing
AND
GOONING!!
all with the guns of a bomber
$.02
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I once got a maneuver kill on a Tempest in my unarmed C47. Just took the "fight" into a valley and the wall did the rest. :D
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it would serve multiple purposes
supplies
recon
bombing
AND
GOONING!!
all with the guns of a bomber
Amen to that
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people, most places you take a goon in you get swarmed by everything that has a gun
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Anyone remember dueling C-47s in AW with gunners in the doors :) ?
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I've wondered this field mod thing. For example I haven't heard about any P-51D's that were delivered with 4 50cals only.
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Originally posted by pengu146
people, most places you take a goon in you get swarmed by everything that has a gun
the c47 has a mighty weapon at it's disposal....
the pilot.
a "good" goon pilot is quite sneaky and crafty. they approach towns from unexpected directions, hugging the ground and hiding as best they can from sight in valleys.
a "dumb" goon pilot fly's in a straight line from the base they took off from to the target town. some even grab alt (snicker).
when I see a massive mission otw to a base, I jump in a fast plane, sneak out, and fly right to their goon. how do I know where it is? because 99% of the goon drivers fly right behind the mission like idiots and are alone and sitting ducks.
to recap.
if you want to make it to the town, be sneaky. approach from an unexpected direction.
always fly as low to the ground as possible, and if you can, use the terrain as cover.
do not ever fly right behind the conga line of friendlies flying from your base to the target base.
(yes murder, I had many a right hand turning duel in c47's in AW)
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Originally posted by pengu146
the c47 right now is defence less and in real life had a 50 cal in the side.
Wrong ... just about a month ago I was speaking with my ex-uncle-in-law who piloted C47s in WWII in Burma I believe. He flew the "Hump" ... I forget where that was.
I specifically asked him if they had an .50 cals on board to shoot out the "jump" door ... he looked at me like I had one-eye ... his reply ... F**& NO !!! I WISH !!!
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Originally posted by SlapShot
I specifically asked him if they had an .50 cals on board to shoot out the "jump" door ... he looked at me like I had one-eye ... his reply ... F**& NO !!! I WISH !!!
LOL
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The italian one tri-moter someone refresh my memory. had as amy guns as the B-17
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Originally posted by Latrobe
The reason we have 10 troops in the goon rather than 28 is because 10 is all that's needed to capture a base. Wouldn't be fair to the defending team if they had to kill 19 troops to make it a no capture.
As for a .50 cal in the goon, I don't really think we need it. If the attackers do their job right then all the goon needs to do is fly in and drop troops.
It wouldn't be fair, you have got to be kidding me, maybe attackers should be limited on ammo and bombs as well.
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Originally posted by pengu146
it would be cool if we could have the WACO Glider
A glider might be interesting. Put a small tank in it and use it to try to knock down a town or part of a town. Then drop troops from the C47 that towed the glider to capture the base. A mission with 3 or 4 of these could level a town and drop 30-40 troops.
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Ju-52 would be a great option for trading some speed to some weaponry. In addition it would have its uses in special events.
Then there could be a perked version of C-47... the Russian Li-2 with a gun turret :)
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The glider idea sounds great to me.
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It's from the wrong era, but it'd be the ultimate vulching machine!
http://www.dc3history.org/ac47_puff.htm
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Originally posted by pengu146
it also could carry 28 people compared to our 10
In reply to this, remember that they will up the number of troops needed to capture a base to match the highest number of troops available on one ship. (Paraphrasing from the last Convention Q&A) Do you want to wait for 10 or 28 troops to land/run?
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Waco glider with Jeep options would be good.
In theory a single c-47 should be able to tow 2 of them to the drop zone, release, and get out of the area. As the 2 gliders coast in for a rough landing.
I think it would take some interesting coad to make it happen but the idea has potential.
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Originally posted by SD67
It's from the wrong era, but it'd be the ultimate vulching machine!
http://www.dc3history.org/ac47_puff.htm
you mean this? :t
(http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/ac-130-spectre-44.jpg)
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not quite,I mean his grandaddy.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a217/sarahjeanb/gs-6ac47wguns.jpg)