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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: KONG1 on September 26, 2007, 08:33:08 AM
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Here is a website where cops shame other cops for giving cops tickets. Twilight Zone material. Everybody knows that some cops feel they are above the law and there is one set of rules for them, another for the rest of us, but this is blatant.
http://www.copswritingcops.com/home.html
OBTW, they have a forum.
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It's good to see that some LEO's don't think their brethren are above the law. I just have to wonder how many lies are told in their writeup of the incidents.
to the honest ones!
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Maybe after visiting this site and reading how much it really does affect other officers, you may think twice about giving that ticket.
It's ONLY A TICKET! We're positive that there is someone more deserving of your attention than your own brother or sister.
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Just unbelievable.
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I've read quite a few of the stories on that site now and they all read the same:
Some copper tries to talk his way out of a ticket after doing something stupid.
Copper giving the ticket has none of it.
Copper who got ticket desides to have a whinge about it in as supercilious a way as possible.
I bet most of the crowd on that website think of themselves as class acts.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-8/48257/Swoop2.gif)
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I read their forum rules and found these two kinda funny:
10. Be civilized. No gratuitous personal attacks, insults, or flaming.
11. No trolling. No posts with the intent to incite, create negative atmosphere, bring about bad feelings, or insult.
Seems like the whole point of the site is to flame, incite, harass, or bring about bad feelings.
Professional courtesy, what a bunch of pompous arses. :mad:
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a wonderful example of irony. but other than that ehh...
everyone thinks they deserve a break why should cops be any different?
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Where are all the forum cops at to justify this? Usually they're quick to throw in the "there's two sides to every story" and "cops have it tough and deserve to get a break" speech...
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I'd like to hear Cav58d's opinion. We don't always see eye to eye on police matters, but I respect that he feels strongly about these things and look forward to his perspective.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
I'd like to hear Cav58d's opinion. We don't always see eye to eye on police matters, but I respect that he feels strongly about these things and look forward to his perspective.
You need some kneepads with that statement?
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Pardon? It appears you neglected to read what I wrote.
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Although you and Cav often don't agree, you're nevertheless very eager to hear Cav's opinion on this matter, and can't wait for him to weigh in.
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Originally posted by Neubob
You need some kneepads with that statement?
:rofl :aok
The Windex bill is killing me.
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Wow, that's amazing... cops blatently breaking the LAW and getting cited for it and whining on a website about it. Better yet, actually including other officers names and even badge numbers. If the creator of this site is still serving he or she should be shown the door with pink slip in hand...
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Where I come from if you gave another copper a ticket you'd be treated like you had the Bubonic plague. But..I work the big city ghetto.
Ive never hurt another copper , or their family, and Ive been one for more years then many of you have on earth.
Long enough to be able to retire any time I want. And long enough to not care what anyone thinks about it.
Boy, these Internet "cop threads" are just precious.:lol
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Neubob, I'll spell it out for you, as subtlety seems to escape you. I do so hope that Cav58d won't be scared off by this:
1. I think Cav58d is a raving loony.
2. I am entertained by loonies, especially when, in their raving, they happen to be on the opposite side of an issue as me. It's less wonderful when I think they're hurting my cause through association, but that's a risk in any dealing with loonies.
3. Because of 1 and 2, I look forward to seeing him in this thread. While there's a chance that he'll say 'That's just not cool' to the website, there's a, in my opinion, much greater chance that if he appears, he'll launch into a spiel about how the website describes a common courtesy, that officers are entitled to this dispensation, and suggest that the rest of us might consider might consider certain anatomically difficult maneuvers with ourselves for their lack of respect for both the badge and the hard work that gives them this special treatment.
If we're lucky, perhaps 9/11 will be mentioned.
Hope this clears things up for ye.
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
Ive never hurt another copper , or their family, and Ive been one for more years then many of you have on earth.
Long enough to be able to retire any time I want. And long enough to not care what anyone thinks about it.
Boy, these Internet "cop threads" are just precious.:lol
If you are a rich 46 year old cop you have either inherited money or you've been "on the take" for some time.
Which is it?
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
Where I come from if you gave another copper a ticket you'd be treated like you had the Bubonic plague. But..I work the big city ghetto.
Ive never hurt another copper , or their family, and Ive been one for more years then many of you have on earth.
Long enough to be able to retire any time I want. And long enough to not care what anyone thinks about it.
Boy, these Internet "cop threads" are just precious.:lol
so surely you've been a cop long enough to have seen plenty of bad judgement calls made by other cops, or perhaps you yourself have made one or two regrettable decisions through the course of your career.
and certainly you could understand that the only defense we non-cops have against these injustices is our voices.
so the point of your reply was....?
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Pretty pitiful that folks that have sworn to uphold the law get so bent out of shape for being written a ticket for breaking the law.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Neubob, I'll spell it out for you, as subtlety seems to escape you. I do so hope that Cav58d won't be scared off by this:
1. I think Cav58d is a raving loony.
2. I am entertained by loonies, especially when, in their raving, they happen to be on the opposite side of an issue as me. It's less wonderful when I think they're hurting my cause through association, but that's a risk in any dealing with loonies.
3. Because of 1 and 2, I look forward to seeing him in this thread. While there's a chance that he'll say 'That's just not cool' to the website, there's a, in my opinion, much greater chance that if he appears, he'll launch into a spiel about how the website describes a common courtesy, that officers are entitled to this dispensation, and suggest that the rest of us might consider might consider certain anatomically difficult maneuvers with ourselves for their lack of respect for both the badge and the hard work that gives them this special treatment.
If we're lucky, perhaps 9/11 will be mentioned.
Hope this clears things up for ye.
Relax, Chairboy, I was just messing with you. I had no intention of reading into your statement any more than what was on the surface, and could not care less what sort of tension, be it political, ideological, philosophical or sexual, exists between the two of you.
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It's interesting to see what you find on the internet. Of course EVERY site on the internet is honest and truthful about what they are and are doing. I found it even more interesting that the "contact us" portion of the web site has no way to contact the folks putting it out. The place listed for e-mail is blank even though they "Claim" to have 3 cops and a professor as the main folks running the site.
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Originally posted by Neubob
Relax, Chairboy, I was just messing with you. I had no intention of reading into your statement any more than what was on the surface, and could not care less what sort of tension, be it political, ideological, philosophical or sexual, exists between the two of you.
Heh, works for me. I guess the order of the day is just hot Loon on Loon action, because I know that plenty of folks here have the same thoughts about my stability that I do about Cav. :D
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Originally posted by Maverick
It's interesting to see what you find on the internet. Of course EVERY site on the internet is honest and truthful about what they are and are doing. I found it even more interesting that the "contact us" portion of the web site has no way to contact the folks putting it out. The place listed for e-mail is blank even though they "Claim" to have 3 cops and a professor as the main folks running the site.
So there is no truth to the practice of 'profession courtesy' between police officers? Is it taboo, or is it common practice? Or is it something in between? And how do you deal with it?
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That web site is an abomination...... Anyone who thinks they are above the law has something wrong with them. I'm not a cop but I've risked my life in a past occupation, does that mean I shouldn't get speeding tickets? What about all those guys in Iraq, Afghanistan and other conflict zones? They should get a break also no?
Our city mayor refused to pay a speeding ticket once because he was the "mayor", driving a city vehicle during business hours. Now every city worker in the city is refusing to pay their tickets..... Idiot, never the less, he didn't get re-elected. Did this within site of an election.......
Laws are in place for a reason, not so cops can break them.
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We deal with it a lot like some of the public. I got a ticket, I deserved it, and I wrote other Officers. I didn't write all of the Officers I stopped and at the same time I didn't write all the civilians I stopped either.
Frankly the ones most likely to get away from a traffic ticket were the Fire Fighters and their Para-Medics. Those were the guys that busted their butts to try and keep us alive.
No matter what I say those of you that want to believe the worst will continue to do so. There isn't anything I could write to change their minds.
That's one of the reasons most of us who did the job tend to not post that much in the threads like this. We put up with the bashing on the job because we had to. This is just another example of what we had to put up with from the "general public". Some of the public were neutral, some were pretty decent and others were simply being an arse, especially when they were in trouble.
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Here you go mav...
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I agree with Maverick. This is the first "cop thread" Ive been in, on the net, in many years.
We depend on each other for our lives and you think we'd write each other traffic tickets??:lol Man, if you think so, then get a life.
And I have news for you. If you were in uniform too 99% of you wouldnt either.
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
I agree with Maverick. This is the first "cop thread" Ive been in, on the net, in many years.
We depend on each other for our lives and you think we'd write each other traffic tickets??:lol Man, if you think so, then get a life.
And I have news for you. If you were in uniform too 99% of you wouldnt either.
Did you even read his response?
Originally posted by Maverick
We deal with it a lot like some of the public. I got a ticket, I deserved it, and I wrote other Officers. I didn't write all of the Officers I stopped and at the same time I didn't write all the civilians I stopped either.
Frankly the ones most likely to get away from a traffic ticket were the Fire Fighters and their Para-Medics. Those were the guys that busted their butts to try and keep us alive.
Where does it say he doesn't give other cops tickets?
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Neubob,
I also didn't write my mother a ticket nor did I write one to my First Sgt's wife (he was in the truck too). He was the Top Sgt. in my Company when I was the C.O., still a great guy even if he didn't like Officers. On the other hand I did write Gary Coleman and a City Councilman as well.
There is something called discretion that every Officer has regarding things like tickets. You do not have to write a ticket to every person you stop, nor do you have to let every person go.
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Rich46yo,
I can see giving a cop, or anyone, a break when it’s just mild speeding with the traffic kind of a thing. But do you always give a cop a break no matter what? What if you pulled a guy over who was weaving all over the road, reeked of alcohol and who could hardly stand up – but was a cop? Would you give that guy a break just because he was a cop? Tell me that you see that there is a certain point where laws apply to cops as well as civilians?
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Maverick, the site seems to criticize those who, when they use their discretion, end up giving the officer a ticket. While it's clear that an officer is under no obligation to ticket every person he pulls over, a carte blanch assumption that he never ticket another officer seems to be what they're suggesting.
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Maverick,
I wasn't criticizing you. I was using your words as an example of a cop using discretion in doing his job, as opposed to blanket leniency--as was suggested by the other guy.
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Chairboy,
The site is something I have a hard time believing it's real. Given the lack of proof needed to make a site it's entirely possible it's the work of someone just trying to make a point and it's easier to do that making it up and have the posts look like they are real. There is a definite lack of professionalism in what little I saw posted there.
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Maverick,
You have the sense that I expect police officers to have.
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Originally posted by Neubob
Maverick,
I wasn't criticizing you. I was using your words as an example of a cop using discretion in doing his job, as opposed to blanket leniency--as was suggested by the other guy.
I didn't take it as criticism but I tend to look at something like that site with more than a grain of salt. I just threw it out there as a bit of humor on the subject, even if it is true.
Like I said I didn't write every one I stopped and I didn't let them all go either. Just because someone was a cop didn't make them infalible nor does it make them "on the take" like Curval quiped. I don't think he understands how insulting that kind of comment is either.
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out of state coppers tagging each other in radar traps is hardy far from reality.
as for local cops tagging each other gimme a break... membership has its privileges and it doesn't make for good chit-chat in the locker rooms.
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Originally posted by Torque
out of state coppers tagging each other in radar traps is hardy far from reality.
as for local cops tagging each other gimme a break... membership has its privileges and it doesn't make for good chit-chat in the locker rooms.
While you might have extensive experiance in locker rooms, I'd say you lack relevent experiance other wise to make a sweeping statement.
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really mav... so just how many local coppers did you write up?
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More than you have. How long were you in Law Enforcement again?
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Rich46yo,
I can see giving a cop, or anyone, a break when it’s just mild speeding with the traffic kind of a thing. But do you always give a cop a break no matter what? What if you pulled a guy over who was weaving all over the road, reeked of alcohol and who could hardly stand up – but was a cop? Would you give that guy a break just because he was a cop? Tell me that you see that there is a certain point where laws apply to cops as well as civilians?
Look I can only speak from my own experience. Ive been in this for almost 25 years, add 4 as an MP, and I probably went the first 15 years without ever writing a DUI. And thats working midnights. In the dreadful housing projects I ratted around in DUIs we rent a very high priority. It was a different time back then anyways and there wasnt much pressure to write them. The Bosses were thrilled if you just showed up to work.
Now I understand theres a lot of social pressure on driving drunk. And that's probably a good thing, having picked up enough pieces of bodies on roads. I quit years ago thank God.
The short answer to your question is no. I wouldnt write him. I'd take his keys away and would not let him back in the car. I might even talk with his Boss and try and get him help, "Ive done that a few times". I'd give him a ride home too. On the plus side unless you ran into someone ,or were just blind drunk, the odds of me writing you are about 0 too.
But I come from a different time with different codes. You should have seen these olds guys when I first came on.
The worse thing they can do to me is force me to retire, and then I'll just play AH all day long. I haven't worked Mids for awhiles thankfully. I did get tired of all the drunks.
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
We depend on each other for our lives and you think we'd write each other traffic tickets??:lol Man, if you think so, then get a life. And I have news for you. If you were in uniform too 99% of you wouldnt either.
Only one way to deal with these scoff-laws:
Citizen Arrest! Citizen Arrest!
But seriously folks. Rick46's post is most telling. A law enforcement officer who has no sense of objective morality, thinks there's something wrong with anyone expecting it, and assumes everyone else to be just as immoral.
Thing is, this type of "courtesy" (read criminal enablement) extends beyond traffic violations.
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They got HO'd
:rofl
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
Look I can only speak from my own experience. Ive been in this for almost 25 years, add 4 as an MP, and I probably went the first 15 years without ever writing a DUI. And thats working midnights. In the dreadful housing projects I ratted around in DUIs we rent a very high priority. It was a different time back then anyways and there wasnt much pressure to write them. The Bosses were thrilled if you just showed up to work.
Now I understand theres a lot of social pressure on driving drunk. And that's probably a good thing, having picked up enough pieces of bodies on roads. I quit years ago thank God.
The short answer to your question is no. I wouldnt write him. I'd take his keys away and would not let him back in the car. I might even talk with his Boss and try and get him help, "Ive done that a few times". I'd give him a ride home too. On the plus side unless you ran into someone ,or were just blind drunk, the odds of me writing you are about 0 too.
But I come from a different time with different codes. You should have seen these olds guys when I first came on.
The worse thing they can do to me is force me to retire, and then I'll just play AH all day long. I haven't worked Mids for awhiles thankfully. I did get tired of all the drunks.
OK,
You don’t see DUI as a serious crime or threat; bad example on my part.
Let’s suppose that you pull a guy over and he has a pile of dead children in the back of his pick-up. Do you do the cop courtesy thing and let him go?
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Originally posted by Maverick
More than you have. How long were you in Law Enforcement again?
why so defensive... it's a simple question?
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Let’s suppose that you pull a guy over and he has a pile of dead children in the back of his pick-up. Do you do the cop courtesy thing and let him go?
That's pretty extreme. Here's a question we already know the answer to:
What if your partner handcuffs a guy and beats him senseless for mouthing off?
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What I find most ironic is the military police that I work with have a saying.
"we eat our own"
That is they bust there own for doing wrong more than they do others. It's not that they are a bunch of F ups but rather they hold themselves to a higher standard. How can you police others when you can't police your own?
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Originally posted by Torque
why so defensive... it's a simple question?
Actually I'm not being defensive. I was trying to put your comment into perspective. You made a claim regarding all Police everywhere. I asked what your basis of experience was. You didn't answer the question.
In regards to your question. I can recall writing 3 Officers a ticket. I also wrote a DEA agent one. I participated in a line up for one Officer who was accused of rape. He was convicted and I am still pissed at him over 20 years later that I had to be in the same line up with him and I'm ashamed that he was guilty and an Officer.
As I stated earlier I wrote a City Councilman from my city, but that really doesn't count since to be honest, I didn't recognise him at the time. I would have written him anyhow if I had. I also wrote a City Judge. I thought about not writing him ( I was a rookie at the time) but he was a stand up guy and told me to treat him just like anyone else. He knew he blew the stop sign. Later on every time I showed up in his court he called me "dead eye". He also told each of my defendants the story and finished with "I had to pay my $35.00 and so do you". He was just one heck of a good guy ands I was sorry to see him retire some 25 years ago.
I didn't write every Officer I stopped. I didn't write my friend when I stopped him either. I also didn't write every stranger I wrote. I exercised my discretion as best I could but wasn't going to be some chickens**t salamander to those I cared about over something trivial.
If you think all cops let each other go for everything you are wrong. If you think they hammer each other over everything you are wrong again. We are still people, not some robotic ticket machine.
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The problem is Maverick there are less and less police officers like you and more and more of the 'you broke a law you scumbag' types gravitating towards your profession.
At least that's been the last couple of experiences I've had with my interactions with officers of law enforcement.
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Dichotomy,
Obviously I know nothing about the situation you are referring to. Let me give you another perspective to think about.
Try walking into a situation because you either saw something or were sent to a call. You know very little at all about the participants or even the situation. Yet you have to deal with both the situation and the people. Now realize that the attitude of the folks you are dealing with is intensely negative even before you have had the chance to say hi. They do not want you there and are expressing that feeling in very colorful language referring to you, your family and your profession. Keep in mind that everything you are dealing with there is regarding a rather petty situation. Now try this several times a day just about every day. What do you think your attitude might get like?
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Ive given so many breaks with tickets I could in no way count them. Ive given a lot of breaks with DUIs. I given a lot of breaks to young kids, and others, with small amounts of drugs just cause I dont want to pound them for life with a felony conviction. Ive given tons of breaks to all kinds of people from every race.
I am a "public servant". Not some little robot for this wretched system. They can stick their ticket books in the ears for all I care.
The whole thing started with these whiz kid college moron Bosses and their obsession with stats. That and they wanted to turn us into ticket potatos for their crummy revenue.
Im just glad my sun is setting and I'll be off this job in a few years.
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Originally posted by KONG1
Only one way to deal with these scoff-laws:
Citizen Arrest! Citizen Arrest!
But seriously folks. Rick46's post is most telling. A law enforcement officer who has no sense of objective morality, thinks there's something wrong with anyone expecting it, and assumes everyone else to be just as immoral.
Thing is, this type of "courtesy" (read criminal enablement) extends beyond traffic violations.
Junior isnt your mommy calling you?
Walk in my shoes for a week and then step in and talk like a fool.
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easy mav... the initial thread was about officers ticketing each other for minor traffic violations and i never said anything about other serious crimes like rape.
my experiences... i grew up with cop culture, cop parties and having a brother who is a detective.
sure cops aren't robotic ticket machines and neither are they immune to the politics and pressures in the workplace.
i've just seen it too much to think otherwise.
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from my experience, cops will most often not write other cops for minor infractions. but when it comes to more serious things like crazy speeding, careless or reckless driving, you will find more and more cops either writing them, or making a phone call to their superiors. also, you will find that for DUI, the cop's supervisor's will be called to the scene more and more, or just flat out arrested. these days,driver's liability is such a big factor in retaining a cop that there isn't much tolerance for driving issues.
cop culture is dynamic just like everything else, it changes over time. things are much different now than when i started, particularly in the Use of Force and so-called "professional courtesy" and the big "point five-oh", or 50% off meals and freebies... these sentimental traditions are falling by the wayside, often due to departmental rules and regulations, general orders or policy.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Dichotomy,
Obviously I know nothing about the situation you are referring to. Let me give you another perspective to think about.
Try walking into a situation because you either saw something or were sent to a call. You know very little at all about the participants or even the situation. Yet you have to deal with both the situation and the people. Now realize that the attitude of the folks you are dealing with is intensely negative even before you have had the chance to say hi. They do not want you there and are expressing that feeling in very colorful language referring to you, your family and your profession. Keep in mind that everything you are dealing with there is regarding a rather petty situation. Now try this several times a day just about every day. What do you think your attitude might get like?
Ahhh yes but my attitude is always respectful and polite when dealing with peace officers. I understand that they (you) do a crappy job full of dealing with the scum of the earth on a day to day basis that is underpaid, under insured, and generally disrespected by the masses.
When I extend courtesy I generally expect to get it back. This wasn't the case in these situations. If you pull me over for any reason as you approach my car my hands will be in plain sight (side by side wrists on the steering wheel), the engine will be off, and if it is at night my dome light will be on. Even if you write me a ticket I'm going to continue to be as polite as possible but I have taken the time to get to know the laws and when I have the right to shut up. Reacting with the courtesy that is extended goes a long way towards building a positive relationship with the local citizens. I have to admit that I do tend to look at police cars with an air of suspicion these days.
Of course seeing as how I don't speed, know the fact that if I take a benydril and drive and run up against the wrong one I can be charged with a DUI, my tags are up to date, etc, etc, etc, I doubt I'll have to deal with very many of this ilk.
No slight intended towards you in any way, shape, or form, as I've said before I think you may be part of a, sadly, dying breed.
Gunth
I'll grant you that. We used to let any cop, fireman, etc, in for no cover if they showed proper id. Too many people started using fake badges and id's to skip the cover and we had to shut it down unless we personally knew the guy.
That, to be blunt, sucks.
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
Junior isnt your mommy calling you?
Walk in my shoes for a week and then step in and talk like a fool.
Are you even a cop, Rich? You sound like a blowhard salamander to me, and nothing else. Generally speaking, the ones that blow the hardest on this board are also the ones who are full of it.
I'm betting that those 'shoes' you walk in are either flip-flops or Nike Air size 8s.
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I'm a dick!!!!!!! And a jerk!!!!! :aok
BTW, Maverick wrote me a ticket once, but I was 18 at the time. Still havn't forgotten that. Red light, Broadway/Rosemont, 1977 ring any bells?? :rofl
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Yup and you deserved it too. :p
In 1977 I was fresh out of the academy and that location is not the area I was working in. That's Team 3 and I worked Team 2 at that time for most of the year then Team 1 for the last part of it. You sure it was me? 1987 I was in Team 2 and also Team 3 as a Motor
FWIW I got stopped on the afternoon before my High School Prom by a Motor that was still there as on the Dept. when I got assigned to Motors. He gave me a warning too. :D
Hey BTW tell Crouch and Kenny I said congrats on their National Police Motorcycle Competition win. Outstanding job! The competition is one of the things I really miss about the job.
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Contrary to what some probably believe, cops are human too. Most of us give special consideration to those with whom we share a bond. You want to get out of more tickets? Join the police force.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Frankly the ones most likely to get away from a traffic ticket were the Fire Fighters and their Para-Medics. Those were the guys that busted their butts to try and keep us alive.
:D
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cop gave me a ticket for "driving" in the HOV lane depite my blown transmission and smoking undercarriage...185 bux plus 4 grand for new transmission ..thanx for the break...Cops break the law and get a break great..give em a ticket and they post that junk..no pity from me
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"Must be because I had the flu' for Christmas
And I'm not feeling up to par
It increases my paranoia
Like looking at my mirror and seeing a police car
But I'm not giving in an inch to fear
Cause I missed myself this year
I feel like I owe it to someone"
:D
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Originally posted by Neubob
Are you even a cop, Rich? You sound like a blowhard salamander to me, and nothing else. Generally speaking, the ones that blow the hardest on this board are also the ones who are full of it.
I'm betting that those 'shoes' you walk in are either flip-flops or Nike Air size 8s.
No Im not. Gosh you caught me you little internet weenie boy. Anbd I do know better then to pose as one on internet forums with ignorant little monkeys like you.
So....I will bow out.
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Wow, you sure showed me.
What kind of tickets do hall monitors give these days, anyway?