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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Speed55 on September 27, 2007, 11:43:18 AM
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MS.406 Morane-Saulnier -1098 made - fighter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morane-Saulnier_M.S.406
D.520 Dewoitine -786 made - fighter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewoitine_D.520
Bloch 152 -639 made - fighter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloch_MB.150
Gloster Gladiator -768 made - biplane
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_Gladiator
Fulmar, Fairey -602 made - Carrier capabile fighter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairey_Fulmar
Defiant, Boulton Paul -723 made - fighter w/ rear gunner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boulton_Paul_Defiant
Potez 63 -1360 made - fighter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potez_630
Cr.42 Falco, Fiat -1781 made -biplane
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_CR.42
G.55 Centauro, Fiat -200 made - fighter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_G.55
Mig-3 -3322 made - fighter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-3
J2M Raiden, Mitsubishi - 476 made - fighter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_J2M
Ju 88G, Junkers - 750 made - 4 seat fighter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_88#Ju_88G
He 219, Heinkel - 2 seat fighter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_219
I didn't include anything American, since the B-25 won the last election.
I would like to see more planes in the early war set before anything.
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There's a fighter out there yet that was in production from 1939 through 1944.
Over 9,500 units were made.
It saw service in every major theater of the War, and was flown by the US, USSR, Australia, France, and Italy.
It'd still be a great addition to AH.
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P-39?
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Ju-88G was a night fighter, there would no real purpose in it in AH.
The Ju-88C-6 heavy fighter/attack I could see, sort of the LWs version of the A-20.
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Originally posted by Golfer
P-39?
:aok
Bronk
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Whatever it will be, please let it fit the Eastern Front early/mid plane set.
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Or maybe we could fill up that Japenses plan set so we could have some decent PTO setups.
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heyy i don't see any Ju87's there! :cry
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I picked only aircraft that were designated as fighters.
I'd like it if other early/midwar planes are added to the list from Italy, Japan, or Russia that i missed.
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Originally posted by oboe
There's a fighter out there yet that was in production from 1939 through 1944.
Over 9,500 units were made.
It saw service in every major theater of the War, and was flown by the US, USSR, Australia, France, and Italy.
It'd still be a great addition to AH.
Theres also a plane of which over 35,000 were made, but only two latewar models are represented...
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How about....
A6M3 Model 32 - 1 Seat Carrier Fighter
http://www.combinedfleet.com/ijna/a6m.htm
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Originally posted by Motherland
Theres also a plane of which over 35,000 were made, but only two latewar models are represented...
LaGG or Yak?
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Originally posted by oboe
LaGG or Yak?
Yak.
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Originally posted by Bronk
:aok
Bronk
Yeah, that's great, another American aircraft to complement the 20-odd ones we have already.
We need a Yak, a MiG, a LaGG, a Japanese fighter, or some French and Italian aircraft... Possibly a German fighter or two (a true Bf-109G-10, a 190A-4, and a 190A-6 would be great --- and a remodeling of the Ta-152 would be particularly delicious). Because, honestly, we have almost every significant aircraft used in the war, as far as the American side is concerned. Every other side has gaps.
Yes, even the British set has gaps... Spitfire gaps. We need the II and the VII. We'd also do nicely with some additional Mosquito variants. A Meteor would be a good fit, too.
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Spit II and VII would add little. Spits are as complete as can be expected, save, perhaps, a Seafire III.
Mossie variants, Beaufighter or Wellington are about it for the RAF. Maybe Meteor if that is your cup of tea.
Biggest gaps are the Russians and Japanese. P-39 does help with the Russian set, but it is kinda nasty to see early war East Front setups with only US and British aircraft for the Russians.
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Originally posted by Fruda
Yeah, that's great, another American aircraft to complement the 20-odd ones we have already.
We need a Yak, a MiG, a LaGG, a Japanese fighter, or some French and Italian aircraft... Possibly a German fighter or two (a true Bf-109G-10, a 190A-4, and a 190A-6 would be great --- and a remodeling of the Ta-152 would be particularly delicious). Because, honestly, we have almost every significant aircraft used in the war, as far as the American side is concerned. Every other side has gaps.
Yes, even the British set has gaps... Spitfire gaps. We need the II and the VII. We'd also do nicely with some additional Mosquito variants. A Meteor would be a good fit, too.
Please tell me one AC that would fill more holes.
Bronk
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g.55 please or ki series a.c or more axis rides!
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Originally posted by Bronk
Please tell me one AC that wold fill more holes.
Bronk
Please tell me you're not trying to get just one more American-made aircraft in the game for your pleasure.
Filling holes, eh? Since we're talking about the game here, the plane would be defaulted to the American planeset, and any other country would have to be represented by additional skins, save for perhaps the P-39Q...
...But, since we're talking about filling gaps, it wouldn't do a very good job, as the Russians had far more important aircraft manufactured in greater numbers than the P-39 (since the Q was a field mod, there really wasn't any manufacturing of the type going on...). Namely the Yak-1, Yak-3, Yak-7, MiG-3, Pe-2, LaGG-3...
...Do you see where I'm going with this? I'm sure you do, but I'm guessing you'd rather complete the American planeset before anything else gets added.
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Originally posted by Fruda
Snip
Right, so essentially no other ac could fill more holes.
Bronk
Edit: I believe the Q was a variant based off N field mods. As bell produced some 4000+ Q variants.
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P-39 fills more holes, other aircraft fill bigger holes.
As it is, the P-39 doesn't really fill any empty hole that a new Russian fighter wouldn't fill. All the non-Russian "holes" are already co-occupied by the P-40E. The P-39 would just add depth to the P-40E's coverage.
And result in yet more of this:
B-25D
F4F-4
P-38G
P-39D
P-40B
P-40E
SBD-5
TBM-3
vs.
A6M2
B5N2
D3A1
Does the P-39 really fill a hole there? No, it just adds depth to the US planeset.
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Great now lets talk north africa.
:rolleyes:
Bronk
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The P39 has more uses outside the MA than any other IMO............ I would still love to have a Yak 3 probably the most manouverable late war VVS ac with out of cockpit visibility to die for.
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Originally posted by Bronk
Great now lets talk north africa.
:rolleyes:
Bronk
Spitfire Mk V
Hurricane Mk IIC
Hurricane Mk IID
Mosquito Mk VI
A-20G?
B-25D
P-38G
P-39D
P-40E
vs.
C.202
Bf109F-4
Bf109G-2
Bf110C-4
Bf110G-2?
Fw190A-5?
Ju88A-4
Once again, additional depth, not a plugged hole. It is true across the board except in Russia.
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Yak-3, a lighter version of the Yak-9 (which is amazing in itself). 5000 were made, it could out-maneuver any German fighter.
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P-39 would be great!!!
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Originally posted by Bronk
Please tell me one AC that would fill more holes.
Bronk [/QUOTE
Has nothing to do with holes Bronk, just whatever flips their
switch. I really enjoy the Gladiator, Oscar, Yak 1 requests/demands...
even as scenario birds they would get eaten alive without other
early war stuff available :)
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more jap rides needed.......... JM2 or KI-43 gets my vote here
if not a jap ride, communist one, prefferably MIG-1/3 or P-39/63
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I say P-38H!!
And a bunch of Italian planes are much needed. I say first priority is getting the Italian plane set more than.. well. Two fighters. Maybe a S.M. 'Hunchback' transport, in addition to a Ju52 for Jerry.
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Gotta either be a Russian plane, or a Japanese plane.
We have a nice selection of the other countries.
P-39 would be nice, but probably not as useful as the NEXT plane, imo.
A nice MiG, or Ki-43 would be cool.
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double post
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I.A.R. 81c
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More Italian planes , now!
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What about the Romanian IAR-80.
The "C" model would be nice with 2ea MG 151/20 cannons and 4ea 7.92 FN machine guns.
Forker
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Originally posted by Forker
What about the Romanian IAR-80.
The "C" model would be nice with 2ea MG 151/20 cannons and 4ea 7.92 FN machine guns.
Forker
Look two posts up from yours. :)
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Id rather see the Me-410 than the ju88G because we have no use for a nightfighter.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Id rather see the Me-410 than the ju88G because we have no use for a nightfighter.
We have the Lanc which was basically a night bomber. We could always use a night fighter in the daytime... or add night time back if it makes you feel better
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Neither makes me feel better :)
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an Short Stirlin or a Page Halifax would be nice . it woul dbring a nice gropue of RAF bombers in (carried alot more than B-17's guys) . Would be great to see some more axis craft about . Don't NEED anymore American planes.........p.s could you call the mustang American as it was made for the RAF at first ?
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He-111
Beaufighter
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An SM79 Sparviero bomber/torpedo bomber would be awesome, but any italian/japanese aircraft would be great as well.
Also, i'd love a couple different transport options than the usual C-47, given than the transport role isn't that unimportant in AH
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Originally posted by Tiger
Or maybe we could fill up that Japenses plan set so we could have some decent PTO setups.
AMEN!!!!
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Beaufighter would be a great add-on for british
Italian Fiat B.R.20 Cicogna bomber carries 5500 lbs of ords
Italian G.55 or the M.C.200 Saetta for early war
Mitsubishi A5M Claude for EW set since it was more numerous at the start of the war than the zero
Mitsubishi G4M Betty bomber
Mitsubishi J2M Raiden "Jack"
Ki-43 Oscar
Ki-44 Tojo
D4Y Judy carrier dive bomber
B6N Jill carrier torpedo bomber
Yak 3
Mig 1
etc etc
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Rescue / Strategic planes
We should be able to land and pick up pilots who parachuted so that they don't get a 'captured' on their score points. We need planes which would be specifically dedicated to the task of getting downed pilots.
Land rescue:
Fieseler Storch <--- it rescued Mussolini, so it can save us downed pilots also.
Sea rescue:
Arado 196 <----- seaplane
Gruman Duck <---- seaplane
PBY Catalina <---- rescue points perk plane.
PILOTS NEED A FLARE GUN PLEASE for this, it would be the 2ndary weapon.
Mine Layers:
These would be awesome for damaging those pesky carrier groups.
He115 <---- a mine laying seaplane.
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AWAX type planes?
I take off in an Fw200 Condor and there would be a 'radar' like the bases have around it wherever I would fly, such that same country planes would see dots, not just darbars.
Fw200
How about a ground radar plane? A radar like the bases have to show ground vehicles as dots to same country planes.
Fw189 uhu (owl) <----- best of its type.
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Early war era planes:
For those of us who would like to defend (or invade) France, Poland, and Russia. ;)
Dewoitine 520
Polands open cockpit plane with the gull wings, I forget the name.
Polikarpov I-16
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I.A.R. 80 plane would be a novelty because its from an other country. It has a unique history: I heard that it first flew for Romania, then for Germany, then for Russia. Their pilots must have been confused lol. It would have the most possible countries paint jobs in the game.
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He111 is a must, just a question of when.
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Very High Perk Planes:
For those out there that have way too many points:
Horton 229, kinda like a 262 except that radar wouldn't detect them. Hmm, how about 2000 fighter points when perk bonus is 1.00?
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AWAX? :D
*poke poke* *ehm* AWACS
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Early:
D520, I-16, P39, Brewster, Fokker
Mid:
Beaufighter, RE or G55?
Late: Iar 80, P63
Just a few. There are many fill ins possible, and many bombers. Stuka B, 109D, Lala's, Yaks, and I lack more in the Japanese department ;)
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Il-10
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Originally posted by schlowy2
Rescue / Strategic planes
We should be able to land and pick up pilots who parachuted so that they don't get a 'captured' on their score points. We need planes which would be specifically dedicated to the task of getting downed pilots.
Actually this is a great idea, i wholeheartedly second it
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id like to see a couple of bi planes
gloster galdiator used in norway north africa the lone defenders of malta,did the fins fly it too?
CR42 a italian fighter used in north africa the med and a couple of times the battle of britain.
I153 A Russian plane used from what i have read quite sucssesfuly.
How about some early japanese fighters
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AWAX?
Sure, we need something to wax the planes with :D
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Westland Whirlwind
1940-1943.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westland_Whirlwind_%28fighter%29
General characteristics
Crew: One pilot
Length: 32 ft 3 in (9.83 m)
Wingspan: 45 ft 0 in (13.72 m)
Height: 11 ft 7 in (3.53 m)
Wing area: 250 ft² (23 m²)
Empty weight: 8,310 lb (3,770 kg)
Loaded weight: 10,356 lb (4,697 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 11,410 lb (5,175 kg)
Performance
Maximum speed: 360 mph (560 km/h)
Range: 808 miles (1,300 km)
Service ceiling: 30,315 ft (9,240 m)
Rate of climb: 1.550 ft/min (474 m/min)
Wing loading: 41 lb/ft² (204 kg/m²)
Armament
4x Hispano 20 mm cannon in nose (60 rounds per gun, 240 rounds total)
2x 250 lb (115 kg) or 500 lb (230 kg) bombs
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Originally posted by Tac
Westland Whirlwind
1940-1943.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westland_Whirlwind_%28fighter%29
General characteristics
Crew: One pilot
Length: 32 ft 3 in (9.83 m)
Wingspan: 45 ft 0 in (13.72 m)
Height: 11 ft 7 in (3.53 m)
Wing area: 250 ft² (23 m²)
Empty weight: 8,310 lb (3,770 kg)
Loaded weight: 10,356 lb (4,697 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 11,410 lb (5,175 kg)
Performance
Maximum speed: 360 mph (560 km/h)
Range: 808 miles (1,300 km)
Service ceiling: 30,315 ft (9,240 m)
Rate of climb: 1.550 ft/min (474 m/min)
Wing loading: 41 lb/ft² (204 kg/m²)
Armament
4x Hispano 20 mm cannon in nose (60 rounds per gun, 240 rounds total)
2x 250 lb (115 kg) or 500 lb (230 kg) bombs
Looks like a pig/turkey/POS/whatever you want to call it, judging by the picture... Though pictures aren't everything.
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I-16 would be kinda cool,and a KI-54 would be excelent:D :aok
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Originally posted by Motherland
Theres also a plane of which over 35,000 were made, but only two latewar models are represented...
Represented being a key word. Step aside. ;)
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Originally posted by Fruda
Please tell me you're not trying to get just one more American-made aircraft in the game for your pleasure.
Filling holes, eh? Since we're talking about the game here, the plane would be defaulted to the American planeset, and any other country would have to be represented by additional skins, save for perhaps the P-39Q...
...Do you see where I'm going with this? I'm sure you do, but I'm guessing you'd rather complete the American planeset before anything else gets added.
Presumptive. I can see HT doing it in the livery it flew most in. What I don't see is a reason to be resentful because it was produced in the U.S.
The Russians certainly didn't seem to resent it. ;)
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Originally posted by Karnak
P-39 fills more holes, other aircraft fill bigger holes.
As it is, the P-39 doesn't really fill any empty hole that a new Russian fighter wouldn't fill. All the non-Russian "holes" are already co-occupied by the P-40E. The P-39 would just add depth to the P-40E's coverage.
And result in yet more of this:
B-25D
F4F-4
P-38G
P-39D
P-40B
P-40E
SBD-5
TBM-3
vs.
A6M2
B5N2
D3A1
Does the P-39 really fill a hole there? No, it just adds depth to the US planeset.
I know I've been away awhile, K .... but did you intend to leave out some stuff? HTC still lists the Japanese planeset as:
A6M2
A6M5b
B5N2
D3A1
Ki-61-I-KAIc
Ki-67
Ki-84-la
N1K2-J
:D
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Originally posted by Shiryu
An SM79 Sparviero bomber/torpedo bomber would be awesome, but any italian/japanese aircraft would be great as well.
Also, i'd love a couple different transport options than the usual C-47, given than the transport role isn't that unimportant in AH
Ayuh. :D
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Originally posted by schlowy2
Rescue / Strategic planes
We should be able to land and pick up pilots who parachuted so that they don't get a 'captured' on their score points. We need planes which would be specifically dedicated to the task of getting downed pilots.
Land rescue:
Fieseler Storch <--- it rescued Mussolini, so it can save us downed pilots also.
Sea rescue:
Arado 196 <----- seaplane
Gruman Duck <---- seaplane
PBY Catalina <---- rescue points perk plane.
PILOTS NEED A FLARE GUN PLEASE for this, it would be the 2ndary weapon.
Mine Layers:
These would be awesome for damaging those pesky carrier groups.
He115 <---- a mine laying seaplane.
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AWAX type planes?
I take off in an Fw200 Condor and there would be a 'radar' like the bases have around it wherever I would fly, such that same country planes would see dots, not just darbars.
Fw200
How about a ground radar plane? A radar like the bases have to show ground vehicles as dots to same country planes.
Fw189 uhu (owl) <----- best of its type.
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Early war era planes:
For those of us who would like to defend (or invade) France, Poland, and Russia. ;)
Dewoitine 520
Polands open cockpit plane with the gull wings, I forget the name.
Polikarpov I-16
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I.A.R. 80 plane would be a novelty because its from an other country. It has a unique history: I heard that it first flew for Romania, then for Germany, then for Russia. Their pilots must have been confused lol. It would have the most possible countries paint jobs in the game.
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He111 is a must, just a question of when.
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Very High Perk Planes:
For those out there that have way too many points:
Horton 229, kinda like a 262 except that radar wouldn't detect them. Hmm, how about 2000 fighter points when perk bonus is 1.00?
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Everything you mentioned before early war is pure novelty. Novelty's nice but add function and filling more significant holes in historical scenarios and you have a winner. Early war only goes so far as their true place in filling the essential holes in early scenarios. If they also don't duplicate functionality too much and offer something to the main it's missing, as well, you (again) have a winner.
The Horton is just another variant of the ongoing "We *need* a B-29 with a nuke!" laugh. ;)
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Originally posted by rogerdee
id like to see a couple of bi planes
gloster galdiator used in norway north africa the lone defenders of malta,did the fins fly it too?
CR42 a italian fighter used in north africa the med and a couple of times the battle of britain.
I153 A Russian plane used from what i have read quite sucssesfuly.
How about some early japanese fighters
SCW planeset and arena, baybee! :aok
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I'm real tempted to say the P-26 Pea Shooter. But I tend to lean toward aircraft made for laughs in the Main Arena, and lord knows I could fall in love with a Peashooter. Besides, I already fly the D3A1 constantly since I can't have it. :lol
But for a more realistic 'we need this' aircraft I'd have to go with...
I'd say something... Something... IJN, not IJA though, we got a few Imperial Japanese Army fighters. If I remember correctly the N1K1, Ki-61, and Ki-84 were all IJA, from land bases. Probably another Zero model would be nice. But the Raiden (J2M3?) would be nice to have too.
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More stuff...
How about some limos or sports cars for transporting high command?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hitlerscarnew.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1930_Mercedes-Benz_SSK_34.jpg
How bout some V1's and V2's? Pound the enemy towns and maybe even vultch from the safety of our own base. :rofl
How bout trucks to tow guns which would require a min or so in order to pack/unpack?
Examples:
88mm puffy flak / anti tank guns.
Howitzer artillary guns for long range attacking.
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Originally posted by Karnak
P-39 fills more holes, other aircraft fill bigger holes.
As it is, the P-39 doesn't really fill any empty hole that a new Russian fighter wouldn't fill. All the non-Russian "holes" are already co-occupied by the P-40E. The P-39 would just add depth to the P-40E's coverage.
And result in yet more of this:
B-25D
F4F-4
P-38G
P-39D
P-40B
P-40E
SBD-5
TBM-3
vs.
A6M2
B5N2
D3A1
Does the P-39 really fill a hole there? No, it just adds depth to the US planeset.
Yes but russian fighter are also like that....We need another Yak...The reason AC pilots don't fly Yaks is becaus they had little ammo.A Yak model with more ammo would work great...:aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok
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Originally posted by Arlo
Represented being a key word. Step aside. ;)
Still, not having a complete Yak series is like not having a complete Spitfire or wartime 109 series (not that I dont want a Dora!). The Yak9U and 9T need updated anyway, they could add a couple more while they're at it. And, a Yak 1 would finally give Russia a voice in EW.
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Originally posted by Motherland
Still, not having a complete Yak series is like not having a complete Spitfire or wartime 109 series (not that I dont want a Dora!). The Yak9U and 9T need updated anyway, they could add a couple more while they're at it. And, a Yak 1 would finally give Russia a voice in EW.
An LaGG-3 and a MiG-3 would do nicely as well. Methinks beefing up the Russian set with a Pe-2, Tu-2, LaGG-3, Yak-1, and MiG-3 would do wonders.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Presumptive. I can see HT doing it in the livery it flew most in. What I don't see is a reason to be resentful because it was produced in the U.S.
The Russians certainly didn't seem to resent it. ;)
Nah, not because it was produced over here, but simply because the American side has the most aircraft currently modeled by far. I just think that the other countries should receive more aircraft before the U.S. gets another... It only seems fair, really.
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I would really like to see an axis alternative to the C47. Ju52 would be the most obvious choise, but the italians and japanese also have some. One with floats that could be made available from ports would be the most fun.
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Nilsen, I think it would totally rock if there were a float plane that could take off from a port! So the available vehicles in the VH at a port would be the normal GVs, plus this float plane, and when you upped it, it would appear right there at the end of the pier facing out to the sea. That would rock!