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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on September 28, 2007, 07:50:25 PM
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LMAO, this HAD to be you Lazs!
This video is actually funny and sad at the same time (That so many young women had no clue to what they were signing)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uPcthZL2RE
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
LMAO, this HAD to be you Lazs!
This video is actually funny and sad at the same time (That so many young women had no clue to what they were signing)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uPcthZL2RE
:rofl "we rest our case" LOL
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well... let me ask you...
Do you think the people are more or less free since we let women vote?
Would you like to live your life as your mom/wife/girlfriend believes you should?
lazs
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I wonder if the headmaster at the Padua Academy is looking for a new job?
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Allowing women to vote, work as equals... will end up being one of the downfalls of the US
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Originally posted by lazs2
well... let me ask you...
Do you think the people are more or less free since we let women vote?
Would you like to live your life as your mom/wife/girlfriend believes you should?
lazs
Generally if someone takes the time, effort and has the desire to have their voice make a difference, they'll vote.
Uninformed dolts don't take the time to do that, whether they're men or women.... and there's plenty of dolt men out there who don't take the time to register, take the day off work every once in a while to vote... and those men probably wouldn't take the time to research any of the topics/candidates up on the ballot anyhow. Just as well that those men & women don't vote.
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going by the uniforms it was probably a catholic school, so i can see why.
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Originally posted by Torque
going by the uniforms it was probably a catholic school, so i can see why.
Humor me. Are there statistics out there that show catholic schools are less educated than a typical university student or is this simply a sterotype by you?
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teenage years with many catholic school girlfriends rip, and i loved them all.
but hey... i never wrote that it was 'sad' or 'funny' or that they were ' less educated' that was you.
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Originally posted by Torque
teenage years with many catholic school girlfriends rip, and i loved them all.
but hey... i never wrote that it was 'sad' or 'funny' or that they were ' less educated' that was you.
My comments were directed at the specific students interviewed, not enmass like your sterotype was. I guess your hate of religion bled through your post. Oops. :rolleyes:
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quite the opposite rip... i'm forever great full to the catholic board.
but... then again you're the one mocking these catholic school girls not me.
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Should women be allowed to have guns as well?
:D
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Originally posted by lazs2
well... let me ask you...
Do you think the people are more or less free since we let women vote?
Would you like to live your life as your mom/wife/girlfriend believes you should?
lazs
Originally posted by SteveBailey
Allowing women to vote, work as equals... will end up being one of the downfalls of the US
With all due respect:
You guys are being called on this... I find this kind of posting to be very disturbing and insulting and offensive... even in jest.
It's not funny.
That kind of attitude is as antiquated as the horse and buggy and cross burning.
It puts a chill in the air... it is unwelcome and unappreciated.
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by Tigeress
With all due respect:
You guys are being called on this... I find this kind of posting to be very disturbing and insulting and offensive... even in jest.
It's not funny.
That kind of attitude is as antiquated as the horse and buggy and cross burning.
It puts a chill in the air... it is unwelcome and unappreciated.
TIGERESS
I'm not sure I feel about women being allowed to ride shotgun. Nothing good can come from a woman being that close to a steering wheel.
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Originally posted by Neubob
I'm not sure I feel about women being allowed to ride shotgun. Nothing good can come from a woman being that close to a steering wheel.
I am not going to be drawn into a battle of the sexes.
I am taking note of who says what though.
There are plenty of men here and elsewhere who don't do all their thinking with their gonads.
I think this topic is very offensive.
TIGERESS
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Are you making a list of names and then crossing them out?
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Originally posted by Neubob
Are you making a list of names and then crossing them out?
Not making a list... just observing.
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by Tigeress
I am not going to be drawn into a battle of the sexes.
I am taking note of who says what though.
There are plenty of men here and elsewhere who don't do all their thinking with their gonads.
I think this topic is very offensive.
TIGERESS
It is absolutely offensive indeed. Okay, where is a chevalier when needed :D
I'm in, maybe not a bad idea, for I am a guy, but completely disagree with Lazs. In most cases :D
Now, the burning crosses stuff as well as questionable allowance of woman's rights seems to come from the same camp.
Same camp as I know so well in the global warming and gun threads. Didn't mention coloured folks and religion yet though.
You will observe some different kinds of posts on this thread, - if it doesn't get locked or something like that.
The ones that will pass for your observation are such of the Lazs kind such as this:
"Originally posted by lazs2
well... let me ask you...
Do you think the people are more or less free since we let women vote?
Would you like to live your life as your mom/wife/girlfriend believes you should?
lazs "
A very good thing indeed, since he does not seem to categorize women as half the "people" which they are. All those rantings on rights......
So, let's fish out some more golden ones. Upcoming ....
BTW, my remark about women and guns was a straight slash about "rights", since some here are very hot about the necessity of having plenty of artillery, while doubting woman's rights for even the vote! As a guy I get offended about a statement like the one I quoted simply for the behalf of the women. GRRRRRR!
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I never let women drive me around either.
That is not to say that there are not some women who should vote and that there are not some women who drive well..
there are just so few of em that it is not worth it.
Women should be allowed to have firearms.
txmom... it is not that women are not informed or study the issues. it is that they vote for security over freedom..
It is their nature. That is fine for raising children but is very bad for adults.
I would say one thing tho... It would be fine for women to vote if we still had a strong constitution that we followed..
lazs
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So you do say that not all women should have the rights for voting.
Just here:
"That is not to say that there are not some women who should vote and that there are not some women who drive well.."
"Some women should vote". You really amaze me, and IMHO guys that claim things like this should neither vote, shoot, or drive.
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well.. of course that would be your opinion... you are a product of women being allowed to vote and... proof of what I say.
It really wouldn't matter if no one could vote on security over freedom. You could weep openly at the voting booth along with the women on the lack of compassion in politics for all I care. Just so long as you couldn't restrict my freedom.
lazs
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But lazs, your suggestion of eliminating the right for women to vote is an EXTREME form of restricting THEIR freedom. What would give you that right? The Constitution? I hope not.
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yes it would. I am not in favor of that. It is merely my opinion that they should not vote...or... they should vote as some man tells em to.
The problem is not so much with them voting as with them being able to vote for politicians and laws that are unconstitutional. If we obeyed the constitution there would be no problem with women and womenly men voting... they would have nothing to vote on.
nothing to hurt me anyway.
lazs
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lol
Silly me.
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curval... I have told you several times in the past that it would not be my right to take away womens right to vote.
My opinion is that they never should have been allowed to vote tho. It would be no more unconstitutional than telling me I couldn't own a BAR or Thompson sub gun or a shotgun that is 1/16 of an inch too short soooo..
hell.. we either live by the constitution or.. anything goes. We can get back to freedom from two directions... we can simply abide by the constitution and get our freedoms back... or.. we can take away womens right to vote and have em go back on their own.
The former works better than the latter for me but I am just enough of a hypocrite to not be upset by the latter.
lazs
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Here are some fine examples of sociopaths who would agree with certian views voiced here...
Those that think as they do should go stand with them, imho.
TIGERESS
EDIT: These three sociopaths are/were the direct (and indirect) cause of the death of more women than I could count in a lifetime.
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff232/Tigeress_ah/ben_laden.jpg)
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff232/Tigeress_ah/sadaam1.jpg)
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff232/Tigeress_ah/Hitler_and_Goering.jpg)
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and... every single one of those was loved by the women who supported them and bought into their version of security. I bet a lot more women liked hitlers idea of gun control to make them safe than men did for instance.
lazs
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Ok. Now post a pic of yourself :D
BTW, I'd like to know what you know of gun control. He sure made sure that a lot of bullets were fired. Anyway, His women had a habit of suicide. (not just Eva).
And Göring. Well, he was griefed by the death of his first wife to such an extent that he built a mansion in her memory. Went okay with the second one if I recall right.
Hussein, - a gun-loving hustler, passing the style down to his sons, all are now rotting.
Bin Laden? Did he loose his cherry yet? Anyway, those extreme moslims actually don't like women's right. Things like Voting come in first, then things like dressing, driving, reading etc.....you like a guy calling himself Lazs once said on a forum regarding women's right's:
"My opinion is that they never should have been allowed to vote tho"
Have a nice day.
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I don't care how women dress.. I don't care if they drink or smoke or do drugs or wear their seatbelts or helmets or lifejackets in boats... I don't care what they do for sex with other willing adult partners in private and I don't care what they listen too or see and... they can have all the guns they want so far as I am concerned.
they can have all the medical treatment they want so long as they pay for it and not me. They can even commit suicide or kill their unborn up till a certain point.
I just wish that they would leave me alone to do the same... it is not their nature tho. Women... and some less than manly men... feel that security is more important than freedom or individuality... they feel that socialism will cure all the injustices of life... they don't realize that taking away freedom is the biggest injustice of all.
I am of course generalizing.. but it is a good generalization...it is like saying negros vote for democrats. not all do but so many as to make it a viable generalization.
lazs
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What I love most about Lazs speeches is the utter lack of emotion--especially when it's on issues that make other people red with anger in 2 seconds or less.
Easily worth the price of admission
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Well, if you want them to leave you alone, just look ugly(er) and lock yourself up with a pair of angry dogs and your arsenal :D
As for more or less "manly" men's view on freedom, well, I consider myself manly enough, and MANLY ENOUGH to consider a woman's freedom to be equal to the ones of man.
For you Lazs, who is using the family braincell at the moment?
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Coulda been me too
Im 1000% all for ending womans suffrage
And a few other things while we're at it.
LOL
Im gonna start my own "End Womans Suffrage" petition
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Originally posted by Torque
teenage years with many catholic school girlfriends rip, and i loved them all.
but hey... i never wrote that it was 'sad' or 'funny' or that they were ' less educated' that was you.
Anyone else ever notice that private and Catholic school girls were a easier to have their legs parted then public school girls? (A LOT easier actually)
You could get em to do more slutty things too
Least that was my experience.
LOL And Im not even joking
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Repression and depravity are directly linked.
The Muzzies are an even better example of the Catholics.
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Originally posted by Tigeress
Here are some fine examples of sociopaths who would agree with certian views voiced here...
Those that think as they do should go stand with them, imho.
TIGERESS
EDIT: These three sociopaths are/were the direct (and indirect) cause of the death of more women than I could count in a lifetime.
And for quite some time in this countr there were those who were against womens right to vote. Including the founding fathers and John Adams in neglecting to do so in spite of being ewncourages by his wife Abigail to "remember the ladies"
Point is.
Compairing those you did to those here is a bit of a stretch. actually more then just a bit.
For every barbarian type dictator you come up with you can also probably provide one who wasnt, or isnt that supports some of the same views
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Angus it doesn't say much good of your own wit and lucidity to insinuate lazs is stupid.
The issue with "womens' freedom" isn't that it per se is less deserving than mens', but that it will lead them to replicate what they were conditioned to. "For your own good", "think of the children", etc.
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somebody gets it...
plus... he made me feel "less than".
lazs
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
And for quite some time in this countr there were those who were against womens right to vote. Including the founding fathers and John Adams in neglecting to do so in spite of being ewncourages by his wife Abigail to "remember the ladies"
Point is.
Compairing those you did to those here is a bit of a stretch. actually more then just a bit.
For every barbarian type dictator you come up with you can also probably provide one who wasnt, or isnt that supports some of the same views
Women are full fledged human beings... thinking of us as "less than" or "less deserving" than men, is sociopathic in my view... and thus pretty pathetic.
A sociopath is a sociopath regardless of degree. One shouldn't act like that if one is not one.
TIGERESS
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well... a sociopath, or any one I am aware of is an equal opportunity nutter... he couldn't care less about anyone regardless of race, creed, color, or gender.
but, men and women are different regardless of if you think they are equal or not... they most definintly are not "equal" men are stronger. women live longer.. women and men do not have equal hormones. in those things they are not in the least "equal"
women and men should have the same rights but those "rights" end when they, either men or women, try to control others.
lazs
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Originally posted by Tigeress
Women are full fledged human beings...
Is it okay if I use that as my new sig line?
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Originally posted by lazs2
well... a sociopath, or any one I am aware of is an equal opportunity nutter... he couldn't care less about anyone regardless of race, creed, color, or gender.
but, men and women are different regardless of if you think they are equal or not... they most definintly are not "equal" men are stronger. women live longer.. women and men do not have equal hormones. in those things they are not in the least "equal"
women and men should have the same rights but those "rights" end when they, either men or women, try to control others.
lazs
I agree with most of what you have said, Lazs.
I am not sure but that you are confusing the word sociopath with the word socialist. They are two very different terms.
I think "Men" are great... and I put my heros on a pedestal... and cherish and protect their egos as best I can.
There are men in Aces High who have earned hero status in my eyes.
I respect everyone as a human being, regardless.
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by Neubob
Is it okay if I use that as my new sig line?
Surrre thang, Mista :aok
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by moot
Angus it doesn't say much good of your own wit and lucidity to insinuate lazs is stupid.
The issue with "womens' freedom" isn't that it per se is less deserving than mens', but that it will lead them to replicate what they were conditioned to. "For your own good", "think of the children", etc.
Well, call it what you choose. But I have those two golden lines on the same page from Lazs, - issue woman's rights:
"My opinion is that they never should have been allowed to vote tho"
And later:
"women and men should have the same rights"
Since that one gets ended with a "but" and yadda yadda about controlling others, how about men NOT controlling women in the same way.
Oink to you Lazs.
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Lazs, are you making people cry again?
For SHAME!!
:rofl
Come on guys....Lazs may actually mean the things he says about women.
On the other hand, he may be playing you like a fiddle, just to hear you screech.
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There is then a long and consistent plan in that, for the "freedom" issue with it's various important sides has been adressed for a long time. It has had a line through the gun-threads, the corporation issues, the global warming threads, the gay marriage, and then, women.
Here's a golden oldie. What the woman should be like:
"I want clean, kinky and good natured. I want to be able to do what I want to do and I very seldom comprimise on anything important. If babies are involved then they need to stay home and raise em. "
Very nice Lazs. A bit old though .....
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Originally posted by Tigeress
Women are full fledged human beings... thinking of us as "less than" or "less deserving" than men, is sociopathic in my view... and thus pretty pathetic.
A sociopath is a sociopath regardless of degree. One shouldn't act like that if one is not one.
TIGERESS
"In CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all MEN are created equal, "
Does it say all ? No
Does it say human beings? No
Does it say Men and Women? No it does not
It says "Men"..specifically :D
Considering it was considered a legal document Im sure the wording was carefully put in place. as legal documents usually are.
So now your saying the foundng fathers were sociopaths?
But before you try and lump me into that catagory. (assuming you are) You may want ot find out how I treat women first.
True I am a chauvinist I freely admit that
And I do not treat most women as my equal. which for most women is a good thing as I am typically pretty damn respectful of them and will treat them as "ladies"
Which most women like.
The women that tend to have problems with me are the ones that slam their fist on the table and demand equality.
And thats exactly what I give them. I treat them, talk to them and behave just as I would when in the company of men.
You want equality, I give it to you. But you take the good with the bad.
You dont demand equality then expect to be treated special as a "lady" cause now your not. Now your an equal.
and thats the problem I have with the womens rights kooks. They want all equality, but they still wanto t be treated special too.
Sorry. with me it doesnt work that way.
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Angus it seems like your bias is that lazs should be wrong. The two statements "women ought'nt to have voting power" and "men and women's right ought to be equal" aren't mutualy exclusive, there's no contradiction.
And then in the other post you're mixing his personal taste specificaly for relationship with general, idealized notions. Apples and oranges.
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I think you miss the essence of founder's system. They knew full well that a republic with educated, exclusive voters electing similarly educated representatives in a system that balanced power to reduce the chance of tyrannical rule was the only chance the new country had. At the time, it was rare for a woman to be educated.
They never meant for a handful of lawyers appointed for life to rule the land any more than the temporary general manger (president) would, any more than the Congress would. They would all be corrupted in time.
Now we have dummies voting in people who appeal to the ignorance and malleability of half the population. The founders were right. That is a greater threat to the nation than any other threat anyone can dream of. J6P is the threat.
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
I wonder if the headmaster at the Padua Academy is looking for a new job?
Doubt it.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Doubt it.
Yeah, but if I were the Father of any of the girls in that vid, I'd already be demanding my money back-High school age girls' not knowing what women's suffrage is???
I would not trumpet a private school over a public school anymore.
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Originally posted by Tigeress
Here are some fine examples of sociopaths who would agree with certian views voiced here...
Those that think as they do should go stand with them, imho.
TIGERESS
EDIT: These three sociopaths are/were the direct (and indirect) cause of the death of more women than I could count in a lifetime.
Bin Laden Saddam and Hitler?
Hitler yes... the others in the top three are Stalin and Mao... then Pol Pot and probably a half a dozen others before Saddam. Bin Laden by body count is pretty far down on the list.
"Now you can join the ranks of the illustrious
In historys great dark hall of fame
All our famous killers were industrious
At least the ones that we all know by name
But you can reach the top of your profession
If you become the leader of the land
For murder is the sport of the elected
And you dont need to lift a finger of your hand"
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I think we all need to relax. What's not shown is very typical of most videos. We're only shown those that answered ignorantly. How many (not shown) knew what suffrage is? The guy in the video had his agenda (as do most). He's just pushing his (again, like most).
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Yeah, but if I were the Father of any of the girls in that vid, I'd already be demanding my money back-High school age girls' not knowing what women's suffrage is???
I would not trumpet a private school over a public school anymore.
What this video shows you is the following. Private schools aren't worth the money.
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Originally posted by moot
Angus it seems like your bias is that lazs should be wrong. The two statements "women ought'nt to have voting power" and "men and women's right ought to be equal" aren't mutualy exclusive, there's no contradiction.
And then in the other post you're mixing his personal taste specificaly for relationship with general, idealized notions. Apples and oranges.
I see them as a complete paradox. Unless voting isn't a human right.
It was "My opinion is that they never should have been allowed to vote".
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Originally posted by Angus
I see them as a complete paradox. Unless voting isn't a human right.
It was "My opinion is that they never should have been allowed to vote".
According to the bible they should get what... 6/10 of a vote?
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Originally posted by moot
And then in the other post you're mixing his personal taste specificaly for relationship with general, idealized notions. Apples and oranges.
Apples come in many different colors while oranges are generally orange.
Apples have a homogenous internal texture, kind of like rigid foam, while oranges are made of several membranous sections surrounding a central stem. Within each section are more membranous droplet size juice cells.
Apples have a paper thin peel that can be easily eaten while an orange’s skin is sometimes quite thick and is generally thought of as at least an unpleasant thing to eat, although grated orange peel is used in cooking.
There I’ve done it… I’ve compared apples to oranges. What was so difficult about that?
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hehe, good point.
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That's easily the most useless post of yours I've seen yet, Holden. Have fun being thick with Lazs Angus.
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i don't know about useless, but i didn't gather a thing about the differences in flavor.
an incomplete comparison perhaps.
but quite useful otherwise...
the foam comparison resonates.
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Being thick?
"My opinion is that they never should have been allowed to vote"
If that is hard to understand, who's thick?
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tigress... I think I know what a sociopath is. A socialist is a nutter too tho.
and... you have heroes in AH? that was a strange statement.
angus... yep...your golden oldie still applies.. clean, kinky and good natured trump any other female attributes for one I want to be around. nothing has changed.
women and womenly men should not vote... they are not capable of the responsibility... anyone who would give up freedom for security is incapable of responsible voting.
and yes... you are womanly. I am sorry but working with cows or whatever doesn't change that. you think like a woman.. you are the enemy... you think that you have the right to tell others what type of firearm they can have or even who can have one. you think that you can take other peoples money to pay for injustices you percieve... You fear some man made global warming boogey man and run to your government to "save" you... no matter how much freedom it takes away from your fellow man.
In that respect... and because of those qualities... your vote is the same as a womans... mostly emotion based on nothing.
we all have opinions on who should be allowed to vote... ledpig would probly have an IQ test and set the bar at 5 below his.. say 105 or so... others would make it that you had to serve in the military first... others would make it so that you had to own property...
There are ways to generalize.. negros vote is worthless just like womens for instance... they vote like 90% democrat. zombies voting.
lazs
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It just seems ironic, given Lazs stance that the most free countries in the world are those that try to eliminate discrimation against women. One in particular, the USA which prides itself on it's freedom is also one of the leaders in reducing discrimination. Surely this is a paradox, Lazs?
Look at all the countries out there who tend to oppress women or reduce their rights. Iran, Saudia Arabia, Taliban Afghanistan, need I go on?
The freeist countries in the world are those that treat women like human beings and not chattel. Women are the civilisers in this world. Without them men live like pigs and fight like dogs.
It is also ironic that you seek to reduce the freedom of others simply because they are women, not just some women but all women, in your quest to increase freedom for all. It simply doesn't make sense.
I don't believe I should demand that other people should live their lives in a way that I would find intolerable if the same standard was applied to me.
The way I measure my attitude to anything is to ask myself. Would I be happy if someone expected that of me?
The question is this. Would you be happy if someone told you that you could no longer vote because you're a man? If the answer is no then you have no right to expect it of anyone else.
It's as simple as that.
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I would not restrict their rights in any way... I would give them more rights than they have now if I could make the laws...
I simply feel that they should not vote. I would like to convince them not to based on logic.. they are incapable and it seems like they should understand that and stop doing it.
lazs
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All this chatter leaves out the main problem..... the poor choices we have for the offices available. We need to limit terms in all offices otherwise we end up like now.. with a bunch of useless individuals lining their pockets.
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So, deprive "them" of the right to vote, and give "them" what instead?
Oh, and talking about no right to vote, what of other rights of participating in politics and administration alike.
You seem to have a flat opinion on women and their capacities. Maybe you breed them and educate different from the Europeans?
Here's one that almost made it to Prez in one Euroland. Maybe you travel over and tell her that in your opinion women should never have gotten the right to vote:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Royal-san2.jpg/250px-Royal-san2.jpg)
And then I'd love to see you tell THIS ONE about her incapability regarding basing things on logic:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Thatcher-loc.jpg/210px-Thatcher-loc.jpg)
Hmm. maybe you should just not do that. Stay home and vote:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Hillary_Rodham_Clinton.jpg/480px-Hillary_Rodham_Clinton.jpg)
:t
(evil mode off. Enjoy your day)
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Angus, you are having such a great kick out of emphasizing a dark side of the moon interpretation of lazs' posts, I'm not even going to bother. You're in the same sort of unilateral bind that keeps people from different cultures from understanding each other and seeing through each others' eyes.
I can't take you seriously when, knowing what lazs actualy means, I see you (erroneously) pretend you've got the right interpretation of him.
Royale is gushing with exactly the sort of womanly BS that Lazs points out. The argument in this case is almost perfectly analogous to his unrestrained irreverance for BS black martyrdom in the US.
If Lazs was a woman with as much brains as he has, he'd (she'd) point out exactly what's wrong with men's patriarchal monopole on everything from philosophy to blue-collar livelihood, how they should not have gotten the right to vote in practice, but in theory do deserve no less rights and freedoms as women.
Or maybe he'd write something pretty similar to Rand's stuff. What would Rand say to some goody two shoes marshmallow like Royal?
As I said before and you tip toed around to continue your faulty argument, women by and large are conditioned against the quitessential qualities of life that lazs champions, a prime example being unbriddled individualism.
Being so far down that path, it makes the opposite side of the issue that much more wrong to someone like him (and polarizes people's response to him and/or his ideas), and it justifies saying that a group which would pretty much reverse everything he stands for should have a restraining order, which in the case of government, means voting, since those people opposite him will vote to not only satisfy their needs but inherently damage his, or worse.
The problem isn't inherent to women but to their conditioning via education and social status quos. The vote lazs (starting to speak for him a lot, but I'm pretty sure I've got this right) wants to deny isn't of women, but of womanly people too lacking in individuality, in self-sufficiency, in ruggedness, etc.
Rolex, this ties in to what you're saying: women weren't well suited to voting at the time because they were too uneducated. Isn't someone ill-educated no better than someone not educated at all? Someone conditioned to live without thinking for themselves is not who the founders intended americans to be, not those whose votes they intended to further their vision.
There is definitely a tint to lazs' point of view on most things, but it should be a no brainer to ignore the personal artifacts in the stream of arguments. Obviously you don't think so, and can't help but single out those personality quirks rather than the real substance of the arguments.
You're like Zulu and Beetle, except instead of braindead anti-american trolling (actualy Zulu was just pure gibberish) or anti-gun/anti-american sniping, you're sniping at lazs' peculiarities.
I think it's stupid, if for no better reason, because 1) he's factualy correct if you take the arguments objectively and impartialy, and 2) he's a specimen too rare to let go extinct.
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Wow Moot...it seems you have a nasty crush on lazs.
I'm curious...just where is he factually correct? Is he factually correct when he says "I simply feel that they should not vote. I would like to convince them not to based on logic.. they are incapable and it seems like they should understand that and stop doing it."
Women are not capable of logic?
Angus is spot on when he made the Maggie Thatcher remark.
What about this: "It is merely my opinion that they should not vote...or... they should vote as some man tells em to."
He says it is his opinion...where are the facts?
Please show me.
I find it funny that you slam Angus for attacking poor poor lazs...when lazs is doing a fine job of insulting our female posters with his rhetorical biker drivel.
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Originally posted by Tigeress
With all due respect:
You guys are being called on this... I find this kind of posting to be very disturbing and insulting and offensive... even in jest.
TIGERESS
My statement was not in jest.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
My statement was not in jest.
So noted Mr Bailey. Fortunately, my self-esteem does not depend on men with such opinions. :)
I vote; and often. :rofl :rofl :rofl
The power of thought and intellect is mighter that the fist or bullet
Given that as an axion, could that be the reason men have historically supressed and repressed women?
And oh how superior of men to do so! HAHAHAHAHA
Sure we are not as agressive and physically powerful... yawn
Men get that from testostrone... big deal.
A real man doesn't have to suppress and repress a woman to feed his ego.
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by Tigeress
So noted Mr Bailey. Fortunately, my self-esteem does not depend on men with such opinions. :)
I vote; and often. :rofl :rofl :rofl
TIGERESS
Bully for you. Statistically, and from my experience, you are a liberal who wants to take my money and give it to people who don't want to work. You base very little of your political views in logic, you just want to feel good about yourself by taxing me and giving it to the "less fortunate."
You want to tell me how to live my life.
Professionally, if you are in management, you are a poor leader and make poor decisions. If you are a sales person or trying to get what you want in the office(and reasonably attractive), you will use your femininity in an effort to close deals with men but cry sexual harrassment the moment it suits you.
I have no use for you in the office beyond clerical support. Even then, I'd be begging for a problem. I'd rather never hire a woman and thus never expose my company to baseless lawsuits simply because a woman wanted revenge for some imagined slight.
no, thank you.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Bully for you. Statistically, and from my experience, you are a liberal who wants to take my money and give it to people who don't want to work. You base very little of your political views in logic, you just want to feel good about yourself by taxing me and giving it to the "less fortunate."
You want to tell me how to live my life.
Professionally, if you are in management, you are a poor leader and make poor decisions. If you are a sales person or trying to get what you want in the office(and reasonably attractive), you will use your femininity in an effort to close deals with men but cry sexual harrassment the moment it suits you.
I have no use for you in the office beyond clerical support. Even then, I'd be begging for a problem. I'd rather never hire a woman and thus never expose my company to baseless lawsuits simply because a woman wanted revenge for some imagined slight.
no, thank you.
I would definately not hire you based on what you just said! hahahaha
A closed mind is a limited mind. No thanks... move along. :rofl
However, you do earn points for being honest about your points of view. ;)
My voting record is mine as an individual. I am a moderate; not too far to the right, not too far to the left. I think both left and right wing extremists and religous extremists are all a pack of wingnuts.
I am an engineer and a team player... I am more interested in focusing my efforts on helping my company gain market share than proving I am "better" than the next engineer. I don't need that kind of ego boosting.
That is to say, I would rather we all win the war as a team working hand in hand as a team. I'm not that interested in dominating a person thus I don't measure myself based on personal preoccupation with pwnage of a particular person.
I am on the interviewing team at work and have veto power on all prospective engineering interviewees. I earned that veto power based on an ability to size up a person's likelihood to produce more than they cost and additionally, their likelihood to play well in the sandbox with the team.
I fly Aces High because I love to fly and love the challange of the learning curve... and because I enjoy people who have their s*it together and are fun to be around.
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Bully for you. Statistically, and from my experience, you are a liberal who wants to take my money and give it to people who don't want to work. You base very little of your political views in logic, you just want to feel good about yourself by taxing me and giving it to the "less fortunate."
You want to tell me how to live my life.
Professionally, if you are in management, you are a poor leader and make poor decisions. If you are a sales person or trying to get what you want in the office(and reasonably attractive), you will use your femininity in an effort to close deals with men but cry sexual harrassment the moment it suits you.
I have no use for you in the office beyond clerical support. Even then, I'd be begging for a problem. I'd rather never hire a woman and thus never expose my company to baseless lawsuits simply because a woman wanted revenge for some imagined slight.
no, thank you.
Good lord. You cannot be serious? This thread is turning into the "How lazs are you?" thread. Pathetic copy cat b/s.
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Originally posted by Angus
And then I'd love to see you tell THIS ONE about her incapability regarding basing things on logic:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Thatcher-loc.jpg/210px-Thatcher-loc.jpg)
She *rocked*. Nobody is able to tell here about incapability regarding logic based decisions.
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Originally posted by texasmom
She *rocked*. Nobody is able to tell here about incapability regarding logic based decisions.
I agree TxMom. I often think that when a guy is over the top anti-female that it's likely due to their secret little "MO"'ness showing. :P
Fortunately, Gynophobia (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gynophobia) is a treatable condition, otherwise. :aok
TIGERESS
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gee moot... you are kinda spoiling it but... you are essentially correct about how I feel...
If I were in charge... women would have more rights than they do now but... barring the rare thatcher type... most (generalizing again) would have no idea what to do with the rights I would give them and would do their level best, along with a lot of "men" on this board to trade those rights in for some more security.
My opinion remains that, in general, they should not vote. I have no say in if they can or not but it is not a human right... there is no god given right to vote... It is something that governments decide. Not me.
men should not hit women and they should hold open the door for em and they should be polite to em and they should offer up their seat on public transportation. Men should use their superior aggressiveness and strength to protect women and women... in turn... should not try to restrict men from having the tools to do these things.
I believe that women, in general, are incapable of getting the last part. This makes their voting a dangerous proposition.
I can not stop them from voting but I do try to convince as many as possible to refrain from doing so or to at least ask some real man how to.
as for men here imitating me? how so? that would be the same as saying you estrogen charged men here are all imitaiting each other... my take is tho...
That you talk like women because you have spent so much time talking like that to women in order to get laid that you simply have forgotten what you really are... you are actually starting to believe the act. Course... some of you are simply not very manly in the first place so it is just a hormonal thing..
lazs
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Originally posted by Tigeress
I would definately not hire you based on what you just said! hahahaha
A closed mind is a limited mind. No thanks... move along. :rofl
However, you do earn points for being honest about your points of view. ;)
My voting record is mine as an individual. I am a moderate; not too far to the right, not too far to the left. I think both left and right wing extremists and religous extremists are all a pack of wingnuts.
I am an engineer and a team player... I am more interested in focusing my efforts on helping my company gain market share than proving I am "better" than the next engineer. I don't need that kind of ego boosting.
That is to say, I would rather we all win the war as a team working hand in hand as a team. I'm not that interested in dominating a person thus I don't measure myself based on personal preoccupation with pwnage of a particular person.
I am on the interviewing team at work and have veto power on all prospective engineering interviewees. I earned that veto power based on an ability to size up a person's likelihood to produce more than they cost and additionally, their likelihood to play well in the sandbox with the team.
I fly Aces High because I love to fly and love the challange of the learning curve... and because I enjoy people who have their s*it together and are fun to be around.
TIGERESS
It would be refreshing and exciting to know you professionally if you are indeed an exception(there are always exceptions) to the rule(at least as far as I have experienced). I have not been fortunate enough to know someone like you.
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Originally posted by Curval
Good lord. You cannot be serious? This thread is turning into the "How lazs are you?" thread. Pathetic copy cat b/s.
Somehow Lazs is the only one who can have an opinion such as this?
Copy cat? What's next? Neener neener?
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Originally posted by lazs2
gee moot... you are kinda spoiling it but... you are essentially correct about how I feel...
If I were in charge... women would have more rights than they do now but... barring the rare thatcher type... most (generalizing again) would have no idea what to do with the rights I would give them and would do their level best, along with a lot of "men" on this board to trade those rights in for some more security.
My opinion remains that, in general, they should not vote. I have no say in if they can or not but it is not a human right... there is no god given right to vote... It is something that governments decide. Not me.
men should not hit women and they should hold open the door for em and they should be polite to em and they should offer up their seat on public transportation. Men should use their superior aggressiveness and strength to protect women and women... in turn... should not try to restrict men from having the tools to do these things.
I believe that women, in general, are incapable of getting the last part. This makes their voting a dangerous proposition.
I can not stop them from voting but I do try to convince as many as possible to refrain from doing so or to at least ask some real man how to.
as for men here imitating me? how so? that would be the same as saying you estrogen charged men here are all imitaiting each other... my take is tho...
That you talk like women because you have spent so much time talking like that to women in order to get laid that you simply have forgotten what you really are... you are actually starting to believe the act. Course... some of you are simply not very manly in the first place so it is just a hormonal thing..
lazs
Lazs dear... with all due respect, men of your ilk would be the last ones I would solicit for opinions as to who the best canidate might be for a particular office in government. No offense intended...
TIGERESS
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I am certain that is the case. I would still try to reason with you tho. I would also point out that you saying so pretty much proves what I have said... well....maybe more what moot said I said but... what the heck... close enough.
lazs
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Somehow Lazs is the only one who can have an opinion such as this?
Copy cat? What's next? Neener neener?
Pfffft.
I'll bet your wife would give you one heck of a smack down if she read what you wrote....as well she should.
Lazs' attitudes originate from his life as a biker and the biker mentality towards women. Combine this with his love of firearms and "voila" you have the lazs we see today writing about women in politics and how they vote against his "preciouses" and how they really should not have the right to vote.
Yours appear to be just internet tough guy mimicking. You have a crush on lazs as a few others here have also. The first step would be to admit your problem.
:)
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Originally posted by Curval
Lazs' attitudes originate from his life as a biker and the biker mentality towards women. Combine this with his love of firearms and "voila" you have the lazs we see today writing about women in politics and how they vote against his "preciouses" and how they really should not have the right to vote.
He just needs an hug, and it will be ok.
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Originally posted by lazs2
I am certain that is the case. I would still try to reason with you tho. I would also point out that you saying so pretty much proves what I have said... well....maybe more what moot said I said but... what the heck... close enough.
lazs
I discuss politics with, and listen to, a number of my co-workers who are mostly men. I determine for myself whether they know what they are talking about... or not. There are people who are numbies and people who know their stuff.
I don't have Androphobia and also I don't assume that every other woman has her s*it together.
But with that said, I don't view other women I don't personally know as potentially dangerous to me physically... and I view unknown men with some justifiable trepidation in that regards... till I get to know them better.
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
It would be refreshing and exciting to know you professionally if you are indeed an exception(there are always exceptions) to the rule(at least as far as I have experienced). I have not been fortunate enough to know someone like you.
My gut instincts... here in this forum, in-game, and on the squad forum, is that you are most probably... a likeable person and someone probably worthy of my personal respect... and further, that it is likely that you are fun to be around.
I look forward to getting to know you better.
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by Curval
Pfffft.
Yours appear to be just internet tough guy mimicking. You have a crush on lazs as a few others here have also. The first step would be to admit your problem.
:)
I think you're just jealous, being the emasculated metrosexual that you are. Maybe it's you that has the crush on Lazs, hoping that your can wash away some of the womanly affectations you've acquired over the years. Although Lazs and I share some common interests(firearms, hotrods, virtually slapping around girlymen like you on this board) I don't have a biker past.
Yup, I think you probably want to date Lazs, this would explain your fixation with him. I can't speak for his preferences, you should ask him directly.
As for the internet tough guy part; well the statement is simply nonsensical in that I haven't made any reference to me somehow being able to "beat up" someone else and this is almost exclusively how the term is used. Again I think it's seriously just your own realization that you have major shortcomings in the masculinity department and you compensate for your womanly disposition by insulting others. It's a common practice, I hear.
Good luck in your poofter life. Oh ya, before I forget: Neener neener.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
I think you're just jealous, being the emasculated metrosexual that you are. Maybe it's you that has the crush on Lazs, hoping that your can wash away some of the womanly affectations you've acquired over the years. Although Lazs and I share some common interests(firearms, hotrods, virtually slapping around girlymen like you on this board) I don't have a biker past.
Yup, I think you probably want to date Lazs, this would explain your fixation with him. I can't speak for his preferences, you should ask him directly.
As for the internet tough guy part; well the statement is simply nonsensical in that I haven't made any reference to me somehow being able to "beat up" someone else and this is almost exclusively how the term is used. Again I think it's seriously just your own realization that you have major shortcomings in the masculinity department and you compensate for your womanly disposition by insulting others. It's a common practice, I hear.
Good luck in your poofter life. Oh ya, before I forget: Neener neener.
You are a bit of a teaser aren't you! hahahahahaha I bet you were a terror to your sibs growing up, huh? :rofl
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Whoo-hoo on fire!.
And it has nothing to do with the subject of women being equal to men, just the branding point of me poking poor Lazs with a red hot metal.
"Angus, you are having such a great kick out of emphasizing a dark side of the moon interpretation of lazs' posts, I'm not even going to bother. You're in the same sort of unilateral bind that keeps people from different cultures from understanding each other and seeing through each others' eyes."
I will emhasize a blatant dark side when I see one. I will compare this "culture understanding" thing you refer too as complete arrogance to what Lazs has been so loud about in the forums, - which is the issue of freedom. The guy with all those claims of gun owning freedom, freedom against the law (big things like wearing safety belts), freedom to have free business taking the planet wherever due to the freedom needed for the quick profit for ...some. And there it exposed. The freedom is not for women, because they are inferior in thought!
Well, maybe Lazs only knows "M.S. South Carolina" types, or does not consider Homo Sapiens (Sapiens) females as "Sapiens", but I really cannot sit idly by and look at him spread more of that crap.
And Moot, - call me uniliteral for not undertanding this term (as well as after it got emphasized). Okay, look again at Lazs:
"men should not hit women and they should hold open the door for em and they should be polite to em and they should offer up their seat on public transportation. Men should use their superior aggressiveness and strength to protect women and women... in turn... should not try to restrict men from having the tools to do these things."
Nice stuff you would have seen in USA mags in the 50's. We have a nice pinup in the style on the fridge.
"I believe that women, in general, are incapable of getting the last part. This makes their voting a dangerous proposition."
That was probably a weapon related thing, rather than a muscle restraint?
Anyway, you would presume the strength necessary is needed for assault (by men then) or natural causes?
"I can not stop them from voting but I do try to convince as many as possible to refrain from doing so or to at least ask some real man how to."
The real killer. Since they can't know well enough how to vote, how can they identify a real man? I mean, I don't even know how Lazs looks!!!
Come on, that last sentence from Lazs on women, is a total sig material.
"men should not hit women and they should hold open the door for em and they should be polite to em and they should offer up their seat on public transportation. Men should use their superior aggressiveness and strength to protect women and women... in turn... should not try to restrict men from having the tools to do these things.
I believe that women, in general, are incapable of getting the last part. This makes their voting a dangerous proposition.
I can not stop them from voting but I do try to convince as many as possible to refrain from doing so or to at least ask some real man how to."
hehe
:t
(Naughty mode on. It's not so...girly)
p.s. Tigeress. You have guts. You should IMHO been allowed to vote, while Lazs, due to his tunnel vision should take and pass a test before.
(:t mode still on)
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One of my favorite childhood poems...
Mondays child is fair of face,
Tuesdays child is full of grace,
Wednesdays child is full of woe,
Thursdays child has far to go,
Fridays child is loving and giving,
Saturdays child works hard for his living,
And the child that is born on the Sabbath day
Is bonny and blithe, and good and gay.
I suspect Lazs was born on a Thursday. :rofl :rofl
I honestly can not help but think of you as a little boy.
I myself, for better or worse, am a Fridays child.
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
I think you're just jealous, being the emasculated metrosexual that you are. Maybe it's you that has the crush on Lazs, hoping that your can wash away some of the womanly affectations you've acquired over the years. Although Lazs and I share some common interests(firearms, hotrods, virtually slapping around girlymen like you on this board) I don't have a biker past.
Yup, I think you probably want to date Lazs, this would explain your fixation with him. I can't speak for his preferences, you should ask him directly.
wow...I only said you had a crush on lazs...but it took two paragraphs for you to say virtually the same thing and try and make me seem like the one with the crush.
So original. Sort of an "I know you are but what am I?" approach. Very manly.
:aok :rofl
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
"the emasculated metrosexual that you are"
"hoping that your can wash away some of the womanly affectations you've acquired over the years."
"girlymen like you on this board"
I think it's seriously just your own realization that you have major shortcomings in the masculinity department and you compensate for your womanly disposition by insulting others.
"Good luck in your poofter life
This one is the classic:
"you compensate for your womanly disposition by insulting others"
I said you had a crush on lazs and then go off on a rant with a whole bunch of insults.
I suppose that would indicate YOU are the one with a womanly disposition...your owns words.
:rofl
Now Steve, why don't you get your wife to have a good read of what you wrote...I notice you ignored my previous suggestion to do so. Yet you ignored it...wonder why that is? Hmmmm.
Maybe it is because you wouldn't want her to read...say...this: "I have not been fortunate enough to know someone like you" What, not even your wife??? The mother of your children?
Shame on you Steve...shame.
Also, you can't be a very bright person. You post in here under your real name and we all know where you live...it is just a TV documentary away to find out and yet here you are spelling out your demented view of women's role in the work-place.
Do you own your own business? Or do you work for someone?
Either way...there's an old expression: "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned."
If I were you I wouldn't be advertising the fact that you would obviously willingly turn away a female job applicant because of your twisted generalisations about "how they are".
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Originally posted by lazs2
well... let me ask you...
Do you think the people are more or less free since we let women vote?
Would you like to live your life as your mom/wife/girlfriend believes you should?
lazs
Causation, Correlation or Coincidence. No one has yet answered Lazs's question. So I give you three simple choices.
Since women have gained the right to vote, we have less freedoms. This is because of ____________.
A.) Causation
B.) Correlation
C.) Coincidence
Fill in the blank.
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Lazs:
"Do you think the people are more or less free since we let women vote?"
If you count the women in which are after all, half the people, then what can you say. 50% of the population got increased rights.
And "we" are the guys. Scuse me, I'll still consider myself manly enough, but I still don't see this view as manly, on the opposite quite not.
I look at countries with the women voting as more free, and oddly enough, those seem to be the ones with less trouble and better life.
So, maybe time to ban males from the vote :D
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Originally posted by Curval
I really can't come up with anything intelligent to say so I'll just regurgitate what you wrote Steve, since you are so much more clever than I could ever hope to be.
I know, Curval.
I didn't ignore your request to have my wife read it. As it happens, she was in my office to ask me something and read my posts... and agreed. I'd have you ask the same of your wife, but I am not certain you are married and don't care to know. A poof like you is probably dominated by any skirts in his life, whether there are male or female parts underneath.
As a small business owner, I do not fall under the liberal insanity we call affirmative action so I can turn away anyone I want.
I post my real name because I don't feel any need to hide behind my monitor. My views, while they may seem obscene to leftist whackjobs such as yourself, are shared by many thoughtful people, to one degree or another. Were we to meet up in person, I'd happily give you my views, then patiently listen, while trying to stay awake, at the liberal puke you consider admonition of my views. If we were breaking bread,(I know you'd never sit at a table with me so save it), I'd try not to choke as you spewed your illogical leftist talking points.
I'd try my very best effort to be civil in the face of such illogical drivel. :aok
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Originally posted by lazs2
well... let me ask you...
Do you think the people are more or less free since we let women vote?
Would you like to live your life as your mom/wife/girlfriend believes you should?
lazs
My god man. Do you see conspiracy behind every door?
No one gives a shii'te about what you do up in the hills.
:noid
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Originally posted by moot
That's easily the most useless post of yours I've seen yet, Holden. Have fun being thick with Lazs Angus.
Heavens to Betsy... I would hate to think that anything I posted on a WWII flight simulation BBS was useless...
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
I know, Curval.
I didn't ignore your request to have my wife read it. As it happens, she was in my office to ask me something and read my posts... and agreed. I'd have you ask the same of your wife, but I am not certain you are married and don't care to know. A poof like you is probably dominated by any skirts in his life, whether there are male or female parts underneath.
As a small business owner, I do not fall under the liberal insanity we call affirmative action so I can turn away anyone I want.
I post my real name because I don't feel any need to hide behind my monitor. My views, while they may seem obscene to leftist whackjobs such as yourself, are shared by many thoughtful people, to one degree or another. Were we to meet up in person, I'd happily give you my views, then patiently listen, while trying to stay awake, at the liberal puke you consider admonition of my views. If we were breaking bread,(I know you'd never sit at a table with me so save it), I'd try not to choke as you spewed your illogical leftist talking points.
I'd try my very best effort to be civil in the face of such illogical drivel. :aok
lol
You gave Serenity so much ***** for lying and frankly you are just as bad.
I don't believe for ONE SECOND your wife agrees with you. You sir are full of it. Don't bother trying to prove it. Did she accept that you have just met one woman (online) that is the exception to your kooky views...and it wasn't her? I HIGHLY doubt that.
You are also once again lashing out with all kinds of insults...still got that womanly disposition I guess. Your main insult is suggesting I am a liberal and left-wing which is interesting. I've posted on this board enough for you to make that general assumption, which seems to be what you do best, but yet you don't know if I'm even married, despite posting numerous times about my wife and 3 children.
You know what though...you sound more and more like the person who is the object of your cute little crush (liberal this..left wing that), although the spittle on the monitor way of conveying your feeling aren't his style. You should work on that if you want to be more like him.
Now, as to your affirmation that as a small business owner you do not "fall under the liberal insanity we call affirmative action so I can turn away anyone I want" I'm really not so sure about that. This isn't affirmative action we are talking about numnuts...it's called sexual discrimmination. I don't know, or care, what state you live in but I'm willing to bet your comments would raise the eyebrows of your local Chamber of Commerce.
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Well, maybe he's married to ms. S-Carolina :D
I could quote what the female household said about Laz's and Bailey's posts, but it would get the thread locked I'm afraid ...
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tigress... I don't really think I have far to go in comparison to the womenly and dishonest men you are around.
The fact is that I like women and... even tho I realize that they are rarely honest with me.. I am always honest with them. My girlfriend would agree with the above statement and I would allow her to read anything I have said in this thread. I would not hide how I feel about these things.
Now take curval... there is the type you claim to like... he has given himself away... he says to one guy that they wouldn't dare say these things to their wife or... get "smacked" what he means is that he wouldn't dare to be honest with a woman... who do you trust more?
I have had many women say that they didn't agree with me but all say that they trust me... when the chips are down.. they trust me more than the simpering girlymen who live a lie... who deny their own masculinity.
And why not? I won't lie to em.. It is not worth it to me.. it has taken me decades to realize it is a losing proposition and the cause of almost all the tension between the sexes..
The pretending that "everyone is equal" in order to get something out of it.
No one will try to answer my questions.. moray does his usual... "you are too dumb to understand" instead of an answer but....
moray has hit upon a truth... quite by accident and most assuredly unintended but a truth none the less... and that is that "no one cares what you do up in the hills" and that is the truth of it... if you want to escape womanly socialism you need to get away from large groups of people all acting like your freedom is a personal insult to them. If they don't see you... you don't exist to them.
As for curvals crush on me... I have noticed it for quite some time and... while I understand it... and am flattered by it... I am afraid that I simply am not attracted to him in that way. maybe it is genetics or maybe the way I was raised or maybe moray knows the reason.. maybe it is global warming... it matters not to me the reason tho.... at this point in time... I am sorry but I can't reciprocate.
not that there is anything wrong with that......
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
Now take curval... there is the type you claim to like... he has given himself away... he says to one guy that they wouldn't dare say these things to their wife or... get "smacked" what he means is that he wouldn't dare to be honest with a woman... who do you trust more?
Please don't put words into my "mouth" lazs. I do NOT mean that at all.
I do suspect that Steve is the guy who is not being honest.
In one sentance he says that Tigress is the only female he has come across with the attitude she has.....then claims his wife is fine with what he says about women.
So, either he is lying to Tigress...or his wife....or us.
Who *should* Tigress trust more?
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Cool down and look here:
( a woman who doesn't have voting rights along with some others because she is a woman....)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Woman_walking_in_Afghanistan.jpg)
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Originally posted by Angus
Cool down and look here:
mmm... uh... how does she see wtf she's going?
and I bet wrapped up like that, in the heat, she probably smells like "moldy feet wrapped in bacon".
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Curval, I have a pretty eccentric personal position on a lot of things, but I mainly keep it to myself so as to make as little waves with others as I can. In general, I don't like conflicts, despite being a sucker for any sort of healthy competition, but when I see any of my eccentric ideas show up in other people's own arguments, I won't hold back to defend them. They are rare and I think they should get enough proper defense from improper refutals such as "it's too eccentric so wrong inherently" to offset such things consequential to their uncommonness.
Case in point, I think people in general don't outgrow their instinctive (and stupid; I'm going to keep this brief) affections, and they replicate their emotions on that same pattern from very early age throughout their lives, to varying degrees.
Most people's ethics and emotions systems are just outgrowths of that primal good/evil systematic, and I think it is not (what's the word?) on par with human intellectual potential. I think it's at least very flawed rationaly, and IMO basic and mediocre on an evolutionary scale.
By extension I think most people never really, deeply become aware of themselves. They never truly become conscious but just muck about in a stagnating pool of repetitive occurences surrounded by a fog in their lack of lucidity. They never really stand alone and form their own intentions as they would have if they were the only person alive on the planet or in the universe.
I could go on with an A to Z demonstration supported by various examples, but that's the gist of it.
My post to Angus reads like a slam because of a number of things: Angus' apparent attitude pisses me off the same way Beetle's did, Lazs' point of view isn't getting through and a debate between two pretty lucid (well, almost, Angus) people stays stuck in the mud, I mostly agree with lazs' point so that I'm effectively defending my own point of view when clearing up his, and again I'm just easily stirred up by people who'll prance around about something they've incorrectly taken for granted as false.
I've had to deal with a ****load of people with the latter behavior and I can't stand it. They are either stupid or purposedly pretending to be.
The gist of why I think Lazs is basicaly right is in my previous reply to Rolex.
I don't recall the specifics, but I had previously been more of the opinion of Angus' until lazs agreed with me that women (and men, no sexism here) could be a lot more if they weren't conditioned to be as they are. I think a lot of progress has been made already, though, e.g. women are getting closer to being equal to men professionaly. There is no reason they shouldn't be.
As it is though, there is still a reason to accurately argue they are not reasonable enough about certain things, which to someone like lazs is beyond the tolerance threshold that arbitrarily weighs whether they're worth the grief of their votes' effect on others (in lazs' case, lazs) or not.
I've personaly seen some old girlfriends from years past, and seeing them still as childishly girly in adult matters such as politics left me speechless. The sort of people who, like lazs repeats over and over on this forum, but who actualy exist in large quantities and that you'd have recognized on your own and as described even if you'd never read any AH BB post by lazs, actualy want and insist on controling what you do.. (shades of parents insisting on kids doing something they don't want to do - doesn't it seem like certain people just imitate that just for the sake of it, as though imitating it puts them in the parents' position/seemingly validates their present self-image as such?)
And while I'm at it, I don't think women should have their vote privileges revoked. I think their conditioning as inferior (besides the obvious genetic dispositions to frailer bodies) is what should be corrected.
Lazs, the same way you recognized negroes as no less human than others, the same way you recognize the absurdity of illegal immigrant turkey chases when it would suffice to enforce current laws and penalize fraudulent employers - get to the root of the problem, so you should recognize homo sapiens sapiens females as sporting the same central nervous system hardware and therefore having no handicap barring them from leading the same healthy and uncompromisingly free and happy life you and I and countless other people know and want for ourselves.
Holden, every other post by you I've read either was (as far as I can remember) very funny or had something very interesting in or about it.
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Hmm.
If you want to keep women and men doing what each is best at (since I never said that despite they should have the same rights they are still not absolutely the same), - I think it's best to dump old bonds and let things evolve. One old bond of even western countries was voting and administration, - which was actually much more liberal in Viking times.
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I just edited the above post after you posted.
I don't see what you're getting at in your last post.
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Originally posted by Curval
In one sentance he says that Tigress is the only female he has come across with the attitude she has.....then claims his wife is fine with what he says about women.
So, either he is lying to Tigress...or his wife....or us.
Or maybe you are having comprehension problems... again. I was discussing knowing Tigress professionally, I never mentioned anything about personal life. I have never worked in the professional world with my wife. Here's the quote below:
It would be refreshing and exciting to know you professionally
You should stop typing. Each time yo do you reveal your poor grasp of the written word
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The argument to remove women's right to vote is because they have less analytical abilities than men. Assuming this is true, than the Republic is better served by having decisions made by a more rational voting population.
The sales pitch, "sacrifice your rights and I promise to give you more freedom", is not new and by definition socialistic. But why stop at just women?
If the accepted premise that a more rational, analytical voting population leads to stronger republic -- than further restrictions on voting rights should be put in place to weed out less capable men.
By this logic property requirements should be re-instated, a post-graduate degree should be required, and being a non-debtor with a high networth would be advisible.
Freedom is best protected by the analytical, the aggressive, and the financially prudent. The ideal voting population for the Republic would be individuals of the investment class because the free market disproportionately rewards smart risk takers. Rhetoric aside, a man working for a wage, a man counting on a pension when he has become too old to provide value, has chosen some manner of paternalistic protection from an employer (career path, healthcare etc) as opposed to the investor.
A man with such dependencies on an external provider, can you trust him to always make decisions to protect your freedom? Ultimately he will fail and make decisions to protect his paternalistic provider, whether that be his employer, government, or religious establishment.
The issue to consider is, if women were removed from the voting pool, than each man's vote carries more value. But are many of these men really deserving of new power? Many are as myopic and illogical as the women just disenfranchised. Wage slaves easily bought and controlled, made to dance by the strings of pension and healthcare plans. Giving them more power would be illadvisible for the Republic.
The 2 safest courses of action are either to give voting rights to the widest majority possible and thus insulate the Republic from one group's poor analytical abilities through inertia, and trust that good ideas will win through debate.
Or restrict voting rights to a truly elite core citizens that have a demonstrated record of success in intellectual ability and enterprise. But drawing a line on only gender difference is simplistic and dangerous.
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A thread full of "macho's" with a lack of balls.
Funny to look at how the debate immediately seperates into Euros vs Americans.
And funny how little it rattles when claims as women's rights to vote come on the table.
Ladies?
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In other words you've got no answer to refute machos without balls. What does balls have to do with ethics anyway?
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OK, Angus...
There is both good and bad in each person. This is a fact.
We are all sisters and brothers sharing our existance on this planet.
I believe in acentuating the positive in people and giving them respect even if they act out. We all have problems...
Making broad based assumptions about anything is bound to be incorrect as much or more than it is correct, in the absence of true fact.
I had an interesting conversation with a particular guy in Europe who had never been to the USA... and was amused listening to this "expert" tell me all about "Americans". Such as... Americans are too stupid to be able to drive a stick shift... that is why they all drive automatics. I laughed all the way back to my hotel driving my rental car with it's stick shift. I figured why spoil his pretend world.
What I am reading on this thread is full of passion. That is a good thing.
WE... are all reading what each other has written... that can not help but bring us all closer together at some point.
I am sure Laz has a good heart. M00t, Steve, Curval, Angus Holden, Dread, and all the others are not statanic, quite the reverse. I believe them to all be good hearted men. Strongly opinionated perhaps... but thats ok. It is still a somewhat free country.
Collectively we are so much more powerful than N number of individuals.
The discussion I see, about women's suffrage, seems to be more about party lines and economic lines and educational lines than anything else.
M00t, you strike me as a very good guy. Perhaps you need to set your standards higher if you are dissasisfied with the type of women you have had relationships with. No kidding... I have never understood what men see in bimbo types. And yes.. contrary to so-called guy myth there are many different types of women... just as there are many different types of men.
I would personally be alone for the rest of my life than get into a relationship with the wrong man (for me) simply for the sake of not being alone. The right mate for each of us is always worth the wait... but we each also must measure up in return.
God Bless you all...
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Each time yo do you reveal your poor grasp of the written word
*snicker*
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Moot...I'll respond when I have more time to read your post. It looks interesting but just too much to get into right now.
Tigress, same applies to you. Nice post.
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curval...his point was that it was you who put words in his mouth... you assume that he doesn't have the balls to be honest with his wife... this would indicate that it way you who did not have the balls to be honest with women the way I see it...
hornet... no.. at least in my case, the arguement is not to remove womens right to vote because they lack analytical ability... not at all... it is because they lack the ability to see past the nest. they lack any ability to not trade security for freedom.. they are hardwired that way I believe but... it is obvious (by looking at your-0-peeeans) that men are capable of learning to act like women in this regard.
tigress.. thank you for being in the conversation.. what you say is very revealing.
all of us here are great guys for instance... just little children... some mothers son... not really bad guys... That is the problem... A lot of voting has to do with crime... women really have no clue when it comes to the criminal since... by and large.. in any important way.. they are not criminals... they don't see the men who are for what they are.
women are not stupid but they are hardwired to ignore mens failings. they don't see a scum of the earth sociopath who needs to be executed (unless he kills one of theirs)... they see some poor little boy who is really really really sorry he broke the cookie jar and just needs a hug.
they are not stupid but... they send letters to the death row inmates and marry them.. it is because they are incapable FOR WHATEVER REASON of understanding these men as other men do.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
curval...his point was that it was you who put words in his mouth... you assume that he doesn't have the balls to be honest with his wife... this would indicate that it way you who did not have the balls to be honest with women the way I see it...
Ummmm...can you try again, in English this time?
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Originally posted by lazs2
curval...his point was that it was you who put words in his mouth... you assume that he doesn't have the balls to be honest with his wife... this would indicate that it way you who did not have the balls to be honest with women the way I see it...
hornet... no.. at least in my case, the arguement is not to remove womens right to vote because they lack analytical ability... not at all... it is because they lack the ability to see past the nest. they lack any ability to not trade security for freedom.. they are hardwired that way I believe but... it is obvious (by looking at your-0-peeeans) that men are capable of learning to act like women in this regard.
tigress.. thank you for being in the conversation.. what you say is very revealing.
all of us here are great guys for instance... just little children... some mothers son... not really bad guys... That is the problem... A lot of voting has to do with crime... women really have no clue when it comes to the criminal since... by and large.. in any important way.. they are not criminals... they don't see the men who are for what they are.
women are not stupid but they are hardwired to ignore mens failings. they don't see a scum of the earth sociopath who needs to be executed (unless he kills one of theirs)... they see some poor little boy who is really really really sorry he broke the cookie jar and just needs a hug.
they are not stupid but... they send letters to the death row inmates and marry them.. it is because they are incapable FOR WHATEVER REASON of understanding these men as other men do.
lazs
"Men sexually molest babies and children and women."
Should all men be judged on the behavior of some men?
Should all women be judged on the behavior of some women?
One of my favorite quotes reads as follows...
"ALL GENERAL STATEMENTS ARE BAD."
Which in itself, IS a general statement; and if true, negates (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=negates) itself.
I learned a long time ago... broad based assumptions are boomarangs.
TIGERESS
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Thanks Curval. Hornet's post is good too, the end of it I agree with almost to a tee.
The first "way" in Lazs' post threw me off too, but it's probably a typo for 'was'.
Lazs, I don't think women are hardwired that way. Maybe hundreds or thousands of years of conditioning, but not hardwired. The brain's plasticity can definitely overcome something as basic as those mostly ill-adapted dovey patterns.
I have known and been with a number of girls and women who were no less feminine than most real classy supermodels, and yet were tough and rugged, very smart without any neurotics or over-intellectual eggheadisms. They had their flaws like most anyone else, but they were free of those immaturities and obsolete traditions. ( I could probably add something more intelligible, but it's been another 10h workday, and I've got 4.5 hours left as of right now to get some rest and start all over. :lol )
I am pretty sure there is a masculine analogous for women, I haven't given it much precise thought, though.
Tigress, thanks, and I agree with what you say, and I'd conclude that "I would personally be alone for the rest of my life than get into a relationship with the wrong man (for me) simply for the sake of not being alone. The right mate for each of us is always worth the wait... but we each also must measure up in return." too :)
Almost word for word.
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curval "Pfffft.
I'll bet your wife would give you one heck of a smack down if she read what you wrote....as well she should."
you bet that all women would act as yours would. I don't know about his but I would say and have, anything I have said here to my girlfriend. my point was that you wouldn't so you assume the same level of dishonesty in him.
moot... It seems like it would be a useful thing for women to be hardwired that way due to strength and hunting ability from the beggining.. it may not be true.. but.. it is a fact of life today.. I don't really care why it is.. I deal with the reality... it just seems logical that it is hardwired.
tigress... of course men are rapists and child molesters... they are also assailants and murderers and worse. it is in our genetics to be such. most are able to overcome it. you would be unwise tho... or simply a woman... to not think that we were all capable of at least some of those things.
The men here will know what I am talking about...you will not.
see how simple this is once you get to the point?
We can make this as complex as we want but the world is what it is... for whatever reason... men are men and women are women...
Trying to blur those lines is pointless to the discussion. Obviously.. there are exceptions to every generalization...that does not take away from the value of a good generalization tho.
It is by generalizing that we become good hunters or stay out of danger.
lazs
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and moot.. with all due respect... if you "know" women who act like men then I would say that you simply don't know them as well as you think you do.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
you bet that all women would act as yours would.
Mine has no reason to...and has never done so.
If I wrote what Steve did, in an effort to make myself look very manly and "lazs-like" on a BBS and she found out I would fully expect my wife to be pretty upset. I imagine she'd be wondering who the heck I was and probably re-examining the reasons she fell in love with me. A "smack down" can come in many different forms. I'm sure the first question she'd ask would be "Do you REALLY feel that way about women...including me?"
But, I don't have to worry about that.
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Lazs, we can argue, but I am certain that education in all its shapes and forms will determine all but a negligible portion of someone's psychology. There will be hardwired patterns of course, but they are negligible as relates to something as upper-minded, as conscious as relationships and their ethics, in the personal and general sense (a sticking point here is that some people do not do these consciously, which makes up-bringing more of a factor, in most people). I am pretty sure of this from the litterature I've come across in my school and personal studies, as well as in my personal experience.
You could very well breed a female baby to grow up into a total (negligible hardwired tendencies as I said) tommy boy of schwarzeneggerish barbarian proportions and qualities...
I know what you mean, and I know that what I've seen was genuine. And to tell the whole story, I was very disappointed when one of them just fell right back into the "womanly" habits... it was like she de-evolved. Much less ambitious, resilient.. less self-sufficient, less irreverent and much more traditional.
It is just a matter of will and discipline, of not going for the less reasoned path of least resistence of instincs.
Women who write to and marry death-row inmates are either stupid or more or less consciously choose to ignore the obvious red flags because their ethics system is flawed. Or they've thrown ethics out the window (too many rules and regulations, not enough self-indulgence and pleasurable payback) and short-circuited their satisfaction with the illusion that smiling and laughing is a good sign no matter (for example) how much blood is on the guy's hands.
I know what I saw and I will admit it is a very small proportion of all I've known. Surely negligible enough for you justifiably describe the overall behavioral trends as you do. I could say that men probably are just as condemnable on an absolute scale, but in my opinion, the true form of human accomplishment is favored by a lifestyle more like the primal man (hunting, taking the risks in the wild etc) than like the primal woman (staying home, protecting from rather than preparing for the worst, etc).
So it is more by circumstance than by nature that women, in my opinion, get the short end of the deal. Not short enough that lucidity and honest work can't overcome it though. A proper education should be enough (how's your grand-daughter coming along under your tutoring?). It is still a gamble though, unless you've got the odds on your side (psychiatric know-how, no excessive influence from outside, etc).
I'd go on but I'm really tired. :) Sorry if this post isn't clear but I'm just too beat up.
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Originally posted by Curval
I've been soundly defeated in the debate here, as I should have been, because I really don't have anything to say and have difficulty understanding what people are posting.
Yes, you should move along. You've established that you have really nothing to say except to claim others aren't being honest, without having any data/facts to support your assertion. You argue like a woman.
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Ironically, a woman recently said this:
If we took away women's right to vote, we'd never have to worry about another Democrat president. It's kind of a pipe dream, it's a personal fantasy of mine, but I don't think it's going to happen. And it is a good way of making the point that women are voting so stupidly, at least single women.
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Human beings collectively elevated themselves above the rest of the animal kingdom.
Man and Woman... together.
Both are humans... one being not much without the other.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions... but opinions are just that.
This is not a "You Tarzan; Me Jane" existence anymore.
We women are not going to loose the right to vote in this country... in spite of what any one person thinks. So opinions can flow back and forth with no net effect on the historical passage of the 19th Amendment.
Men and women are different... there are reasons for that.
I have known plenty of well educated and outspoken male bashing femininists... who are just as outspoken and compelling in their pronouncements as the arguments Laz makes.
With all due respect, I don't buy much of any of it... from either side.
The idea is to peacefully and harmoniously co-exist; not wage the battle of the sexes.
Far as I am concerned, there is not much more to be said on this thread that is not a repeat of what has already been said... on the issue of Women's Suffrage.
Men accusing other men of being "womanly" is smack talk that has been around since language developed.
Women accusing other women of being "mannish" is smack talk that has been around since language developed.
It is all smack talk... an attempt at manipulation and intimidation.
We Women Vote; get over it or go join the Taliban. :)
For a refresher on over the top male attitudes about women, go here...
Repression and Suppression of Women by Men of the Taliban (http://www.rawa.org/rules.htm)
Men of the Taliban are nothing but animals. Go kill another animal with your bare hands and rip its flesh with your teeth.
Oh and be sure to growl a lot while you do it. :rofl
This is a civilized society which has no place in it for animals like you.
May men of the ilk of the Taliban come back as male Black Widow spiders... after copulation, the female kills and eats the male which has no further purpose to exist. hahahahaha!!!
To Men of the Taliban, and I mean this in the kindest way...
"Don't just go to hell... go to hell Now!" hahahahaha :rofl
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Yes, you should move along. You've established that you have really nothing to say except to claim others aren't being honest, without having any data/facts to support your assertion. You argue like a woman.
What data or facts did you present? None.
You simply blathered out your taliban-like feelings about women, which as already pointed out is pretty dumb considering you have provided evidence, in writing, that you won't hire women simply because they are...women...and in your opinion not good enough to work for you.
I would love to watch you debate against some of the female CEOs and CFOs I deal with almost daily. You'd probably end up ranting on about how liberal or left wing they are, even though they head up large companies because ranting and insulting seems to be your forte, despite the fact that you claim that to be a womanly trait.
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Hehe, you should see a debate between me and my wife, - if I want to win, I will have to keep with subjects I know more off. Yet if we disagree with something left to opinion, we will part peacefully, with an unsolved debate.
Well, She's a lawyer, I', a farmer. I beat her in chess, she beats me in scrabble. She does the tax reports, I do the plumming. We do the carpentry, planning, designing, kids raising, car fixings and all sorts of things together.
We are a team. I am bigger and stronger. She is more nimble and accurate. Not sure who is smarter, but she has much more potential in educating herself, while I am the one who rather lag, and then get a flashingly good idea.
Works beautifully. And while I think she should be able to vote, I am happy to announce that she thinks the same of me :)
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curval... you are still missing the point... you have no idea if steve says these things to his wife... you know that you would be frieghtened to tho and expect to be "smacked" so you project your dishonesty and fear onto him.
moot.. I may have to disagree with you and tigress on the whole "civilized" and "educated" thing... surely, the ones who lack education and/or were brought up on meaner streets are closer to feral but... we all are. And... I don't believe that man is the only animal on the planet that lacks hardwired instincts.
men act like men because that is what they are... they can cover it up or re-train but... they always revert under stress.. if they don't die first. It is one of the most common themes in literature for good reason... it is true...
I believe that our civilization is a thin veneer.. I point to riots and road rage and school shootings as proof... where education and upbringing can't beat out instinct and hardwiring.
Women are the same.. they are hardwired with a layer of civilization and now.. some feminism and indocrtinization from education... in the end tho... they are nest builders wanting security for their offspring and a strong mate with good genetics.. they aren't even hardwired to be manogamous.. they are hardwired to seek out new genetic material every 4 or 5 years or so... and they don't even know why...
No... men and women are different.. it has nothing to do with the way we are raised... it is the opposite in fact.... we are raised differently because we are different. You can't force a woman or raise a woman to be a man... she will revert to nature.. to... her hardwiring. Same for men.
watch a riot some time and don't say that you could never go that feral... you are only an incident.. only a shortage away from it. If you can't go feral you will die. To say that you are different than the thousands of us in riots is an odd form of denial.. of course we would all do that if we were starving or our family were.
lazs
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Originally posted by Angus
Hehe, you should see a debate between me and my wife, - if I want to win, I will have to keep with subjects I know more off. Yet if we disagree with something left to opinion, we will part peacefully, with an unsolved debate.
Well, She's a lawyer, I', a farmer. I beat her in chess, she beats me in scrabble. She does the tax reports, I do the plumming. We do the carpentry, planning, designing, kids raising, car fixings and all sorts of things together.
We are a team. I am bigger and stronger. She is more nimble and accurate. Not sure who is smarter, but she has much more potential in educating herself, while I am the one who rather lag, and then get a flashingly good idea.
Works beautifully. And while I think she should be able to vote, I am happy to announce that she thinks the same of me :)
Awesome! That's what I'm talkin 'bout! :aok
There are few things more admirable than a man with his self-confidence and self-esteem and self-security intact who does not have a need to put women down in order to feel manly.
An example of a Real Man... not an insecure Taliban animal.
TIGERESS
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Steve had no hard evidence whatsoever to suggest that Serenity was lying in his recent post but everyone accepted the guy was full of it.
I don't have any to suggest he discussed his feelings about women in the workplace with his wife but it just smells bad....as bad as Serenity's story.
I am not frightened to tell my wife anything lazs....that is the point you are missing. In order for your logic to work I would have to be the type of person who would post such blantant nonsense in an effort to look all manly.
I don't therefore your point is moot.
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Oh... and I have never liked working with women... I avoid it if I can. the more you work around them the more you realize that they have nothing in common with you... don't believe the same basic things.. they may or may not be "good" workers but being around em is unpleasant and confusing.
I am not speaking of office work here because I have rarely been in those situations... even today... my workplace is isolated and all men. I have worked with a woman pipefitter and painter and operator and... it all started out ok but their nature came through... just as mine does and... a lot of hard feelings on both sides... I have seen every single one of em crying for instance... I don't want to work with people who will be crying. work itself is bad enough.
A pipe fitter crying... she was 200 lbs and tough but... reverted.. she was also a pain and difficult for me to deal with... I would grab the heavy items and that would offend her... I was stronger and pointed that out. she thought her education and training trumped her being tho and ended up hurting her back because she wanted to be "equal" a stupid and worthless and dangerous bit of indoctrinization so far as I am concerned.
Worse... now... like many minorities... you are opening yourself up for a whole new world of 1984 like socialism if you hire or work with em...anything you say or do can be and....likely will at some point... be used against you... why even have em around? not worth the risk.
media will have women beating up men... reality has women not compete in these things with men. many here are unable to see that even tho it is right in front of you... why do you not see women in football with the men or in the boxing or anything goes fighting matches... you switch from one channel where some 98 lb girl is whupping the crap out of 6 guys and then switch to a show where real people are fighting or playing a sport and there is no 98 lb woman... yet you don't connect.
lazs
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curval.. soooo...is it you who has become womanly enough to understand women or is it her that has become mannish enough to not act like a woman?
That would be the only reason that you would never have a clash with basic male and female traits. Do you weep with her durring "those times" do you not be loutish and try to solve her problem when all she wants is a hug? are you careful to wear the right clothes and complement her on hers?
Do you understand that she may be looking for new genetic material for breeding?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
curval... you are still missing the point... you have no idea if steve says these things to his wife... you know that you would be frieghtened to tho and expect to be "smacked" so you project your dishonesty and fear onto him.
moot.. I may have to disagree with you and tigress on the whole "civilized" and "educated" thing... surely, the ones who lack education and/or were brought up on meaner streets are closer to feral but... we all are. And... I don't believe that man is the only animal on the planet that lacks hardwired instincts.
men act like men because that is what they are... they can cover it up or re-train but... they always revert under stress.. if they don't die first. It is one of the most common themes in literature for good reason... it is true...
I believe that our civilization is a thin veneer.. I point to riots and road rage and school shootings as proof... where education and upbringing can't beat out instinct and hardwiring.
Women are the same.. they are hardwired with a layer of civilization and now.. some feminism and indocrtinization from education... in the end tho... they are nest builders wanting security for their offspring and a strong mate with good genetics.. they aren't even hardwired to be manogamous.. they are hardwired to seek out new genetic material every 4 or 5 years or so... and they don't even know why...
No... men and women are different.. it has nothing to do with the way we are raised... it is the opposite in fact.... we are raised differently because we are different. You can't force a woman or raise a woman to be a man... she will revert to nature.. to... her hardwiring. Same for men.
watch a riot some time and don't say that you could never go that feral... you are only an incident.. only a shortage away from it. If you can't go feral you will die. To say that you are different than the thousands of us in riots is an odd form of denial.. of course we would all do that if we were starving or our family were.
lazs
Laz, I have respect for you; and we agree on many things... but not all.
And on some crucial points... not at all.
We women nurture you and protect you and love you... when you are helpless to do so on your own. Without us, you wouldn't have made it.
I believe males and females indeed have brain hard-wiring to be that which we individually are... males and females. There is no escaping it.
Males do not have an exclusive claim to capacity of intellect... any that so claim prove their own stupidity by so doing.
You can rant and preach till you are blue-faced about women's inferority to men. It changes nothing. We are simply different and men and women are meant to be a team... not masters and slaves.
I respect and admire men... I am not a slave to them.
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Ironically, a woman recently said this:
Yeah, And a Republican too :D
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tigress.. with all due respect.. I do agree with you that it is possible for you and I to agree on a lot of things but... some of the things we are hardwired with... men will never understand about women and women will never understand about men. it really is that simple and if we are honest as a people we will see that.
you said in another thread..... "I thought the police are the police 24/7 in the case of a serious crime in progress.
I have a neighbor, a single man, who looks out after me and told me I can rely on him if a serious problem arose if necessary. Even if it was just talk, it makes me feel more secure.
TIGERESS"
This is perfectly natural.. it is you being a woman.... it shows an instinct for security (thinking spending money on police makes you safe) and the instinct for looking toward a man for what a man does best... protect you from other men.
You are educated and a feminist and an equal in the work place but.. scratch the veneer and.. you have the above.. you are a woman. shouldn't the man just let you fend for yourself if you are equal?
I believe that I treat women better... more "equal" than most of the metrosexuals who claim equality. I just realize that women are different and that "equal" does not mean the same.
I don't want women voting away my freedom for some percieved increase in security that I never wanted in the first place and... because they are hardwired to not understand what I just said.. there is no point in trying to change that in them.
lazs
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And Lazs:
"Oh... and I have never liked working with women... I avoid it if I can. the more you work around them the more you realize that they have nothing in common with you... don't believe the same basic things.. they may or may not be "good" workers but being around em is unpleasant and confusing. "
I have people working for me as well as working & living. I have actually given up on the guys for now, so I only hire girls.
I have had Americans as well, - a girl and a Guy. There was no contest, - the girl proved very much better.....
Will be getting my newest recruit tonight. A girl :D
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Originally posted by Tigeress
Awesome! That's what I'm talkin 'bout! :aok
There are few things more admirable than a man with his self-confidence and self-esteem and self-security intact who does not have a need to put women down in order to feel manly.
An example of a Real Man... not an insecure Taliban animal.
TIGERESS
:cool:
(actually blushing, but I found no smilie for it.)
Thank you.
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And tigress... you are correct on nutrure... I was raised by a woman and learned a lot and was comforted and loved...
When I am broken or sick.. a womans touch and a womans way is what I want and need.. I think a woman heals us. I love women.. I love them to much to watch them turn into the shrill, shrew harpies that the feminists lesbians man haters would have us believe they should be.
Take hillary for instance. I don't want her around when I am sick or broken because I don't think that comfort and nurture are even left in her anymore.
In fact.. I believe that for the most part... American women are not worth having. selfish and driven and self centered. I have a woman of mexican heritage.. raised in a mexican home... she was a manager and is bright but.. a woman.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
And tigress... you are correct on nutrure... I was raised by a woman and learned a lot and was comforted and loved...
When I am broken or sick.. a womans touch and a womans way is what I want and need.. I think a woman heals us. I love women.. I love them to much to watch them turn into the shrill, shrew harpies that the feminists lesbians man haters would have us believe they should be.
Take hillary for instance. I don't want her around when I am sick or broken because I don't think that comfort and nurture are even left in her anymore.
In fact.. I believe that for the most part... American women are not worth having. selfish and driven and self centered. I have a woman of mexican heritage.. raised in a mexican home... she was a manager and is bright but.. a woman.
lazs
Did you also happen to read my post to the thread...
"What WW2 ace do you look up to?"
My post was a tribute to a very feminine woman who was also a WWII Combat Fighter Pilot Ace. She was barely more than a girl.
She was named... Das Erheben von Stalingrad[/b] by her enemies, the men of the German Luftwaffe whom she flew combat missions against.
She and I share a love of flowers, a love of flying, and the willingness to fight enemy invaders and if necessary to lay down life in the course of defending the homeland.
Here is a link to the Thread Page on which my post about Lilya[/b] appears.
My Favorite Ace Fighter Pilot (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=2585579&highlight=rose%20and%20stalingrad#post2585579)
I am so proud of her I could cry... and have... and will again.
It is true, I can not defend myself physically against a man, all things being equal... without a hedge... or a weapon... or use of my wits.
I was not meant to live alone... neither were you.
Protect me; don't victomize me.
Encourage and enable me... don't dominate me.
Let my Spirit fly and soar... don't enslave me... or crush my potential as a human being.
These favors will be returned in volumes... and in ways you can not provide for yourself.
These also are gifts a Father can give his Daughter.
TxMom made a comment about a Father's role in raising his daughter but it was swept away in the heat of argument early in this thread. For a girl, her relationship with her Dad is critical if she is to have healthy relationships with men in her life; all things being equal. My Mom could not teach what my Father taught.
In the end, it is all about love... and respect... and loyalty.
For Each; The Other... that is loyalty.
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by Curval
Steve had no hard evidence whatsoever to suggest that Serenity was lying in his recent post but everyone accepted the guy was full of it.
Except the part where I called the HPD and proved he was lying. Other than that, you are correct. Wait.. that means you are not correct at all. Seems to be your theme in this thread.
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Originally posted by Curval
What data or facts did you present? None.
You simply blathered out your taliban-like feelings about women, which as already pointed out is pretty dumb considering you have provided evidence, in writing, that you won't hire women simply because they are...women...and in your opinion not good enough to work for you.
You really are quite bad at this debate stuff. You should keep to herding goats or whatever it is your wife has you doing. I remember seeing a picture of you in a skirt before. I understand why now.
I never said women aren't "good enough". The fact is, the second something goes wrong they go from wanting to be equals to being a victim in some way or other.
I've seen women who will ruthlessly and without compunction go from competent to blubbering in the blink of an eye, depending on who is watching and what they are trying to achieve. I've seen women go from capable co-worker to vicitmized waif in an eyeblink, turning on their coworkers with baleful vengeance when something doesn't go their way. I've seen women have office trysts, then turn in their lover for sexual harrassment when they got dumped. In my experience in the professional world, there is nothing more disingenuous, more viper-like, more dangerous to your career than a woman with ambition. They will, without regard for the consequences to those they are hurting, warp truth or flat out fabricate it to get ahead or "get even" with someone. No doubt your CFO's and CEO's you were fawning about are cut from the same cloth.
You can pretend to be so much more enlightened and noble than me with your castigations but the fact is my life experiences are what they are. You chose to become a woman with a noodle(I am willing to guess you kept it). I chose to be a man.
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Originally posted by Angus
Yeah, And a Republican too :D
smart girl. :aok
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lol
Steve you are too much.
I've never worn a skirt...there was a pic of Animal of FDB fame in one floating around at one stage. I suppose you think I'm black like him too...but I'm not.
What you have seen is not the be-all and end-all in life man. You keep your attitudes about women if you think you are so correct. One day they will turn and bite you in the backside.
But then again, I doubt you actually vocalise any of the stuff you write here. I suspect it is more about how you want to appear online.
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Originally posted by Curval
lol
Steve you are too much.
I've never worn a skirt...there was a pic of Animal of FDB fame in one floating around at one stage. I suppose you think I'm black like him too...but I'm not.
What you have seen is not the be-all and end-all in life man. You keep your attitudes about women if you think you are so correct. One day they will turn and bite you in the backside.
But then again, I doubt you actually vocalise any of the stuff you write here. I suspect it is more about how you want to appear online.
I think it's your avatar... maybe they are shorts... looks like a skirt. Maybe it's just the power of suggestion. You are so femininized that my mind sees you in a skirt.
I see when I slap your talking points down you merely move on. you should be a politician. I think moveon.org may have a position for you.
In the end, the opinion of such a wreck of a person like you isn't all that important to me. I voiced my opinion, made some points and I'm fine with what I've said. You countered with falsehoods, incorrect statements and presumptions. I'm not sure what conversing with you further could accomplish. You can't argue logically, your insults are old, tired retreads...
Other than slapping you around a bit more if you persist with your ninny ways, I believe I'm done with you. Bored with you I have become.
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I had forgotten that you called the HPD. You score that point...only. The rest is just insult after insult, after puffing your chest out and trying to act lazs-like.
You claim my life is a wreak, that I'm womanly, lacking a noodle etc etc etc. Are those facts? Are they making a point? Are they correct statements? Is that what you think makes you the big he-man winner in this little sword fight?
You are laughable.
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tigress... I got to admit that flowery and poetic as your post seemed to me.. if conveyed very little meaning.. I was never good at poetry either.. I just like people to get to the point.
Is your point that some women in all thousands of years and countless millions of soldiers were fierce fighters? I would say that yes.. that has happened. Yes.. of all the tens of thousands of fighter pilots... a few were women.
protect you but don't victimize you? my type is the last to want to victimize you unless you have a very strange definition of the word. spirts.. flying and soaring and all that stuff that I am not real clear on... No woman has ever said that I have held her down.. most are offended at how much freedom I am willing to give them... they don't know what to do with it and they most certainly do not want to let my "spirit soar".
steve is correct on how women want it both ways... they want to wear mens clothes and ball gowns.. and be treated either way.. they want to be given opportunity in business but don't want to play by the same rules.. they want to be tough guys that cry... equals that have extra rights... They want to be equal partners in marriage but want to take everything from it when they leave it. even if they had not earned a penny of it.
Any man with a shred of honesty left under his PC indoctrinization would admit that working with women is like walking on eggs.. how is that equal? Why would I want to be around such a situation... answer.. I wouldn't sooooo.. I am forced.
I don't like being forced or being told I have to do something for my own good... that is why us men leave mommy in the first place.
lazs
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"Honor and Obey"
They should have also added "Fetch me another beer before you start the dishes."
:D
Mac
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Originally posted by Curval
I had forgotten that you called the HPD. You score that point...only. The rest is just insult after insult, after puffing your chest out and trying to act lazs-like.
You claim my life is a wreak, that I'm womanly, lacking a noodle etc etc etc. Are those facts? Are they making a point? Are they correct statements? Is that what you think makes you the big he-man winner in this little sword fight?
You are laughable.
Awww I didn't claim you lacked a noodle, I said I was willing to guess you still had one. :)
Swapping insults in a heated debate is part of the atmosphere. I appreciate a good zinger, and I don't mind being the target of one. I enjoy wit, even at my expense.
As for puffing my chest out well, I think you have mistaken my thoughts. I don't claim to be any tougher than the next guy on the internet. For all I know, you are a ninja master and you would beat me to death with my arm after you ripped it off my body. I don't remember making any claims to be able to best some one in a physical confrontation. Exception: I told Gscholz that if I ever meet him that I am going to put my boot up his arse. I still hold to that and look forward to that opportunity.
I simply have beliefs that you consider to be "laughable" and somehow you've taken my beliefs and incorrectly turned them into claims of machismo. Then again, maybe it's that you find me threatening in some way because I choose not to play along with the metrosexuals of the world; because I chose to form opinions based on my own experiences rather than from how others, like you in this thread, think I should.
if I'm laughable because I have experienced what I have in life... then surely you have me pegged...I'm laughable.
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Man all this came out of one simple lil UTube short on Bimbos signing a petition ?
You all either read to far into the lines or suffer from a lack of tongue in cheek comedy.
Lighten up.
Mac
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Originally posted by lazs2
tigress... I got to admit that flowery and poetic as your post seemed to me.. if conveyed very little meaning.. I was never good at poetry either.. I just like people to get to the point.
Is your point that some women in all thousands of years and countless millions of soldiers were fierce fighters? I would say that yes.. that has happened. Yes.. of all the tens of thousands of fighter pilots... a few were women.
protect you but don't victimize you? my type is the last to want to victimize you unless you have a very strange definition of the word. spirts.. flying and soaring and all that stuff that I am not real clear on... No woman has ever said that I have held her down.. most are offended at how much freedom I am willing to give them... they don't know what to do with it and they most certainly do not want to let my "spirit soar".
steve is correct on how women want it both ways... they want to wear mens clothes and ball gowns.. and be treated either way.. they want to be given opportunity in business but don't want to play by the same rules.. they want to be tough guys that cry... equals that have extra rights... They want to be equal partners in marriage but want to take everything from it when they leave it. even if they had not earned a penny of it.
Any man with a shred of honesty left under his PC indoctrinization would admit that working with women is like walking on eggs.. how is that equal? Why would I want to be around such a situation... answer.. I wouldn't sooooo.. I am forced.
I don't like being forced or being told I have to do something for my own good... that is why us men leave mommy in the first place.
lazs
Awww... I thought it was pretty well written :rofl
Straight to the Point, Laz... this is not the Middle Ages... it is the 21st Century.
And for every female wingnut you and Steve find to whine about... I can find a male wingnut. OK? Prison, just for openers, is full of them... and that is just the ones they caught and pulled off the streets! hahahahahaha
According to the AF Personnel Center, there are 49 Active Duty Female fighter pilots and 16 WSOs. There are 17 Air Nat'l Guard Fighter chicks.
That is just the Air Force...
Two of these women are current members of the US Air Force Thunder Birds.
That doesn't even speak of the female bomber pilots and women in other pilot roles in the US Armed Services.
One of the present female bomber pilots was the first female to command a B-2 Stealth Bomber during a bombing mission over Iraq.
TIGERESS
Here is a pic of three FA-117 Stealth Fighter drivers... who happen to be women... from left to right their callsigns are CANS, KIRBY, & SHAQ.
The pic was taken at Holloman AFB
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff232/Tigeress_ah/HollomanCFPA.jpg)
And here is a pic of three F-16 Female Fighter Jocks at MOUNDS' (she is the one in the middle) last flight. When asked why she picked the call sign MOUNDS, she replies...
"Almond Joys have Nuts... Mounds Don't" lol :rofl
The pilot on the left side has the callsign HAK and the call sign of the pilot on the right is JIGA.
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff232/Tigeress_ah/Moundsfiniflt.jpg)
Here is some humor from Fighter Chicks dot Com (http://www.fighterchicks.com/HOME.htm)
10 REASONS TO MARRY A FEMALE FIGHTER PILOT
10. Don't have to spend hours in the mall looking for accessories. The life support shop provides everything she needs.
9. Arguments are a lot shorter because you both use acronyms to insult each other.
8. She insists on buying a stroller with a gold plated canopy and the baby's name and callsign stenciled on the side.
7. A conversation about boom vs probe-n-drogue refueling turns into a night of dirty talking.
6. Her occupation takes her from 0-600mph in 18 seconds.
5. She brings you souviners from deployments in the travel pod. Everything was frozen but its the thought that counts.
4. She looks gorgeous in an evening gown or in a flightsuit.
3. You would never be tempted to cheat because you know she can put a GBU-10 through the bedroom window.
2. If she ever shoots down an enemy jet, you can spend the next 10 years telling everyone you meet "That was my wife!"
And the number one reason to marry a female fighter pilot:
1. She followed you into the men's room at the bar
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LOL!
Anyway, wanted to flag this one from Tigress again:
"There are few things more admirable than a man with his self-confidence and self-esteem and self-security intact who does not have a need to put women down in order to feel manly."
IMHO, much of women's work is supressed from old views, and much of women's performance is suffering because of enormous pressure from the guys. This is, from the guy's behalf, absolutely non-manly.
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Oh. Looking through the records of those female pilots is probably going to change my mind about infecting my wife from the AH virus. She's going to kill me!!!!
(Probably with a hammerhead :D)
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Originally posted by Angus
Oh. Looking through the records of those female pilots is probably going to change my mind about infecting my wife from the AH virus. She's going to kill me!!!!
(Probably with a hammerhead :D)
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
No kidding!
After an intense evening flying a fighter in Aces High a few months back I was told the next morning I said "BOOM!" in my sleep... :rofl :rofl :rofl
Which I often say when I shoot a fighter down and it explodes.
TIGERESS
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(http://hallbuzz.com/images/unlinked/poker.png)
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Here are a few more Fighter Pilots... who happen to be women...
TIGERESS
This is TUZZI on the left and G-SPOT on the right.
They drive an A-10 WartHog for a living...
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff232/Tigeress_ah/Tuzzi_and_G-Spot__Yokota_Airshow_.jpg)
Some more F-16 drivers... all female.
Back Row: BO, CHEETAH, GRINDER
Front Row: SILO, RUSTI, BAMA, GRINGA
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff232/Tigeress_ah/1.jpg)
ELMENDORF CFPA at Gunna's Fini Flt: GUNNA, TRIX MAMBA, & COMBO
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff232/Tigeress_ah/image.jpg)
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hell hath no fury like a man scorned.
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(http://webpages.csus.edu/~sac15625/MIS101/Mount%20Rushmore1.jpg)
These four were elected by men only. Anybody since Harding that should be added to these four?
Just asking...:)
No offense...
apologies...
Sorry...
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Originally posted by lazs2
curval... you are still missing the point... you have no idea if steve says these things to his wife... you know that you would be frieghtened to tho and expect to be "smacked" so you project your dishonesty and fear onto him.
moot.. I may have to disagree with you and tigress on the whole "civilized" and "educated" thing... surely, the ones who lack education and/or were brought up on meaner streets are closer to feral but... we all are. And... I don't believe that man is the only animal on the planet that lacks hardwired instincts.
men act like men because that is what they are... they can cover it up or re-train but... they always revert under stress.. if they don't die first. It is one of the most common themes in literature for good reason... it is true...
I believe that our civilization is a thin veneer.. I point to riots and road rage and school shootings as proof... where education and upbringing can't beat out instinct and hardwiring.
Women are the same.. they are hardwired with a layer of civilization and now.. some feminism and indocrtinization from education... in the end tho... they are nest builders wanting security for their offspring and a strong mate with good genetics.. they aren't even hardwired to be manogamous.. they are hardwired to seek out new genetic material every 4 or 5 years or so... and they don't even know why...
No... men and women are different.. it has nothing to do with the way we are raised... it is the opposite in fact.... we are raised differently because we are different. You can't force a woman or raise a woman to be a man... she will revert to nature.. to... her hardwiring. Same for men.
watch a riot some time and don't say that you could never go that feral... you are only an incident.. only a shortage away from it. If you can't go feral you will die. To say that you are different than the thousands of us in riots is an odd form of denial.. of course we would all do that if we were starving or our family were.
lazs
Laz...Laz..Laz.
First of all...what women do you work around?? You must be gutterally clueless if you walk on eggshells around them. The fact that you have posted this much on such an inane topic in this, the 21st century, proves to me you belong back with our kin, the Cro Magnon. Perhaps you are the walking, talking, modern piltdown man. (I'll give you time to look that one up.)
I work with women constantly, but then again the women I work with are all driven, with most having PhD's under their belts. I personally enjoy every minute of my time with them, and treat them as equals, as I should. (I'm no metrosexual, I played semi pro ice hockey before grad school. I guarantee I have twice the marbles and three times the scars you have) Not a single one of the women I work with would cower under your persistent BS, and could run circles around you mentally and physically. It's the People that matter, not their sex.
The women I work with don't back down from 15 foot Tiger Sharks, so a little guppy like you would mean nothing.
Grow up bro. Do humanity a favor.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
Laz...Laz..Laz.
First of all...what women do you work around?? You must be gutterally clueless if you walk on eggshells around them. The fact that you have posted this much on such an inane topic in this, the 21st century, proves to me you belong back with our kin, the Cro Magnon. Perhaps you are the walking, talking, modern piltdown man. (I'll give you time to look that one up.)
I work with women constantly, but then again the women I work with are all driven, with most having PhD's under their belts. I personally enjoy every minute of my time with them, and treat them as equals, as I should. (I'm no metrosexual, I played semi pro ice hockey before grad school. I guarantee I have twice the marbles and three times the scars you have) Not a single one of the women I work with would cower under your persistent BS, and could run circles around you mentally and physically. It's the People that matter, not their sex.
The women I work with don't back down from 15 foot Tiger Sharks, so a little guppy like you would mean nothing.
Grow up bro. Do humanity a favor.
Hiya MORAY37,
Nice to meet you.
The women you work with, no doubt, have well founded respect for you also.
How could they not?
See ya in the Big Sky
TIGERESS
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I work in a crowd of women right now. I also did so many years ago. In between I have been working with crowds of men, all way down to ruffians that considered themselves "manly".
Well, it usually proved that working with the ladies, or at least a mixed crew was the best.
And I want to take the hat off for laidies that enter the "manly" jobzones and while doing fine also stay in one piece. I know how it feels to enter a rough job as a newbie, and I was just glad that at least I was already toughened and a guy.
Hats off for the ladies and Tigress.
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LOL... touchy eh? wonder why? truth is that we can show a lot of pictures of women pilots and race car drivers and medal of honor winners... maybe a couple of pages... if we did the same for men.... we would never see the end of the document... countless...endless pages.
It is fine to be proud of your gender.. it is sensible to also see the truth.
moray... wow.. you are a tough guy! and... you hang out with tough women too!!! could they whup you as easily as they could me? PHD and shark wrestling... I guess I should just run and hide eh?
I am nearing 60. I will bet (and I rarely bet) that not one of the women you work with (the shark wrestlers) could go three rounds with me. I would not like to hurt a woman but if they were dumb enough to get in the ring with me then it would probly be a benifiet to everyone if we did so.. Sure.. they would get hurt but the reality check would be a good thing.
Before you get all huffy about it... review the fight between buta****o (whatever his name is) and "the worlds toughest woman" he was/is a fat slob who could barely get through the ropes and trained in a lazyboy with a beer in his hand.
he beat the living crap out of her with no effort at all... she cried in the end. The long faces on the metrosexuals after the beating was worth the price of addmission.
I am sure I could do that well. If you can't beat them women up then you are no problem either.
Point is... women can be forced to act against their nature... some armies have had to press them into duty but.. there are always problems.. ones you are willing to gloss over. or...say will get better... jews are having problems with men being 10 times more likely to stop and aid a wounded woman than a man and not complete the task.
Rapes and harrassment... false accusations and tension... more violence.
you "men" say you like to work with women... I say that I have never met a woman who liked to work with other women... go ahead.. ask em.. every one would rather work with men.
Why do you guys suppose that is.
lazs
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My granny took the driver's licence when she was 65.
That was in 1976.
She would have had you in armwrestling Lazs :D
So mature of you clinging on just the fighting ability BTW.
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Angus.. I am old and worn out.. I avoid fights at all costs (almost all costs) and I have never hit a woman who didn't deserve it. I take it that men can beat up women as a simple given... I am always shocked when some media numbed PC "man" thinks otherwise. I am shocked that anyone even thought they could put a woman in the ring with a man.
But... it was your bud the genius tough guy who was being silly about it.. he was telling me how tough the shark wrestlers were. Hell.. a can barely swim so I am sure they can outswim me and... I don't like sharks.. or the ocean for that matter.
Look... we are what we are... why all this effort to make us into something against our nature? Do you think that has made women happier? these driven women that you guys admire... I know a few... they do not seem that happy to me.
and.. as was pointed out.. no pres that women helped elect will ever be worth putting up on rushmore.
lazs
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I watched a woman kick the snot out of one of the Jackprettythang guys on one of their videos.
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Originally posted by Angus
My granny took the driver's licence when she was 65.
That was in 1976.
She would have had you in armwrestling Lazs :D
So mature of you clinging on just the fighting ability BTW.
Looks like the Taliban never gets it. lol
I have more important things to do now...
Cao, Laz! God bless ya dear! It's been fun! :rofl
I will never think of you again without smiling!!!
TIGERESS
PS: A well placed kick in the balls by a 12 year old girl will take you down like a big oak tree! hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaa
PPS: I voted for Reagan, twice; I would seriously nominate Ronny for Mt Rushmore :aok
Oh... and also that goof-ball Deputy Barny Fife, opps... I mean President Geo. W. Bush... so that his stupidity will never be forgotten for all time!
...least we ever again think that it doesn't matter what the world thinks of the USA. (I am so embarrassed and ashamed by his presidency)
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff232/Tigeress_ah/bush_rushmore_buzzflash.jpg)
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aren't those the guys who walk into walls and set their crotch on fire?
I believe they fill their shorts with wasps too..
Andy kaufman (bless his heart) understood the PC movement in this regard... he saw the comedy of media induced "equality" and the "men" like moray and angus and... possibly.. yourself.. who bought into it... I think I coulda whipped andy pretty easily.. I think even you could have.
I really think this whole thing is pretty funny... I can't help but picture myself and angus and moray and tigress all at a con together and me trying to keep a straight face.
lazs
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Where`s my banky?
Mooray is da scaryyyyyyyyyyy!
:D
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Originally posted by indy007
mmm... uh... how does she see wtf she's going?
and I bet wrapped up like that, in the heat, she probably smells like "moldy feet wrapped in bacon".
:rofl :aok
Sig material Alert!
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Lazs:
"I really think this whole thing is pretty funny... I can't help but picture myself and angus and moray and tigress all at a con together and me trying to keep a straight face."
What is that supposed to mean?
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Originally posted by lazs2
aren't those the guys who walk into walls and set their crotch on fire?
I believe they fill their shorts with wasps too..
They do all sorts of crazy stuff, including getting into the ring with a professional female kick boxer (I think that is what she was).
Point is...they are men, young men, one of whom got his butt kicked...by a woman.
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Originally posted by Angus
Lazs:
"I really think this whole thing is pretty funny... I can't help but picture myself and angus and moray and tigress all at a con together and me trying to keep a straight face."
What is that supposed to mean?
I think I know what he means :) and yes I would also have a hard time keeping a straight face!
LAZ, Ya big lunk! too funny! :rofl
I would even buy you a drink.
I really get a kick out of you! ;) you play a great straight man and never break character!
Now, we all need Laz to be Laz so don't break character on us now.
Ok, poopsie?
TIGERESS
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Hehe.
To be manly, Tigress, I'll hold him while you tickle. Then he will have a hard time to keep his face. Unless he shoots me first :D
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Originally posted by Angus
Hehe.
To be manly, Tigress, I'll hold him while you tickle. Then he will have a hard time to keep his face. Unless he shoots me first :D
You're on! :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
I'll tickle him till he can't breath!!!!!!!!!!!!
TIGERESS
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Do I need to have cushins for the holding?
(don't wanna bruise)
:D :t
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Originally posted by Curval
They do all sorts of crazy stuff, including getting into the ring with a professional female kick boxer (I think that is what she was).
Point is...they are men, young men, one of whom got his butt kicked...by a woman.
Heheheh, it was funny to watch. She kicked the poop out of him.
The thing is, there were very specific rules in that ring, whereas in a fight there are no rules. If you were to meet that kickboxer on the street(she was very fit but rather tiny) there would be nothing to stop you from grabbing her and breaking stuff on her body; nothing to stop you from holding her down and pummeling her until your arms got tired.
No, I'm not trying to start another argument or discount the woman's skills. Take tough man competition as an example: the wrestler type almost always beats the boxer type.
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Very mature to get the discussion into streetfighting and bodymass.
So should heavier guys only be allowed to vote..Steve?
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Video of Steve Bailey being PWNED by Two Frail Women and a Baby Girl! (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7117626257215800524&q=man+tickled+by+woman&total=75&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=8)
:rofl :rofl :rofl
TIGERESS
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Tigeress, regarding your first post on this page. Would it be rude if I flew over their airspace being non-responsive so they would come up after me and then I ask them for a date?
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Heheheh, it was funny to watch. She kicked the poop out of him.
The thing is, there were very specific rules in that ring, whereas in a fight there are no rules. If you were to meet that kickboxer on the street(she was very fit but rather tiny) there would be nothing to stop you from grabbing her and breaking stuff on her body; nothing to stop you from holding her down and pummeling her until your arms got tired.
No, I'm not trying to start another argument or discount the woman's skills. Take tough man competition as an example: the wrestler type almost always beats the boxer type.
hehe
All I remember was the whooping the guy got, I don't remember the rules. But it was hilarious.
The funniest thing they did IMHO was that electric shock device they applied to each other in the first film, right at the beginning...I was rolling watching that.
Taking a dump in the store was funny too, but the guy not making it there and having an accident (causing a cameraman to puke) was even better
:rofl
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Originally posted by Denholm
Tigeress, regarding your first post on this page. Would it be rude if I flew over their airspace being non-responsive so they would come up after me and then I ask them for a date?
mmmmmmm.... lol, probably better to get an invite to the O-Club of the base where they are stationed and meet them there!
If I had to up an F-16 to come after you... I would first see how well you could dance with an AIM-9X Sidewinder without getting your six blown off! :noid
...then call ya on the GUARD CHAN to accept that date... IF ya survived! :rofl :rofl :rofl
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by Angus
Very mature to get the discussion into streetfighting and bodymass.
So should heavier guys only be allowed to vote..Steve?
Huh? Request to answer a question from someone being a dumbarse... DENIED
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Originally posted by Curval
hehe
All I remember was the whooping the guy got, I don't remember the rules. But it was hilarious.
The funniest thing they did IMHO was that electric shock device they applied to each other in the first film, right at the beginning...I was rolling watching that.
Taking a dump in the store was funny too, but the guy not making it there and having an accident (causing a cameraman to puke) was even better
:rofl
Yup! I tjhink this may reveal the kid in me because I had to watch the toilet scene(and the accident right before) in the hardware store two or three times... it was that funny.
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Steve
That part was the worst, lol only worse part was the dude eating the piss cone.
I know why the dude got his bellybutton kicked, its cause ryan dunn or whatever his name is, is a *****.
Put her in the ring with butterbing or whatever his name was and that would have been funny.
:D
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yep.. those guys ALLOW themselves to be hurt in everything they do... they are not good examples. Here.. a DJ in the bay area challenged women to fights.. several were kickboxers and holders of martial arts degrees... he was an out of shape 160 lb 5'8" guy and he beat every one.
tigress.. as for the tickle thing... it is like the above thing but minus the pain...
There is a friend of my girlfriends.. she is a little overweight and tall.. maybe 5'9" and very pretty... she is a big redhead and her most noticeable feature is that she has humongous breasts... extreme... she will "punish" men by putting them in a headlock... she has put me in a headlock... that does not mean anything tho other than...
It was quite pleasant to be put in a headlock by her.
and angus.. I would just find it amusing to see you and moray doing your act in front of tigress to show off... be even better if she happens to be attractive. you guys would strain even harder.
What I think is so funny all the time is seeing the suckbutts here and everywhere saying the silliest crap about their love of long walks on the beach and crying at chick flicks and.... equality.. and somehow thinking that is getting them closer to getting laid....
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
she has put me in a headlock... that does not mean anything tho other than...
It was quite pleasant to be put in a headlock by her.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by lazs2
What I think is so funny all the time is seeing the suckbutts here and everywhere saying the silliest crap about their love of long walks on the beach and crying at chick flicks and.... equality.. and somehow thinking that is getting them closer to getting laid....
lazs
Maybe in the day of the biker were these guys "faking" it to get laid, now they "know" it's the truth!:D
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Originally posted by lazs2
yep.. those guys ALLOW themselves to be hurt in everything they do... they are not good examples. Here.. a DJ in the bay area challenged women to fights.. several were kickboxers and holders of martial arts degrees... he was an out of shape 160 lb 5'8" guy and he beat every one.
tigress.. as for the tickle thing... it is like the above thing but minus the pain...
There is a friend of my girlfriends.. she is a little overweight and tall.. maybe 5'9" and very pretty... she is a big redhead and her most noticeable feature is that she has humongous breasts... extreme... she will "punish" men by putting them in a headlock... she has put me in a headlock... that does not mean anything tho other than...
It was quite pleasant to be put in a headlock by her.
and angus.. I would just find it amusing to see you and moray doing your act in front of tigress to show off... be even better if she happens to be attractive. you guys would strain even harder.
What I think is so funny all the time is seeing the suckbutts here and everywhere saying the silliest crap about their love of long walks on the beach and crying at chick flicks and.... equality.. and somehow thinking that is getting them closer to getting laid....
lazs
hahahahahahaha!!!!!!! :rofl :rofl :rofl
Glad to see you are still in character!
I am only interested in local only and older guys... over 50.
They are just being your kryptonite dear.
TIGERESS
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tigress.. you got to admit that despite liking having them as an ally in the thread....
deep down in your honest parts.... you think they are wimps.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
tigress.. you got to admit that despite liking having them as an ally in the thread....
deep down in your honest parts.... you think they are wimps.
lazs
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by lazs2
tigress.. you got to admit that despite liking having them as an ally in the thread....
deep down in your honest parts.... you think they are wimps.
lazs
I think they just want to do the right thing. And you make it possible for them to do that by putting women down and acting way over the top chauvinistic! :rofl Gads!!! You are a character! I find it impossible to get angry with you!
If they were interested in me romantically they would have PM'ed me by now... and they didn't. That's not it. And I can usually tell when a guy is interested in me; they are usually not too shy about it.
Many professional and well educated men today have a 21st Century view of women in the work place. We are productive and most of us work harder than some of the men. We have to.
They don't judge us based on our limitations... rather what we are capable of and what we achieve.
It seems normal to me; not unusual. I would have never made it as an engineer had the men I work with not been accepting and supportive.
That is an absolute fact.
It's a professional environment. I work hard... but with that said... I get paid less than the men. I am not bitter about it anymore... it is just the way it is. S.H. happens as they say.
TIGERESS
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Steve:
"Huh? Request to answer a question from someone being a dumbarse... DENIED"
Allright. I will not make a noun for you as a reply for posting, although I have several ones ready in my head. So I refuse to answer your advanced reply.
Frogface :D
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Originally posted by Angus
Steve:
"Huh? Request to answer a question from someone being a dumbarse... DENIED"
Allright. I will not make a noun for you as a reply for posting, although I have several ones ready in my head. So I refuse to answer your advanced reply.
Frogface :D
Frogface? Heheheheheh.
:lol :aok
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Originally posted by lazs2
yep.. those guys ALLOW themselves to be hurt in everything they do... they are not good examples. Here.. a DJ in the bay area challenged women to fights.. several were kickboxers and holders of martial arts degrees... he was an out of shape 160 lb 5'8" guy and he beat every one.
tigress.. as for the tickle thing... it is like the above thing but minus the pain...
There is a friend of my girlfriends.. she is a little overweight and tall.. maybe 5'9" and very pretty... she is a big redhead and her most noticeable feature is that she has humongous breasts... extreme... she will "punish" men by putting them in a headlock... she has put me in a headlock... that does not mean anything tho other than...
It was quite pleasant to be put in a headlock by her.
and angus.. I would just find it amusing to see you and moray doing your act in front of tigress to show off... be even better if she happens to be attractive. you guys would strain even harder.
What I think is so funny all the time is seeing the suckbutts here and everywhere saying the silliest crap about their love of long walks on the beach and crying at chick flicks and.... equality.. and somehow thinking that is getting them closer to getting laid....
lazs
Lol. Laz you're so old, getting laid is just a memory.
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moray... I have no idea but I bet I get laid when I want more often than you get laid when you want. re read that before you get all huffy.
I also bet that when I do it is better and more on my terms. I have an active sex life but it is not the most important thing in my life. it is something to be enjoyed not an end in itself.
I only see my girlfriend on weekends. That works out real well for me... pig out on sex for three days then get on with my life for the rest of the week.
lazs
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Uh ohh... I think you pressed a button, Moray! :rofl
He is getting defensive about his sex life!
awwwwww... you guys are too funny. :rofl
TIGERESS
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nope...just sayin. I am happy with my sex life.. I feel pretty lucky right now... can moray (who brought it up) say the same. I bet he begs a lot.
well... to be absolutely honest... I coulda used getting laid last night but I can wait till tonite and.... I have been married twice already.. I know enough about that to realize that just being married does not mean that you will get laid whenever you want..
In fact.. I think being married leads to a more frustrating sex life than not. often not as enjoyable and mostly not when the urge strikes.
lazs
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I believe, that if you asked the same question about men's suffrage they they would have signed it too. :(
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Originally posted by Tigeress
I would first see how well you could dance with an AIM-9X Sidewinder without getting your six blown off! :noid
...then call ya on the GUARD CHAN to accept that date... IF ya survived!...
Passengers make great countermeasures at low altitudes. Although I think the company would fire me, which would make me sad.:(
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Originally posted by lazs2
nope...just sayin. I am happy with my sex life.. I feel pretty lucky right now... can moray (who brought it up) say the same. I bet he begs a lot.
well... to be absolutely honest... I coulda used getting laid last night but I can wait till tonite and.... I have been married twice already.. I know enough about that to realize that just being married does not mean that you will get laid whenever you want..
In fact.. I think being married leads to a more frustrating sex life than not. often not as enjoyable and mostly not when the urge strikes.
lazs
Dear, you guys are so competitive with each other sometimes, I could scream! HAHAHAHAHAHA
Who cares who has the best SL?
I Mean, Really!!! hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
I am happy that people are happy... lets not have a contest to see who owns whom on the happiness meter, K? :rofl
I am very happy for you Laz.
men... go figger, God bless em.
TIGERESS
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tigress... with all due respect... the men here know what I am saying... I didn't really expect you to understand... How could you?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
tigress... with all due respect... the men here know what I am saying... I didn't really expect you to understand... How could you?
lazs
ok :confused:
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by Getback
I believe, that if you asked the same question about men's suffrage they they would have signed it too. :(
You KNOW they would jump at the chance to sign that!!! HAHAHAHA
TIGERESS
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To All Men Who Want To End Women's Suffrage!
This is a petition to put an end, for all time, to SUFFRAGE of such MEN!
SUFFRAGE for all such Men has got to stop and stop right now!
Women are very deserving of serious lifetime SUFFRAGE.
Don't sign a petition to end Women's SUFFRAGE;
Any Man who signs such is a petition is a WIMP
It's what them Women deserve! Yeah! SUFFRAGE
1. _LAZS________________________ ______________
2. _Steve Bailey_______________________ _________
3. _____________________________ ______________
4. _____________________________ ______________
5. _____________________________ ______________
6. _____________________________ ______________
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Originally posted by Denholm
Passengers make great countermeasures at low altitudes. Although I think the company would fire me, which would make me sad.:(
Oh you wouldn't want to get fired. Best to go to the on base O-Club.
lol human counter measures! uhhh would a sidewinder be tricked by that?
The fighter jets I see on TV shoot out flares or something extremely hot.
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by lazs2
tigress... with all due respect... the men here know what I am saying... I didn't really expect you to understand... How could you?
lazs
No we don't understand.
Question is, are you a man Lasz?
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Originally posted by Angus
No we don't understand.
Question is, are you a man Lasz?
Wow Angus!
He is certainly of the male persuasion ( as is popular to say ). I have met him and would not question his manhood. I cannot, however, answer for him, I can only speak of my impression of him.
Mark
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Originally posted by lazs2
nope...just sayin. I am happy with my sex life.. I feel pretty lucky right now... can moray (who brought it up) say the same. I bet he begs a lot.
well... to be absolutely honest... I coulda used getting laid last night but I can wait till tonite and.... I have been married twice already.. I know enough about that to realize that just being married does not mean that you will get laid whenever you want..
In fact.. I think being married leads to a more frustrating sex life than not. often not as enjoyable and mostly not when the urge strikes.
lazs
For someone who sits up in the hills, and wants everyone to leave him alone, you share an awful lot....and post, an awful lot. Little lonely?
I will not share the same, suffice to say, my girlfriend and I are not just having sex two days out of the week, like you, old man. If that were the case, she would be my "friend" and not my live in girlfriend.
Your posts just get more entertaining as you get more desperate to prove your verile manliness. What a tool.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
For someone who sits up in the hills, and wants everyone to leave him alone, you share an awful lot....and post, an awful lot. Little lonely?
I will not share the same, suffice to say, my girlfriend and I are not just having sex two days out of the week, like you, old man. If that were the case, she would be my "friend" and not my live in girlfriend.
Your posts just get more entertaining as you get more desperate to prove your verile manliness. What a tool.
Did lazs piss in your wheaties?
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Lazs, I never saw it but I'd be willing to bet that DJ fight was set up to end that way because it's more entertaining, kinda like when John Candy did the jello wrestling thing with the strippers in the movie Stripes. That was a funny part of the movie watching the lumbering Candy end up backhanding them and winning the bout. Not because they were women but because it was just so slow and lumbering, as if Candy blundered his drunken way through oafish moves and got lucky.
Was that Buttafuocco scene about the same? Did he beat those kickboxers with some hard punches to the face or what? Was it all show? Hardly sounds possible if those women were trained and as tough as they were billed. Seems like they would have attacked his family jewels at least, but maybe he was wearing a cup.
What did he do to win? What happened? How many was he up against? 160 pounds is not that big. Just standing there probably wouldn't have worked unless he was much bigger. Now maybe 260 pounds I could believe, but still if it was a show it wasn't real. It was for fun.
Les
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Iron, Moray is one of those big heads that knows a lot but apparently lost his sense of impartiality... He can't even recognize what Lazs actualy thinks and means. So he's in fact very honestly sure of himself that Lazs is indeed a [redneck/biker/criminal/etc] that behaves as he does for the reasons Moray best guesses ("Little lonely?", which probably says more about Moray than Lazs), and will go as far down that mistaken path as the thread allows (lock can't be too far away now).
Same with Angus and to a lesser degree Tigeress.
Rolex said it a while back to the sound of crickets, but truly, if you can't see through the eyes of the other, you're sorta stuck on stupid :)
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How many pages ago did I predict a lock?
Anyway, the mistaken path is perhaps the one not being happy with promoting big man's ego's and looking down on women as well as misunderstanding claims like "women should never have been allowed to vote" Very complicated.
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Just another case of intercultural opacity. You just don't get it. You probably wouldn't until you had actualy met Lazs in person, and even then...
But stick to houlier than thou if you wish.. won't bring you any closer to understanding the facts though.
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And on which side does the intercultural opacity reside?
I found Lazs's initial statements to be pretty clear worded, and the development into a manhood show somewhat predictable.
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Originally posted by moot
Iron, Moray is one of those big heads that knows a lot but apparently lost his sense of impartiality... He can't even recognize what Lazs actualy thinks and means. So he's in fact very honestly sure of himself that Lazs is indeed a [redneck/biker/criminal/etc] that behaves as he does for the reasons Moray best guesses ("Little lonely?", which probably says more about Moray than Lazs), and will go as far down that mistaken path as the thread allows (lock can't be too far away now).
Same with Angus and to a lesser degree Tigeress.
Rolex said it a while back to the sound of crickets, but truly, if you can't see through the eyes of the other, you're sorta stuck on stupid :)
Hi m00t!
Personally speaking, I think I am quite empathetic... but it's difficult in some cases to understand why someone claims diametrically opposed humanity... that is to say... that I can't possibly understand because I have no male nads lol then be dismissed as a bit of inconsequential fluff. hahahahahahaha
I do think I am getting a pretty good handle on Laz in spite of his dismissal of me on the basis of being a woman. It may not be in the way he thinks of himself but there can be more than one valid paradigm.
He is clearly demonstrating that he sees himself as, that he believes himself to be, a Renaissance Man and thus sets himself up to be challenged. It's clear to me he enjoys the challenge.
It's fun to poke at that to see what happens! Nothing personal, mind you... I actually like him. Although he doesn't apparently know it, I don't disagree with him on everything he says on the subject of M v F.
In my view, he is intelligent and mischievous and exhibits a bigger than life propensity towards male pomposity to stir a hornet's nest and watch the swarm buzzing around, and for other reasons.
The fact that I am a woman allows me to see men from the outside... to more clearly perceive hormonally driven behaviors for what they are.
I have always found self-confident men to be attractive. That is my estrogen bias. He clearly understands that in women. It doesn't mean he thinks like a woman... rather, that his external paradigm on what/why women find men attractive is no less valid as far as it goes. …although, imho, he still has far to go.
Many, if not all, men have a streak of fragility with regards to their egos... feminists exploit this. Women, such as myself, who like men are more protective of it.
I see male ownage of males as hormonally driven ego busting/ego boosting behavior... but the power of intellect surpasses... in spite of hormonally/instinctually driven dominating behaviors.
And, that is one of the many reasons I have a lot of respect for Moray. He is all male and a humanist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism).
TIGERESS
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Angus you just don't 'get' it the same way someone from around the globe doesn't 'get' all the subtleties and bits and pieces that make the a different culture's whole what it is, why it is; sometimes even when they've been right in the medium for a long while.
Apparently you've got a good grasp of all that lazs said but not why he said it. A ton (understatement) of stuff about the french is said in US perspective on this board, the facts of the matter, though, go mostly unknown. No one knows, no one gives a ****, because the model fits the facts well enough (****ty model, ****ty handle on the facts will give that illusion) that it's taken for granted the model is correct.
I suspect the same is true for Boroda, even accounting for the probably accurate commie boozonics factor, not enough of the truth is known to make a sufficiently accurate picture.
You can't see the point Lazs is making Angus. Maybe you should just give up and stick to stuff compatible with your sensibilities..
Tig, have to go back and wing with Joe, will answer later :)
No matter how much lazs has stirred things around, I have always found his point is made clear in the end.. no matter the means it is always there to be made.
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Originally posted by moot
Angus you just don't 'get' it the same way someone from around the globe doesn't 'get' all the subtleties and bits and pieces that make the a different culture's whole what it is, why it is; sometimes even when they've been right in the medium for a long while.
Apparently you've got a good grasp of all that lazs said but not why he said it. A ton (understatement) of stuff about the french is said in US perspective on this board, the facts of the matter, though, go mostly unknown. No one knows, no one gives a ****, because the model fits the facts well enough (****ty model, ****ty handle on the facts will give that illusion) that it's taken for granted the model is correct.
I suspect the same is true for Boroda, even accounting for the probably accurate commie boozonics factor, not enough of the truth is known to make a sufficiently accurate picture.
You can't see the point Lazs is making Angus. Maybe you should just give up and stick to stuff compatible with your sensibilities..
Tig, have to go back and wing with Joe, will answer later :)
No matter how much lazs has stirred things around, I have always found his point is made clear in the end.. no matter the means it is always there to be made.
It's no fun to be dismissed on the basis of being French, is it? Or... being a woman. Or... being a this or a that.
TIGERESS
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Like english humour then?
I think I pretty well grasped Laz's points of the females. Intelligent and mischiveus as they were. Since my responds were somewhat harsh, they were bound to bring some replys.
And yes, a lot of subtle stuff floates unnoticed by. Many should perhaps just give up and stick to stuff compatible with their sensibilities......
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Originally posted by Angus
Like english humour then?
I think I pretty well grasped Laz's points of the females. Intelligent and mischiveus as they were. Since my responds were somewhat harsh, they were bound to bring some replys.
And yes, a lot of subtle stuff floates unnoticed by. Many should perhaps just give up and stick to stuff compatible with their sensibilities......
Ahhh... yes I know you do!
And, you get the heart of the matter... get to the point... as Laz is fond of saying. You speak in a language so he understands. I doubt he will even read more than 20% of my post to m00t before his eyes glazes over and just sweeps it away with a one liner. hahahahaha ...and tells me to get to the point. That is what people do to avoid an elevated intellectual exchange. Sorry... that's how I write.
I am seriously impressed by all you men. There is a lot of respect to go around.
I mentioned Moray specifically because Laz's demenor changed dramatically when Moray showed up on the scene and smacked him.
It seems those two have engaged each other before and Laz apparently has an appreciation of Moray's apparent historical power of ownage of him in the past. He didn't seem to afford that respect to anyone else in spite of the validity and power of their arguments.
TIGERESS
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Now we just need to bring up the points where women excel. Many come to my head. One can actually make a nice funny fact collection of those. Okay, - for starters....:
- While men are indeed the physically stronger gender, their survivability in some cirkumstances is lower. One example is very cold water.
- While many men boast of their resistance to i.e. pain, they have yet to venture into the ballpark of childbirth. Woman's pain barrier is normally higher.
Then there is the field of the spirit above the body.....
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Originally posted by Angus
Now we just need to bring up the points where women excel. Many come to my head. One can actually make a nice funny fact collection of those. Okay, - for starters....:
- While men are indeed the physically stronger gender, their survivability in some cirkumstances is lower. One example is very cold water.
- While many men boast of their resistance to i.e. pain, they have yet to venture into the ballpark of childbirth. Woman's pain barrier is normally higher.
Then there is the field of the spirit above the body.....
Yup... and to that I can add... females make better combat pilots, all other things being equal.
Our brains are wired to be truly multi-tasking... and the lack of being ego bound allows for clearer thinking in certian situations.
We are team oriented much more so than the male lone-wolf.
What we lack in pure male aggression is offset with a serious "Mother Bear" behavior. Anyone who disrespects the power of that is a fool.
Evoke that and we will savagely fight to the death... honor be damned.
I look upon my wingmen and my country as a mother bear would her cubs.
"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned."
What many of us consider scorn eludes many men.
What we do here is a game. In the real world, anyone who attacks my wingman is going down... and I mean down.
If circumstances allowed I would follow that sucker down after his wing is blown off just to put rounds into his canopy.
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by moot
Iron, Moray is one of those big heads that knows a lot but apparently lost his sense of impartiality... He can't even recognize what Lazs actualy thinks and means. So he's in fact very honestly sure of himself that Lazs is indeed a [redneck/biker/criminal/etc] that behaves as he does for the reasons Moray best guesses ("Little lonely?", which probably says more about Moray than Lazs), and will go as far down that mistaken path as the thread allows (lock can't be too far away now).
Same with Angus and to a lesser degree Tigeress.
Rolex said it a while back to the sound of crickets, but truly, if you can't see through the eyes of the other, you're sorta stuck on stupid :)
Sir, I've treated laz with complete impartiality time and again, and yet he consistently falls back into this attack mode of some sort. This time it was my sexuality, which he knows zero about. I am very happy with my life and definately not lonely. Laz's exact quote was that I stood up for Tigeress's view and the view of women's rights so I could try to get laid. You need to read more than just one side to get the whole of the story. Whatever.
Fighting online is like winning the Special Oympics...sure you won... but you're still a retard.
The views contained within this thread are antiquated and don't belong in modern thought. You should try telling it to the families of the 100 or so female combat KIA's of this "war", and see how far they shove a flag up your arse.
The question is PEOPLE'S RIGHTS... not women, not gays, not black, red or yellow. When you treat any group as distinctly different and not worthy you grease the slope for someone else to treat you the exact same way. You have definately missed the point of freedom and democracy, and self determination.
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Originally posted by Tigeress
Ahhh... yes I know you do!
And, you get the heart of the matter... get to the point... as Laz is fond of saying. You speak in a language so he understands. I doubt he will even read more than 20% of my post to m00t before his eyes glazes over and just sweeps it away with a one liner. hahahahaha ...and tells me to get to the point. That is what people do to avoid an elevated intellectual exchange. Sorry... that's how I write.
I am seriously impressed by all you men. There is a lot of respect to go around.
I mentioned Moray specifically because Laz's demenor changed dramatically when Moray showed up on the scene and smacked him.
It seems those two have engaged each other before and Laz apparently has an appreciation of Moray's apparent historical power of ownage of him in the past. He didn't seem to afford that respect to anyone else in spite of the validity and power of their arguments.
TIGERESS
Women do understand alot more than you other guys give them credit for.
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well.. I think that both moray and tigress are proving my point... scratch morays metrosexual PC veneer and a man starts to emerge...
tigress... watches this and has not a clue as to what is going on.. she gets confused and nervous.. tries to calm it down.. tries to pretend here hero is not just a man under all the talk... what does she want? she wants to make us stop... to act more "sensible" less like men... more like women and more into security over agression and freedom.
moray.. as usual.. is offended by what I say.. he takes it personal even tho he probly didn't understand what I said... he starts the sex thing and then acts like a victim when it goes back at him...
In the past... it has been the same... global warming... he can't come up with a good arguement so he attacks and puffs up and claims that it is too complex for anyone not educated as he is to understand. This is... to me...addmiting defeat.
sooo... tigress admits she doesn't understand the real man under the surface except that... she can see it happening and... well... doesn't like it... she would pass a law against it if she could... "boys... don't fight!" that is pretty much what I am saying... that is pretty much why voting is not a good idea.
women are always willing to trade freedom, especially personal freedom... for security and peace.
moray is just a suckbutt and background noise.. he is simply trying to smoooze the women and sound modern but under it.. he is more driven and egomaniacal than anyone.. more prone to anger. More prone to one up.. if you have sex once a week he has it ten.. he can beat you up... he has a better education and swimming in the ocean... he knows secrets about global warming that only a man who swims and has a ten year old degree could understand.
lazs
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Tigress:
"Our brains are wired to be truly multi-tasking... and the lack of being ego bound allows for clearer thinking in certian situations.
We are team oriented much more so than the male lone-wolf.
What we lack in pure male aggression is offset with a serious "Mother Bear" behavior. Anyone who disrespects the power of that is a fool.
Evoke that and we will savagely fight to the death... honor be damn.
A mother fighting for her cubs is in the fight with her heart. So will a true father be.
I have 2 little toddly daughters. They have no idea about what papa would be able to get into for protecting them as well as their rights, such as voting when they have the age for it.
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and tigress... you are not that far off on the "Renaissance Man" thing... I may be, as I understand the meaning of it but..
others.. have said I was a prehistoric... that would not really be accurate in my opinion... I am more of the mid 19th century man type.. the "Renaissance Man" does fit I guess there but..
In that time period.. there were not really enough women to go around in the west... There were no.. or almost no.. rapes... women could walk the street by themselves at any time of day or night unmolested.. men were careful not to curse in front of them or be beaten by other men seeing it. men tipped their hat and carried packages for women.
contrast that with what our PC culture and womens rights groups have given us. I would fit quite well.
as for picking your heroes... You show a poor... and totally expected lack of judgement in men... if you read moot (and me) you would know that moray pretty much comes out the buffoon and blowhard in every exchange we have.. I almost feel sorry for him... so much for the history... look back on the global warming thread if you don't understand... he pretty much gives up and resorts to "well... I'm just better than you" That is fine but only if it is true... only if you have some proof of that. he never does. I am glad his sex life is good tho. Imagine what he is like when it isn't!
women don't know men.. you prove my point as well as the women who marry scumbags on death row prove it. If they are nice to you or if they say the things you want to hear.. they are good guys... we know better.. and... since, like it or not, the country is full of men who are in control... letting you vote on them is not a great plan for weeding out the scumbags.
lazs
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Whoa, just looked at the thread. Lazs, why don't you just go out and have a cup of tea before you post again?
I see Tigress posting very good points. And I see you now loosing your head.
So come on dude and be civil. A man. Not an obsessed person shouting " what does she want? she wants to make us stop... to act more "sensible" less like men... more like women and more into security over agression and freedom. "
Who is "we"? there? Is it us guys? Because I do not want me to be in your park there. And I do indeed pick security over agression, since agression will either be successful or not, while security does not have to conflict with sensibility or freedom at all!
Oooops. This might be an issue of opacity....
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angus and tigress... no matter how much you make them human like... bears are not people... no other animal is like a human.
It is amusing tho that you accept hardwiring in animals for survival but not for humans.. you can't have it both ways. Humans are right up there with bunny rabbits and mice so far as ability to defend themselves against other animals... except.. we have brains. We are not "bears". we are weak with the female of the species being laughably weak and lacking in agression and muscle.
fitgher pilots...prime ministers... race car drivers... what kind of world would it be if no women ever made it out of the mold? that doesn't mean the mold is broken.. it just means some tiny little group breaks from their nature and has the talent besides.
name the top 1000 fighter pilots of all time.. then the next thousand.. the top leaders of all time.. the top race car drivers... to say that women are "just as good" is just plain stupid...it is to ignore the facts and history right in front of your face. it is to take the freak and present them as the norm... insane behavior.. driven by nothing more than a desire to be PC.
lazs
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angus... I am not "shouting" and I am being perfectly reasonable and polite. I am pointing out that you and her and moray are making my points for me.
The men here love a fight... tigress wants to make it against the law... if she could.. Hell... come on..
How many men here would love to see me and moray rent a ring and have at it?
even more to the point.. how many men would love to simply see one of us get in a good zinger and humiliate the other right here? of course you would unless you lack the testostrazone god gave us.
It is fun and.. it works. mostly it works.. respect is gained or lost based on how it is handled... it is the manly way... moray can't even help himself... he is easy to strip the veneer from. he is perfectly willing to prove my point...to jump out of character.
to your credit tho angus.. you are pretty consistent.. the clueless straight man... I don't think it is because you are not bright... I most certainly think you are... I just think it is a cultural and language thing.
lazs
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"name the top 1000 fighter pilots of all time.. then the next thousand.. the top leaders of all time.. the top race car drivers... to say that women are "just as good" is just plain stupid...it is to ignore the facts and history right in front of your face. it is to take the freak and present them as the norm... insane behavior.. driven by nothing more than a desire to be PC."
Now you are being plane silly.
While women did not have the opportunities the vote, fly, race, how could they compete?
In the cases they had the opportunity (such as USSR female pilots, as well as LW ladies etc) they did well.
Facts are that you will not have a woman winner in a race where no women are allowed.
In front of YOUR face I will say that I think you are afraid of women's rights.
Chao
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Some ladies that managed to have the opportunity for a fight:
http://www.acesofww2.com/soviet/Women.htm
Must have made it easier for them as well as increasing their efficiency to hav "Laz's" around telling them they were impossible for the job because of the many flaws related to their gender...
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Hmm did the US have more personal freedom before or after "Women's suffrage"?
Lets ponder that.
Bronk
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Originally posted by lazs2
well.. I think that both moray and tigress are proving my point... scratch morays metrosexual PC veneer and a man starts to emerge...
tigress... watches this and has not a clue as to what is going on.. she gets confused and nervous.. tries to calm it down.. tries to pretend here hero is not just a man under all the talk... what does she want? she wants to make us stop... to act more "sensible" less like men... more like women and more into security over agression and freedom.
moray.. as usual.. is offended by what I say.. he takes it personal even tho he probly didn't understand what I said... he starts the sex thing and then acts like a victim when it goes back at him...
In the past... it has been the same... global warming... he can't come up with a good arguement so he attacks and puffs up and claims that it is too complex for anyone not educated as he is to understand. This is... to me...addmiting defeat.
sooo... tigress admits she doesn't understand the real man under the surface except that... she can see it happening and... well... doesn't like it... she would pass a law against it if she could... "boys... don't fight!" that is pretty much what I am saying... that is pretty much why voting is not a good idea.
women are always willing to trade freedom, especially personal freedom... for security and peace.
moray is just a suckbutt and background noise.. he is simply trying to smoooze the women and sound modern but under it.. he is more driven and egomaniacal than anyone.. more prone to anger. More prone to one up.. if you have sex once a week he has it ten.. he can beat you up... he has a better education and swimming in the ocean... he knows secrets about global warming that only a man who swims and has a ten year old degree could understand.
lazs
LOL. Stirring the pot eh?
Though, I do have a better education than you, as you've admitted,
I don't know any secrets of global warming. As I've stated before repeatedly with you, I'm A MARINE BIOLOGIST. (though that may put me in a better position to comment on science than your waste management experience.) You missed that point. By the way, what is it with your intrinsic need to always go back to our global warming debate?
I don't know if I can "beat you up" as you so succinctly put it, but I do know that 15 years playing ice hockey, an undergrad scholarship to a major university and 3 years in a pro hockey club does make you tougher to knock down. Step up to me and I can take care of myself, sir. You missed that point.
You have one point correct.... I am asuredly more driven than you. This is established by the fact that I take the time to read a book here and there, (otherwise known as the time you took to post 22,000 times) and take the time to form an opinion that wasn't formulated on some website by another underachiever.
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bronk... that about says it.
That should end the thread... everyone will have to make that decision themselves and... no one will agree.. the individualist will say no... the PC socialist will say that yes.. things are much better.
lazs
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Originally posted by MORAY37
I don't know if I can "beat you up" as you so succinctly put it, but I do know that 15 years playing ice hockey, an undergrad scholarship to a major university and 3 years in a pro hockey club does make you tougher to knock down. Step up to me and I can take care of myself, sir. You missed that point.
(http://www.prometheus6.org/images/toughguy1.jpg)
Righhhhtttt.
:rolleyes:
Bronk
Edit: Moray, education and intellect are not mutually exclusive.
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Originally posted by lazs2
angus... I am not "shouting" and I am being perfectly reasonable and polite. I am pointing out that you and her and moray are making my points for me.
The men here love a fight... tigress wants to make it against the law... if she could.. Hell... come on..
How many men here would love to see me and moray rent a ring and have at it?
even more to the point.. how many men would love to simply see one of us get in a good zinger and humiliate the other right here? of course you would unless you lack the testostrazone god gave us.
It is fun and.. it works. mostly it works.. respect is gained or lost based on how it is handled... it is the manly way... moray can't even help himself... he is easy to strip the veneer from. he is perfectly willing to prove my point...to jump out of character.
to your credit tho angus.. you are pretty consistent.. the clueless straight man... I don't think it is because you are not bright... I most certainly think you are... I just think it is a cultural and language thing.
lazs
I think we would indeed enjoy a drinking night together, while looking into opacity. However you would be clueless if American english would not be applied as a main language....
Should we settle for French or German?
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Originally posted by Bronk
Hmm did the US have more personal freedom before or after "Women's suffrage"?
Lets ponder that.
Bronk
Could be interesting string there. I would think that would depend upon personal perspective. If you were female, I'm sure your perspective would be intrinsically different than if you were an anglo saxon caucasion male. Freedom given to one group would, by necessity, mitigate "freedom" held by another group, that had been, heretofor, had the power residing solely within it's ranks.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
LOL. Stirring the pot eh?
I don't know if I can "beat you up" as you so succinctly put it, but I do know that 15 years playing ice hockey, an undergrad scholarship to a major university and 3 years in a pro hockey
Earlier in the thread it was semi-pro. Be careful to keep track of your embellishments. Some of us grew up in Minnesota, played hockey all of our lives, including Junior-A, and might call you on it.
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angus.. I agree.. it is not an indication of your ability... the language thing.. I do honestly try to cut you slack on that... sometimes the black and white stuff... we just don't agree tho...language or not.
How bout spanish.. I can speak it like a 4 year old.
lazs
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Earlier in the thread it was semi-pro. Be careful to keep track of your embellishments. Some of us grew up in Minnesota, played hockey all of our lives, including Junior-A, and might call you on it.
No embellishment sir. Not many know the distinction here, you do. Junior B.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
No embellishment sir. Not many know the distinction here, you do. Junior B.
Common ground! I love it. I'm sure you can understand why your choice words might raise an eyebrow to those who play.
Where did you play?
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With no offense implied or intended to any man... God bless you all!
I am of the opinion that human testostorone is the single most dangerous substance on the planet.
...let me repeat that:
I am of the opinion that human testostorone is the single most dangerous substance on the planet.
If it didn't cause such aggression as has lead to virtually every war ever to occur on the planet, there would be no need for an armed services in anyone's country.
Without it, we most likely would not have survived the stone age.
It's a damned if you; damned if you don't situation. It is a part of human reality.
I believe in a strong military... the reason for that is a need for security.
I don't want to make men into women. I like men... manly men. I would like to see men masters of their own testostrone... you have a brain... its about more than just being aggressive.
You were born with a heart too... its not a weakness.
Why is that a child needs both a mother and... a father?
(notice I said child... not boy or girl)
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by Bronk
Hmm did the US have more personal freedom before or after "Women's suffrage"?
Lets ponder that.
Bronk
You guys crack me up! :rofl
Are you any less manly since the 19th Amendment was passed?
Let's ponder that.
hahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa
I swear... these late comers to the thread reminds me of a goon squad called in to add more muscle to break the windows and throw the furniture around!
I am just one woman... the only one active on the thread... how many more of you do you think it takes to dominate me into submission? :rofl :rofl
Waiting for me to say You Win?
You win... you big strong guys are da scary! :rofl :rofl
You have muscles and can beat me up! teehee
Might Makes Right! :aok
If your wives knew what you were doing to me I doubt rover would have his dog house tonight. lol
Seriously though BRONK, I am sure that is not your intention... this has been a heavy thread... a lot has been said. That is a very good thing!
I am a bit battle weary! hahahahaha
hugs,
TIGERESS
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Know why men relented and voted on and passed the 19th Amendment?
Because they would have been cut off from you know what... for the rest of their lives. :rofl
There is power and then there is power. :furious
Or should I say?
There is weakness and then there is weakness. How so??
because of this... (http://youtube.com/watch?v=-2GmzyeeXnQ) :)
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by Angus
A mother fighting for her cubs is in the fight with her heart. So will a true father be.
I have 2 little toddly daughters. They have no idea about what papa would be able to get into for protecting them as well as their rights, such as voting when they have the age for it.
Of that, Angus, I have absolutely no doubt.
A raging man is a sight to behold.
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by Tigeress
Because they would have been cut off from you know what... for the rest of their lives. :rofl
There is power and then there is power. :furious
TIGERESS
If women knew how powerful the vaj is, they'd rule the world.
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Originally posted by lazs2
well.. I think that both moray and tigress are proving my point... scratch morays metrosexual PC veneer and a man starts to emerge...
tigress... watches this and has not a clue as to what is going on.. she gets confused and nervous.. tries to calm it down.. tries to pretend her hero is not just a man under all the talk... what does she want? she wants to make us stop... to act more "sensible" less like men... more like women and more into security over agression and freedom.
moray.. as usual.. is offended by what I say.. he takes it personal even tho he probly didn't understand what I said... he starts the sex thing and then acts like a victim when it goes back at him...
In the past... it has been the same... global warming... he can't come up with a good arguement so he attacks and puffs up and claims that it is too complex for anyone not educated as he is to understand. This is... to me...addmiting defeat.
sooo... tigress admits she doesn't understand the real man under the surface except that... she can see it happening and... well... doesn't like it... she would pass a law against it if she could... "boys... don't fight!" that is pretty much what I am saying... that is pretty much why voting is not a good idea.
women are always willing to trade freedom, especially personal freedom... for security and peace.
moray is just a suckbutt and background noise.. he is simply trying to smoooze the women and sound modern but under it.. he is more driven and egomaniacal than anyone.. more prone to anger. More prone to one up.. if you have sex once a week he has it ten.. he can beat you up... he has a better education and swimming in the ocean... he knows secrets about global warming that only a man who swims and has a ten year old degree could understand.
lazs
Actually, Laz, you are grasping at straws, methinks. What ever did I say that lead you to believe I don't respect and admire men as men?
For someone who professes to understand women and then tells me I don't understand men... seems a bit of a reach, don't you think?
I mean... its not like you have overies...
I can see you are digging in your heels. You are never going to admit you are wrong. That's ok... I never expected you too. Its against your nature.
Fortunately, my right to vote is not up to you dear! :D
Your GreatGrandfather's generation saw to it that we got the vote.
I wish I could thank him! :p
Thank you GreatGrandPa Laz!!!!
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by Tigeress
I can see you are digging in your heels. You are never going to admit you are wrong. [estrogen]That's ok... I never expected you too. Its against your nature. [/estrogen]
There you go, trying to calm down Lazs and proving his point.
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Originally posted by Tigeress
I can see you are digging in your heels. You are never going to admit you are wrong. [estrogen]That's ok... I never expected you too. Its against your nature. [/estrogen]
Originally posted by Holden McGroin
There you go, trying to calm down Lazs and proving his point.
I laughed hysterically when I read that!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rofl :rofl
Too cute!
Bless you dear.
TIGERESS
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I have found this thread very interesting reading. I have my own ideas about womens' sufferage and they agree in part to both sides of the argument.
I have two daughters. I was not blessed with a son but I was blessed with two wonderful daughters. Perhaps it was better that way, I don't know, there was never the bonding between father and son in my life but there was bonding between father and daughters in my life.
I always taught my daughters that they could do anything they put thier minds to. I also taught them that there were things that boys were more physically prepared for than girls and vice versa.
Thier first car was a car I bought that needed an engine overhaul, brakes and suspension work. We all worked together on that car and when it was all put back togther they got to drive it. It was my car but they were allowed to use it provided they payed for the cost of any repairs. I taught them to drive it, it had a manual transmission. They both bought cars of their own with manual transmissions because they prefered it over automatics. No proding from me was involved.
They both joined the National Guard. Both went through basic training and both retired when they became pregnant. They did get a taste of military life though it was truncated.
They both have good heads on their shoulders. They don't necessaraly agree with me on politics but normaly vote conservative.
Women are really cool creatures. I have loved them since the day I realized there was a difference between them and me. I have always honestly felt they could do anything they wanted if they set thier minds to it within their physical limitations. Are they hardwired like Lazs says they are? Probably, never really paid that much attention to that.
I would never want to remove from my daughters their right to vote. I believe they have the right to. I beleive they are smart but I can see where they may vote in a manner to protect those they love.
So far they vote like I do and they do it on thier own, they don't ask me for my advice.
I work well with all my fellow employees. The fact they are male or female doesn't affect me but their ability to do the job and do it well does. There are some females I avoid in the workplace, there are some males I avoid in the workplace. It is a matter of the individual. Do I generalize? I've been known to and I won't go into what those were. I do try not to but I find it hard not to too many times.
My $.25 worth
Mark
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Now THAT was a great input!
Mark Luper :aok
And Lazs: How about Swedish?
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Hi Mark,
Thank you for your input. You are a wise man and human being. You remind me of my Father.
Like your daughters, I also drive a stick shift... always have; was taught to drive on one and prefer it.
The issue I have taken... is Laz's devaluation of Woman to that of a sub-species; good for only one thing... to be a slave for Man's personal uses only.
His expressed views are that of a Taliban tribesman and that attitude has been the cause of countless lost lives and great suffering for many centuries.
It is sociopathic and frankly, quite frightening.
I am not a slave for Man to "use" and would rather die than be treated as a such. I literally mean each and every word of that...
I admire and love Man; I do not want him to be less than he is.
Man and Woman are simply... different; thank God in His Wisdom.
What I do for a man in my life, I do for reasons of love and caring... it's not a weakness... not something to be trampled upon and exploited.
Man and Woman were meant to be a team.
For Each; The Other
TIGERESS
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Very well stated Mark,
That’s just right on. I have three daughters, ages 2, 5 & 8. I think that I am every bit as much an important role model and educator to them as I would have been to sons. I’m not quite as important to them as their mother, but I’m critically important.
My wife’s father also was an important role model and educator to her. She chose a husband as similar to her father as possible. My father in law and I are very much alike. Because of my father in law’s influence my wife didn’t hesitate to study architecture and work in that male dominated field. She’s not afraid to use power tools or to drive a stick. Her sense of values, however, has made it an easy choice to give up her career and a second income in order to raise our daughters full time. She has more common sense, is more emotionally stable and is generally brighter than almost all men I know.
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"I am of the opinion that human testostorone is the single most dangerous substance on the planet.
If it didn't cause such aggression as has lead to virtually every war ever to occur on the planet, there would be no need for an armed services in anyone's country.
Without it, we most likely would not have survived the stone age.
It's a damned if you; damned if you don't situation. It is a part of human reality.
I believe in a strong military... the reason for that is a need for security.
I don't want to make men into women. I like men... manly men. I would like to see men masters of their own testostrone... you have a brain... its about more than just being aggressive.
You were born with a heart too... its not a weakness.
Why is that a child needs both a mother and... a father?
(notice I said child... not boy or girl)
TIGERESS"
Again... proving my point. but tigress... I have never said that I understood women... no further than the hardwired part about being willing to trade security for freedom. I also will admit that I have never worked in an office as such.. more now than ever.. I don't want to work around women in the types of work I have done in the past...
conversly....I don't have any problem with women and office work.. I think men should not be doing it... If they are doing office work then of course... they had better get along with women.. they really are in a womans domain.. an office is nothing more than an extension of the nest. It is why I feel shut in in them.
Like it or not... it is, and always has been, a mans world.. The power struggle and the acting against authority and yes... the crime... it is all mans domain... it is the testosterone that tigress doesn't understand.
I can see no good that has come from the blurring of the sexes. as you treat women as equals... you see them as a weaker equal.. not as a seperate type of human.. that is a very large distinction.
If you say that they are equal fighters... you are saying that any that can't fight are inferior.. they are, after all, equals right? many use this new PC status to... really.. abuse women.... they are equal.. we can treat em equal.
reality is..fortunately.. even the ones who espouse it really don't believe it.. the defense of tigress is... a chivilrous action by many here who really don't believe a word they are saying for instance. I am sure that they are reading what she is saying and going "oh christ.. she doesn't even get it"
lazs
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Laz,
I have never... disputed man's dominate power relative to woman.
All I have ever really said... is we are equally human.
I am not less human than you.
TIGERESS
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no you are not but you are different.. and you are different because of your gender and not some personality thing.
I love and respect women... I respect women less who deny their gender tho. Not so much if it is some thing they want but more if it is to prove something.
lazs
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Laz,
I have never... disputed man's dominate power relative to woman.
All I have ever really said... is we are equally human.
I am not less human than you.
TIGERESS
no you are not but you are different.. and you are different because of your gender and not some personality thing.
I love and respect women... I respect women less who deny their gender tho. Not so much if it is some thing they want but more if it is to prove something.
lazs
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Laz,
I am quoting myself here... "Man and Woman are simply... different"
We, you and I, have reached common ground.
The only thing I have ever tried to prove here is that I am human.
Not a sub-species of human.
I do not deny my gender... nor do I deny your gender.
Thus, I thank you for your love and respect; Man's love and respect for Woman; a Human's love and respect for a Human.
Thus, you have earned my love and respect; Woman's love and respect for Man; a Human's love and respect for a Human.
It is the way God intended Humankind to be...
For Each; The Other
TIGERESS
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Is she different to you because of your gender, or are you different to her because of your gender?
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TBH I wouldn't have gotten it without the definition of suffrage at the beginning. I won't claim to have the best vocabulary, but it certainly isn't lacking that much. Kind of funny joke, but not many people know what the word means, especially younger folks.
Its like any schoolyard joke using a word that sounds dirty that isn't to make others feel dumb. Kind of a mean joke to pull.
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angus... amounts to exactly the same thing. Focus on how man is different from woman or how woman is different from man.. works out the same.
Women are nesters.. they want security over freedom and so I simply don't want them to have any control over my life in that regard.
oh.. and moray... I don't really think you are better educated than me... just more educated. I think that you sat through a lot of classes 10 years ago.
lazs
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And that is why my wife left her save and economically stable German society to live in a hut with a less educated and economically unstable semi-rogue beef farmer in a country with a very long winter. :D
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you are her security and...your government is every bit as nanny state as germany. I see nothing odd in any of that at all... I didn't see her leaving germany for a more free country and then making a ranch for herself and running it.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
angus... amounts to exactly the same thing. Focus on how man is different from woman or how woman is different from man.. works out the same.
Women are nesters.. they want security over freedom and so I simply don't want them to have any control over my life in that regard.
oh.. and moray... I don't really think you are better educated than me... just more educated. I think that you sat through a lot of classes 10 years ago.
lazs
Hi Laz,
We can agree on something in addition to the previous finding of common ground...
We women are indeed... nest builders.
We are wired by the Creator to do that... it is in our nature. Yet further common ground is shared by so agreeing and affirming.
That is not the sum total of what we are though...
Now... the inquiry I would make is this...
For what reasons do you feel that "nest building instinct" = "loss of your Freedom for the sake of security of your mate and children"?
Please be brief and to the point... :)
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by lazs2
you are her security and...your government is every bit as nanny state as germany. I see nothing odd in any of that at all... I didn't see her leaving germany for a more free country and then making a ranch for herself and running it.
lazs
My point, missed by you, is that she left a very secure situation for a highly insecure one. Additional info is that she took great risks and a very big challenge.
It is probably a more free country (we are not in the EU for instance), a lot wilder IMHO, and yes, she owns the main asset on the farm as well as having good way of running it.
(of course I want to top her, - you just wait :D)
Anyway, generalization like you have been promoting about women and their "inferiorities" does not always esily apply. And certainly enough to touch subjects like the right to vote.
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Originally posted by Angus
My point, missed by you, is that she left a very secure situation for a highly insecure one. Additional info is that she took great risks and a very big challenge.
It is probably a more free country (we are not in the EU for instance), a lot wilder IMHO, and yes, she owns the main asset on the farm as well as having good way of running it.
(of course I want to top her, - you just wait :D)
Anyway, generalization like you have been promoting about women and their "inferiorities" does not always esily apply. And certainly enough to touch subjects like the right to vote.
Hi Angus,
I would enjoy meeting you two sometime. She sounds like the Pioneer Woman of the days of spreading European civilization into North America.
...Women who left the relative safety and security of Europe to help establish Jamestown... and virtually every other human endeavour of that ilk since the dawn of time.
The Indispensable Role of Women at Jamestown and Virginia (http://www.nps.gov/archive/colo/Jthanout/Women.html) "...the plantation can never florish till families be planted and the respect of wives and children fix the people on the soil." -Sir Edwin Sandys, Treasurer, Virginia Company of London, 1620
Excerpt - Jamestown would not have survived as a permanent settlement without the daring women who were willing to leave behind their English homes and face the challenges of a strange new land. These women created a sense of stability in the untamed wilderness of Virginia. They helped the settlers see Virginia not just as a temporary place for profit or adventure, but as a country in which to forge a new home.
Both you and Mrs Angus are intrepid (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/intrepid).
TIGERESS
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Just some light-hearted humor to break the mood a bit... :rofl
LAZ, leading a Women's Rights Parade (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hyJIZ0tEGE)
God Bless Ya dear! :aok
TIGERESS
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I think yo would get along fine ;)
(I actually think I would get along fine with Lazs as well. We'd have a fast rack of agreeing as well as disagreeing)
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Originally posted by Angus
I think yo would get along fine ;)
(I actually think I would get along fine with Lazs as well. We'd have a fast rack of agreeing as well as disagreeing)
I believe Laz and I could be friends as well. I like people who speak their mind... and are willing to seek a common ground. He has demonstrated both.
I already like him... even though he can be a brat! lol
In the end... we will no doubt find reasons to agree to disagree on some things... and some things on which we agree. This isn't a war... it's a discussion.
TIGERESS
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I should have mentioned it in the Jamestown post...
Rebecca Rolfe, FKA Pocahontas, played no small role in the survival of Jamestown.
Pocahontas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocahontas)
TIGERESS
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angus.. My point was the your wife didn't come to your country on her own and start over.
I have moved places on my own... I know lots of men who have started over all by themselves... moved to places like alaska and such with no idea what was there.
tigress... women will trade freedom for security.. even for perceived security.. they will vote socialist. I don't know how much more plain I can make it.
If they could they would pass laws making us wear seatbelts and helmets and take away our guns or right to smoke in private owned places.
lazs
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She practically did Lazs... There was not much to come for.
She dove headfirst in the pit in which I had been tempted into and got stuck. Sort of like that. Trading security and possibly any career at all for the chance. Funny, but I can't remember any guy I know that took that much of a plunge.
Point = women differ as well as men do.
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you are proving my point again... she came because of you.. you are her security... she left a no nest situation to come build one with her mate.
That is your "pioneer woman" too. Many lost men along the way but they KNEW that the other men would take care of them. For men.. it was a bit different.
lazs
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Originally posted by Tigeress
Not making a list... just observing.
TIGERESS
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she is observing who she plans to whack first.
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Originally posted by lazs2
angus.. My point was the your wife didn't come to your country on her own and start over.
I have moved places on my own... I know lots of men who have started over all by themselves... moved to places like alaska and such with no idea what was there.
tigress... women will trade freedom for security.. even for perceived security.. they will vote socialist. I don't know how much more plain I can make it.
If they could they would pass laws making us wear seatbelts and helmets and take away our guns or right to smoke in private owned places.
lazs
hahahaha!!! "who she plans to whack first" :rofl
Stand back! This is going to be a whacking! hahahahahahaaaaaa
Hi Laz,
Thanks for your reply. It's clear and to the point.
On your re-occuring theme that we women will trade freedom for security thus vote socialist...
Women do not run the Socialist Party...
Nor do we run the Democratic Party.
Socialism has been a world force long before we women were given the right to vote in this country.
Carl Marx, Lenin, and Stalin were men.
There is no "Women's Party", per se.
We women are Republicans, Democrats, Socialists, etc., etc., etc.
I AM NOT A SOCIALIST …But, even if I were, so what?
You are going to take away the right to vote of anyone who does not agree with your politics?
Since women are more easily repressed, you focus on us? Ohhh my...
Even if I were a Socialist... this country is founded on the principle that each and every American Citizen is entitled to "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness". Not some people... For All People.
If my right to vote is prevented, I am not happy! :mad:
I, and many other women, do not like being told what to do by the government or anybody else which includes you.
I speak for myself when I say: what other people do is Their Business... Not mine. If you want to drive your motorcycle without a helmet, go for it. I will vote for a change in the law to permit you to do so.
Smoking in private places? NO ONE has a right to tell you or me or anyone else whether you can smoke or not in private places. That is extremism and it doesn't fly, in my book.
I want this country to be as free from government tinkering into my life and your life and everyone else's life, as possible!
I vote Republican and Democrat depending on the political balance and the candidates. A lot of other women also do this.
In my view, this country would wind up as a Communist country if everyone voted Democrat/Socialist... NO THANKS!
It would end up being a Fascist Country if everyone voted Republican... NO THANKS!
In my view, we need a balance to keep the extreme minded wingnuts under control. I won't take away their right to vote to do it though. That would invalidate the basis of yours and my Republic.
If you or anyone else is an extremist wingnut, then, in my view, you/they need to be overruled. Such extremists do not represent the main stream interests of the 300+ million inhabitants of this country.
What kind of a real democracy limit citizen's voting power only to those, whom in their own opinion, "think they know best"?
There are some citizen groups who are denied voting rights in the United States... those convicted of felonies and those below the age limit.
Preventing women from voting sounds pretty freekin' extreme to me, Mister.
Are you an extremist? God, I hope not... because if you are... you will not get any respect from me on your political views. But I won't take away your right to vote nor disallow you to speak your mind as you see fit.
With all due Respect and a couple of hugs,
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by Tigeress
Are you an extremist? God, I hope not... because if you are... you will not get any respect from me on your political views.
I need to clarify that... I was speaking in terms of any extreme polticial views...
I can see we (so far) appear to agreeing on politics in general
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by lazs2
you are proving my point again... she came because of you.. you are her security... she left a no nest situation to come build one with her mate.
That is your "pioneer woman" too. Many lost men along the way but they KNEW that the other men would take care of them. For men.. it was a bit different.
lazs
The other way around. She made the jump from the nest into a poddle and basically built a new one.
She had a full nest situation, and I had a no-nest situation.
However, I agree that this is perhaps not the norm. But in our case (of which I know endlessly more than you, - I certainly hope so :D), I know all that you do not, and that is a tribute to a woman that I know very well.
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tigress... being one of the few women in AH out of thousands of players does not qualify you as the "norm".
Angus does the same thing as you... he takes his extremely abnormal situation and says.. "see.. you are wrong in your generalzation" I don't know his situation but.. in the end.. she came to a place but got a man.
The generalizations are sound. you simply are amung the very few who do not fit it.
As for taking away the right for socialists to vote because they don't agree with me... I would feel justified in taking their life. They would feel the same... they are the enemy.. it is not a matter of "vote" or "comprimise" it is a matter of freedom. I look at it like they are voting on things that they have no right to vote on.
If everyone voted that it was a law for instance, that everyone attend church or be imprisoned.... well... they would say.. "it is proven that people who attend church regularly are better citizens and happier.. it is for you own good."
They would not just hold a different view than me.. they would be my enemy. I would feel justified in killing them when they came to arrest me. I probly could not... I couldn't win but.. I would feel justified.
same for seatbelts.. I don't wear em in my Lincoln... I could be arrested.. if I resist... I will be killed. Bad laws that take away freedom are only enforced if the people who make them are willing to fight to the death to enforce em... sooo... if you resist.. you die... I would say that is pretty important and not just a little thing that we are discussing.
I don't so much care if women vote so much as I care if their vote affects me. If I could be sure that no unconstitutional things were ever voted on then it would not matter what was voted on.
lazs
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Me not fitting into generalization? Or my wife? Or Tigress.
That's 3 people,- well you should know how many don't.....
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Oh, and if you don't wear seatbelts around here, you might get a fine. It will not bring you up to an arrest. If you are arrested and resist, you don't get killed easily, since the cop's aren't armed:D
Where the heck do you live! What a socialist nanny environment!
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Originally posted by lazs2
I don't so much care if women vote so much as I care if their vote affects me.
lazs
Hi Lazs,
This is a much more rational and humane stance than your previous one …That women should not be allowed to vote.
Thank you!!!!! …For clarifying your stance.
As far as norms go... I don’t think a true desire to prevent women from voting is the norm among the population in Aces High.
Lazs, I do not enjoin you from your strongly held political beliefs; quite the reverse; extremism notwithstanding.
Women who feel repressed and oppressed and de-humanized seek freedom from repression and oppression and de-humanization... for some "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" comes into play. The socialist agenda is assuredly pro-equality.
If many women did not feel so repressed and oppressed and de-humanized by men, I doubt socialist pandering to relieve it would be a viable strategy for socialists.
Many (not all) men's historically inhumane and sociopathic attitudes about women thus, treating women as a sub-species, created that battle field, dear.
I am not an activist... I was encouraged and enabled by men in my life, starting with my Father, to reach and seek my human capabilities... thus it is no wonder I view men with a lot more tolerance than women who feel the heavy weight of chains of repression and oppression and de-humanization.
Man created this problem... Man is going to have to fix it …Just as they did when they voted to allow women to vote. That was a real step forward.
Frankly, I am not sure how much longer I am going to be able to tolerate the massive level of testosterone exhibited in Aces High main arenas.
The BBS is not so bad... a better balance.
When I was able to have an h2h server, I could create a congenial atmosphere of mutual respect... Men and women who enjoyed the company of each other and were respectful and just had fun... that is out of the question in the main arenas.
I received many many compliments on my server. Ironically, most of those compliments were from men who flew in the MA and had stopped by for some fun and relaxation.
I am sooo... not used to being subjected to it... sometimes makes me feel like I have wandered into the dressing room of a pro-football team.
I am sure you would jump at the chance to open the exit door for me.
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by Tigeress
Man created this problem... Man is going to have to fix it
What problem?
When I was able to have an h2h server, I could create a congenial atmosphere of mutual respect
What did you do on the 7th day? :rofl
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You know the joke, - "What can I get for one rib"
:D
Sorry Tigress, just could not resist :t
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Originally posted by Tigeress
You need to keep up! Go read the thread...
I have been reading....in between fits of laughter. :)
I just don`t see a problem. :aok
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Originally posted by Tigeress
The fact that you don't see the problem is a major part of the problem.B]
Tis not a problem.
Wonder why we women are so selective when it comes to men?
You keep telling yourself that. A selective woman........Ummmm.....Hmmmmm mm. :rofl
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You guys have helped me make up my mind...
I am opting out of Aces High...
So much for wanting to have a good time and enjoying flying.
I wish you all well... and very sorry to have disturbed you.
TIGERESS
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Hey!!! Fetch me a beer before you run outta here!
Mac
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Originally posted by Tigeress
You, Sir, should get on your knees and be thankful your Mother did not abort you!
My mother is a woman. Accepts being a woman and is proud of it.
She knows the difference between a man and a woman.
If we had a crystal ball
I assume the "we" in that represents the small margin of women who wish to be men.
Women are fine. Wouldn`t want to do without them. They are just emotional balls of hormones waiting to go off at the next changing of wind direction or something major like that.
ooooppps ..I see the wind changed. :)
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tigress.. why do you feel that I want you out of AH? "hold the door for you" as you say.
this, again, shows how little you know of me. I am probly one of the more respectful of women players in the game... I would challenge you to find any woman in the game that I have treated badly.
The opposite is true in fact... while I treat men very badly at times.. I never interact with the women at all... I believe that they get more than enough unwanted attention.... I do not want to add to that.
you claim one reason for why women vote socialist.. that it is mans fault for oppressing them.. I claim it is genetics that make them seek security over freedom..
In the end... it works out the same.. they vote to take away my freedom... I wish they didn't have the chance.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
tigress.. why do you feel that I want you out of AH? "hold the door for you" as you say.
this, again, shows how little you know of me. I am probly one of the more respectful of women players in the game... I would challenge you to find any woman in the game that I have treated badly.
The opposite is true in fact... while I treat men very badly at times.. I never interact with the women at all... I believe that they get more than enough unwanted attention.... I do not want to add to that.
you claim one reason for why women vote socialist.. that it is mans fault for oppressing them.. I claim it is genetics that make them seek security over freedom..
In the end... it works out the same.. they vote to take away my freedom... I wish they didn't have the chance.
lazs
Laz,
You scared off one women, I am betting the next to go is Moray. :D
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Women are fine. Wouldn`t want to do without them. They are just emotional balls of hormones waiting to go off at the next changing of wind direction or something major like that.
Like that male cop who just went on a killing spree or the male nut job at Virginia Tech.
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I certainly hope that I am not to blame for her leaving... I never had a word with her in the game and thought that I was pretty polite to her here... she even said that she liked me well enough.
moray is kinda special tho.. a real mean spirited gal... I would hold the door for her.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I certainly hope that I am not to blame for her leaving... I never had a word with her in the game and thought that I was pretty polite to her here... she even said that she liked me well enough.
moray is kinda special tho.. a real mean spirited gal... I would hold the door for her.
lazs
For the last time Laz, I WON'T go out with you.
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Not surprised you guys chased another woman away. Just like back when you were young enough to date, huh?
Your idealism and your visions are antiquated. I truly hope they die with you.
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4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.
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Originally posted by Tigeress
You guys have helped me make up my mind...
I am opting out of Aces High...
So much for wanting to have a good time and enjoying flying.
I wish you all well... and very sorry to have disturbed you.
TIGERESS
Hate to see you go Tigeress. I enjoy having women in the game but I can understand you leaving if you feel repressed or unwelcome. I can only imagine what it might be like to be one of a very few men in a woman dominated game. Take care and I hope you can find a game you can enjoy with people to enjoy it with.
Mark
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Originally posted by Tigeress
You guys have helped me make up my mind...
I am opting out of Aces High...
So much for wanting to have a good time and enjoying flying.
I wish you all well... and very sorry to have disturbed you.
TIGERESS
Dang, the irony here is too much.
"Tigress says: Equality eqaulity equality equality.... oh wait, you hurt my feelings, I'm leaving!"
Man up here Tigress. Although a couple of us differed from your views the discussion w/ the players was quite civil for the most part. The latecomers who just posted for the sake of adding fuel to the fire (where there really wasn't a fire) are just trolling. Are you going to let a troll like Jackal bounce you out simply because he took a couple of cheap, and very droll shots? If so, you fold tent quite easily.
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There have been some men and boys that quit as well.
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Good thing that nobody said ........Alt F4.
We have women in the game that I don`t see having any problems at all.
It`s just hard to carry all that baggage and try to fit the Equality protest signs in the cockpit such as this one seems to be trying to do.
Funny thing is that I have never noticed her in the game at all. Must not be much turmoil and torment going on.
It`s a game. Play. Enjoy. Leave the BS out of the arena and I don`t see a prob.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Dang, the irony here is too much.
"Tigress says: Equality eqaulity equality equality.... oh wait, you hurt my feelings, I'm leaving!"
Man up here Tigress. Although a couple of us differed from your views the discussion w/ the players was quite civil for the most part. The latecomers who just posted for the sake of adding fuel to the fire (where there really wasn't a fire) are just trolling. Are you going to let a troll like Jackal bounce you out simply because he took a couple of cheap, and very droll shots? If so, you fold tent quite easily.
Hi Steve,
You certianly hit the nail on the head... you words echo with a familarity of the words of my Father, may he rest in peace. He knew it would be tough at times, and he is right, you are too.
He used to tell me when I was afraid or had had my feelings hurt "Chin up, girl. Dust yourself off and get back in there... you can do it. I will always love you... no matter what." He has been my inspiration my entire life.
I am sure I speak for many women who have not turned bitter and not chosen to hate men when I say... we are capable of so much without turning our backs on that which we are.
Although it is true that I am envious of the ease men are accepted in certian circles without having to prove themselves and by virtue of simply being male... I am happy, I am what and who I am. I can't imagine it any other way.
I unsubbed yesterday... and yes, I cried. I am so fond of so many people here, Steve... that includes you and Lazs. And it includes Moray, and SaburoS, Mark Luper, Angus, Max, Widewing, croduh, B2B, Batfink, Agent360, Xargos, 1SADS, Skyrock, m00t, TwoDogs5, TeeArr, rgr, Hombre... the list just goes on and on.
I don't play "hardball" with men very often... if you know what I mean.
I usually loose more than I gain. Instead I try to show respect and simply try to avoid men who seem bent on wanting to create problems for me or who want me to seek life elsewhere.
And, Lazs? I sent you a PM... I did not unsub because of you dear.
I need to sort things out... I don't know about re-subbing yet... I don't even know if I could get my call sign back... it has become part of my identity.
Don't be too hard on this Jackal1 person... I don't even know him and have nothing against him. If he wants to alienate me, that is his choice and his loss... I will respect that and avoid him. If that is the case then, please... just leave me alone and I will do the same.
Love you all,
TIGERESS
EDIT: I don't carry an equality placard in my cockpit... I carry wing mounted 20mm Hispanos and 50cal MGs :) this thread has been a friendly, enjoyable, and lively discussion... I didn't start this thread, Jackal1. If you don't like this thread or what I have to say, then by all means, dear... and with all due respect... you can butt-out and seek life in another thread. :) no hard feelings, K?
Just put your bike out on the highway and feel that wind all in your face. Breathe some air that tastes like freedom. Yeah, let that be your saving grace.
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Originally posted by Tigeress
Hi Steve,
Although it is true that I am envious of the ease men are accepted in certian circles without having to prove themselves and by virtue of simply being male... I am happy, I am what and who I am. I can't imagine it any other way.
I unsubbed yesterday... and yes, I cried. I am so fond of so many people here, Steve... that includes you and Lazs. And it includes Moray, and SaburoS, Mark Luper, Angus, Max, Widewing, croduh, B2B, Batfink, Agent360, Xargos, 1SADS, Skyrock, m00t, TwoDogs5, TeeArr, rgr, Hombre... the list just goes on and on.
Your statement is semi true.
While from an outside perspective it may seem that men are easily accepted in certain circles. It isnt quite as it appears.
Yes men can be initially accepted in those circles. but they still have to prove themselves and earn the respect of the others in that circle to remain accepted.
As often as not part of that accpetance is the strength of the individual. How much they can take and just have it flow off them like water off a duck.
But men being accepted in a group of men is the same as women being accepted in a group of women.
Try being the only man in a room full of women sometime and you would see its not alot different then what you are thinking.
As for quitting the game. If your quitting because you cant afford it. Arent having any fun playing. Thats one thing.
but if you are quitting because yourhaving problems with some of the players int he game. Well you can always just report it to HTC.
I think by and large most of the men in the game have probably been pretty respectful to you.
Least thats thats the attitude towards women I've seen in the game.
You have maybe 3 or 4 jerks that act like jerks. You have some that conduct in what best can be discribed as playful jibing. Which is what you will find anyplace you put men and women together.
But really nothing more then that.
And others who just act indifferent.
Maybe your expecting everyone to act indifferent. But thats just not realistic anymore then a group of women would treat a man like a woman.
Point is. if your having fun playing the game. Then why quit?
Ignore the jerks and have fun with the rest.
Otherwise your just failing the water off the duck test.
Now from my outide perspective. It seems to me as though you have the strength to do so.
but you know you better then I do
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Your statement is semi true.
While from an outside perspective it may seem that men are easily accepted in certain circles. It isnt quite as it appears.
Yes men can be initially accepted in those circles. but they still have to prove themselves and earn the respect of the others in that circle to remain accepted.
As often as not part of that accpetance is the strength of the individual. How much they can take and just have it flow off them like water off a duck.
But men being accepted in a group of men is the same as women being accepted in a group of women.
Try being the only man in a room full of women sometime and you would see its not alot different then what you are thinking.
As for quitting the game. If your quitting because you cant afford it. Arent having any fun playing. Thats one thing.
but if you are quitting because yourhaving problems with some of the players int he game. Well you can always just report it to HTC.
I think by and large most of the men in the game have probably been pretty respectful to you.
Least thats thats the attitude towards women I've seen in the game.
You have maybe 3 or 4 jerks that act like jerks. You have some that conduct in what best can be discribed as playful jibing. Which is what you will find anyplace you put men and women together.
But really nothing more then that.
And others who just act indifferent.
Maybe your expecting everyone to act indifferent. But thats just not realistic anymore then a group of women would treat a man like a woman.
Point is. if your having fun playing the game. Then why quit?
Ignore the jerks and have fun with the rest.
Otherwise your just failing the water off the duck test.
Now from my outide perspective. It seems to me as though you have the strength to do so.
but you know you better then I do
Hi Dred,
Yup, you just witnessed me flunking the "water off the duck's back test."
It was probably more hormonal than anything else... and that is hard for me to admit.
I have seen many times when a guy or two were in the minority in a group of women. I am usually the first one to stand up for them and tell the other women to "back the hell off", out of earshot of those men.
I have been in an acclimating phase in the MAs. I was used to flying with small groups of people I know well... working as a team. This is different and seems, for a newcomer, to be... well. We have all been there when we first started in the MAs.
It isnt the money or not being fun... its finding that nitch and feeling... hummmm... well, like that old TV show Cheers... where everyone knows your name and you have that staked out bar stool with your name on it :rofl I'm not sure if I am being very clear.
I had that and lost it... working to regain it.
Thanks for your encouragement Dred. It won't be forgotten.
Same goes for all of you. hugs...
Sincerely,
TIGERESS
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this is the wild west... There are a lot of us who can post here but would not be welcome on the general board.. I think that there are a lot of "men" here who are too sensitive to be here too. they should stick with the general forum.
Thanks for the PM tigress. I think there is plenty of room in the game for women.. I think that they are no better than men tho so far as noble reasons to play... some play for the attention.. some use their gender for advantage and attention... lots of men are attention potatos in the game too... it is the nature of the thing.
Here tho... this is the wild west.. a place to get honest and un PC.. I honestly do not think it is a good place for women... it is more like a construction site.
lazs
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I sure am sorry to see anyone leave because of a couple of jerks.
I've flown with women squaddies and enjoyed their company and perspective. It adds to the game.
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Not sure that anyone acted like a jerk... no more than usual in any case. I think the most animosity was aimed at male posters by other male posters and it was no big deal...
I think that women tend to want to play with the boys but only want the rough stuff if they are dishing it out.. If any real equality enters the picture... they want to revert to gender special treatment.
men and women are different.. it ended like it started and everyone who tried to prove men and women aren't different ended up proving the exact opposite.
lazs
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Originally posted by Tigeress
Don't be too hard on this Jackal1 person... I don't even know him and have nothing against him. If he wants to alienate me, that is his choice and his loss... I will respect that and avoid him. If that is the case then, please... just leave me alone and I will do the same.
:rofl Me alienate you????? You did a fine job at that all by yourself.
I have no feelings about you one way or the other. I could care less if you wish the truth M`am. :D
I didn't start this thread, Jackal1. If you don't like this thread or what I have to say, then by all means, dear... and with all due respect... you can butt-out and seek life in another thread.
I personaly think the thread went just peachy. No complaints here.
Hate to see you quit the game due to you not being able to deal with reality. But hey.........that`s your choice.
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Originally posted by lazs2
this is the wild west... There are a lot of us who can post here but would not be welcome on the general board.. I think that there are a lot of "men" here who are too sensitive to be here too. they should stick with the general forum.
Thanks for the PM tigress. I think there is plenty of room in the game for women.. I think that they are no better than men tho so far as noble reasons to play... some play for the attention.. some use their gender for advantage and attention... lots of men are attention potatos in the game too... it is the nature of the thing.
Here tho... this is the wild west.. a place to get honest and un PC.. I honestly do not think it is a good place for women... it is more like a construction site.
lazs
I think what you mean by "here" is the O-Club, right?
Yeah, I don't do construction sites.
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by lazs2
Not sure that anyone acted like a jerk... no more than usual in any case. I think the most animosity was aimed at male posters by other male posters and it was no big deal...
I think that women tend to want to play with the boys but only want the rough stuff if they are dishing it out.. If any real equality enters the picture... they want to revert to gender special treatment.
men and women are different.. it ended like it started and everyone who tried to prove men and women aren't different ended up proving the exact opposite.
lazs
Hi Lazs,
I will be the first one to admit it and will admit it often. I don't like rough stuff... i.e. Verbal Battle; I don't like to dish it out and I don't like to get it.
Flying an airplane... even a cartoon one, is different. My cartoon plane shoots bullets just like everyone elses does.
Shoot me down? no problem... didn't hurt a bit and I don't ever take it personally... even if it is meant personally. hahahahaha
I am competitive, able and determined.
Don't want to get shot down by a woman?
Then don't fly near me cause if I get the chance, I will send you to the tower.
You don't have to be the best, nor do you have to be a man, to shoot anyone down. Even the best of the best get shot down.
I have already brought down a few of the "Aces"... and that does not mean I am better than them. I simply had the shot and I took it.
If I get shot down? I will just get another one and come back... CheckSix
I fly for the sport and challenge, it really is that simple.
I do not do it to be like a man nor to wave an equality placard and the airplane doesn't care who drives it.
Men and women are not the same... I have said that since day one; I will say it till the day I die.
But we both are equally human beings... no gender holds exclusive claim to power of intellect. There are men who are just as smart as women. hahahaha
Flying? Women can be just as good or better than men.
Last time I looked, an F-22 Raptor had fly-by-wire. You dont need to be able to lift 200 lbs to drive it. And, the F-22 doesn't know nor does she care if you have testicles or overies. It just does what you tell it to do. CheckSix
TIGERESS
EDIT: For a short read... see what is being discovered about... Women and Racing... (http://thundervalleyracing.com/archive/topstories/archive/20021226women.html)
An excerpt - An aspect of this gender separation is seen in how many people use it to cast aspersions on a male driver, what greater insult than to say he drives like a wimp, sissy, or girl?
So for many the idea of female racing drivers is uncomfortable as they see it as women taking on a masculine role and thereby diminishing their femininity, becoming a 'freak of nature'.
Motorsport, as another area of life, simply reflects society and the great thing about society is its fluidity. It is not rigid but takes a little coaxing and a lot of time to change and that is why women, competitive, able and determined, will continue to turn the race wheels but not in the name of some underlying feminist cause or to change the world but in the name of sport and challenge, it really is that simple.
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Originally posted by Tigeress
Women do not run the Socialist Party...
Nor do we run the Democratic Party.
Hillary Clinton must run the communist party then.
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Originally posted by ariansworld
Hillary Clinton must run the communist party then.
Psst, Socialist party.
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stirring the pot
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Originally posted by lazs2
Not sure that anyone acted like a jerk... no more than usual in any case. I think the most animosity was aimed at male posters by other male posters and it was no big deal...
I think that women tend to want to play with the boys but only want the rough stuff if they are dishing it out.. If any real equality enters the picture... they want to revert to gender special treatment.
men and women are different.. it ended like it started and everyone who tried to prove men and women aren't different ended up proving the exact opposite.
lazs
Actually I was referring to the jerks in the game.
the O'club is a horse of another color entirely.
Like you said. the wild west.
Actually it reminds me more of the stories of the old old days when the men would gather at the local pubs to dicuss,debate, and argue the events of the day.
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Originally posted by ariansworld
Hillary Clinton must run the communist party then.
I am not a Hillary fan... She is just another political weanie to me.
Far as I am concerned they are all weanies... I don't trust the lot as far as I could throw them... and I mean All of them.
If she weighs more than a house cat than I can't throw her far! :rofl
Maggie Thacher, I actually liked... And, Ronald Reagan.
I thought they made a good team.
But I can't picture them having you know what... hahahahaha
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by Tigeress
Hi Dred,
Yup, you just witnessed me flunking the "water off the duck's back test."
It was probably more hormonal than anything else... and that is hard for me to admit.
I have seen many times when a guy or two were in the minority in a group of women. I am usually the first one to stand up for them and tell the other women to "back the hell off", out of earshot of those men.
I have been in an acclimating phase in the MAs. I was used to flying with small groups of people I know well... working as a team. This is different and seems, for a newcomer, to be... well. We have all been there when we first started in the MAs.
It isnt the money or not being fun... its finding that nitch and feeling... hummmm... well, like that old TV show Cheers... where everyone knows your name and you have that staked out bar stool with your name on it :rofl I'm not sure if I am being very clear.
I had that and lost it... working to regain it.
Thanks for your encouragement Dred. It won't be forgotten.
Same goes for all of you. hugs...
Sincerely,
TIGERESS
Hormonal thing
Well thats cause your a woman. Its to be expected :p
Just hang in there. (the MA) It will grow on you.
And the more your seen in the MA the more at home you will feel. the more "everbody will know your name"
You will once again find those small groups of people you know you can trust to fly with.
And if you dont. Look me up. You can wing with me.
I may be an animal. But at least Im the animal you know LMAO
---Edit---
I couldnt leave that last line without including this clip LOL
Animals (http://www.soundamerica.com/soundamerica/sounds/play.cfm?tpath=/sounds/movies/J-R/Legend/animals.wav&tname=animals.wav)
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Hormonal thing
Well thats cause your a woman. Its to be expected :p
You brat! :rofl
Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Just hang in there. (the MA) It will grow on you.
And the more your seen in the MA the more at home you will feel. the more "everbody will know your name"
You will once again find those small groups of people you know you can trust to fly with.
And if you dont. Look me up. You can wing with me.
I may be an animal. But at least Im the animal you know LMAO
Dang... I suddenly feel a little like Maverick did after Goose died.
I am Sure you remember TOP GUN...
I have that video and have watched it I don't know how many times, and know a lot of the lines...
"Kick the Tires and Light the Fires!" (edit: opps... that was Independence Day)
"I feel the NEED... the need for SPEED!"
"Take me home Honey, or loose me forever!"
MAVERICK and ICEMAN were hot! hahaha
GOOSE was cool! "I hate it when it does that..."
I will look you up, to fly with or just say Hi! I have decided to re-sub.
TIGERESS
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And so ends another episode of Days Of Our Lives.
Tune in next week to find out if Bill will leave Sarah for Bob who is having a sex change operation, but is really Sue.
Today`s episode brought to you by Estroven.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
And so ends another episode of Days Of Our Lives.
Tune in next week to find out if Bill will leave Sarah for Bob who is having a sex change operation, but is really Sue.
Today`s episode brought to you by Estroven.
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Now thats funny! :rofl
Maybe you are worth keeping around after all!
Will have to wait and see... may just be a fluke.
I am thinkin he's feeling left out and wants Mama to give him some attention too... there there big boy, Mama loves you too... cooo
TIGERESS
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Tigress... May I venture a question?
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Originally posted by Neubob
Tigress... May I venture a question?
Yes Bob, what is it?
TIGERESS
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Nevermind.
I was gonna make a joke (nothing sick, or inappropriate) but thought better of it.
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Originally posted by Neubob
Nevermind.
I was gonna make a joke (nothing sick, or inappropriate) but thought better of it.
You are a sweetie... PM me with it... K?
TIGERESS
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Take me home Honey, or loose me forever
Actually she says: "Take me to bed or lose me forever."
Goose replies: "Show me the way home, honey."
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Actually she says: "Take me to bed or lose me forever."
Goose replies: "Show me the way home, honey."
I do believe you are right...
They were in the bar. Oh, what a sweet sweet love story TOP GUN was...
this always makes me tear up... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7827EMkm5ko) boo hooo...
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I may be an animal. But at least Im the animal you know LMAO
---Edit---
I couldnt leave that last line without including this clip LOL
Animals (http://www.soundamerica.com/soundamerica/sounds/play.cfm?tpath=/sounds/movies/J-R/Legend/animals.wav&tname=animals.wav)
"The animal you know..." ahhhhh... Don't you know how attractive that male "animal" is to us?
It's like the moth and the flame... something both desired and feared at the same time...
Why do you think it is... that we work so hard to "tame" that animal?
Self-preservation... we want to be near it and experience it... not be hurt or killed by it.
Unfortunately...The link did not show me what you were referring to...
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by Tigeress
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Now thats funny! :rofl
Maybe you are worth keeping around after all!
Will have to wait and see... may just be a fluke.
I am thinkin he's feeling left out and wants Mama to give him some attention too... there there big boy, Mama loves you too... cooo
TIGERESS
Wha..................?????? No banky?
:)
I sort of doubt your old enough for Mama in this case.
At any rate, don`t start all of that thinking stuff again. It`s dangerous. :rofl
Get in there and shoot some folks. That will do the trick.
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Originally posted by Tigeress
"The animal you know..." ahhhhh... Don't you know how attractive that male "animal" is to us?
It's like the moth and the flame... something both desired and feared at the same time...
Why do you think it is... that we work so hard to "tame" that animal?
Self-preservation... we want to be near it and experience it... not be hurt or killed by it.
Unfortunately...The link did not show me what you were referring to...
TIGERESS
moreso then you may think :D
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
moreso then you may think :D
You know... I used the word... tame.
It's not the right word... subdue is more correct.
Not too little and not too much... it is a fine balance...
The animal needs to be tended to and preserved, not distroyed... if it is to be enjoyed for a lifetime.
Any woman who ruins the animal is a complete and utter fool.
TIGERESS
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Agreed
Though some animals might be better off destroyed lol
BTW you need to clean out your PMs.
Your mailbox is full LOL
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Agreed
Though some animals might be better off destroyed lol
BTW you need to clean out your PMs.
Your mailbox is full LOL
It is??? opps... will remedy that little problem right now... thanks for telling me :)
Yes... prison is full of them... but I don't judge all men by some men.
...unlike certian people (Lazs) who prefers to always judge each human by way of absolute generalization (Lazs) and not take into account the infinite variety to which each single person contributes (Lazs). lol
(sorry, Lazs... just a friendly poke with ahh pointy stick!)
TIGERESS
EDIT: Inbox has been tended to...
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Originally posted by Tigeress
TIGERESS
EDIT: Inbox has been tended to...
No it hasnt .
Or
HTC site is screwde up LOL
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yes... liberals here tell me I can't generalize all the time... that I must ponder on each and every person and event and seek the "why".
meanwhile... the five guys sitting in front of the liquor store are getting up and getting busy with their knives.
The guy with the boom box or case of beer on his head with the city burning in the background is scum.. If I "generalize" about this I will make good choices for survival. If the situation warrants.. If it is safe.. I may take the time to figure out his life story.. in the end tho.. it doesn't matter why so much as what he does.
same for women... I don't care why they want security over freedom... I will let others figure that out. I just figure it is hardwired survival thing. I won't go too wrong figuring that it is hardwired. the generalization is proven right 99.9% of the time eventually. good enough for me to live by.
lazs
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Wha..................?????? No banky?
:)
I sort of doubt your old enough for Mama in this case.
At any rate, don`t start all of that thinking stuff again. It`s dangerous. :rofl
Get in there and shoot some folks. That will do the trick.
:)
Wilco Pilot-Officer Jackal1
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by lazs2
yes... liberals here tell me I can't generalize all the time... that I must ponder on each and every person and event and seek the "why".
meanwhile... the five guys sitting in front of the liquor store are getting up and getting busy with their knives.
The guy with the boom box or case of beer on his head with the city burning in the background is scum.. If I "generalize" about this I will make good choices for survival. If the situation warrants.. If it is safe.. I may take the time to figure out his life story.. in the end tho.. it doesn't matter why so much as what he does.
same for women... I don't care why they want security over freedom... I will let others figure that out. I just figure it is hardwired survival thing. I won't go too wrong figuring that it is hardwired. the generalization is proven right 99.9% of the time eventually. good enough for me to live by.
lazs
I hear you... like I said... it was just a friendly poke.
As my Dad often said to all of us... Carry On :rofl
As a joke we would often salute him in unison... made him laugh.
He was such an ole war horse... I miss him so much.
TIGERESS
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Oh... tigress. I did try to reply to your PM to me but your mailbox was full.. I am guilty of that myself a lot tho.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
Oh... tigress. I did try to reply to your PM to me but your mailbox was full.. I am guilty of that myself a lot tho.
lazs
Gee.. I created a save box and moved a lot of mail from the inbox to the save box. Looks like the issue is total amount of bytes for all boxes combined.
Will go fix that... sorry.
TIGERESS
EDIT: K, I have seriously cleared out a lot of stuff... should be no more problems for a while with my inbox being full.
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Originally posted by lazs2
Oh... tigress. I did try to reply to your PM to me but your mailbox was full.. I am guilty of that myself a lot tho.
lazs
Got it...
Now it tells me Yours is full! Dang!
Try cleaning out some of your Sent box... in addition to your Inbox.
TIGERESS
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laz, don't you trade a considerable amount of freedom for security being a unionized public employee and working in the public sector?
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Nope... I have a great deal of freedom.. I am not in the union by the way... I took the best deal. If a contract company took/takes over it will not affect me in the least... I will run the place in any case.
how do you figure that I gave up freedom for security?
I would get more money from a contract company but would be too far behind the curve (too old) to make it work as well for retirement.. I would have to take the additional money and figure out a creative way to invest it. I have always taken the best deal.
I did accumulate assets when I was a private contractor tho. I would have gotten by no matter what.
If I could get welfare I would take that too... I would take back any of the money the government extorts from me if I could.
I would be happier of course.. if they just made a smaller government and took less from me. When I get a chance to vote on it that is what I do.
If we go to socialized medicine it won't be because of me... I am against it but... If money is being extrorted from me to pay for it I will try to get as much out of it as I can. What would you do.. just tell em no thanks? Do people in canada who are against socialized medicine just do without in protest?
I am not a martyr.
I might dabble as a private consultant when I retire but I would really rather not work at all. I could consult for city governments or private firms.. the money spends the same.
lazs
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well... i vaguely remember something about you calling out your union rep about political contributions... did you get promoted from the field and into management?
as for freedom, the public work place must be a rather harsh environment for someone with such robust opinions... no?
for the rest of what you wrote... don't we all just weigh the odds and take the best deal for long term survival, women included?
but you crack me up tho... when you vote for less govt... just make sure they don't chop the part you want to be a consultant for.
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torque... I have been both a private contractor and worked for government... I will survive no matter what is out there. I will continue to vote for less government every chance I get.. Local government is a little different than state and federal tho of course.
The union thing.. I can opt out entirely but... the union negotiates for everyone.. I had no part in them getting in... I would have them out if I could but.. they are in sooo..
I pay the portion that is used to negotiate contracts.. I don't have to but it is fair... I am not represented by them otherwise.
less government is better... I have proven that I can get along without it. I have proven I can work with it if I have to. Consulting would more likely be coming from the private sector tho. Engineering firms and package plant owners.
Package plants are still a form of government tho in the respect that a group of citizens must maintain a facility.. they would hire me and it would come out of their homeowner "fees" (polite for taxes).
That is how cities work... everyone in town pays a "fee" for a service and we are hired to provide it... in fact... my facility and infrastructure is not part of the general budget. it is a whole other budget... an enterprise fund.
If you have to have government... this is government at it's best.... every dollar taxed goes to the service... the people running the service are responsible for doing and explaining the budget and other services can't take from it.
All government should be like that... you want roads? tax gas or whatever and put that money into a fund that is open to all to audit and spend the money on roads... roads only..
you want welfare for food? put a tax on food and put the money...etc etc.
People could then see how much each service cost them... government at it's best.
lazs