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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: DREDIOCK on September 28, 2007, 07:51:55 PM
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"They are treating me like a criminal when all I am is a working man,"
Your here illegally, Worked, Paid no taxes on the money you made
And failed to claim the more 59K you were trying to smuggle out of the country
Got news for ya buddy.
Your a )$#*)@ FLIPPPING CRIMINAL
On Wednesday, Zapeta went to immigration court and got more bad news. The judge gave the dishwasher until the end of January to leave the country on his own. He's unlikely to see a penny of his money.
"I am desperate," Zapeta said. "I no longer feel good about this country."
Good! Now dont go away mad.
Just Go away.
Buh bye
---Edit-- Forgot to include the link
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/09/27/immigrant.money/index.html?section=cnn_topstories&eref=yahoo (http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/09/27/immigrant.money/index.html?section=cnn_topstories&eref=yahoo)
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I agree
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2 Questions...
How does a Dishwasher make 59K?...and...Where do I sign up?
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Edited original post to include link to the story
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Originally posted by Nefarious
2 Questions...
How does a Dishwasher make 59K?...and...Where do I sign up?
Same here, I think I will give up college and be a dishwasher if it pays that much
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To save 59K in 11 years is a pretty amazing feat making 5.50+ an hour. How much was his raise?
Something ain't right.
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No sympathy at all. Leave it to CNN to portray this guy as a victim.
Illegal Immigrant, Didn't pay taxes, whine whine cry me a river.
Always the Governments Fault, never the people who do this.
I could care less about how he feels about this country now, I feel Far Far Better knowing we can still find this stuff.
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Mt will probably be along soon to blame the evil white old man conservative.
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Why wait for MT? Right is right and wrong is wrong. Other than being an illegal immigrant, he did nothing wrong. Probably owed little to nothing in income tax at less than $6000 a year income. Dishwashing is hard work and he earned his money. He should have his money.
Les
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He earned the money. He evaded taxes. He should keep his money but do jail time and/or pay fines for income tax evasion. Of course then his trespassing butt should be kicked back to from where he came.
Oh yeah, all illegals doing time in our prisons should pay their own room and board if they have the means.
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Originally posted by Leslie
Probably owed little to nothing in income tax at less than $6000 a year income.
Les
You are correct that he probably owed little to nothing given the yearly income.
But you still have to file you taxes even if you do not owe anything.
Therefore he broke the law.
He should be charged with evading taxes and ordered to at least pay a fine.
Then, and only then should he be allowed to leave with the money he has left over.
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If he promises never to come back under penalty of being imprisoned for life, let him go with his bucks.
Whatever tax there might be on $70K is cheap to get rid of an illegal.
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One down.
11,999,999 to go :)
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Some of the illegals from Guatemala arrived to escape political imprisonment or death. They didn't come for the money so much as they came to keep on living. I have compassion for them, matters not their politics if they're here for sanctuary.
Guatemala is very impoverished after their civil war of 36 years. Many were displaced, mostly Amerindians. For a lot of them it was either leave or be killed, or have an extremely miserable life.
Now I'm not saying this guy is a political refugee, but when speaking of illegals, Guatemala is a special case to consider. For them it very well could be come to the U.S. or die.
Les
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As soon as you cross the border into Mexico, you are out of Guatamala.
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No doubt we face a quandry. Suffer those not different from many of our immigrant ancestors looking for a better life while reducing our quality of life as a result of supporting those with a dragging dependency upon our social infrastructure.
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Those hiring illegals should be doing some time as well as paying the fines. The fines should at least cover all the costs incurred from the arrest, trial, deportation, etc.
Fighting this thing from the top down, not from the bottom up should yield better results.
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Originally posted by Leslie
Some of the illegals from Guatemala arrived to escape political imprisonment or death. They didn't come for the money so much as they came to keep on living. I have compassion for them, matters not their politics if they're here for sanctuary.
Guatemala is very impoverished after their civil war of 36 years. Many were displaced, mostly Amerindians. For a lot of them it was either leave or be killed, or have an extremely miserable life.
Now I'm not saying this guy is a political refugee, but when speaking of illegals, Guatemala is a special case to consider. For them it very well could be come to the U.S. or die.
Les
Just got back last night from a week in Guatemala. That country makes me miss Colombia.
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I'm Colombian.
And you're right ;)
also...
"For 11 years, Pedro Zapeta, an illegal immigrant from Guatemala, lived his version of the American dream in Stuart, Florida" ....
"Zapeta, who speaks no English..."
He may have commited a criminal offense by entering the country illegally, he may have not paid taxes, he may have been ignorant that you have to declare more than $10k taking it out of the country....
but just how STUPID can you be to take $59k in cash in a BAG ... and not learn English in 11 YEARS?
Sorry, I say deport him after he pays the taxes due to the Gov, pays a fine for entering the US illegally (it'd be useless to jail him, just a waste of gov. money) and refuse him entry to the US for the next 20 years.
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Originally posted by Leslie
Why wait for MT? Right is right and wrong is wrong. Other than being an illegal immigrant, he did nothing wrong. Probably owed little to nothing in income tax at less than $6000 a year income. Dishwashing is hard work and he earned his money. He should have his money.
Les
Thats right. right is right and wrong is wrong.
He was in this country illegally.
Therefore he had no right to be here let alone work and make any kind of money here.
You should not be rewarded with money that you gained illegally.
Which is exactly what he did by being here illegally to begin with.
What he did was wrong. he doesnt deserve a penny
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Originally posted by Nefarious
To save 59K in 11 years is a pretty amazing feat making 5.50+ an hour. How much was his raise?
Something ain't right.
25 cent raise is all he received. He saved 90% of his paycheck, only spending what basics he needed to live on.
He should pay whatever fine for not paying his yearly income tax and be allowed to keep the rest since he did earn it.
On a side note...I wonder what the candidate pool must have been like if he was able to beat out legal residents.
ack-ack
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Les, you cant just take the money the man worked for (however illegally) based on that reasoning.
Like i said above, the gov. should just come up with a heavy fine charged to all illegal aliens that are deported. If they refuse to pay it then at that point either jail them or confiscate any assets they own in the US (thats what the gov. does if you dont pay your bills anyway!).
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Originally posted by Tac
I'm Colombian.
And you're right ;)
Hey Tac,
Didn't mean to throw Colombia around like that as a comparison. I truly love Colombia and consider myself half Colombiano. Been married to a lovely woman from Bogota almost 20 years now.
Had to really be on alert last week. Been awhile since I visited some place so dangerous. Luckily will see no reason to return.
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How much is the US spending to try to keep his money? Take what he owes in back taxes and send him on his way.Give a month amnesty to the rest to take their money and run for the border minus taxes owed. After that sucks to be you. Oh and any time someone presses 1 to hear spanish, deport them.
Oh if their country is soo bad they should do something to fix it instead of coming here
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Originally posted by Leslie
Some of the illegals from Guatemala arrived to escape political imprisonment or death. They didn't come for the money so much as they came to keep on living. I have compassion for them, matters not their politics if they're here for sanctuary.
Guatemala is very impoverished after their civil war of 36 years. Many were displaced, mostly Amerindians. For a lot of them it was either leave or be killed, or have an extremely miserable life.
Now I'm not saying this guy is a political refugee, but when speaking of illegals, Guatemala is a special case to consider. For them it very well could be come to the U.S. or die.
Les
So let them go to Mexico,Belize,Honduas or any of 100 other countries.
They dont belong here illegally reguardless of their reason.
Let them apply for political assylum. If the Gov oks it fine. If not...Well tough to be them isnt it.
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Originally posted by SaburoS
Those hiring illegals should be doing some time as well as paying the fines. The fines should at least cover all the costs incurred from the arrest, trial, deportation, etc.
Fighting this thing from the top down, not from the bottom up should yield better results.
agreed. it must be fought from all ends
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Originally posted by rogwar
Hey Tac,
Didn't mean to throw Colombia around like that as a comparison. I truly love Colombia and consider myself half Colombiano. Been married to a lovely woman from Bogota almost 20 years now.
Had to really be on alert last week. Been awhile since I visited some place so dangerous. Luckily will see no reason to return.
Don't worry about it. You're right! :) Been in the US 10 years and the only things I miss are the food and seeing ms universe pageants parading through every street. :P
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Originally posted by Tac
Les, you cant just take the money the man worked for (however illegally) based on that reasoning.
Using that reasoning if he illegally amassed the money selling drugs we shouldnt be able to take it???
he is guilty of multiple crimes here... being border jumping pondscum and tax evasion, probably welfare fraud and a number of other things we collectively have paid for.
take the money, put him in jail and release him at the end of his sentence on the other side of the border.
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I wonder if this guy ever got sick and went to a doctor during his 11 years here.
Think he paid cash for the visit?
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Originally posted by rogwar
Just got back last night from a week in Guatemala. That country makes me miss Colombia.
What was it like in Guatemala, Rogwar? Were things bad there?
Les
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Originally posted by Tac
Les, you cant just take the money the man worked for (however illegally) based on that reasoning.
Like i said above, the gov. should just come up with a heavy fine charged to all illegal aliens that are deported. If they refuse to pay it then at that point either jail them or confiscate any assets they own in the US (thats what the gov. does if you dont pay your bills anyway!).
Sorry Tac, but you must have me confused with another poster. I said the man earned his money through hard work and he should keep it. I do not consider it illegal earnings to the degree some others attribute. My reasoning is a strong solid man-to-man reasoning that he worked at a legal occupation and should be paid. Tax whatever is due the government with a possible fine. Nothing more, nothing less.
Concerning a deportation, the situation in Guatemala should be checked into before hand to make sure he won't be deported to his demise, which would be unconscionable.
Les
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Kinda missing the whole "he shouldn't have been here to earn the $$$"
point, aren't we? No tears from me for this guy either. Don't do the crime,
don't need to worry about the time.
Btw, mistake???? HAHAHAHAHA..Gee Officer, I robbed that bank by mistake.
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Granted I'm no lawyer but I'm sure somewhere there is a statute which prohibits making money from an illegal activity. This is probably geared more towards a criminal writing a book about his nefarious deeds, but wouldnt it apply to someone washing dishes while engaged in criminal activity (ie illegal immigrant)?
Just a random thought.
Time for math class.
52 weeks in a year x 40 workhours in a week = 2080
2080 x 5.50 = 11,440 in yearly wages
11,440 x 11 years = 125,840
125,840 - 59,000 = 66840
66840/11 = 6076
So he had $6000 to spend each year, roughly not counting any overtime, which I'm sure he had.
I'm going to call shennanagins. There is no way in the world that anyone can live (food, rent, clothes, electricity, etc, etc) on $6000 a year without either feeding at the trough that is our entitlement mentality gone astray, public welfare, or engaging in some additionial illegal activity.
11 years and doesn't speak english .... riiiiight. I work with guys that have been here for a few months and I've already taught them some basic english.
What would happen if a CITIZEN tried to get away with not claiming income? The IRS would be on him like white on rice.
Of all the things in this article this infuriates me the most:
"Zapeta said his goal in coming to the United States was to make enough money to buy land in his mountain village and build a home for his mother and sisters. He sent no money back to Guatemala over the years, he said, and planned to bring it all home at once."
What, our money is good enough for you but living in and contributing to the the country that essentialy GAVE you that money is too much to ask? I give a rats bellybutton about his altruistic intentions, which are probably phoney BS "feel sorry for me please" excuses.
I have absolutely no sympathy for worthless pieces of crap like this. If this country isnt good enough for you to stay in, LEGALLY, then stay the hell out. I'll buy him a one way ticket to whatever third world crap hole he came from and escort him to the plane if thats what it takes to get rid of a piece of garbage like this.
Further, what about all the employers? I thought it was a requirement that all employees fill out an I-9 and a W-4 form when they are hired? So not only is this piece of pondscum breaking our laws, so are the crooks who hired him. Where is the outrage about that???
Ok, I'm done.
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"Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free... "
what a joke.
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Originally posted by straffo
"Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free... "
what a joke.
If they are coming to stay, and are doing so legally, and are going to contribute , then they are welcome to come live the American dream and enjoy all the freedoms we have.
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Originally posted by straffo
"Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free of social responsibility... "
:p
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Originally posted by straffo
"Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free... "
what a joke.
There's LEGAL means to enter the country.
But I know that falls on deaf ears these days. People seem to find obeying the rules to be so inconvenient. However some of us kooky, law-abiding folks just happen to beleive the law should be enforced and consequences dished out.
My conscience has no problem throwing someone right on back into a war-torn country. Our hospitality has been over-extended and abused for far too long.
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He got the money illegally, therefore he shouldn't get any of it.
Our borders should be closed until we can feed, house, clothe, give medical care and educate our own people.
It is not the responsibility of Americans to support the rest of the World. Our generosity is being abused on so many levels.
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Originally posted by straffo
"Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free... "
what a joke.
Ellis Island was the archway underneath that statement, where many came legally to 'be free'. While I feel some were forced to assimilate there, it did the US a great service and greatly increased our labor pool. (note- I am not at all in favor of deporting all illegal immigrants, it isn't feasible)
In France, they don't encourage anyone to assimilate and they have alot more social unrest, not only with their young but also with many of the foreigners within that country.
Speaking of poor huddled masses, I'm fairly certain the US donates more money to poor countries in regards to both straight monetary value and in relation to the GNP when compared to France.
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Originally posted by straffo
"Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free... "
what a joke.
Nominated for the most stupid post of the year!
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suce ta bite,merdeux.
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If he is a political refugee then he would have papers as such... The US does not accept guatamala as being a country that we need to give refugee status too..
He is just a criminal.
He never filed taxes. By law... he doesn't even have to if he makes under a certain amount but... he made far more than the minimum,
He is a criminal.
He never learned english in 11 years but saved 59k
He is a stupid and thrifty criminal.
He needs to be deported or imprisoned. I would imagine, using IRS math that the interest on back taxes for 11 years would come to about $197,000 so he needs to pay all of that back or go to prison. After he gets out... he needs to be deported.
Someone hired him. someone hired him to screw the rest of us.
That person is a criminal.
I think that if the employer were given a couple of years in federal prison that it would do more tho to stop the problem. How is it gonna solve much by simply throwing the illegal out?
nope.. take the illegals money.. then throw him out... then arrest and imprison the employer..
Do this a dozen times a week across the nation and put it lead story and in a year the problem of illegals will solve itself... no fence even.
lazs
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Originally posted by ROC
No sympathy at all. Leave it to CNN to portray this guy as a victim.
Illegal Immigrant, Didn't pay taxes, whine whine cry me a river.
Always the Governments Fault, never the people who do this.
I could care less about how he feels about this country now, I feel Far Far Better knowing we can still find this stuff.
:aok
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he shouldnt get the money. he shouldnt have even been in the country, he worked illegally to earn it. should drug dealers and launderers keep their money? take it and deport him.
word
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The best thing about taking his money and sending him home is that he will tell his sad story to all his friends thinking of coming here. Much better for us than him going home with 59k and telling everyone how easy it is to break our laws.
Arresting the employers will make it more difficult for any illegal to get work.. they will go home and say there is no work.
pretty simple stuff really....you have to be a really fuzzy headed liberal to not see it.
lazs
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He'll go home saying you can make 58.9k$ and get away with it.
My pessimist 2c.
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You are probly right moot. Not only that but now he/we will get more than just word of mouth... it will be like a magnet.
lazs
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Obviously some havent read the link.
He wasnt "Yearning here to be free"
And he wasnt a refugee.
If he were he would be trying to stay.
Instead he was here to earn money to bring back to his country.
In fact thats how he was caught. Trying to get the money out of the country.
Either way. If your here illegally. Your a criminal.
Its
Just
that
simple