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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rpm on September 29, 2007, 10:17:19 PM
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First he sold our tollroads to Spain (yes, Spain) and signed a non-compete contract with them. Now good ol' Guv Perry is having the Governor's Mansion remodeled. Poor ol' Rick has to have a place to eat supper and lay his head down at night. So, our fine Guv went out and rented a modest little house for $10,000 a month (at taxpayer's expense). They expect the renovations to last at least a year.
Thank goodness Republicans are the fiscal conservatives and not spend happy like those darned Democrats!
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So I suppose you will be voting for Huckabee (He's running for Prez)... Remember the Arkansas Governer's temporary triple wide mansion?
“I'm a Republican. I'm trying to save the taxpayers money,” Huckabee explained at the time.
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or Clinton's ongoing extravagance footed by the taxpayers
Nixon may have been the only politician ever that wasn't a crook. ;)
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Actually Holden, I can respect that. That's a point in his favor.
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Rick Perry's humble abode. And I stand corrected, it's not $10,000 a month. It's only $9,900 a month that Texas taxpayers are forced to cough up.
(Utilities not included)
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The govenor`s mansion is a lot more than just three hots and a cot.
It is a meeting ground, negotiations location, library, office , but most of all a public symbol for Texas residents and visitors to our state.
There is pro and cons to every politician, but at least we have seen our state get headed back in the right direction on some major issues.
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Nation’s hand-wringers could take a lesson from Texas Gov. Rick Perry
By Dave Workman
Reacting to questions from reporters about how to prevent future outrages like the murders of 32 students and teachers at Virginia Tech April 16, Texas Gov. Rick Perry dispelled any notion that common sense has completely been eradicated by political correctness in the United States.
Perry’s sensible solution: Allow legally-armed citizens to carry their defensive firearms anywhere. Schools, restaurants, churches; Perry correctly asserted that so long as such areas are legislated as “gun free zones,” killers who don’t care about the law will enjoy risk-free opportunities in which good people cannot fight back.
Perry’s remarks were in stark contrast to comments made in Oklahoma by Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. He’s against guns on campuses, yet he admits the nanny state approach is no panacea to violence.
“We can’t guarantee complete security,” he said. “We need to see what we can do as a government – on the federal level, on the state level – to ensure the safety of our students.”
Gonzales is wrong and Perry is right. Government should get out of the way and let people take care of themselves.
Perry’s remarks brought wails of anguish from the anti-gun mob, a political lobby more adept at dancing in the blood of murder victims to advance its agenda than it is in offering genuine common sense solutions that would help people keep from being murdered.
Perhaps self-styled “progressives,” especially those living in Texas, have forgotten George Hennard, the lunatic who drove into the Luby’s Cafeteria in Killeen on Oct. 16, 1991 and opened fire, killing 23 people, all of them disarmed by a then-existing state prohibition on concealed carry. Survivors haven’t forgotten. One of them, former State Rep. Suzanna Gratia-Hupp, ran successfully to change the law, enabling Texans to fight back.
Those who lobbied in state after state against concealed carry statutes predicted that such laws would lead to bloodbaths. In a sense they guaranteed such mayhem by demanding that some areas be “gun free zones” where law-abiding citizens may not carry their firearms. Armed citizens have gone through background checks and in many states, have taken mandatory gun safety courses. How many anti-gun liberals would tolerate such scrutiny and red tape just to exercise a constitutional right? If there is blood on anyone’s hands, it is on theirs. The common denominator in all of this country’s mass shootings in recent memory is that they happened in “gun free zones.”
Don’t blame these monstrous crimes on the NRA or the Second Amendment Foundation. Blame them on the anti-gun lobby for pushing limitations on the public’s right of self-defense.
Well, this country has tried it their way – the way Gonzales would have it – and all we have to show for it is a body count.
It’s time for a different approach. Gov. Perry’s idea is simply a reminder of an earlier, simpler time, when everyone thought with the logic of a Boy Scout: Always be prepared.
Why is it so easy for Rick Perry to understand that criminals and madmen do not make appointments in advance to commit violent acts, but this fact eludes college presidents, liberal politicians, an Attorney General and far too many pundits?
Nobody is advocating anarchy. This is a matter of personal and community defense because the police are not our shepherds. In an emergency “when seconds count and police are minutes away,” individuals must act. We should abolish the concept of a gun-free zone. Eliminate the term from the national vocabulary. Criminals don’t obey it, and they shouldn’t make the rules or benefit from them.
Strengthen this philosophical shift with “stand-your-ground” laws that protect citizens who defend themselves and others from civil lawsuits and criminal prosecution.
Nobody can stop every determined criminal or madman, but we might stop most of them, and save innocent lives in the process. If that makes anti-gunners uncomfortable, that’s a small sacrifice for public safety.
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In my understanding of Texas government, I thought the Lt. Gov and legislature have the real power.
FYI I don't have anything that good or bad to say about Gov Perry.
Yeah I don't like these public works projects sold to foreign governments either. From what I understand, states are not exactly selling the toll road but rather the operation rights.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/031107dnmetcintra.3a33f1e.html
However, probably a lot of big money fly around.
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hmm.. if the bad thing against him is that he lives in the mansion that the state gave him and he bids out roads to the lowest bidder....
And the good thing is that he wants to allow the citizens of his state to defend themselves and have the government get out of the way...
I am gonna have to say that so far... I like the guy.
lazs
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So I suppose you will be voting for Huckabee (He's running for Prez)... Remember the Arkansas Governer's temporary triple wide mansion?
Holden,
In Arkansas, a triple-wide IS considered a mansion.
:t
Wab
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Originally posted by lazs2
hmm.. if the bad thing against him is that he lives in the mansion that the state gave him and he bids out roads to the lowest bidder....
And the good thing is that he wants to allow the citizens of his state to defend themselves and have the government get out of the way...
I am gonna have to say that so far... I like the guy.
lazs
Lazs, it's a bit more complex than that. On the roads issue he sold the roads AND signed a non-compete clause. It is illegal to build any free road that would compete with a toll road. They are also turning established free public highways into toll roads.
Texas has always had the most liberal gun laws in the US. You could carry a handgun long before Rickyboy came to town.
I'm stunned that you could defend him spending $10K a month on a house. At least Huckabee stood by his convictions.
I thought you guys were against bigger government and overspending.:confused:
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I don't know.. the place just looked pretty old to me.. I don't know who had it built or what the previous one looked like or what is needed to conduct state business.
regardless of Texas gun laws.. and the shooting at luby was not a good sign for Texas "always" having good gun laws.... regardless.. I am heartened to see someone in power speak out.
lazs
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I tend to think that the Governor needs to have a decent place to entertain and meet dignitaries.
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Originally posted by lazs2
hmm.. if the bad thing against him is that he lives in the mansion that the state gave him and he bids out roads to the lowest bidder....
And the good thing is that he wants to allow the citizens of his state to defend themselves and have the government get out of the way...
I am gonna have to say that so far... I like the guy.
lazs
He flipfloped on border protection. Lied to get in office..... enough for me to dislike him totally.
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can you link me to his take on the border? my opinion is that the border is a red herring..
the real problem involves not throwing the employers in prison and... in offering benifiets to illegals..
lazs
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I have no problems with him living in the Texas Governor's Mansion. It's afforded to every person that wins that office. But $10K a month is just a bit much for a rental, don't you think?
I guess those $5K a month rentals were just pig styes.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I tend to think that the Governer needs to have a decent place to entertain and meet dignitaries.
I tend to agree. And if there's just one person in the state that you don't rip the hell out of for having a nice pad, why on earth would it not be your elected Governor?
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6,400 square-feet?
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Why not??? Are you saying Texas can't afford a house as large as al gore's?!?!?!
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So in RPM's world, the Governor should demolish the mansion and replace it with a solar polared double-wide? Will you host the wheel-removing party?
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And as usual in Lepaul's world everything is all black or all white.
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is that the guy from the Friends sitcom?
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Originally posted by rpm
6,400 square-feet?
6,400 sq. feet hardly sounds like a mansion to me. Sounds barely workable, actually.
Good thing I ain't that man's wife. I would have AT LEAST doubled it... and tripled the size of that dinky little patio.
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Originally posted by rogwar
In my understanding of Texas government, I thought the Lt. Gov and legislature have the real power.
This is very close to right. Lt. Gov. and Speaker of the house have LOTS of power. More than the Govenor in a lot of instances.
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Originally posted by rpm
[BTexas has always had the most liberal gun laws in the US. You could carry a handgun long before Rickyboy came to town.
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Yeah...and you had better have been in the rear of your house, in the closet with a fire axe trying to hack your way out to escape an intruder if you planned on using one for self defense up until recently. Either that or be prepared to spend a year or so`s pay with lawyers if there was one glitch.
That has changed just recently along with enabling us to come to the defense of others in public and the right to stand your ground on your property and others.
You whining about 9 or 10k a month for the govenor`s mansion, with all of it`s uses and purposes while we are being robbed blatantly everyday is totaly ridiculous. This don`t even make good bait.
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I used to carry one legally because I travelled across county lines long before Texas had CHL's.
I have no problems with remodelling the TGM. It's a National Historic Landmark. What I do have a problem with is spending much more than is necessary for government housing. He has an office to conduct business in the State Insurance Building, not the TGM.
Looks like I'm the only real "conservative" here.:eek:
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Originally posted by texasmom
And if there's just one person in the state that you don't rip the hell out of for having a nice pad, why on earth would it not be your elected Governor?
It should be the people that buy one with there hard earned and wisely invested money.
It certainly shouldn't be the person that buys one with money stolen from taxpayers.
Anything else is socialism.
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Originally posted by rpm
I have no problems with remodelling the TGM. It's a National Historic Landmark. What I do have a problem with is spending much more than is necessary for government housing. He has an office to conduct business in the State Insurance Building, not the TGM.
The job of Governor is not a 9 to 5 gig.
Plus, as has been explained, it is not just a residence.
Hell of a deal if you ask me.
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rpm.. not sure I get it yet..
The building is not his right? it is a public building he is using only as long as he is the elected official? there are lots of public buildings that are bigger and cost more to maintain?
Oh wait.. you are just mad cause nobody voted for that socialist kinky right?
lazs
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people here are actually defending a guy using tax payer money to rent a $10k/month house? funny, I grew up being told to lead by example.
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Originally posted by rpm
I used to carry one legally because I travelled across county lines long before Texas had CHL's.
I have no problems with remodelling the TGM. It's a National Historic Landmark. What I do have a problem with is spending much more than is necessary for government housing. He has an office to conduct business in the State Insurance Building, not the TGM.
Looks like I'm the only real "conservative" here.:eek:
I assume then you feel the President should be living in a condo and doing business out of an office building as well. Perhaps they would rent the town convention center for official functions as well. Lets not forget the state legislature. They can do their thing in an old renovated quonset hut, right?
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Originally posted by Thrawn
It should be the people that buy one with there hard earned and wisely invested money.
It certainly shouldn't be the person that buys one with money stolen from taxpayers.
I don't give a flip what he buys or doesn't buy with his hard earned money after he leaves office.
But while he's in office as our Governor he'd better have at least a modest (which is what I'd call 6,400 sq ft) home... which is used for far more than laying his head down at night.
Shoot, he probably doesn't even have enough room there to fit in officials from all of the county seats.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
And as usual in Lepaul's world everything is all black or all white.
As is frequently the case, you are wrong. And still a liberal.
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Even if you're talking about the Governor of little ole New Jersey, that guy would still need probably 3500 sq ft. and a little outdoor space.
Compared to the amount of folks who would come through when you count the # of county state reps compared to that... makes 6400 sq ft sound a little small, eh?
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Originally posted by indy007
people here are actually defending a guy using tax payer money to rent a $10k/month house?
As stated before, way more than 3 hots and a cot.
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Originally posted by Maverick
I assume then you feel the President should be living in a condo and doing business out of an office building as well. Perhaps they would rent the town convention center for official functions as well. Lets not forget the state legislature. They can do their thing in an old renovated quonset hut, right?
Bad anology. The governer's mansion is fine. It's being renovated. The problem is his temporary lodging is excessively expensive.
but to run with your analogy... well, why couldn't they?
Why should government go hand in hand with ostentatious displays of wealth?
and Jackal, your example of smart gun control laws somehow justifies a 10k a month rental? huh? :confused:
I geuss you're right. It's impossible to have good government without a geust house and in-ground, heated pool. :lol
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Originally posted by texasmom
Even I jumped to that conclusion before reading carefully instead of skimming to see what was in it...
So if I did that, I'm sure that anyone wishing to make a point against them could hurry through it & make assumptions as you did.
Dang, I did the same thing that I accused someone else of doing back in the Blackwater thread. Oops.
I guess I'll stop skimming. :)
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Indy, at least somebody gets it.
I'm sure if Perry was a Democrat suddenly they would see what a collossal waste of public funds this is. BTW, I wonder who owns the house? I'm sure they aren't campaign donors of Perry's.
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Originally posted by rpm
Indy, at least somebody gets it.
I'm sure if Perry was a Democrat suddenly they would see what a collossal waste of public funds this is. BTW, I wonder who owns the house? I'm sure they aren't campaign donors of Perry's.
Shhhhh! Don't tell anybody that Perry's views on gun control, one advocating freedom of carry and use, is by definition a liberal outlook.
lib·er·al /ˈlɪbərəl, ˈlɪbrəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
2. (often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
Peoples brains might explode.
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Hey, if you are going to start using the proper definition of "liberal" and "conservative" I'm getting the heck out of here! You're right, brains will explode.
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does that mean that the neo-cons are really "liberals"?
:O
so who are the democrats that want to ban guns?
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Originally posted by indy007
And Jackal, your example of smart gun control laws somehow justifies a 10k a month rental? huh? :confused:I
The lack of and trashing stupid gun laws is worth way more than that.
The 10k rental is for the governors mansion. Try to wrap your head around this.
This is just not a place the governor goes to rack out and watch NFL and NASCAR on the big screen.
Much business is done here. Office, library, meeting place for visitors when conducting business for our state. It is not a 9 to 5 gig.
Most importantly it is a symbol for our state.
I would venture a guess that way more than 10K is pilfered a month on office supplies and such in most states.
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got to admit... If a politician would get rid of gun laws... I would let him live wherever he wanted on taxpayers money... I would even buy him a few hookers if he wanted...
lazs
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The SC governor shut down the Governor's mansion when the legislature was arguing about spending. He did business from his own private house and at the state house to show he could actually save money.
Do I expect every gov to do that, no.
Just be glad it's only 10k/month, I'm sure it could have been much higher.
As far as the toll-road. Alot of other states have done that as well. They get an upfront lump sum from whoever they sale it to. The state then does not have to maintain that road, nor do they have to pay salary/benefits for the toll workers. It's kinda like taking the lump sum when you win the lottery rather than waiting on the annual payouts.
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Originally posted by lazs2
got to admit... If a politician would get rid of gun laws... I would let him live wherever he wanted on taxpayers money... I would even buy him a few hookers if he wanted...
lazs
Weekly stripper parties would be in order.
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Originally posted by Tiger
As far as the toll-road. Alot of other states have done that as well. They get an upfront lump sum from whoever they sale it to. The state then does not have to maintain that road, nor do they have to pay salary/benefits for the toll workers. It's kinda like taking the lump sum when you win the lottery rather than waiting on the annual payouts.
Did they sign a non-compete agreement not to build ANY road that might allow free travel? I'm sure they didn't turn roads already completed with public funds into toll roads, either.
That's a Rick Perry original.
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Seperated at birth?
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Originally posted by Tiger
As far as the toll-road. Alot of other states have done that as well. They get an upfront lump sum from whoever they sale it to. The state then does not have to maintain that road, nor do they have to pay salary/benefits for the toll workers. It's kinda like taking the lump sum when you win the lottery rather than waiting on the annual payouts.
The analogy doesn't quite ring true here. In the lottery payoff, the average person does not get penalized for the pay out of the lottery like they do in having to pay tolls for a road that is already paid for.
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I'm pretty sure the 'toll road' wasn't built from direct taxes, but likely bonds.
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Tiger, you should look at TX121. A completed public road open to traffic that went toll road overnight. No toll booths, just cameras that send you a bill in the mail.