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Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 01, 2007, 10:02:49 AM: who's some pilots that you've fought that are really good that are relatively new?

Mark
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Denholm on October 01, 2007, 10:12:17 AM: Are you looking for fame and fortune?
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Post by: Latrobe on October 01, 2007, 10:21:23 AM: Anyone who doesn't run I would have to say :D .
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Post by: lengro on October 01, 2007, 11:29:51 AM: maha

:noid
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Post by: SlapShot on October 01, 2007, 11:31:47 AM: One that comes to mind is lazydog2.

He is new ... still makes alot of "new" mistakes, but he is not afraid to mix it up and always comes back for more ... and that is the recipe for success IMHO.

He is in the Hired Guns and when I look at their roster ... I can remember fighting against and with a lot of those guys, and there are many in there that exhibit the "recipe for success".
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Post by: apcampbell on October 01, 2007, 11:41:40 AM: I don't know about new, but for some odd reason, I managed to down AADesiel in his LA-7 while in an FM2. Either he made a bad mistake, or I may actually be getting better! In other words, he got shot down by a n00b! Go figure. I imagine it happens from time to time. I do apologize for the razzing he may recieve because of this posting, and I imagine I'll never have a safe flight again :)

Here's a hearty salute to you AADesiel from Navy061!
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 01, 2007, 11:44:59 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Denholm
Are you looking for fame and fortune?

:rolleyes:
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 01, 2007, 11:50:11 AM: So far it's:

lazyboy2
Maha (not new)
acampbell (voted for himself)
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Post by: megadud on October 01, 2007, 11:52:19 AM: megadud is the best....ever... word
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Post by: apcampbell on October 01, 2007, 11:53:50 AM: LOL, no I didn't vote for myself! Was just commenting!
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Post by: SkyRock on October 01, 2007, 12:05:49 PM: Quote
Originally posted by apcampbell
LOL, no I didn't vote for myself! Was just commenting!

:D
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Post by: RATTFINK on October 01, 2007, 12:06:24 PM: vf4nik8r
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 01, 2007, 12:17:43 PM: Quote
Originally posted by RATTFINK
vf4nik8r

how long has he played?
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: jhookt on October 01, 2007, 12:18:44 PM: i can tell you who isn't one.

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Originally posted by RATTFINK
vf4nik8r

anyone who doesn't vote for themselves is a pillow hugging pansy.

not saying you in particular simply using you as an example.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SuBWaYCH on October 01, 2007, 02:25:50 PM: <<

~~VC just playin~~
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Husky01 on October 01, 2007, 02:30:44 PM: How new are we considering new? Do I count as new? Most you guys been playing sims longer then I have been alive. Can I vote for myself as next big dog? been flying fighters around a year now. Spent my first year as a buffer :)
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Post by: NoBaddy on October 01, 2007, 02:32:03 PM: Slap...

Yah, Lazy is a good guy and he is making the effort. I'm trying to get him out of those fargin wildcats to work on gunnery and E management. (I blame you for his F4F fetish :D). A couple more that are making the effort, Tatour and Wild73tx. They may never make great fiter jocks...but, at least they now fly something besides bombers. :)

Finally, Black70...got the head for it...just needs more challenges.

BTW, Lazy's latest challenge is to fly the 109 and get kills without shooting head on.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: BaldEagl on October 01, 2007, 02:44:03 PM: Me. I fight me all the time. I can be good or stupid... just depends on the day.

Oh wait... you said relatively new. My bad.
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Post by: hubsonfire on October 01, 2007, 02:53:33 PM: warlockl. he is teh awsum.
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Post by: Ack-Ack on October 01, 2007, 02:55:38 PM: AAdiesel. his little brother told he was the BESTEST!

ack-ack
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Post by: DarkS1ar on October 01, 2007, 02:57:00 PM: Quote
Originally posted by lengro
maha

That was a shade account. I think i know who it was.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 01, 2007, 02:58:17 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Husky01
How new are we considering new?

Lets say less than 1 year
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Post by: SlapShot on October 01, 2007, 03:03:07 PM: Quote
Originally posted by NoBaddy
Slap...

Yah, Lazy is a good guy and he is making the effort. I'm trying to get him out of those fargin wildcats to work on gunnery and E management. (I blame you for his F4F fetish :D). A couple more that are making the effort, Tatour and Wild73tx. They may never make great fiter jocks...but, at least they now fly something besides bombers. :)

Finally, Black70...got the head for it...just needs more challenges.

BTW, Lazy's latest challenge is to fly the 109 and get kills without shooting head on.

Yup ... all those guys are "working" on it.

For Lazy's E management ... I have seen him in the HellCat ... great plane to work on E management.

As far as gunnery ... killing or trying to kill with .50 cals, I think, is the best for gunnery ... cannon killing ... too easy.
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Post by: 68ROX on October 01, 2007, 03:04:05 PM: Not fought been seen fight.....

Tigress

68ROX
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: RATTFINK on October 01, 2007, 03:04:10 PM: Quote
Originally posted by SkyRock
how long has he played?

6 months ± I would guess. I recently recruited him. Pretty new I would think. But when he was here for around 2 or 3 months he was kickin arse already.

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Originally posted by jhookt
i can tell you who isn't one.

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quote:Originally posted by RATTFINK
vf4nik8r

anyone who doesn't vote for themselves is a pillow hugging pansy.

not saying you in particular simply using you as an example.[/B]

jhookt, care to clarify please?
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Husky01 on October 01, 2007, 03:06:51 PM: Quote
Originally posted by SkyRock
Lets say less than 1 year

Overall or in a fighter? :)
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Post by: SkyRock on October 01, 2007, 03:08:02 PM: Quote
Originally posted by RATTFINK
6 months ± I would guess. I recently recruited him. Pretty new I would think. But when he was here for around 2 or 3 months he was kickin arse already.

We've met!:t He wasn't too bad!
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: RATTFINK on October 01, 2007, 03:10:01 PM: He's a real good stick, a good guy & a good squaddie to boot.

<>

I vote VF4nik8r #1
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: RATTFINK on October 01, 2007, 03:11:22 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Husky01
Overall or in a fighter? :)

w/o milkin & w/ skills I would guess
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: MajIssue on October 01, 2007, 03:28:27 PM: Besides me... A SERIOUS JOKE (with an oxymoron [sp] thrown in as well)

ArkyAce is a good stick in anything he ups and a good squaddie to boot! He's go my vote.
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Post by: NoBaddy on October 01, 2007, 03:38:06 PM: Quote
Originally posted by SlapShot
As far as gunnery ... killing or trying to kill with .50 cals, I think, is the best for gunnery ... cannon killing ... too easy.

Well, working with 109 as a gun platform is more than just landing hits. You really need to learn to judge your enemy's E state and what he is capable of doing and be there ahead of him. Unlike many of the other planes, you can't just push your head above the gunsight to pull lead. Learning to do it right in the 109, will make him better in whatever he choses to fly.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 01, 2007, 03:42:50 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Husky01
Overall or in a fighter? :)

fighter, you know, acm's and whatnot!
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Husky01 on October 01, 2007, 03:44:46 PM: Ooo so I qualify then don't I?!
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Post by: AKDogg on October 01, 2007, 03:47:11 PM: I vote AKJrDogg.
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Post by: Rich46yo on October 01, 2007, 03:47:56 PM: I just had a thrilling shootout with a guy named Traveler1 I think. He made some moves in a P-38 I didn't think the aircraft was capable of. Boy, talk about a "Dual at 14,000' ".

Overall there seems to be only two kinds of P-38 drivers. The "good" ones, and the "very good" ones. Its doesn't seem to be an aircraft that people learn on.

And its a very dangerous fighter against bombers. I feel fortunate surviving against them and the ones who fly them.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Bosco123 on October 01, 2007, 03:54:09 PM: <--- 7 months playing and placed third in KOTH the last time, do I count?
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 01, 2007, 03:54:23 PM: so far it is:

lazydog2
v8niktor
AKjrdog
traveler1

When we get to ten names, we invite them into the DA and set up a dueling tournament! The winner gets a short film of himself and a weeks worth of admiration. Objective being to get these newbie gangtwits to start wanting to learn how to fight. :aok
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Husky01 on October 01, 2007, 03:57:04 PM: I vote Bearkats! Been under a year in fighters. Still learning and I have the drive to want to learn more! :)

Edit: Yes I voted for my self! muhahahaha
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Bosco123 on October 01, 2007, 03:58:39 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Husky01
I vote Bearkats! Been under a year in fighters. Still learning and I have the drive to want to learn more! :)

vote for me and ill vote for you!:D
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Post by: Morpheus on October 01, 2007, 04:18:18 PM: I never worried about who the "Big dog's" were. Rather I just focused on my own game. Worked pretty well too as a matter of fact.
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Post by: Luigi30 on October 01, 2007, 04:24:29 PM: Well I blew up 2 planes in a PT Boat, that's probably an accomplishment :rolleyes:
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Post by: Denholm on October 01, 2007, 04:58:40 PM: Ram tard.
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Post by: Blooz on October 01, 2007, 04:59:08 PM: I vote Optiker.

Don't know if he still plays though. I haven't seen him in a while.
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Post by: kilz on October 01, 2007, 04:59:54 PM: Quote
Originally posted by RATTFINK
He's a real good stick, a good guy & a good squaddie to boot.

<>

I vote VF4nik8r #1

~~I knew i smelt a RAT :D~~
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Slash27 on October 01, 2007, 05:08:00 PM: Quote
Originally posted by RATTFINK
vf4nik8r

Isn't that sweet2th/1hunglo/autopilot?
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: texasmom on October 01, 2007, 05:10:45 PM: etoh
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Post by: evenhaim on October 01, 2007, 05:15:02 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Slash27
Isn't that sweet2th/1hunglo/autopilot?
dont know if that is but i know Toddnben is him.

Back on topic:
probably domin(not that new)
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: lagger86 on October 01, 2007, 05:43:45 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Slash27
Isn't that sweet2th/1hunglo/autopilot?
No, he was in the red rippers with sweet2th/1hunglo, but they are not the same person.

oh And my vote goes to all the #'s guys that shoot me down.
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Post by: Platano on October 01, 2007, 05:53:25 PM: i vote.....

how bout sonic22?

how long that spitard been flying?
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Post by: Husky01 on October 01, 2007, 06:00:38 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Platano
i vote.....

how bout sonic22?

how long that spitard been flying?

a while
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Post by: evenhaim on October 01, 2007, 06:04:27 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Platano
i vote.....

how bout sonic22?

how long that spitard been flying?

long time
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Post by: Ack-Ack on October 01, 2007, 06:12:51 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Husky01
Ooo so I qualify then don't I?!

Only if this was vulch a 2nd account contest...

ack-ack
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Post by: Rich46yo on October 01, 2007, 06:13:58 PM: Ive had some hard times against guys with terrible rankings so it goes to show you rank means nothing.

On the other hand when you see someone barreling down on you that you know is consistently top 10 it does cause a bit of pucker.

When I was in USAF I had it explained to me many times why American pilots are so good, and NATO is so dangerous in air power. Pretty much all NATO countries are the standard of air power. Its because they put gas in the airplanes and fly them "all the time". I remember those guys flying those Phantoms 4,5,6 times a week.

And no doubt AH is no different. Put someone behind that stick enough times and they are bound to get good.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 01, 2007, 06:14:32 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Morpheus
I never worried about who the "Big dog's" were. Rather I just focused on my own game. Worked pretty well too as a matter of fact.

I think if you were being honest, you would admit to seeking out the "big dogs" as far as learning and skill comparison was concerned.

This is a list that should be something positive for newbs to work towards.:aok

So we got:

lazydog2
Traveler1
AKJrDogg
Bosco123
Etoh
Optiker
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: TwentyFo on October 01, 2007, 06:15:30 PM: I vote for TonyJoey...It's a father/son account who has been kickin A** and taking names.
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Post by: Xargos on October 01, 2007, 06:17:29 PM: That BearKats guy you need to keep an eye on. He likes getting on your six, but not to shoot you down. :p
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Post by: Platano on October 01, 2007, 06:21:05 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Only if this was vulch a 2nd account contest...

ack-ack

:rofl
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Post by: evenhaim on October 01, 2007, 06:23:36 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Rich46yo
Ive had some hard times against guys with terrible rankings so it goes to show you rank means nothing.

On the other hand when you see someone barreling down on you that you know is consistently top 10 it does cause a bit of pucker.

When I was in USAF I had it explained to me many times why American pilots are so good, and NATO is so dangerous in air power. Pretty much all NATO countries are the standard of air power. Its because they put gas in the airplanes and fly them "all the time". I remember those guys flying those Phantoms 4,5,6 times a week.

And no doubt AH is no different. Put someone behind that stick enough times and they are bound to get good.

WTF does that have to do with this? :huh :rofl
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Post by: Dace on October 01, 2007, 06:26:49 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Only if this was vulch a 2nd account contest...

ack-ack
:lol ...srry Bear, but that's worth a giggle.
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Post by: jhookt on October 01, 2007, 06:34:24 PM: Quote
Originally posted by RATTFINK

jhookt, care to clarify please?

doesn't seem that vague to me. which part are you not understanding?
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Post by: Husky01 on October 01, 2007, 06:50:26 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Dace
:lol ...srry Bear, but that's worth a giggle.

Ya makes me giggles to seems ack ack is the only one that brings it up anymore.
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Post by: jhookt on October 01, 2007, 06:52:02 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Husky01
Ya makes me giggles to seems ack ack is the only one that brings it up anymore.

you wish
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Post by: Slash27 on October 01, 2007, 07:16:21 PM: Quote
Originally posted by lagger86
No, he was in the red rippers with sweet2th/1hunglo, but they are not the same person.

Ah, my sincere apologies to VF4nik8r:D
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Post by: SuBWaYCH on October 01, 2007, 07:28:25 PM: So whats your saying is that i don't qualify in this list? Im just over a year, i still count? :D

i think i deserve atleast 1 VOTE

(shakes his head at SR)

:D j/k SR
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Post by: uptown on October 01, 2007, 08:07:47 PM: Oh come on!!!! :mad: I'm a noob,and i've killed all those dweebs on your little list.
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Post by: Xasthur on October 01, 2007, 09:04:16 PM: Quote
Originally posted by TwentyFo
I vote for TonyJoey...It's a father/son account who has been kickin A** and taking names.

That would explain what I thought was a severe case of Bipolar disorder.

Some times he seems measured and helpful and the others he acted like a complete arse.

That leaves you to wonder which one is the brat.

:lol
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Post by: AKDogg on October 01, 2007, 09:58:40 PM: Quote
Originally posted by uptown
Oh come on!!!! :mad: I'm a noob,and i've killed all those dweebs on your little list.

Watch it, My son is not a dweeb. Not only that I bet he would kill ya anyways.:t
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: lyric1 on October 02, 2007, 03:11:02 AM: If 12 months is the cut off scratch lazydog2. He & his squad are for the most part early war. I have been playing for 14mths & have ran into lazydog2 for most if not all of that time.
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Post by: Morpheus on October 02, 2007, 04:55:19 AM: Quote
Originally posted by SkyRock
I think if you were being honest, you would admit to seeking out the "big dogs" as far as learning and skill comparison was concerned.

Wrong. I never compared my style to another players in the game. As far as learning is concerned. I was always "picky" as to who I practiced with. Nomak will tell you the same thing. To me, constantly asking anyone you could to go to the DA with you was considered a little to much like leg humping.

Two, three years ago it was a little different than it seems to be now. From my perspective, there are a few who call themselves the "big dogs", one being yourself. Rather back then, the "big dogs" never called themselvs that. Sure they knew it, but so did everyone else. ;)
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Post by: Ack-Ack on October 02, 2007, 05:21:39 AM: You ever gonna come back?

ack-ack
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Post by: Yknurd on October 02, 2007, 06:33:10 AM: Did Morhpeus did back-handedly call Skytard a leg humper?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

*breath*

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Ghosth on October 02, 2007, 06:48:37 AM: Actually we have a whole crop of "dogs" that are up & comers.

Bison virtually singlehandedly changed the way that I fly in the main.
His desire to work on wingman tactics, and teamwork. And his single minded devotion to seeing me make it home alive made a huge change for me.
As a result I flew 3 or 4 times as much last tour, and flew better. He's
still learning a few things but he's coming along very nicely. He still has some 6 months to go so keep an eye on this one.

Optiker is very very good in his F4u-1d, now he just needs to get OUT of the TA and into the main with it. A couple of tours could see him right up with the top sticks in the F4u.

Cowboy45 has the potential to be scary good. And he's super respectful also.
As a trainer I'm used to tossing "sir's" at people. Cowboy is constantly sending them back to me. No complaints, no whines, just fly hard and enjoy it seems to be his motto.

Olds695 is pushing the year mark, but he's made big progress this last tour.
His flying is good, he's been struggling with trying to improve his shooting.
But this is one to ride the river with guys.

Some others that I see regularly in the TA

Baumer I don't know anyone who works as hard at AH as he does. Because of his squad he tends to stay in the LW birds. But keep your eyes on this one anyway. Ohhh and he's nice people too.

WWM Could rule the roost in a few more tours. He's like trying to wrestle a greased snake, when you think you have him he slips out of your grasp and bites you in the behind.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Ghosth on October 02, 2007, 06:55:44 AM: The truly great players of AH, the really BIG dogs don't need to feed their ego.
They've gotten past that long since. You could learn a lot from Morph Skyrock! And I don't mean flying skill.

Morph nailed it, the really good sticks knew exactly who was capable of giving them a top notch fight in the main without taking it to the DA. And as they get better that list keeps getting smaller and smaller. To the point where when they log in and can't find a good fight 2 or 3 days out of 4 they end up walking away.

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Originally posted by Morpheus
Wrong. I never compared my style to another players in the game. As far as learning is concerned. I was always "picky" as to who I practiced with. Nomak will tell you the same thing. To me, constantly asking anyone you could to go to the DA with you was considered a little to much like leg humping.

Two, three years ago it was a little different than it seems to be now. From my perspective, there are a few who call themselves the "big dogs", one being yourself. Rather back then, the "big dogs" never called themselvs that. Sure they knew it, but so did everyone else. ;)
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Post by: The Fugitive on October 02, 2007, 07:08:14 AM: I don't have the time to devote to becoming a "big dog". I think 40 hours is the most I flew in a tour. The down side is my aim sucks and I really don't think its going to get much better. Up side is Most fights for me are still a challenge! I don't think I will ever get to the point where my "list": of those that will give me a good fight will ever get short enough that I could get bored.

LOL!!! it's good to suck ! :D
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 02, 2007, 07:37:24 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Ghosth
Actually we have a whole crop of "dogs" that are up & comers.

Bison virtually singlehandedly changed the way that I fly in the main.
His desire to work on wingman tactics, and teamwork. And his single minded devotion to seeing me make it home alive made a huge change for me.
As a result I flew 3 or 4 times as much last tour, and flew better. He's
still learning a few things but he's coming along very nicely. He still has some 6 months to go so keep an eye on this one.

Optiker is very very good in his F4u-1d, now he just needs to get OUT of the TA and into the main with it. A couple of tours could see him right up with the top sticks in the F4u.

Cowboy45 has the potential to be scary good. And he's super respectful also.
As a trainer I'm used to tossing "sir's" at people. Cowboy is constantly sending them back to me. No complaints, no whines, just fly hard and enjoy it seems to be his motto.

Olds695 is pushing the year mark, but he's made big progress this last tour.
His flying is good, he's been struggling with trying to improve his shooting.
But this is one to ride the river with guys.

Some others that I see regularly in the TA

Baumer I don't know anyone who works as hard at AH as he does. Because of his squad he tends to stay in the LW birds. But keep your eyes on this one anyway. Ohhh and he's nice people too.

WWM Could rule the roost in a few more tours. He's like trying to wrestle a greased snake, when you think you have him he slips out of your grasp and bites you in the behind.

This is a good post, and good info.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 02, 2007, 07:48:42 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Morpheus
Wrong. I never compared my style to another players in the game. As far as learning is concerned. I was always "picky" as to who I practiced with. Nomak will tell you the same thing. To me, constantly asking anyone you could to go to the DA with you was considered a little to much like leg humping.

Two, three years ago it was a little different than it seems to be now. From my perspective, there are a few who call themselves the "big dogs", one being yourself. Rather back then, the "big dogs" never called themselvs that. Sure they knew it, but so did everyone else. ;)

I did my time leg humping for sure, and that DA time really helped me learn, but you seem to have forgotten your time on the ankle. :aok
Anyway, not going to get into it with you, the thread was meant in a positive light and I will keep it on that course. Ghost gave some good info on players who are excelling above average and a few others have as well.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 02, 2007, 07:55:01 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Ghosth

You could learn a lot from Morph Skyrock!

Ghost, this has to be one of the most off base comments in the thread.

Keep it to who are the up and coming uberstiks, please. I could give a rats patooty about how the old gaurd never acted this way or that way. I don't care if the guy acts an arse or thinks he's god, or carries himself around like Mother Theresa, this is a game and many different characters reside here. :aok
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: LEADPIG on October 02, 2007, 08:49:28 AM: I'd have to say hands down it's.......

684489084480543365790--7655433446553--654322469-=665433225t542

That guy rocks! :aok
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Denholm on October 02, 2007, 09:29:28 AM: 3 char minimum 8 char max alias.

Something about that one seems that AH got hacked.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Nomak on October 02, 2007, 11:30:06 AM: Ding! ding! ding! Morph hit the nail on the head.

<----passes Jeff a cigar.>

The older I get the more I respect players who have real class as opposed to mad skillz. Just my personal point of view of course.

Guppy comes to mind right of the top of my head. There are many more of course. Now a days those are the guys I consider the "Big Dogs".

Dave
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 02, 2007, 12:16:04 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Nomak
Ding! ding! ding! Morph hit the nail on the head.

<----passes Jeff a cigar.>

The older I get the more I respect players who have real class as opposed to mad skillz. Just my personal point of view of course.

Guppy comes to mind right of the top of my head. There are many more of course. Now a days those are the guys I consider the "Big Dogs".

Dave

class? This is not wimbelton, bro. I enjoy all the different types of attitudes and mentalities. I would probably not enjoy this game at all if everyone went around acting like herbert milktoast at a Captain n Tennille concert! "Oh pardon me sir, , I am sorry for using up your cannon rounds with my fuselage, I hope my debris didn't damage your engine":rolleyes:

:t
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Stampf on October 02, 2007, 12:36:50 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Ghosth
Actually we have a whole crop of "dogs" that are up & comers.

Bison virtually singlehandedly changed the way that I fly in the main.
His desire to work on wingman tactics, and teamwork. And his single minded devotion to seeing me make it home alive made a huge change for me.
As a result I flew 3 or 4 times as much last tour, and flew better. He's
still learning a few things but he's coming along very nicely. He still has some 6 months to go so keep an eye on this one.

Optiker is very very good in his F4u-1d, now he just needs to get OUT of the TA and into the main with it. A couple of tours could see him right up with the top sticks in the F4u.

Cowboy45 has the potential to be scary good. And he's super respectful also.
As a trainer I'm used to tossing "sir's" at people. Cowboy is constantly sending them back to me. No complaints, no whines, just fly hard and enjoy it seems to be his motto.

Olds695 is pushing the year mark, but he's made big progress this last tour.
His flying is good, he's been struggling with trying to improve his shooting.
But this is one to ride the river with guys.

Some others that I see regularly in the TA

Baumer I don't know anyone who works as hard at AH as he does. Because of his squad he tends to stay in the LW birds. But keep your eyes on this one anyway. Ohhh and he's nice people too.

WWM Could rule the roost in a few more tours. He's like trying to wrestle a greased snake, when you think you have him he slips out of your grasp and bites you in the behind.

Baumer. In the two months he has been with JG11 the improvement I have seen from this fine gentleman is unbelievable. One of the hardest working pilots I have met and and outstanding addition to the squad. He is an excellant wingman who sticks with his lead, covers well, communicates thoroughly, and has genuine desire to succeed. You will see alot from this pilot in the coming months.

Good post Ghosth. .
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Dead Man Flying on October 02, 2007, 12:42:01 PM: Great writeup, Ghosth!

-- Todd/Leviathn
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 02, 2007, 01:05:51 PM: OK, so here it is so far:

Lazydog2
Optiker
Etoh
Bosco123
AKJrDogg
Traveler1
Bison
Cowboy45
Olds695
Baumer

Anymore?
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: texasmom on October 02, 2007, 01:15:54 PM: Quote
Originally posted by LEADPIG
I'd have to say hands down it's.......
684489084480543365790--7655433446553--654322469-=665433225t542
That guy rocks! :aok
:rofl
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Estes on October 02, 2007, 01:20:16 PM: Stalls, and this guy I met in the TA. Can't for the life of me remember the first part of his name, but it ends in Nexx or something similar. If I run into him again I'll edit my post.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Simaril on October 02, 2007, 02:00:31 PM: Interesting thing about the guys on Ghosth's list --

They're all guys who spend a LOT of time in the TA, just playing tag and what not. I've never had the patience for that approach (adrenaline junky), but it would be no surprise to find them moving quickly...all that time pushing the envelope edge, practicing gunnery, high % time in "combat' situations (since no climbout or rtb), being able to pick the trainers' brains regularly, getting jumped by dissimular aircraft or higher E planes and learning the way out. Wish I didnt get antsy just flyuing around in there!

Great way to get better if you can adjsut to the slower, more relaxed pace.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: shamroc on October 02, 2007, 02:13:24 PM: Quote
Originally posted by SkyRock
OK, so here it is so far:

Lazydog2
Optiker
Etoh
Bosco123
AKJrDogg
Traveler1
Bison
Cowboy45
Olds695
Baumer

Anymore?

Skyrock, why exactly are you building this hit-list ?

Are you tired of giving War the daily swirlies/wedgies, and are now looking for
some new big headed freshmen ?

:D :D :D
Shamroc
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SlapShot on October 02, 2007, 02:19:23 PM: Quote
Originally posted by SkyRock
class? This is not wimbelton, bro. I enjoy all the different types of attitudes and mentalities. I would probably not enjoy this game at all if everyone went around acting like herbert milktoast at a Captain n Tennille concert! "Oh pardon me sir, , I am sorry for using up your cannon rounds with my fuselage, I hope my debris didn't damage your engine":rolleyes:

:t

I guess you never watched Johnny Mac and his Wimbelton days.

The class that he is referring to is those who get shot down ... doesn't matter by who ... who can acknowledge the winner with a compliment as opposed to smack-crap.

I would probably not enjoy this game at all if everyone went around acting like herbert milktoast at a Captain n Tennille concert too ... but I also wouldn't enjoy the game if everyone went around acting like Don Rickles with a constant barage of insults and useless smack-talk ... which this game is getting to.

Back to the question at hand ...

Don't know if he is new or what but ran into nc33 last night ... good fighter and always game ... no matter the odds.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: shamroc on October 02, 2007, 02:27:31 PM: Quote
Originally posted by SlapShot
Don Rickles with a constant barage of insults and useless smack-talk ... which this game is getting to.

Hey if we had Don Rickles on, I'd never log off !

Shamroc
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: WMDnow on October 02, 2007, 04:52:41 PM: im somewhat decent, and started on 25th of Dec.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Rich46yo on October 02, 2007, 04:56:35 PM: Quote
Originally posted by evenhaim
WTF does that have to do with this? :huh :rofl

Do they speak a different type of English in Israel?

The thread is about new guys getting good fast. My point was if they/we/you fly enough hours then your going to get good. Its like that with real airplanes and its like that with cartoon ones.

I agree with Ghost that the really, really good sticks dont need to talk. And almost to the one I have found them all to be gentleman.

The TA is where Ive made gains with my gunning. I think the TA is a great arena. Also I think a new guy, and I speak as one, has to be unafraid to try new things and willing to make mistakes. Which are learned from. Also, I believe, you have to be willing to listen to the senior sticks and trainers.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: TwentyFo on October 02, 2007, 06:24:04 PM: I want in.

I've been playing this game since early December last year. I don't know if I'm considered a "new" player, maybe you guys should decide. My original name was 24477, I changed it in April to TwentyFo.

Estes...I think you may be refferring to my squadmate "INexx" of The LYNCHMOB OUTLAWS. He is a great pilot, although I have no idea how long he has played. Ill run it past him.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 02, 2007, 06:58:45 PM: Quote
Originally posted by TwentyFo
I want in.

I've been playing this game since early December last year. I don't know if I'm considered a "new" player, maybe you guys should decide. My original name was 24477, I changed it in April to TwentyFo.

Estes...I think you may be refferring to my squadmate "INexx" of The LYNCHMOB OUTLAWS. He is a great pilot, although I have no idea how long he has played. Ill run it past him.

ur in!:aok
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: RedTop on October 02, 2007, 07:01:08 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Morpheus
Wrong. I never compared my style to another players in the game. As far as learning is concerned. I was always "picky" as to who I practiced with. Nomak will tell you the same thing. To me, constantly asking anyone you could to go to the DA with you was considered a little to much like leg humping.

Two, three years ago it was a little different than it seems to be now. From my perspective, there are a few who call themselves the "big dogs", one being yourself. Rather back then, the "big dogs" never called themselvs that. Sure they knew it, but so did everyone else. ;)

Perfect!!!
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SuBWaYCH on October 02, 2007, 07:57:50 PM: Ohhh SR........... im sitting and getting lonely in this corner..........

(only been in fighters say 9 months now.... used to be strictly buffs... not that i could hit anything with them)

*cough* *cough* pick me *cough* *cough*

:aok
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Husky01 on October 02, 2007, 08:02:54 PM: Remember Skyrock is looking for good sticks...
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SuBWaYCH on October 02, 2007, 08:04:52 PM: shhhhh.........

:noid
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: balance1 on October 02, 2007, 08:21:39 PM: I'll bite
im still a newb
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Morpheus on October 02, 2007, 08:56:38 PM: Quote
Originally posted by SkyRock
I did my time leg humping for sure, and that DA time really helped me learn, but you seem to have forgotten your time on the ankle. :aok

Back 5-6 years ago, sure. If you would consider asking questions about the basics of what was a relativly newer game still, on channel 1, "leg humping". But, I personaly will not classify that as leg humping in my book.

Quote
class? This is not wimbelton, bro. I enjoy all the different types of attitudes and mentalities. I would probably not enjoy this game at all if everyone went around acting like herbert milktoast at a Captain n Tennille concert! "Oh pardon me sir, ~~, I am sorry for using up your cannon rounds with my fuselage, I hope my debris didn't damage your engine"~~

Class and attitude don't always go hand in hand. Although there is a fine line to draw between the two. No you dont need to someone everytime. But 'ing or the like, each time you are shot down, no class. But its the people who throw all sence of class and good nature out the window in place of the constant insults about how lucky I was to shoot someone down in a given situationthat have become more numerous than those who will just sit there take it like a man, and possibly learn a thing or two while shutting up. Ego can be a real hurdle in this game as far as learning curve is concerned.

I know talking to you is like trying to drive a finish nail into concrete. (why bother, I dont know.)
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Sloehand on October 02, 2007, 08:57:09 PM: Since the criteria for nomination see a bit flexible, I'll offer this one in my own squad.

We all know scores are problematical at best for determining skill, but if you know if a guy plays it straight up, it can be an indicator of skill growth.

Bmathis has been a member of my squad since his start, and I, among others, helped show him the ropes. He absorbed everything and quickly outpaced any training. His skill progress has been phenomenal, IMO.

He's a month away from reaching 1 year, but check out his numbers and successes from the beginning. Also, he plays the whole game (Vehicle, Bombers, Attack), not just planes, which are his forte'.

As further evidence of exceptional flying skill, he is the AH Extreme Racing League for Season 8, and as of tonight (it's already locked point-wise), he'll be the Season 9 Champion as well. By a good margin. Nobody flies an airplane as smoothly or as fast as he does, consistantly.

As for the game itself, I've never seen him backdown or hesitate to mix it up with anyone, help a countryman or squaddie, or go in against most any numbers if the mission called for it. He doesn't sip milk or pull any shenanagins, he's just a natural pilot.

.......................FTR... ...........Overall
Nov. 06.........2134.............2 199
Dec.................894...... .......1155
Jan.................794...... .........143
Feb.................655...... ..........99
Mar.................549...... ..........73
Apr.................511...... .........191
May................493....... ........136
Jun.................273...... .........196
Jul..................386..... ..........256
Aug................437....... ........173
Sep. 07..........304.............. ...72
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: falcon23 on October 02, 2007, 08:57:57 PM: DOG-GONE it TWENTYFO,you beat me to it..I was going to put your name in the hat.:D

Twentyfo,A very good stick,and someone to watch out for..
And I would be remiss to put in one other name,and that would be 5pointoh..They are squaddies in the lynchmob,and both kill very well..:aok

Kevin
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: AKDogg on October 02, 2007, 09:47:01 PM: See Rule #4, #5
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: jaxxo on October 02, 2007, 11:06:52 PM: :lol
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: 2bighorn on October 02, 2007, 11:33:10 PM: See Rule #6
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 02, 2007, 11:33:46 PM: See Rule #2
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 02, 2007, 11:35:15 PM: Quote
Originally posted by RedTop
Perfect!!!

ankle humper?????:huh
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 02, 2007, 11:39:57 PM: See Rule #5, #4
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Fianna on October 03, 2007, 12:14:15 AM: Never saw him in the MA, only in KOTH, and he might be a shade, but Alucard is pretty good.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: shamroc on October 03, 2007, 01:02:47 AM: See Rule #2
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: WMLute on October 03, 2007, 01:26:56 AM: Dogg, i'm glad you tossed in Jr's name for this.

He has come really far in the 6ish months I have watched him fly (mostly in KOTH's) and is one of the names I would toss in.

Give that kid a year more and he'll be a world beater if he keeps it up. He's lucky to have a good teacher in his Dad, and w/ your CM'n KOTH now, he's exposed to many "top notch" sticks and flying styles.

I'm also pretty durn sure that SkyRock isn't gonna belittle 'em. He know's better than that. I ACTUALLY think this thread was made in good faith, and I find it an interesting subject.

I too find myself wondering who are going to be considered the "top" fighters in AcesHigh in a couple years.

(p.s. 2bighorn, I'm pretty sure "foot up your tookus" isn't gonna be considered a "threat" in most courts in the country)
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Coshy on October 03, 2007, 01:35:57 AM: .
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: wolfcat5 on October 03, 2007, 02:54:00 AM: I think I am the big dog, who am I? woof
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: AKDogg on October 03, 2007, 04:59:22 AM: Quote
Originally posted by SkyRock
Besides owning you and all your alleles, I will be considerate of dweebery!:aok

First off u don't own me let alone do I own U. If I remember correctly, when we did DA, we were about tied. 2nd I was more worried about my grandmother who was in the hospital at that time then I was killing u. 3rd, U tried to kill me in the ma and lost. But I still saying I don't own u because I don't play that game. My guns and flying do the talking for me.:aok
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Morpheus on October 03, 2007, 06:08:59 AM: LOL Holier than thou? mmmbaaaah. No. I just dont consider smack talking to teens who are still bringing their lunch to school that was made by mommy is a formula for a grand ole time. But for a thrid class redkneck like yourself, who only has this game and his 13 yr old crippled beagle to keep him ocupied, I could understand why you go as low as you do time and time again. :)
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 03, 2007, 06:30:29 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Morpheus
LOL Holier than thou? mmmbaaaah. No. I just dont consider smack talking to teens who are still bringing their lunch to school that was made by mommy is a formula for a grand ole time. But for a thrid class redkneck like yourself, who only has this game and his 13 yr old crippled beagle to keep him ocupied, I could understand why you go as low as you do time and time again. :)

There you go, now your being honest and letting true Morph come out. See, you have no right to talk about class, you crumble every time your button is pushed.
:aok
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 03, 2007, 06:31:30 AM: Quote
Originally posted by WMLute
Dogg, i'm glad you tossed in Jr's name for this.

He has come really far in the 6ish months I have watched him fly (mostly in KOTH's) and is one of the names I would toss in.

Give that kid a year more and he'll be a world beater if he keeps it up. He's lucky to have a good teacher in his Dad, and w/ your CM'n KOTH now, he's exposed to many "top notch" sticks and flying styles.

I'm also pretty durn sure that SkyRock isn't gonna belittle 'em. He know's better than that. I ACTUALLY think this thread was made in good faith, and I find it an interesting subject.

I too find myself wondering who are going to be considered the "top" fighters in AcesHigh in a couple years.

(p.s. 2bighorn, I'm pretty sure "foot up your tookus" isn't gonna be considered a "threat" in most courts in the country)

tnx Lute.:aok
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Ghosth on October 03, 2007, 07:37:48 AM: I think we need a whole new category for Juniors.

AKJr certainly gets my vote no matter where you put him.
Solid stick, good guy to be in the same sky with, polite, and friendly to a fault. Plus he kicked my tail in KOTH, take a bow Jr, you earned it.

Also in the same category is Sondog. Son of the famous, infamous or notorious Daddog, (depending on your view) he is currently flying under some pretty severe handicaps.

Nothing after 9:00 pm, grades have to be B+ or better, homework done first, and limited hours when he is allowed to fly. Despite this and his relatively young age Sondog has been ripping up the squad h2h ladder. I know I gave up trying to fight him some 6 months ago. Combination of perfect eyesight, perfect reflexes and a very good grounding in the basics of air combat. He's probably over the 1 year edge, but he's just starting to come into his own. Also Daddog finally getting DSL isn't hurting anything either.

These guys are both good sticks, and both as eager as a pair of puppy's.
But, they do NOT have the armor to suffer the same slings and arrows as grownups. So please treat them with courtesy and respect!
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: storch on October 03, 2007, 07:41:55 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Stampf
Baumer. In the two months he has been with JG11 the improvement I have seen from this fine gentleman is unbelievable. One of the hardest working pilots I have met and and outstanding addition to the squad. He is an excellant wingman who sticks with his lead, covers well, communicates thoroughly, and has genuine desire to succeed. You will see alot from this pilot in the coming months.

Good post Ghosth. .
baumer huh? maybe I should post the film I have of me fighting five of you nuggets in the AvA the other night. as long as he hangs around with you guys he will only be a herder. bad company always corrupts good morals. save your propaganda herr gerbil all you guys do is gang, run and HO, that's it that's the extent of your "good pilotage" and so forth.

I'll see if I can get the unedited fight (as it were) hosted and posted. you guys are awful players.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: RedTop on October 03, 2007, 08:52:12 AM: Quote
Originally posted by SkyRock
ankle humper?????:huh

:rofl don't you have some kids to teach someplace? A new feature film your working on?

Ankle humper...thats a laff coming from you who prolly sits on his on ankles when he flies.

Your routine is old , tired , and worn out and personally I don't think you need to talk crap. Your better than most and everyone knows it.

Get some new material.

:)
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 03, 2007, 10:10:23 AM: Quote
Originally posted by RedTop

Get some new material.

:)

Ahight den!:aok
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: 33Vortex on October 03, 2007, 10:33:02 AM: Quote
Originally posted by storch
baumer huh? maybe I should post the film I have of me fighting five of you nuggets in the AvA the other night. as long as he hangs around with you guys he will only be a herder. bad company always corrupts good morals. save your propaganda herr gerbil all you guys do is gang, run and HO, that's it that's the extent of your "good pilotage" and so forth.

I'll see if I can get the unedited fight (as it were) hosted and posted. you guys are awful players.

What is it that you think you are doing? What is it you want to achieve with such posts? You are starting to make me feel sorry for having been in your squad, the way you are behaving. I never saw this kind of behaviour from you before, as a member of your squad, but then I never read the forums either.

Here are the films, that you requested.

Film 02 (http://hem.bredband.net/turnik/070930AvA_02.zip)
Film 03 (http://hem.bredband.net/turnik/070930AvA_03.zip)
Film 04 (http://hem.bredband.net/turnik/070930AvA_04.zip)
Film 05 (http://hem.bredband.net/turnik/070930AvA_05.zip)
Film 06 (http://hem.bredband.net/turnik/070930AvA_06.zip)
Film 07 (http://hem.bredband.net/turnik/070930AvA_07.zip)

ENJOY!

The conversation in these films is obviously irritated, annoyed, because of some certain persons. The guys in JG11 told me to let it be the night before when Kong was on, but I can not stand people who have such bad attitude. Even if our conversation is bad at times, I think what happens in these films, and what storch is saying, speaks for itself. Especially when you take into consideration what he is posting on these boards.
The only ones in JG54 I've seen this from is storch and Kong, and as far as I'm concerned, you both are a disgrace to the name of JG54 'Grünherz' and have no right to call yourself that, or affiliate yourself with any such unit. Your attitude and way of conduct bear no resemblance to the ideals and code of conduct of the men who served in JG54.

Having said that, play whichever way you want, within the rules and limitations of this game. I don't care, and I don't call you a poor pilot or anything of the sort, your playstyle does not interest me. However when you specifically target a few individuals, going to such lengths, spending so much time harassing these people, it is taking it way too far. I have no respect for people such as yourself. You hold too much hate in your heart, and for that I feel sorry for you.

This is my personal view and does not necessarily reflect the opinion of other JG11 members.

I'd like to ~~WildeSau, Tbarone and Tyrant for the good fights that night, and the rest of the JG54 pilots, my old squaddies.~~
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Stampf on October 03, 2007, 11:01:17 AM: Don't let it get to ya Nik. His village just called...their missing their idiot.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Spazzter on October 03, 2007, 11:24:37 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Husky01
Ooo so I qualify then don't I?!

Husky/Bear,

Your need to feel admired is reemerging the same as it did in your quest for top ranking a while back and look where that go you. You have done a very good job at repairing the fracture that caused with the community and that is to be commended. Most people know that you are a decent pilot so there is no need for you to be on anyone's list or have to be named as a new top dog. These promotions are only for those who lack the confidence to know that it really doesn't matter.

~~Spazz~~
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Nomak on October 03, 2007, 11:36:35 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Spazzter
Husky/Bear,

...... These promotions are only for those who lack the confidence to know that it really doesn't matter.

~~Spazz~~

Amen

Dave
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: shamroc on October 03, 2007, 01:38:42 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Stampf
Don't let it get to ya Nik. His village just called...their missing their idiot.

This is not a whine - I really don't care - but films 06 and 07 show you guys gangbanging me on two occasions (5 on 1). Film 05 shows a 4 on 1 against Kuhn, with bragging afterwards ("team kill", "they're all team kills" etc).

No big deal - but I'd like to respectfully ask that you guys keep this type of thing in the MA (not the AvA arena).

Shamroc
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: 33Vortex on October 03, 2007, 01:48:23 PM: So, what do you want us to do, log off? You actually say so, go to the main arena. Let me ask you this then, what were you doing down there? Why did you allow yourself to get into that position? Well let me tell you, poor situational awareness, bad tactical decisions.

It's the truth, and you know it. So don't blame us for "gangbanging" when it's your own fault for making yourself a target.

Don't say teamkill as if it is a bad word, we work together, we try to get everyone home. So call us bad pilots if you will, we don't care. Come back when you have a squad with you, or know how to keep your E in a fight. There's a difference between a teamkill and gangbanging, you should know that. If you get yourself into that position it's nobody's but your own fault.

"They're all teamkills" and "Some people just don't get that" is a reference to that we work as a team, land kills for the squad and that some people don't get that teamwork is key to success. Don't make it into something else, if you misinterpreted it, it's only telling what category player you fit in.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SlapShot on October 03, 2007, 01:52:03 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Spazzter
These promotions are only for those who lack the confidence to know that it really doesn't matter.

That is true, but only for those who nominate themself.

If the spirit of the thread is what I believe it to be, then it is nothing more than some of us, who have been around awhile, weighing in on who we think shows promise ... not only in flying ability, but combined with attitude.

If we recognized these types of individuals more, then maybe that is what even "newer" people will aspire to be ... as opposed to the the smack-takin' snot nosed squeekers that prevailed during the summer.

As a community, we chastise and berate more than we compliment and acknowledge good behaviour ... and if this type of thread can turn the tide, then I am all for it.

I have listed 2 guys ... lazydog2 and nc33 so far ... these are the type of "new" guys that we want ... hard-nosed fighters who can take the good with the bad and when the fight is over ... there is no animosity, win or lose.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: shamroc on October 03, 2007, 02:00:45 PM: Quote
Originally posted by 33Vortex
Come back when you have a squad with you, or know how to keep your E in a fight.

No problem - I'll remember that next time I see you in AvA. Expect to be gangbanged and cherried in return then.

Shamroc :aok
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: 33Vortex on October 03, 2007, 02:09:12 PM: Well, you're welcome to try, but singling out a person, to hunt and specifically targeting a individual, THAT is gangbanging. We do not do that, we just shoot whoever happens to be around. If you feel that justifies you going after us specifically, well...

:rofl
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Ack-Ack on October 03, 2007, 03:02:22 PM: Quote
Originally posted by 33Vortex
Well, you're welcome to try, but singling out a person, to hunt and specifically targeting a individual, THAT is gangbanging. We do not do that, we just shoot whoever happens to be around. If you feel that justifies you going after us specifically, well...

:rofl

No matter how you look at it, Teamkill = Gangbang.

A rose by any other name is still a rose....

ack-ack
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: shamroc on October 03, 2007, 03:04:23 PM: Quote
Originally posted by 33Vortex
Well, you're welcome to try, but singling out a person, to hunt and specifically targeting a individual, THAT is gangbanging. We do not do that, we just shoot whoever happens to be around. If you feel that justifies you going after us specifically, well...

:rofl

I'm not targeting you specifically Vort - just I'll know what to expect the next time you guys are on logged in AvA.

Actually, on second thought I'm gonna take the high road on this one: Next time I see you guys on AvA I'll go elsewhere - otherwise I'll just be encouraging you guys in turning the AvA into another MA. I have too much respect for the other regular AvAers (guys like dedalos, maha, oldman, storch, eagler etc) to do that.

Shamroc :cool:
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Stampf on October 03, 2007, 03:21:07 PM: Sham,

Come on man, that's weak. If you want to keep the AvA an ego driven elitist dueling areana than fine. No one here wants to turn it into another MA. Two nights in a row, a handful of us from JG11 went in there to see if we could generate some population, in response to many requests for groups of players to try to get the areana going. We were the only ones there. Rather than leave so no else definelty would show, we waited, so people would see some one was in there. We waited, and waited, finally upping some 88's and 110's and heading across the channel rather than just talking in the tower.

It worked, and both nights we ended up with approx. even 5-7, on 5-7 battles. It was alot of fun. Just because you happenned to be caught alone a couple times doesnt justify the insults and accusations. Labeling...thats all some people do. They have a label for everything. The films prove even sides, good fighting, and no one maliciously or intentionally doing anything...but flying as a squadron. This is the wrong thread for this discussion and would not even be here if someone hadn't jumped in a hijacked it with a chance to bash me and those who fly with me. Whatever...he lives for that I quess, judging from how much he does it. Yes...JG11 ups together, flys together, fights together, re-arms together and trys to make it home together. If that's makes us the bane of "those you respect"...than damn man, that's just wrong.

All we got for trying to bring in some players was grief from a few, but mostly had a blast, as we enjoy flying against country correct foemen, rather than the hodgepodge mix of the MA.

(http://www.jg11.org/cpg1412/albums/userpics/10003/normal_AvAs.JPG)
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SlapShot on October 03, 2007, 03:25:03 PM: Why don't u guys take your hijacking fight somewhere else ... what your debating has nothing to do with what this thread is all about.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Stampf on October 03, 2007, 03:27:39 PM: Amen. I think I just said that.

EDIT: That's Baumer, second row left. An up and coming Dog. :aok
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: storch on October 03, 2007, 03:53:01 PM: JG11 is the embodiment of the lamest form of game play. the individual players are weak. if you were fighting for your real lives no one could fault you but in a game? c'mon fellows you die you get another plane no big deal. as always it's your money and you play as you wish but your style of play should be kept out of the AvA in my opinion.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: shamroc on October 03, 2007, 03:56:41 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Stampf
Sham,

Come on man, that's weak. It was alot of fun. Just because you happenned to be caught alone a couple times doesnt justify the insults and accusations. Labeling...thats all some people do. They have a label for everything. The films prove even sides, good fighting, and no one maliciously or intentionally doing anything

Ok I can let it go - Stampf, 33Vortex I apologize - we all friends again ? :aok

Shamroc
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Stampf on October 03, 2007, 03:57:43 PM: :aok
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: AWMac on October 03, 2007, 04:00:23 PM: ToddnBen wait a Tower isn't a Fiter right?

Nevermind.

Mac
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: whiteman on October 03, 2007, 04:02:18 PM: I saw bmathis name some where in here. I found it hard to believe he started the same time i did. He's great.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: storch on October 03, 2007, 04:07:34 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Stampf
Don't let it get to ya Nik. His village just called...their missing their idiot.
says the hen
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 03, 2007, 04:32:28 PM: Quote
Originally posted by SlapShot

If the spirit of the thread is what I believe it to be, then it is nothing more than some of us, who have been around awhile, weighing in on who we think shows promise ... not only in flying ability, but combined with attitude.

you got it! Although I wasn't noting attitude, peeps seem to like a good attitude as well so it's all good. I was just trying to maybe let some of the up and comings be recognized and maybe get them together for a round of fights or something. :aok As someone said, maybe like a newb KOTH!
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: NoBaddy on October 03, 2007, 05:33:59 PM: Quote
Originally posted by storch
as long as he hangs around with you guys he will only be a herder. bad company always corrupts good morals.

This is something I've tried to explain to noobs more than once. Had some fighting another bunch of noobs (actually, they were all semi-noobs :)). I heard them comment what great practice they were having. I swooped in and popped 3 of 'em. I then pointed out that 'practice' against inferior opponents is inferior practice. Wingman tactics are no different. Nothing wrong with using wingmen. But, thinking that doing so, some how, makes you superior is simply wrong. Pure and simple, it's a crutch.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: wrag on October 03, 2007, 06:05:37 PM: HMMMMMMMMM...........

I don't see akajr listed here?

He been flyin too long?

Flown with him a few times and watched him and IMHO he should be included.

He has MANNERS and flys pretty good! Seen him do some moves from time to time.

aka been teachin his son in a GOOD way IMHO.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: 33Vortex on October 03, 2007, 08:05:03 PM: Quote
Originally posted by shamroc
Ok I can let it go - Stampf, 33Vortex I apologize - we all friends again ? :aok

Shamroc

No problem, sorry if I jumped the conclusion there. It was what it seemed like but I knew you probably didn't mean to go after us specifically. Just another tired post made when you don't care about the consequences. I have no beef with anyone in this game, but those who consistently and without reason pick on others. Fortunately, so far, that list is very very short.

~~shamrock, hope to see more good fights with or against you in the future~~
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: shamroc on October 03, 2007, 08:33:31 PM: Quote
Originally posted by 33Vortex

~~shamrock, hope to see more good fights with or against you in the future~~

33Vortex

Despite it all, it was fun fighting you guys - all of you were skilled.

Shamroc
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: FX1 on October 03, 2007, 08:34:45 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Morpheus
LOL Holier than thou? mmmbaaaah. No. I just dont consider smack talking to teens who are still bringing their lunch to school that was made by mommy is a formula for a grand ole time. But for a thrid class redkneck like yourself, who only has this game and his 13 yr old crippled beagle to keep him ocupied, I could understand why you go as low as you do time and time again. :)

Hi morpheus long time..
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: storch on October 03, 2007, 08:49:20 PM: Quote
Originally posted by NoBaddy
This is something I've tried to explain to noobs more than once. Had some fighting another bunch of noobs (actually, they were all semi-noobs :)). I heard them comment what great practice they were having. I swooped in and popped 3 of 'em. I then pointed out that 'practice' against inferior opponents is inferior practice. Wingman tactics are no different. Nothing wrong with using wingmen. But, thinking that doing so, some how, makes you superior is simply wrong. Pure and simple, it's a crutch.
indeed it is.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Messiah on October 03, 2007, 09:07:44 PM: i eat big dogs for breakfast. :noid
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: NoBaddy on October 03, 2007, 09:28:14 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Messiah
i eat big dogs for breakfast. :noid

Ahhh, must be a Pacific Rim player. :)
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 03, 2007, 10:07:04 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Messiah
i eat big dogs for breakfast. :noid

negative!:aok
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SAS_KID on October 03, 2007, 10:10:36 PM: I vote for that SASKID feller. I mean he really sucks but he is trying to get one kill this tour.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: megadud on October 03, 2007, 10:43:48 PM: megadud by far is the best...ever
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Angry Samoan on October 03, 2007, 11:21:47 PM: Quote
Originally posted by megadud
megadud by far is the best...ever

:mad: dud better
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Bubbajj on October 04, 2007, 04:42:12 AM: Who's the guy that always flys the 109K? Can't pull his name up out of my memory banks but he's bound to be dangerous in that Bf by sheer volume
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Morpheus on October 04, 2007, 03:42:45 PM: Quote
Originally posted by SkyRock
There you go, now your being honest and letting true Morph come out. See, you have no right to talk about class, you crumble every time your button is pushed.
:aok

Crumble? LOL no not hardly. You are right about one thing though, yes I am being honest. I simply call it like I see it. And everyone knows that in this case, I am right. :aok

Lastly, You may not be that bad, but you ain't no big dog. Not by a long shot. It takes more than shooting people down to be a "big dog" as you so intelligently put it. And even on your best of days you still haven't got half.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: TwentyFo on October 04, 2007, 06:25:33 PM: Where is this thread going?:noid
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: TheDudeDVant on October 04, 2007, 06:27:13 PM: IMO all you guys (too many to go back and count) that are diggin on skyrock are no better than you accuse him of being in the MA.. He digs on folks in MA and thats your troubles with him? Well, what do you know, all you guys are in here diggin on him.. Class? don't make me loving laugh.. self righteous is more like it...

hypocrites suck

*rant over, back to the thread at hand*

nice topic skyrock and all.. its a good idea that might inspire!
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Platano on October 04, 2007, 10:20:38 PM: do i kualifiii tuh bee a nominee?

i meen beeing im on bureak n aLL n den wen i cum bak ima be suking n all..would dat make mee a noobage?
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: 33Vortex on October 04, 2007, 10:40:02 PM: :lol
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: jaxxo on October 04, 2007, 11:22:18 PM: "IMO all you guys (too many to go back and count) that are diggin on skyrock are no better than you accuse him of being in the MA.. He digs on folks in MA and thats your troubles with him? Well, what do you know, all you guys are in here diggin on him.. Class? don't make me loving laugh.. self righteous is more like it..."

If one person is a jack@#% too 500 people and 500 people are a Jack!@# to only that one person would you call them all Hypocrites..DUDE?
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: sax on October 04, 2007, 11:47:25 PM: Quote
Originally posted by TwentyFo
Where is this thread going?:noid

To the dog's
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: megadud on October 05, 2007, 12:29:35 AM: im the top dog end of discussion. RUUUUUUUUUUUUUFF!
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: TheDudeDVant on October 05, 2007, 01:23:23 AM: Quote
Originally posted by jaxxo
If one person is a jack@#% too 500 people and 500 people are a Jack!@# to only that one person would you call them all Hypocrites..DUDE? [/B]

500? Irrelevant or otherwise flawed question..

It is the same folk doing it over and over again and I see pretty much the same folk in this thread acting lowbred as if they speak from some moral high ground..

Everyone of us at some point in time have acted the same way including myself..

Peps with attitude like Skyrock's are nothing new to the game.. There have always been folk just like him (right or wrong) and you will find them in any online game as in life.. And I will say it again... There have 'always' been peps that felt the desire to shout their skill.. I'm not certain where we derive these nostalgic memories of this game with the belief that once all was perfect and pure..
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 05, 2007, 02:14:41 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Morpheus

Lastly, You may not be that bad, but you ain't no big dog.

Will you come back to prove your statement true?

Very doubtful!
:aok I will welcome owning you, though! :aok
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 05, 2007, 02:16:56 AM: Quote
Originally posted by jaxxo

If one person is a jack@#% too 500 people and 500 people are a Jack!@# to only that one person would you call them all Hypocrites..DUDE?

We aren't talking about you, we are talking about up and comings, you never made it! sorry!:(
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 05, 2007, 02:18:56 AM: Quote
Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
500? Irrelevant or otherwise flawed question..

It is the same folk doing it over and over again and I see pretty much the same folk in this thread acting lowbred as if they speak from some moral high ground..

Everyone of us at some point in time have acted the same way including myself..

Peps with attitude like Skyrock's are nothing new to the game.. There have always been folk just like him (right or wrong) and you will find them in any online game as in life.. And I will say it again... There have 'always' been peps that felt the desire to shout their skill.. I'm not certain where we derive these nostalgic memories of this game with the belief that once all was perfect and pure..

That is exactly where SkyRock lives, within the parameters set up by those valiant vets! :aok!
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Morpheus on October 05, 2007, 02:57:05 PM: Quote
Originally posted by SkyRock
Will you come back to prove your statement true?

Very doubtful!
:aok I will welcome owning you, though! :aok

Prove what? That you have WAY more time on your hands to play AH now than I do? Fact is, and if you want to nitpick then fine, that you were nothing back when I was still playing and to me, you haven't changed. Just another mouth with a big ego and lots of hot air behind it.

If you want to take me to the DA after not flying for over a year and show me how much of a "big dog" you are, that's your problem. I guess your life really must be lame if this is where you need to prove your manliness and self worth... In a flight sim. lol:aok
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: 33Vortex on October 05, 2007, 03:07:52 PM: (http://hem.bredband.net/turnik/icons/icon_oldie.gif)

(http://hem.bredband.net/turnik/icons/icon_doubt.gif)

Sorry, couldn't help myself. :)
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: AKoLButt on October 05, 2007, 03:37:38 PM: :cool:
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 05, 2007, 05:05:31 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Morpheus
Prove what?

Just another mouth with a big ego and lots of hot air behind it.

LMAO! Prove your statement, or did you forget you posted it? :rofl You would get smacked no matter how long you practiced up for it. You were a lousy little twit back then, and the biggest leg humper in the game, yet you want to talk smack like you weren't. You were scared to duel me back in the day because you wouldn't have been able to handle defeat. Now, your just a lousy little twit visiting the boards.

I back up my talk, the same can't be said about you. :aok

PS Get off my ankle, you look like a dork down there!
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: BMathis on October 05, 2007, 05:50:02 PM: Quote
Originally posted by SkyRock
Lets say less than 1 year
I never know who's been here less than a Year. I've been playing for 11 Mo. I think, so everyone seems to be a vet; Except when I kill them in the 109-f4 :eek: ~~Mark~~
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Nomak on October 05, 2007, 06:20:13 PM: Quote
Originally posted by SkyRock
LMAO! Prove your statement, or did you forget you posted it? :rofl You would get smacked no matter how long you practiced up for it. You were a lousy little twit back then, and the biggest leg humper in the game, yet you want to talk smack like you weren't. You were scared to duel me back in the day because you wouldn't have been able to handle defeat. Now, your just a lousy little twit visiting the boards.

I back up my talk, the same can't be said about you. :aok

PS Get off my ankle, you look like a dork down there!

I seriously doubt Jeff was ever "Scared" to duel anyone.

Jeff and myself have had our issues in the past ....but he was/is a great stick and an over all good guy IMHO. At the height of his DA days he was as good as anyone. Even if you are "Better" than him right now.... why all the boasting? Do you really believe it proves anything?

Speaking of "Owning" I have "Owned" you more than once in the DA. Yet I would never even consider taking that to the BB and shoving it into your face (at least not in the context that you do). Why? mostly out of respect for you, Another player, another person. Thats what I mean by class. Why belittle people? So if you can "Own" me now that I havnt played in ages would you treat me the same?

Mark....seriously.... I think you know that I have no real problem with you. We have always gotten along fairly well. I just dont really understand why all the calling out, "Owning" etc etc.....

Dave
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Bronk on October 05, 2007, 06:22:48 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Nomak
I just dont really understand why all the calling out, "Owning" etc etc.....

Dave

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075296/
:noid :noid

Bronk
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 05, 2007, 08:06:52 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Nomak

Jeff At the height of his DA days he was as good as anyone. Even if you are "Better" than him right now.... why all the boasting? Do you really believe it proves anything?

Mark....seriously.... I think you know that I have no real problem with you. We have always gotten along fairly well. I just dont really understand why all the calling out, "Owning" etc etc.....

Dave

Dave, this is how it goes for me......

I could care less if he came back to DA me or not. I could care less if I beat the absolute smack out of him or not even though I would.....:D Jeff does not want to be friendly to me, he has never showed any inkling of respect to me in any way, and therefore he gets absolutely none from me. He always acted like I was second class to he and his friends and would not even blink an eye to insult me. I am aware that he became a good stik as I have had some fights with him in the MA and I have seen some of his films, but I do not have to be nice to people who attack my real life. He came in here and insulted the thread, insulted me, and talked crap, so he gets the onlsought!!

OWNING is game talk, and game talk ONLY!

if someone talks bull to me, I immediately start with the own thing....

if someone takes a jab at me, I immediately start with the own thing...

if I like the person and want to mess with them in a friendly way, I will start with the own thing....

No big deal......OWNING is game talk and game talk ONLY!

Also, you have noticed, I do not say "I own you" to you, just for the same reasons you stated you wouldn't say it to me. I have beaten many people that I will never say "I own them", because it's just not that way. Many times the game talk is nothing more than entertainment to me, as I have stated very clearly before publicly.

anyway, back to the topic.....
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: TequilaChaser on October 05, 2007, 09:13:47 PM: wow long thread, 5 pages....dang internet problems kept me away since early monday morning

bmathis, that feller is a chunk of coal that will polish into a sparkling BIG Dog diamond someday!!!! and I can not recall him ever being rude or smack talking........

as for the "SideShow"...I have went to the DA with 3 of you:
Nomak, Morpheus and also SkyRock.........out of them 3 at different times only one of them guys beat me in some of our individual matches........and one of the 3 taught the 1 who beat me.......and I have never been a big dog, I just a measly ole feller who likes to have fun and likes good fights, in which all of them were!!! and I like to help people when I can!

I see no reason for this sideshow to even be in this post, Ghosth had a great reply or 2. and Olds and cdawgs? and a few others really strive hard and have great attitudes! , Jeff ( Morph ) had a very honest and good reply regarding the "old guard" or whatchamacallits" verses todays "Big Dogs"........

and kappa ( dude is that your new gameid, kappa? ) was actually correct in his assessment of how people look at Mark ( Skyrock ) in the game and SR's actions towards others, yet try to indirectly and sometimes directly belittle him on these boards.....it truely is hypocritical......

out side of the "SideShow" this is a good thread,

one thing about the EGO's they never make it thru the long haul.........
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Slash27 on October 05, 2007, 11:01:56 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Bronk
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075296/
:noid :noid

Bronk

:D
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: megadud on October 05, 2007, 11:04:24 PM: morph was the best i fought out of the 3 in his prime, nomak was second and skyrock was third, now skyrock got real good so i don't know what to think. I don't like the muppets because they kicked me out of their squad forum for no reason, morph threw a hissy fit when i went to the muppets so i pick nomaks side until he loses it then i am on bronks side because he is funny sometimes. thank you

PS slash is awesome
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Slash27 on October 05, 2007, 11:12:07 PM: I thought we were tight dude, wtf?
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Slash27 on October 05, 2007, 11:20:37 PM: :lol
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: megadud on October 05, 2007, 11:24:55 PM: :D :aok
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 05, 2007, 11:28:34 PM: Quote
Originally posted by megadud
I don't like the muppets because they kicked me out of their squad forum for no reason,

I specifically told you that was a mistake(Fes was cleaning house of some old sqdies that were no longer with us) and I told you to talk to Fes, coming on here and painting it another color is quite weak. Anyway, lets get back to the topic at hand.

Bmathis
Lazydog2
Optiker
Etoh
Bosco123
AKJrDogg
Traveler1
Bison
Cowboy45
Olds695
Baumer

Anymore?
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: megadud on October 05, 2007, 11:44:29 PM: Quote
Originally posted by SkyRock
I specifically told you that was a mistake(Fes was cleaning house of some old sqdies that were no longer with us) and I told you to talk to Fes, coming on here and painting it another color is quite weak. Anyway, lets get back to the topic at hand.

i know you are but what am i
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 06, 2007, 01:06:50 AM: Quote
Originally posted by megadud
i know you are but what am i
:rolleyes:
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: shamroc on October 06, 2007, 01:32:45 AM: Quote
Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
eryone of us at some point in time have acted the same way including myself..

Peps with attitude like Skyrock's are nothing new to the game.. There have always been folk just like him (right or wrong) and you will find them in any online game as in life.. And I will say it again... There have 'always' been peps that felt the desire to shout their skill.. I'm not certain where we derive these nostalgic memories of this game with the belief that once all was perfect and pure..

In the old Airwarrior days, people were a lot more mean and cynical than they are today... in fact, many of the insulting vernacular you hear today (ie "dweeb") comes from AW - also, there was nowhere near as much a sense of "fair play" as you have today - vulching was looked at as a good thing, and "picking" was an unknown word. In fact, just about the only thing that was frowned upon was HOing - but, that was only because old AW had no collision detection.

Finally, getting "Hate" was considered the greatest goal of all.

So yeah, anyone who thinks the "old roots" of this game were full of "fair play" and "sportsmanship" is sorely mistaken.

For the record, I far prefer today's "Knights of the Air" attitude, but I also don't knock guys like Skyrock, because his personality is the old tradition of the game. :D

Besides - often times, guys like him rudely push a message that has hidden good (ie: negative motivation to better yourself and stop being such a know-it-all dweeb)

Shamroc
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: BMathis on October 06, 2007, 02:32:11 AM: Quote
Originally posted by TequilaChaser
wow long thread, 5 pages....dang internet problems kept me away since early monday morning

bmathis, that feller is a chunk of coal that will polish into a sparkling BIG Dog diamond someday!!!! and I can not recall him ever being rude or smack talking........

WOW, Thanks bud! I'm honored, seriously... I try to learn as much as posible every day, And I really appreciate your comment. I have to give props to Geaux, RedHawk, JG3, Skyrock and the rest that have given me a BIG clue into what is real ACM.

<~~>! It's truely awsome to fly with the caliber of pilots this game beholds!!!~~
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: jaxxo on October 06, 2007, 04:05:56 AM: 'LMAO! Prove your statement, or did you forget you posted it? You would get smacked no matter how long you practiced up for it. You were a lousy little twit back then, and the biggest leg humper in the game, yet you want to talk smack like you weren't. You were scared to duel me back in the day because you wouldn't have been able to handle defeat. Now, your just a lousy little twit visiting the boards.

I back up my talk, the same can't be said about you.

PS Get off my ankle, you look like a dork down there!'

probably the dumbest thing ive ever seen you post
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 06, 2007, 08:26:49 AM: Quote
Originally posted by jaxxo
probably the dumbest thing ive ever seen you post

SkyRock<---------scrapes Jaxxtard from his ankle and sprays Jaxxoff on to prevent further infestation!

:aok
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SlapShot on October 06, 2007, 08:44:15 AM: Quote
Originally posted by SkyRock
I specifically told you that was a mistake(Fes was cleaning house of some old sqdies that were no longer with us) and I told you to talk to Fes, coming on here and painting it another color is quite weak. Anyway, lets get back to the topic at hand.

Bmathis
Lazydog2
Optiker
Etoh
Bosco123
AKJrDogg
Traveler1
Bison
Cowboy45
Olds695
Baumer

Anymore?

Yeah ... nc33
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 06, 2007, 08:49:40 AM: Bmathis
Lazydog2
Optiker
Etoh
Bosco123
AKJrDogg
Traveler1
Bison
Cowboy45
Olds695
Baumer
nc33
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Bosco123 on October 06, 2007, 10:18:59 AM: Quote
Originally posted by SkyRock
I specifically told you that was a mistake(Fes was cleaning house of some old sqdies that were no longer with us) and I told you to talk to Fes, coming on here and painting it another color is quite weak. Anyway, lets get back to the topic at hand.

Bmathis
Lazydog2
Optiker
Etoh
Bosco123
AKJrDogg
Traveler1
Bison
Cowboy45
Olds695
Baumer

Anymore?

not that I want him but add that Bearkats feller in that mix, he's an excellent stick nad want to fight him down.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: TheBug on October 06, 2007, 10:37:40 AM: Quote
Originally posted by shamroc
I
So yeah, anyone who thinks the "old roots" of this game were full of "fair play" and "sportsmanship" is sorely mistaken.

If you also consider Warbirds as "old roots" of this game I'm sorry but I would have to disagree with you there.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: BMathis on October 06, 2007, 10:38:44 AM: Less than a year playing Boscoe. Lookin For rookie sticks bud
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Widewing on October 06, 2007, 10:42:43 AM: Quote
Originally posted by SkyRock

Optiker
Bosco123
Bison
Cowboy45
Olds695

I know these gents and all of them have come a long way in the past months. All but Bosco123 participated in a Trainer's clinic a week ago Thursday. I had a chance to see their improvement. Given a few more months, these guys will be approaching top tier.

guys! Keep plugging away. It's paying off.

My regards,

Widewing
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Bosco123 on October 06, 2007, 11:34:18 AM: Quote
Originally posted by bnasty
Less than a year playing Boscoe. Lookin For rookie sticks bud

he has been playing for less than a year, hasn't he?:confused:

guess I am going to fly with widewing one of these days.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Bronk on October 06, 2007, 11:51:04 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Bosco123
he has been playing for less than a year, hasn't he?:confused:

goldhuskykat? no he has been here a bit.

Bronk
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Yknurd on October 06, 2007, 12:20:23 PM: Quote
Originally posted by jaxxo
'probably the dumbest thing ive ever seen you post

Are you sure?

He's posted an awful lot of stupid stuff. It's really hard to cherry pick when you have so many to choose from.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Dichotomy on October 06, 2007, 02:04:07 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Widewing
I know these gents and all of them have come a long way in the past months. All but Bosco123 participated in a Trainer's clinic a week ago Thursday. I had a chance to see their improvement. Given a few more months, these guys will be approaching top tier.

guys! Keep plugging away. It's paying off.

My regards,

Widewing

Originally posted by SkyRock

Optiker - 332nd
Bosco123
Bison - 332nd
Cowboy45 - 332nd
Olds695 - 332nd

:D

Recruiting efforts are paying off BIGTIME

Good to see these guys get noticed even the non squad mates. Class acts all of them :aok
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: storch on October 06, 2007, 03:29:53 PM: why all this fuss over big dogs? us yorkies need love too. sheesh.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 06, 2007, 04:12:25 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Yknurd
Are you sure?

He's posted an awful lot of stupid stuff. It's really hard to cherry pick when you have so many to choose from.

SkyRock<-----pauses trying to pry Jaxoo from my left ankle and turns attention to smelly drunky humpin my right. Anyone have a couple of crow bars?:aok
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 06, 2007, 04:20:14 PM: Quote
Originally posted by storch
why all this fuss over big dogs? us yorkies need love too. sheesh.

lolz Storch, but let me explain the term big dog. In the south, becoming a big dog doesn't neccessarily mean that you are the best, but more of a right of passage from moving up in the ranks. "He made up on the porch with the big dogs." Welcoming in a new generation of fighters by bringing them up on the porch for a smoke and a beer! (cept for Jr. Dogg cause AKdogg said he would beat me up if we let Jr drink or watch pron!)hee heee j/k AKDogg:D

Anyway, if everyone would invite these fellas into the DA and help them if they need it and ask for help if you need it, and enjoy some good fights!

~~Mark~~
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Yknurd on October 06, 2007, 05:28:58 PM: You know, your 'character' is neither very smart nor very imaginative.

Blah, blah, blah...this person is humping my ankle. Blah, blah, blah...that person is humping my ankle.

You're a dork and a bad excuse for a Shane imitation.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: B@tfinkV on October 06, 2007, 05:40:45 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Yknurd
or nor

im sure that dont not work right.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: jaxxo on October 06, 2007, 05:51:01 PM: pwn...blah blah...get off ankle..blahh..blahhh blahhhhhhhh zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzz

:rolleyes:
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: TequilaChaser on October 06, 2007, 06:57:13 PM: but why are you inviting them on the porch? paw always said " If You can't Run with the Big Dogs, better stay on the porch" so the Big Dogs are not on the porch, the whining whimpering pups are to scared to come off the porch, still need maw's tit!

sort of the liking "just a bunch of tickturds"

or "earn your wings and soar with Eagles, or flop around fluttering with all the bunch of turkeys"

and why should it be just for the guys with 1 year or less, I would say it should be the group with 1 year to 3 years game experience, these are the one's who are in transition from the "noob" status to the "up and coming vet status"

and yes some of the 332nd has really excelled at improving, and bmathis and others optiker etc...

but the ones who are in transition of being the next group or class , I think should be players like

TBarone, Simiral, Schatzi, Allison, Betty, WildSau, amongst others.......ones who have did their one year being called newbie and stuff, yet took the time to better themselves by sacrificing any personal time to better themselves at the game with their flying ability as well as their conduct and etiquette in game and on the boards....... why should this group of "alloted time in game, be overlooked?

not taking anything away from any of the newer / less than 1 year flying time......but their are others who I feel should be recognized just the same as if not before people with just 1 year or less time in game.......

edit: and if any of you did not get my hidden message in my first post, I was trying to show that once you hit a certian level, it really does come down to who is having an off day vs who is having an on day.....at that level sometimes a person will get their clock cleaned and then 2 days later that person will turn around and clean the other players clock for them........so nothing really means anything as long as you all are having fun and enjoying the fights!
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SteveBailey on October 06, 2007, 07:01:47 PM: Ya,. I've always heard it the same way too. "If you don't want to run with the big dogs, stay on the porch."
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Yknurd on October 06, 2007, 07:11:02 PM: Quote
Originally posted by B@tfinkV
im sure that dont not work right.

Ha, your write.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 06, 2007, 07:15:06 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Yknurd
You know, your ankle turns me on.

:rofl SkyRock<----------can't pry anklehumperyknurdtard off ankle........help!!!!!

:eek:
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: WWM on October 06, 2007, 07:17:01 PM: I always try to imagine TC's accent when I read his posts. :D You're a great guy TC and I love training with ya.:aok

WWM
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 06, 2007, 07:18:26 PM: Quote
Originally posted by TequilaChaser
but why are you inviting them on the porch? paw always said " If You can't Run with the Big Dogs, better stay on the porch" so the Big Dogs are not on the porch, the whining whimpering pups are to scared to come off the porch, still need maw's tit!

sort of the liking "just a bunch of tickturds"

or "earn your wings and soar with Eagles, or flop around fluttering with all the bunch of turkeys"

and why should it be just for the guys with 1 year or less, I would say it should be the group with 1 year to 3 years game experience, these are the one's who are in transition from the "noob" status to the "up and coming vet status"

and yes some of the 332nd has really excelled at improving, and bmathis and others optiker etc...

but the ones who are in transition of being the next group or class , I think should be players like

TBarone, Simiral, Schatzi, Allison, Betty, WildSau, amongst others.......ones who have did their one year being called newbie and stuff, yet took the time to better themselves by sacrificing any personal time to better themselves at the game with their flying ability as well as their conduct and etiquette in game and on the boards....... why should this group of "alloted time in game, be overlooked?

not taking anything away from any of the newer / less than 1 year flying time......but their are others who I feel should be recognized just the same as if not before people with just 1 year or less time in game.......

edit: and if any of you did not get my hidden message in my first post, I was trying to show that once you hit a certian level, it really does come down to who is having an off day vs who is having an on day.....at that level sometimes a person will get their clock cleaned and then 2 days later that person will turn around and clean the other players clock for them........so nothing really means anything as long as you all are having fun and enjoying the fights!

TC, although you are correct about your analogy, I was referring to the analogy of feeding time. The big dogs would not let pups on the porch to eat until after they were done. I will go with yours though!;)

Invite them to go running!!!!
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 06, 2007, 07:21:49 PM: Quote
Originally posted by jaxxo
Move over yknurd, I want some too, I love him.

SkyRock<----------scared of Jaxxo's obsession.:noid
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: storch on October 06, 2007, 09:00:29 PM: jaxxo and skycrock (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA95UgIfBB8) get a room gents watch some videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLmLFvubXf4&mode=related&search=)
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Angry Samoan on October 06, 2007, 09:05:40 PM: Quote
Originally posted by storch
jaxxo and skycrock (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA95UgIfBB8) get a room gents watch some videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLmLFvubXf48mode=related&search=)

:rofl
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: wrag on October 06, 2007, 09:16:09 PM: Quote
Originally posted by TequilaChaser
but why are you inviting them on the porch? paw always said " If You can't Run with the Big Dogs, better stay on the porch" so the Big Dogs are not on the porch, the whining whimpering pups are to scared to come off the porch, still need maw's tit!

sort of the liking "just a bunch of tickturds"

or "earn your wings and soar with Eagles, or flop around fluttering with all the bunch of turkeys"

and why should it be just for the guys with 1 year or less, I would say it should be the group with 1 year to 3 years game experience, these are the one's who are in transition from the "noob" status to the "up and coming vet status"

and yes some of the 332nd has really excelled at improving, and bmathis and others optiker etc...

but the ones who are in transition of being the next group or class , I think should be players like

TBarone, Simiral, Schatzi, Allison, Betty, WildSau, amongst others.......ones who have did their one year being called newbie and stuff, yet took the time to better themselves by sacrificing any personal time to better themselves at the game with their flying ability as well as their conduct and etiquette in game and on the boards....... why should this group of "alloted time in game, be overlooked?

not taking anything away from any of the newer / less than 1 year flying time......but their are others who I feel should be recognized just the same as if not before people with just 1 year or less time in game.......

edit: and if any of you did not get my hidden message in my first post, I was trying to show that once you hit a certian level, it really does come down to who is having an off day vs who is having an on day.....at that level sometimes a person will get their clock cleaned and then 2 days later that person will turn around and clean the other players clock for them........so nothing really means anything as long as you all are having fun and enjoying the fights!

sniff sniff..............

I don't see wrag's name there? I'm a noob HONEST!! n fur TRUE I are!:D

Just ask aroun!:confused:

:noid :noid :noid sniff sniff

:t
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Hap on October 06, 2007, 10:04:45 PM: Quote
Originally posted by SkyRock
LMAO! Prove your statement, or did you forget you posted it? :rofl You would get smacked no matter how long you practiced up for it. You were a lousy little twit back then, and the biggest leg humper in the game, yet you want to talk smack like you weren't. You were scared to duel me back in the day because you wouldn't have been able to handle defeat. Now, your just a lousy little twit visiting the boards.

I back up my talk, the same can't be said about you. :aok

PS Get off my ankle, you look like a dork down there!

:D Made me laugh for so many reasons.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: MajWoody on October 07, 2007, 01:42:41 AM: I haven't seen agents name come up. I think he deserves a vote.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: BMathis on October 07, 2007, 01:50:00 AM: Quote
Originally posted by TequilaChaser
but why are you inviting them on the porch? paw always said " If You can't Run with the Big Dogs, better stay on the porch" so the Big Dogs are not on the porch, the whining whimpering pups are to scared to come off the porch, still need maw's tit!

sort of the liking "just a bunch of tickturds"

or "earn your wings and soar with Eagles, or flop around fluttering with all the bunch of turkeys"

and why should it be just for the guys with 1 year or less, I would say it should be the group with 1 year to 3 years game experience, these are the one's who are in transition from the "noob" status to the "up and coming vet status"

and yes some of the 332nd has really excelled at improving, and bmathis and others optiker etc...

but the ones who are in transition of being the next group or class , I think should be players like

TBarone, Simiral, Schatzi, Allison, Betty, WildSau, amongst others.......ones who have did their one year being called newbie and stuff, yet took the time to better themselves by sacrificing any personal time to better themselves at the game with their flying ability as well as their conduct and etiquette in game and on the boards....... why should this group of "alloted time in game, be overlooked?

not taking anything away from any of the newer / less than 1 year flying time......but their are others who I feel should be recognized just the same as if not before people with just 1 year or less time in game.......

edit: and if any of you did not get my hidden message in my first post, I was trying to show that once you hit a certian level, it really does come down to who is having an off day vs who is having an on day.....at that level sometimes a person will get their clock cleaned and then 2 days later that person will turn around and clean the other players clock for them........so nothing really means anything as long as you all are having fun and enjoying the fights!
Well said TC. And yes his accent is very prevelent in those KOTH's. :) One of the best all around people I've seen on this GAME yet. <~~>!!!~~
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 07, 2007, 03:48:52 AM: Quote
Originally posted by bnasty [/iOne of the best all around people I've seen on this GAME yet. <~~>!!!~~

~~tnx :aok~~
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: B@tfinkV on October 07, 2007, 06:49:51 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Yknurd
Ha, your write.

write on!
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Widewing on October 07, 2007, 08:59:15 AM: Quote
Originally posted by MajWoody
I haven't seen agents name come up. I think he deserves a vote.

Agent360 isn't a less than a 1 year player... Skychimp was his former handle, IIRC.

My regards

Widewing
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: clerick on October 07, 2007, 10:50:24 AM: Not a single 38-dweeb in the bunch! S.A.P.P. Represent!

P-38's rule! :aok
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 07, 2007, 11:44:28 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Widewing
Agent360 isn't a less than a 1 year player... Skychimp was his former handle, IIRC.

My regards

Widewing

negative there, bro.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Morpheus on October 07, 2007, 12:26:47 PM: Quote
Originally posted by SkyRock
LMAO! Prove your statement, or did you forget you posted it? :rofl You would get smacked no matter how long you practiced up for it. You were a lousy little twit back then, and the biggest leg humper in the game, yet you want to talk smack like you weren't. You were scared to duel me back in the day because you wouldn't have been able to handle defeat. Now, your just a lousy little twit visiting the boards.

I back up my talk, the same can't be said about you. :aok

PS Get off my ankle, you look like a dork down there!

LOLzzz I think i struck a nerve with that one. Look at you go.

Thank you. :D
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 07, 2007, 12:40:03 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Morpheus
LOLzzz I think i struck a nerve with that one. Look at you go.

Thank you. :D

negative. :aok
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: B@tfinkV on October 07, 2007, 12:52:38 PM: as far as actualy just the flying side of this game goes, i have alot of respect for morpheus as a flyer. skyrock i would watch your tounge i did the same once along time ago about spit16 vs a6m, and he beat me to a pulp.

might agree with alot of insults to throw this way but bad flyer or ankle humper morpheus is not.

surely youre forgetting morpheus was a vet before you had finished yur two weeks.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Husky01 on October 07, 2007, 12:52:53 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Bosco123
he has been playing for less than a year, hasn't he?:confused:

.

Ive been around for a while
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: SkyRock on October 07, 2007, 01:47:58 PM: Quote
Originally posted by B@tfinkV
as far as actualy just the flying side of this game goes, i have alot of respect for morpheus as a flyer. skyrock i would watch your tounge i did the same once along time ago about spit16 vs a6m, and he beat me to a pulp.

might agree with alot of insults to throw this way but bad flyer or ankle humper morpheus is not.

surely youre forgetting morpheus was a vet before you had finished yur two weeks.

:lol No worries over here, bro, if he wants some, he knows where to find me!:aok
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Slash27 on October 07, 2007, 05:48:45 PM: Quote
Originally posted by B@tfinkV
as far as actualy just the flying side of this game goes, i have alot of respect for morpheus as a flyer. skyrock i would watch your tounge i did the same once along time ago about spit16 vs a6m, and he beat me to a pulp.

might agree with alot of insults to throw this way but bad flyer or ankle humper morpheus is not.

surely youre forgetting morpheus was a vet before you had finished yur two weeks.

Slash27<------- rents Batfink
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Oldman731 on October 07, 2007, 10:42:11 PM: Quote
Originally posted by B@tfinkV
as far as actualy just the flying side of this game goes, i have alot of respect for morpheus as a flyer. skyrock i would watch your tounge i did the same once along time ago about spit16 vs a6m, and he beat me to a pulp.

might agree with alot of insults to throw this way but bad flyer or ankle humper morpheus is not.

surely youre forgetting morpheus was a vet before you had finished yur two weeks.

Agreed. An amazing shot he is.

Pleasant, too.

- oldman
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: MajWoody on October 08, 2007, 10:09:14 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Widewing
Agent360 isn't a less than a 1 year player... Skychimp was his former handle, IIRC.

My regards

Widewing

Skychimp is now avaro I believe.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: 68slayr on October 08, 2007, 10:27:00 AM: <--------teh l33t :p
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: VansCrew1 on October 08, 2007, 02:06:30 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Husky01
Ive been around for a while

goldelks-Husky01-Bearkats...been about 2years i beleave,started sometime close to when i started.
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Bosco123 on October 08, 2007, 03:46:32 PM: would have love to face bearkats, but still will have a good time killing the noobs on this game.:D
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: Big Rat on October 08, 2007, 07:35:14 PM: Quote
Originally posted by NoBaddy
Slap...

Yah, Lazy is a good guy and he is making the effort. I'm trying to get him out of those fargin wildcats to work on gunnery and E management. (I blame you for his F4F fetish :D). A couple more that are making the effort, Tatour and Wild73tx. They may never make great fiter jocks...but, at least they now fly something besides bombers. :)

Finally, Black70...got the head for it...just needs more challenges.

BTW, Lazy's latest challenge is to fly the 109 and get kills without shooting head on.

Lazy's favorite now is the F6F, I'm trying to convert him over to the 109F/G2:D

Cheers
BigRat
Title: Who's the next big dogs?
Post by: betty on October 16, 2007, 08:12:29 PM: Quote
Originally posted by TequilaChaser
but why are you inviting them on the porch? paw always said " If You can't Run with the Big Dogs, better stay on the porch" so the Big Dogs are not on the porch, the whining whimpering pups are to scared to come off the porch, still need maw's tit!

sort of the liking "just a bunch of tickturds"

or "earn your wings and soar with Eagles, or flop around fluttering with all the bunch of turkeys"

and why should it be just for the guys with 1 year or less, I would say it should be the group with 1 year to 3 years game experience, these are the one's who are in transition from the "noob" status to the "up and coming vet status"

and yes some of the 332nd has really excelled at improving, and bmathis and others optiker etc...

but the ones who are in transition of being the next group or class , I think should be players like

TBarone, Simiral, Schatzi, Allison, Betty, WildSau, amongst others.......ones who have did their one year being called newbie and stuff, yet took the time to better themselves by sacrificing any personal time to better themselves at the game with their flying ability as well as their conduct and etiquette in game and on the boards....... why should this group of "alloted time in game, be overlooked?

not taking anything away from any of the newer / less than 1 year flying time......but their are others who I feel should be recognized just the same as if not before people with just 1 year or less time in game.......

edit: and if any of you did not get my hidden message in my first post, I was trying to show that once you hit a certian level, it really does come down to who is having an off day vs who is having an on day.....at that level sometimes a person will get their clock cleaned and then 2 days later that person will turn around and clean the other players clock for them........so nothing really means anything as long as you all are having fun and enjoying the fights!

nice TC! u know, i'm not looking for any recognition in here, i just had a good teacher. kermit is the one that taught me how to fly my tiff, plissken showed me how to fly bombers and how to see out that "lil dinky hole" in gv's. i think of myself as lucky to have all you guys giving advice and kermit and plissken helping me learn the game. i been playin for almost 3 years, i just like to go around lookin for a good fight :)