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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: captkaos on October 02, 2007, 12:23:43 PM
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I am really getting tired of people telling me that there are rules for a merge in the MA. If you get in front of my guns, I will shoot. It is that simple. Do not be foolish enough to fly your plane directly towards mine and think that I will not shoot. I cannot wait to see if you are going to shoot or not. I do not know who out there is flying according to some stupid merge rules that have no place in the main arean and those who are fighting the best they can. I do not choose the H.O. as means to start a fight, but sometimes it happens.
By the way, if you have the fire power, a head on is a good tactic. Do not fly directly towards a 110, a mossie, a nikki, or any other plane with cannons. Odds are you will die.
If you want rules on a merge, go to a dueling arena!
So if you complain to me when I shoot you down for flying toward my plane, you will be ignored!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yawn :huh
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I try to look at as "honorable" NOT to shoot in an head on merge. alas, far to many people believe they don't have the "skill" to fight and maneuver for a kill shot so they in stead take the cheap shots..... to each his own.
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Captain, don't let them get you down.
If they are in the gun sight, pull the trigger, don't feel bad. The only thing that matters is who lives and who dies, not how it happened.
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Or when they whine about, "You broke the rules!" you simply respond saying, "Well thank you."
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Originally posted by captkaos
I am really getting tired of people telling me that there are rules for a merge in the MA. If you get in front of my guns, I will shoot. It is that simple. Do not be foolish enough to fly your plane directly towards mine and think that I will not shoot. I cannot wait to see if you are going to shoot or not. I do not know who out there is flying according to some stupid merge rules that have no place in the main arean and those who are fighting the best they can. I do not choose the H.O. as means to start a fight, but sometimes it happens.
By the way, if you have the fire power, a head on is a good tactic. Do not fly directly towards a 110, a mossie, a nikki, or any other plane with cannons. Odds are you will die.
If you want rules on a merge, go to a dueling arena!
So if you complain to me when I shoot you down for flying toward my plane, you will be ignored!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'd hate to see what you'd type if we were not to be ignored :O
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Fugitive,
My question is how do you know if the other person will be honorable? Sounds like s risk that I am not willing to take. Besides, where is the skill in putting your plane directly in front of an enemies guns.
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Originally posted by captkaos
Fugitive,
My question is how do you know if the other person will be honorable? Sounds like s risk that I am not willing to take. Besides, where is the skill in putting your plane directly in front of an enemies guns.
You don't know. It's a choice you have to make. I expect that folks are going to HO and generally starting from 1K out or more.
It's the guy that doesn't HO that I know is going to be a fight.
And yeah I've paid the price for not HO'ing back and misjudging the attempt to avoid it and dying. But since the cartoon planes are free and I didn't really die, it's just not that big a deal.
But expect that the guy you are going nose to nose in the merge with is going to HO. Sadly it's the rule, not the exception.
You'll hear all kinds of justifications for it, but in my mind, until we actually start dying for real and have some actual risk in going head on with someone, it's just a lazy way out of a fight.
Just my opinion though. You have to fly the way you want and most importantly the way you have the most fun.
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Originally posted by captkaos
Fugitive,
My question is how do you know if the other person will be honorable? Sounds like s risk that I am not willing to take. Besides, where is the skill in putting your plane directly in front of an enemies guns.
Ooooooh, thats easy. Follow your own advice. Don't fly HO to him and you have nothing to worry about.
What you are really saying is that you will and do fly HO intentionally all the time but it is the other guys fault for doing the same :rofl
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"Do not be foolish enough to fly your plane directly towards mine and think that I will not shoot."
But, but, I still have faith in mans basic goodness. ;)
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Originally posted by captkaos
Fugitive,
My question is how do you know if the other person will be honorable? Sounds like s risk that I am not willing to take. Besides, where is the skill in putting your plane directly in front of an enemies guns.
Why pray tell are u in front of his guns then?
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The only rules in the MA are the ones set forth by HTC regarding vox, chat, etc. and FE manipulation. All others are just peoples opinions of how the game should be played which really don't mean squat.
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Originally posted by Flatbar
The only rules in the MA are the ones set forth by HTC regarding vox, chat, etc. and FE manipulation. All others are just peoples opinions of how the game should be played which really don't mean squat.
Unless of course, they are in line with yours.
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Originally posted by Tiger
The only thing that matters is who lives and who dies, not how it happened.
There are some who believe this should be reversed.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Tiger
The only thing that matters is who lives and who dies, not how it happened.
spoken like a true tard! :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Tiger
The only thing that matters is who lives and who dies, not how it happened.
oh lord. tell me where I can send you a quarter, you need to buy a clue.
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I do not intentionally turn head on towards someone, but it does happen in furballs. Yes, it is not smart to fly directly at someone. Often, however, others turn and head towards me at 1K or less. yes I shoot and turn. When they die, they complain about the HO.
I am not talking about flying at someone 5 K and shooting at 1K. I am referning to when you turn and find yourself in an unintentional head on.
I will admit, that when in a 110 or Mossie, I have no problem with flying directly towards anyone stupid enough to fly directly at a 110.
Also, lets not forget when someone has altitude and E on you, the best defense is to turn your guns directly towards them to get them to break and give up E.
So in review, NO, I do not fly a standard fighter to intentionally HO. But we all know that HO's can happen in any turn fight.
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Besides, where is the skill in putting your plane directly in front of an enemies guns.
actually, I am close to nose on w/ the nme on most merges.
and I rarely get ho'd.
well...
I rarely get shot, i'm constantly ho'd at.
typically i'm already 1/2 way around on 'em b4 they let off the trigger.
I LOVE HO'rs.
ezy kills.
(edit: i'd like to add that I find much humor in being on their 6 after one move and watching them flop around not having the slightest idea what to do when they are not jousting.)
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To HO or Not To HO that is the whine. Anyway, I try not to HO, not saying I've never HO'ed someone, but the more and more I play I try to avoid it at all cost. By chance if I do go against a pilot that does not HO on the first shot, I will salute them and let them know I appreciate the opening Non-HO pass. If they do HO on first pass and I die, I just up a new plane and head back for the HO'er. It then becomes my responsibility as the HO'ee to send the HO'er to the ground in a ball of flames.:aok
Sorry for all of the odd lingo, closing on my first home, so all the ers and ees are stuck ing my head.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
spoken like a true tard! :rolleyes:
Spoken from a true tard.
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Originally posted by storch
oh lord. tell me where I can send you a quarter, you need to buy a clue.
You might want to keep that quarter, you apparently need it more than I do.
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Originally posted by dedalos
Unless of course, they are in line with yours.
You must have meant 'yours' in the possesive....never mind.
The only rules outside of HTC's that I react to in the MA are the inevetable wife ack rules, hard to ignore those...yesserieBob!
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Countless John Wayne & Jimmy Stewart movies have teached me that shooting a man in the back is dishonorable - he has to face you!
I try to follow that rule in the MA whenever I can :t ;)
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The way I see it, Ho'ing is no different than Furballing, cherry picking or vulching. You are attempting to kill the enemy in whatever manner possible given your current situation.
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Originally posted by WMLute
actually, I am close to nose on w/ the nme on most merges.
and I rarely get ho'd.
well...
I rarely get shot, i'm constantly ho'd at.
typically i'm already 1/2 way around on 'em b4 they let off the trigger.
I LOVE HO'rs.
ezy kills.
(edit: i'd like to add that I find much humor in being on their 6 after one move and watching them flop around not having the slightest idea what to do when they are not jousting.)
And this is coming from someone who stays at 12K BnZing all day :lol j/k Lute, I will shoot you down one day :D
If you choose to HO then by all means go for it, if not then don't; simple as that. if you die in a HO then you obviously did something wrong.
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Originally posted by Latrobe
SNIP
if you die in a HO then you obviously did something wrong.
Makes sense to me, but I bet 100 fighter perks, someone will whine in disagreement in a few seconds.
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I didn't know that there were specific rules on when you could shoot an opposing gamer down. If they come into the gunsight, shoot them.
No matter what angle, altitude or condition. If it is flyhing and can fight, kill it ::aok :noid :noid :t
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this thread is full of folks that wouldnt know an acm if it bit them on the nose and take pride in being a gamey HO twit tard!:aok
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What this really boils down to is how much the novelty of getting kills for the sake of getting kills has faded for a particular player. For those who still get really excited about kills then who lives or dies not how it happens will be their thinking. For those who have lost the novelty of getting a kill because it has happened so much, they will prefer the its how it happened not who lives or dies.
Really, both ways of thinking are valid, I believe the first is from a less evolved player, and the second from a more evolved player, in terms of how long they have played the game and how much their skill has improved.
I suspect a really good dog fighter will simply get bored cherry picking. What that player looks for is a really good fight, win or lose.
The only problem I see here is a lack of willingness to appreciate that the Aces High community is made up a a great diversity of personalities and skill leves.
Todays cherry picker is tomorrows dogfighter, he simply needs to get bored of cherry picking and wish to improve his skills to become a good dogfighter.
I have reached that point, and wish to take the next step and rely less on cherry picking for kills and become a more effective dogfighter. But I need some help, anybody up to the challenge? Let me know I want to learn.
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I HO only noobs and gangers. And pickers. Vulchers too, I guess. Occasionally I will HO to clear someone's six, or at least fire a few rounds past someone's nose to encourage them to break. I think that works better than actually HOing them, because you get a nice planeform shot when they break.
I won't try to rationalize it, it's simply what I do. You will get shot down a lot more going for HO shots, I can tell you that.
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Originally posted by VERTEX
I have reached that point, and wish to take the next step and rely less on cherry picking for kills and become a more effective dogfighter. But I need some help, anybody up to the challenge? Let me know I want to learn.
Heh, seems to me you're doing quite well all on your own, Vertex.
- oldman
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From what I understand CT will change the HO..... the HO'ers will stay in the MA. If you die in CT you start all over training. So folks like kaos will be scarce in there.
In 2 weeks.
PS Nothing "valid tactic" about a HO... it's a last ditch effort by either a outflown pilot or a pilot in a damaged a/c. No intelligent real life pilot would ever maneuver to setup a head on canon or no canon. Only takes a BB in the head to kill you or your engine.
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Go ahead and ho me on the first pass. That move is a red flag to me that your going to die within 18 second or faster. The one rule that I would like to see is for people not to go on the 3rd 4th merge. If you can last that long then you know better than to f*** up a good fight with a chicken watermelon move like that.it takes a good man to reconzie that it was a Ho and call himself on it. This has happen to me a hand full of time and it does give me more respect for that person than those that declare victory. At that level of play we should all be respectfull of each other.
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Originally posted by VERTEX
What this really boils down to is how much the novelty of getting kills for the sake of getting kills has faded for a particular player. For those who still get really excited about kills then who lives or dies not how it happens will be their thinking. For those who have lost the novelty of getting a kill because it has happened so much, they will prefer the its how it happened not who lives or dies.
Really, both ways of thinking are valid, I believe the first is from a less evolved player, and the second from a more evolved player, in terms of how long they have played the game and how much their skill has improved.
I suspect a really good dog fighter will simply get bored cherry picking. What that player looks for is a really good fight, win or lose.
The only problem I see here is a lack of willingness to appreciate that the Aces High community is made up a a great diversity of personalities and skill leves.
Todays cherry picker is tomorrows dogfighter, he simply needs to get bored of cherry picking and wish to improve his skills to become a good dogfighter.
I have reached that point, and wish to take the next step and rely less on cherry picking for kills and become a more effective dogfighter. But I need some help, anybody up to the challenge? Let me know I want to learn.
Too bad this is too big for sig material.
Excellent post!!!!!:aok
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Originally posted by captkaos
I do not intentionally turn head on towards someone, but it does happen in furballs. Yes, it is not smart to fly directly at someone. Often, however, others turn and head towards me at 1K or less. yes I shoot and turn. When they die, they complain about the HO.
I am not talking about flying at someone 5 K and shooting at 1K. I am referning to when you turn and find yourself in an unintentional head on.
Yes, you're right, it happens in furball, but, unless you're within 2/300 yards from your opponent, you can always easily avoid it, and not losing, most of the times, any positional advantage. Besides, it's always your choice, very few times you're really forced to pull the trigger in those situations.
As for HOing in general, what Lute said:
I LOVE HO'rs.
ezy kills.
And, Vertex:
What this really boils down to is how much the novelty of getting kills for the sake of getting kills has faded for a particular player.
Todays cherry picker is tomorrows dogfighter, he simply needs to get bored of cherry picking and wish to improve his skills to become a good dogfighter.
I don't think it's like that, at least not for most part of the players... it's more a matter of the easy way compared to the hard way. The ones willing to follow the latter one, will begin since they're noob and try as hard as they can, not caring for dying or not getting kills. The ones that just wants to see their names in yellow, won't ever be bored or willing of improve themselves and test their skills.
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:cool:
Point your nose at me and I'll generally move around the shot and not HO someone and work another solution mostly becuase I hate getting my paint marked up... But thats more to me not wanting to work the odds playing with a cannon monkey vs. my poor shooting :)
But I will pop more than a few off on someone silly enough to offer a cockpit shot on a poor merge approch on thier part . That would mean they didn't have a nose on me.. :t
Keep the whines coming on 200 as I enjoy spinning up those not smart enough to know they asked for that cockpit pilot wound :)
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Originally posted by storch
oh lord. tell me where I can send you a quarter, you need to buy a clue.
Storch...
Clues are $.75 these days....inflation. :)
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Originally posted by SkyRock
this thread is full of folks that wouldnt know an acm if it bit them on the nose and take pride in being a gamey HO twit tard!:aok
SkyRock...that sounds like me. I know very few ACM's. I just fly the way I want to. I maneuver my plane the way I think will be the best move by using COMMON SENSE. I try not to go for a HO unless it is necessary.
So........ needless to say... i dont care if i Get HOed unless I am outnumbered. That is when Hoing gets really annoying!:furious
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Originally posted by VERTEX
What this really boils down to is how much the novelty of getting kills for the sake of getting kills has faded for a particular player. For those who still get really excited about kills then who lives or dies not how it happens will be their thinking. For those who have lost the novelty of getting a kill because it has happened so much, they will prefer the its how it happened not who lives or dies.
Really, both ways of thinking are valid, I believe the first is from a less evolved player, and the second from a more evolved player, in terms of how long they have played the game and how much their skill has improved.
I suspect a really good dog fighter will simply get bored cherry picking. What that player looks for is a really good fight, win or lose.
The only problem I see here is a lack of willingness to appreciate that the Aces High community is made up a a great diversity of personalities and skill leves.
Todays cherry picker is tomorrows dogfighter, he simply needs to get bored of cherry picking and wish to improve his skills to become a good dogfighter.
I have reached that point, and wish to take the next step and rely less on cherry picking for kills and become a more effective dogfighter. But I need some help, anybody up to the challenge? Let me know I want to learn.
I can't teach you anything, I'm still stumbling along myself, but if you are ever in the mood, I'd be happy to go a couple rounds with you in the TA or DA.
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leave the fake "honor" crap at the door.....Ho's happened everyday in the War....get with it? ....or get over it
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Originally posted by Helm
leave the fake "honor" crap at the door.....Ho's happened everyday in the War....get with it? ....or get over it
When did a game become war ?
The only honor here is giving a for a good fight .
Don't HO and yu'll get a salute .
If yu wanna HO , knock yourself out , just don't go to the
BB looking for sympathy or justification .
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HOing sucks big time its boring people with the alt advantage on you turning flying straight and HO you then make no attempt to fight you just fly off into the distance. You'll never stop people doing it unless maybe you changed the game so that someone who doesnt ho receives no damage.
Or maybe put it in peoples scores along with hit ratio etc so people can see how they get their kills?
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God its dark in here are the shades down or something?
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Perhaps the scoring/kills should be broken down by Vultch kills, HO kills, and Real Kills. The scores would be more meaningful and and by looking at the scores/kills would indicate the pilots from the First Person Shooter crowd. Or treat HO's like Air Warrior did, which encouraged learning how to fight your plane.
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Learn to read the "dot" before it becomes an Icon...and formulate a plan of attack...before you merge...
Learn to read a Map to know where the "fights" are.
Take the time to get together with an AH Trainer for a full explanation of the above. ;-):)
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Would be more funny if you seen it when they were landing kills, xxxxx landed 5 hos in an La-7
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Perhaps you should all seek therapy:furious :noid :O
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I suspect a really good dog fighter will simply get bored cherry picking. What that player looks for is a really good fight, win or lose.
Then how you you explain the large % of high, cherry-pickin K4's:D
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Originally posted by captkaos
I am really getting tired of people telling me that there are rules for a merge in the MA. If you get in front of my guns, I will shoot.
Keep ho'ing. While you are fruitlessly pulling the trigger, I'll be gaining angles on you. Tracers on the merge... it's Pavlovian for me. *drool*
I know I'm up against a pilot who lacks the confidence in his own ability to win a fight that lasts beyond the first joust. So keep Ho'ing.. I'll keep killin ya.... and drooling. :aok
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Originally posted by captkaos
I am really getting tired of people telling me that there are rules for a merge in the MA. If you get in front of my guns, I will shoot. It is that simple. Do not be foolish enough to fly your plane directly towards mine and think that I will not shoot. I cannot wait to see if you are going to shoot or not. I do not know who out there is flying according to some stupid merge rules that have no place in the main arean and those who are fighting the best they can. I do not choose the H.O. as means to start a fight, but sometimes it happens.
By the way, if you have the fire power, a head on is a good tactic. Do not fly directly towards a 110, a mossie, a nikki, or any other plane with cannons. Odds are you will die.
If you want rules on a merge, go to a dueling arena!
So if you complain to me when I shoot you down for flying toward my plane, you will be ignored!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I made this cool video about HO's..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smUCdkx-YGQ