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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: ssDruid on October 03, 2007, 12:45:47 PM
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What does everyone think about HTC upgrading their armored vehicle selection to include the Panther, Stug, KV-1, King Tiger and different variations of the already famous Sherman. Maybe even an upgraded version of the Tiger 1 (maybe mid or late version).
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I think the Panther or King Tiger would render all the other tanks obsolete, they don't have any real weaknesses that would be modelled in the game (i.e. reliability). The basic Sherman, Stug and KV-1 would never get used.
A T34/85, an Su100, or a JgdPzIV/L70 (tank destroyer with the Panther gun) would be a better bet. They are based on vehicles already in the game so would be less work for HTC and have a nice balance of strengths and weaknesses.
Personally I'd like to see them model an infantryman with a Bazooka or Panzerfaust. :)
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I wouldnt mind a Panzer III Ausf. F
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I say we need more british tanks. How many we have now? zero
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I would say we need to add a Japanese tank, but they would have had to actually have a battle tank for us to model.
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The Panther had several weaknesses to it. With the Sherman Firefly already in the game, it would make an outstanding opponent to it. The King Tiger would be one of those vehicles that would be perked out like the 262. Only attainable by those certain few. It can also be destroyed by the Firefly. But only from the sides and rear.
The sky is the limit for vehicles. We should have more. I have a great reference library on many vehicles and am willing to share with HTC if necessary.
Actually the British are represented by the Sherman Firefly in the game.
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Put the Panther and King Tiger in the game, and perk them to the max. No matter how good the armour, a 1,000 pounder from an attack plane will take it out. I think there would only be limited use due to high perks and the problem of defending yourself from an attack plane. This is the same reason I rarely use a Tiger.
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Originally posted by Latrobe
I say we need more british tanks. How many we have now? zero
The Firefly
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The firefy is a brit tank. The Crocodile tank would be an interesting addition.
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Originally posted by Latrobe
I say we need more british tanks. How many we have now? zero
You have the firefly. How many US tanks are there?
How about the Priest? Or the M-10 Wolverine?
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Or maybe just more and updated planes first ! :)
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Whirblewind would be nice :t
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I think with the 3 EW, MW, LW arenas we have now we could stand to use some new tanks. Get some of the earlier war stuff in here.
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Originally posted by rednex21
Whirblewind would be nice :t
ill bet a certain someone will be here soon now... :confused:
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Originally posted by Greebo
The basic Sherman, Stug and KV-1 would never get used.
I don't know why you would say this. These would be early to mid-war tanks. The KV-1 would probably have a light perk value in the early war arena due to the heavy armor.
Earlier variants of the PzkwIV and introducing the PzkwIII would be nice, too.
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Originally posted by Latrobe
I say we need more british tanks. How many we have now? zero
Brit tanks? is that like French fighters or Swiss cars?
Please inform me (seriously) of any UK armored vehicles in WW2 that would measure up to the current offerings in the game! I think it would be a short list. Druid has a good point in that the most extensive armor battles of the war were between the Soviet Union and Germany.
For laughs, my favorite quote on homefield advantage...
In WW2 the Germans had a better army but the Russians were tougher at home.
--Beano Cook on KJR-AM in Seattle
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If i overlooked this im sorry but wouldnt the Duplex drive tanks they used in the normandy landing be a good addition to the game, and should be easy to model.
If i am not mistaken they were modified shermans anyway to make amphibious landings. since the coding is there for the firelfy and for lvts it could work and make carrier base assaults more fun at those that have no vehilce spawn .
just thought i would throw that out.
latteral
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Originally posted by MajIssue
Brit tanks? is that like French fighters or Swiss cars?
Please inform me (seriously) of any UK armored vehicles in WW2 that would measure up to the current offerings in the game! I think it would be a short list. Druid has a good point in that the most extensive armor battles of the war were between the Soviet Union and Germany.
For laughs, my favorite quote on homefield advantage...
In WW2 the Germans had a better army but the Russians were tougher at home.
--Beano Cook on KJR-AM in Seattle
The thing, Maj, is this: We could do something like El Alamein, if we had some Crusaders, Matilda's, or M-3 Lee's. The real key here is, when everything gets divided into EW, MW, and LW, The GV set has massive holes in it, compared to the holes the planeset has.
And the crux of the whole thing is this: The GV game is really a sideshow to the Aerial fight. That's the reason that the planeset's have alot more to choose from.
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Originally posted by MajIssue
Brit tanks? is that like French fighters or Swiss cars?
Please inform me (seriously) of any UK armored vehicles in WW2 that would measure up to the current offerings in the game! I think it would be a short list. Druid has a good point in that the most extensive armor battles of the war were between the Soviet Union and Germany.
For laughs, my favorite quote on homefield advantage...
In WW2 the Germans had a better army but the Russians were tougher at home.
--Beano Cook on KJR-AM in Seattle
hmm haven't heard of the churchill tank have you . Very well designed with flat panel armour .much like the tiger and a nice rifled main gun ( so the shots would go where they were suposed to) it had a 6pound anti tank gun MkII or a 75mm gun Mk3 onwards.
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I want a US 76mm Sherman.
My ulitimate GV wish is an M-18 tank destroyer.
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
The thing, Maj, is this: We could do something like El Alamein, if we had some Crusaders, Matilda's, or M-3 Lee's. The real key here is, when everything gets divided into EW, MW, and LW, The GV set has massive holes in it, compared to the holes the planeset has.
And the crux of the whole thing is this: The GV game is really a sideshow to the Aerial fight. That's the reason that the planeset's have alot more to choose from.
Agreed... The GV game IS a sideshow... a very fun sideshow but a sideshow nonetheless. My knowledge of ww2 Armor is sadly lacking (which explains my post) please don't mistake my joking as a slight toward the Brits who afterall invented the tank. The historic truth as I see it is that there were design successes and failures on all sides of WW2, on the ground and in the air.
I would vote (if asked) to upgrade the GV set regardless of what countries vehicles are represented... more IS better
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Originally posted by B3YT
hmm haven't heard of the churchill tank have you . Very well designed with flat panel armour .much like the tiger and a nice rifled main gun ( so the shots would go where they were suposed to) it had a 6pound anti tank gun MkII or a 75mm gun Mk3 onwards.
Please accept my most sincere apology... I couldn't resist using the reference to needle the French. No slight toward the British designs was intended. My knowledge of WW2 armor has as many holes as a JU-87 in a furball!
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Originally posted by MajIssue
Brit tanks? is that like French fighters or Swiss cars?
Please inform me (seriously) of any UK armored vehicles in WW2 that would measure up to the current offerings in the game!
CRUISER TANKS (LATE WAR)
Challenger
Comet
Churchill Series
Churchill Mk. I
Churchill Mk. IV
Churchill Mk. VII
MODIFIED AMERICAN AFVS
Sherman VC Firefly
Achilles IIC
ack-ack
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Actually the British are represented by the Sherman Firefly in the game. [/B][/QUOTE]
Actually the Firefly is not a British tank, it is an American tank with a British gun. Unfortunately the Brits did not make a tank that was anywhere comparable to anything the German's had with exception to early German examples.
I also do not agree that nobody would use the Stug. If it had the L/48 75MM gun like the current Mark IV that's in the game it would make a better ambush vehicle than the Mk IV due to it's lower profile, thicker and sloped armor around the fighting compartment and gun.
If they had a Panther I don't believe that would give anyone an advantage. The Tiger, Firefly or another Panther would kill it one shot. Remember that the Tiger has the thickest armor of the lot and although the armor on the Panther is sloped it really was only affective if shot at by low velocity AT rounds or at distance by others. Most high velocity ammo that late in the war could penetrate the Panthers sloped armor at fair distances. It was after all a medium tank . The American M-10 tank destroyer would be a nice addition as well.
I have a number of books that rate all allied AT guns against all the German AFV's at various ranges and at different angles. It becomes evident that the vaunted German AFV's were able to be killed by late war allied AFV's. There are exceptions like the King Tiger and the Jadg Tiger which were in a class of their own. But like stated, a 1000IB will kill anything.
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Were on this planet do you get your information BigPlay?
Time for some education:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cromwell_tank
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_tank
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M-26 for late war would be nice.
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Bronk
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It had a mixed reception by crews. It was faster and had a lower profile than the Sherman tank. However, while its armour was of equivalent thickness, it was less sloped and therefore less effective than that of the Sherman. The 75 mm gun, though able to fire a useful HE shell, was not as effective against armour as the 6 pdr or the 17 pounder that was fitted to the British Firefly variant of the Sherman.
The Cromwell crews in North-West Europe succeeded in the Cromwell with superior speed, manoeuvrability and reliability outflanking the heavier and more sluggish German tanks; however, the Cromwell was still not a match for the best German armour and British tank design would go through another stage, the Comet tank, before going ahead in the tank development race with the Centurion tank.
This is right from your link. Read Panzer battles of the 1st and 12th SS pzr Div. in Normandy where most of these late model Brit tanks showed up. What was printed and what I read is they were slaughtered resulting in many commanding Generals to be replaced almost costing ole Monty his command. There was really no way that these tanks even in their numbers could battle dug in and on the defensive German tanks I will give you my reading material refrence if you need more convincing. P.S. These website links you attached lack the indepth information and first hand accounts and do little more than scratch the surface .
I have over 300 books on various WW2 weapons, guns and first hand battle accounts and have read them all more than once. I also have a business that pertains to WW2 history, so I don't believe I need a history lesson. I'm not saying that I know everything , I still learn things all the time but my nose is always in a book regarding WW2 history. Sorry but hope as you might the Brits did not have a tank that was capible of going head to head with German armor, they were more designed for infintry support, hence the regard made to a useful HE round and the refrence to not being affective against armor. The Russians where the sole reason that German armor came to be what it was and since the Brits had little interaction with the latest of German armor up until Normandy they really had fallen far behind in tank design. Also their tactics were as far as armor interaction with ground troops and flatout one on one tank battles were they were once again not in the same leage.
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Bigplay
You are absolutely correct. There are many resource books on the subject of World War II armor. I think the Jensen and Doyle books on the Panther and Tigers are probably the most comprehensive around. They cost a pretty penny to get nowadays, but well worth the money. I happen to have them in my library.
I also agree with you on the STUG. What a marvelous vehicle it can be for ambushes. But i think we need to see some M4A3E8's in the game to represent the American side in the late war. Even the M10 would be a nice addition. How about the Caliope version also. Imagine hitting a town with those rockets.
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Those are great books. Will Fey's Panzer Battles of the Eastern Front is one of the best as far as day to day fighting went for the average SS pzr. div. tank commander . I would recommend it to anyone who is interested in what tank warfare was really like in WW2.
There is a ton of afv's that would be a great addition to the game. What would really be cool is a separate arena just for gv's and possibly a limited amount of aircraft. There is quite a few people that play just in the GV mode
so I think it would be popular. I sure this will stir a few die hard pilots to react against a arena just for GV's, but that's what makes this game so much fun is you have a ton of options not just flying.