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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rpm on October 06, 2007, 11:16:23 PM
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Topps Meat Co LLC announced on Friday it was going out of business, crushed by the recall of 21.7 million pounds of beef linked to 30 cases of E. coli-related illness.
"In one week we have gone from the largest U.S. manufacturer of frozen hamburgers to a company that cannot overcome the economic reality of a recall this large," Anthony D'Urso, chief operating officer, said in a statement.
link (http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSWNAS566620071006)
21.7 MILLION pounds? I'll have the chicken...
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What's scary is....how much of this e-coli stuff was around 20-30 years ago, but wasnt tested for or known about?
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Originally posted by LePaul
What's scary is....how much of this e-coli stuff was around 20-30 years ago, but wasnt tested for or known about?
There is a lot of stuff that was going around back in the "old days" that we didn't know about.
Seems that there is no end to what is bad for you. I often wonder if ignorance wasn't bliss in those times.
We live longer because we are better informed and I think the longer we live the more we tendo to gripe about it.
Oh well, hate to see then go under. How do you ensure clean meat in those quantities? The first time I saw something in the news about it I wondered how they would be able to handle a recall like that.
Mark
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Jeesh -- cook it to 160 degrees, no problem.
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Originally posted by E25280
Jeesh -- cook it to 160 degrees, no problem.
This is true but we have gotten to the point here in the good ole US of A that what is sold to us has to be idiot proof as well.
Mark
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:eek:
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You eat Coli all day for that sake. It will however be a problem if you have too much.
You can cook it dead, but that is not the case with all other bacteria, or rather the material they have released, which is in many cases poisonous.
Coli turns up it's number's very fast, - under favourable conditions it will double every 20 minutes. It is therefore a good indicator for overall hygiene.
So my point is, that when a product busts the coli limit, it is an indicator of slack hygiene in the manufacture. Doesn't have to be much bad though....
(There are many creepy things abroad worse than coli)
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Originally posted by Mark Luper
This is true but we have gotten to the point here in the good ole US of A that what is sold to us has to be idiot proof as well.
Mark
This is assuming that everyone has the capability to check to which degree meat is cooked.
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The main problem was they were THE major supplier of frozen patties in the US. Most of their customers were hamburger joints with 16 year old kids slapping them on the griddle and on a bun. Quality control was nowhere in the process.
Kinda shocking that it put them out of business.
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the problem is that kids no longer play outside. it is really nothing that eating a mouthful of a dirt every day would not solve. sheesh you guys are weak.
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Storch, a public keyboard has all types of bodily fluids and bacteria on it. It has urine, fecal matter, body oils, snot, and sometimes even reproductive fluid. Dirt doesn't have all of that.
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Chances are most of the people handling our food are not in this country legally. You really think they worry about hygiene regulations when they don't follow any of our other laws?
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We always had E Coli. We used to be accountable for ourselves. That meant properly preparing food for consumption.
Everyone should know that hamburger, because there is no surface per se, has to be cooked to proper temperatures THROUGHOUT, unlike a steak, where only the outside need to be so cooked.
In the "old days", if you failed to protect yourself, you got sick. Many of you have had a "24 hour bug" that was really food poisoning.
Of course, in the old days, if your kid fell off my kid's swingset, you didn't sue me. Nowadays, you can't call a lawyer fast enough...
And so it goes..... The end of this company, massive layoffs, people out of work.......because of the liabilities of morons not cooking hamburger thoroughly.
This is the tip of the iceberg. Want to know why the cost of living is so high in the US? It's the cost of trying to make every single product idiot proof. We are all paying for the morons.... and their vote counts the same as ours.
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Originally posted by storch
the problem is that kids no longer play outside. it is really nothing that eating a mouthful of a dirt every day would not solve. sheesh you guys are weak.
I was having a friendly conversation with a doctor and it seems there may be some truth to this.
We have become so clean obsessed that for many their bodies are no longer naturally developing antibodies to resist alot of stuff.
Unless your performing surgery. You dont need to have everything sterile clean
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the longer and safer we want to live the more it will cost. storch is actually correct on this one as are many others.
You want affordable health care? get 1950's level health care and.. hang the lawyers. Need some $3,000 a month drug to live? sorry... you gonna die.
need a transplant? sorry.. can't do em. Health care would be about $75 a month for full coverage.
lazs
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I've seen some of the commentary from medical professionals and totally agree that younger Americans are more vulnerable to illness today due in part to the obsession with cleaniliness and sanitation that we didn't have just 50 years ago. That's not to say that we should embrace the life style of pigs, but that some of our natural immunity has declined through lack of every day exposure to some of the more common bugs. E-coli has been around as long as we have and was very likely even more common in human food stocks 50 years ago than it is today.
I also agree that we can never make everything around us 100% safe for human life. Where do we draw the line? Topp's had been in business for 67 years and overnight they're out of business. Even if eventually proven innocent of any type of willful negligence they're gone. Who's next?
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I was having a friendly conversation with a doctor and it seems there may be some truth to this.
We have become so clean obsessed that for many their bodies are no longer naturally developing antibodies to resist alot of stuff.
Unless your performing surgery. You dont need to have everything sterile clean
I ripped the tip of my right thumb off on a jobsite back in apr 2003. the skin came off exposing the bone to the first knuckle.
we had 30k in tools strewn about an outside installation. when the accident occurred I had five guys on the site. from the sight of the injury one guy passed out and hit his head so hard on the asphalt I thought he had died. one guy was running in circles calling my name and saying he was sorry repeatedly. it took me ten minutes to get these guys calmed down.
since it was quitting time I organized the site clean up and got all the tools up and sent the guys to the shop. the accident occurred on a friday and I was going to meet some buds at a local dive so I called ahead and let them know I had been injured. I went home and took a shower then went to the hospital where they amputated half of my right thumb. from the time of the accident to the time I was administered IV antibiotics was about eight hours.
I didn't suffer any infection at all.
the nature of my business means I'm always getting cut my body is plenty immunized from whats out in the world I've been playing in and eating dirt since I was a child and have done so on five continents.
we are making our kids soft, they need to eat dirt. they need to around all manner of flora and fauna.
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Originally posted by lazs2
You want affordable health care? get 1950's level health care and.. hang the lawyers. Need some $3,000 a month drug to live? sorry... you gonna die.
need a transplant? sorry.. can't do em. Health care would be about $75 a month for full coverage.
lazs
Why don't you just send them to the vet?
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I guess we just need to figure out the e-coli load that is acceptable in our food supply.
We can set it pretty darn high if we are willing to write off the very young and the very old in our society.
Think of how cheap food would be for the rest of us.
Oh and don't forget the water supply, chlorine costs money ya know :)
shamus
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Originally posted by Xargos
Chances are most of the people handling our food are not in this country legally. You really think they worry about hygiene regulations when they don't follow any of our other laws?
EXACTLY
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I was having a friendly conversation with a doctor and it seems there may be some truth to this.
We have become so clean obsessed that for many their bodies are no longer naturally developing antibodies to resist alot of stuff.
My sons will probably be resistant to everything. It's like pulling teeth trying to get those dang kids to keep themselves clean. Creek, sand-dunes bike riding, frogs, snakes, drainage tunnels, rolling all over the grass...
And actually, come to think of it, they haven't been that sick. All of their trips to the hospital have been injury instead of illness.
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Originally posted by storch
I ripped the tip of my right thumb off on a jobsite back in apr 2003. the skin came off exposing the bone to the first knuckle.
we had 30k in tools strewn about an outside installation. when the accident occurred I had five guys on the site. from the sight of the injury one guy passed out and hit his head so hard on the asphalt I thought he had died. one guy was running in circles calling my name and saying he was sorry repeatedly. it took me ten minutes to get these guys calmed down.
since it was quitting time I organized the site clean up and got all the tools up and sent the guys to the shop. the accident occurred on a friday and I was going to meet some buds at a local dive so I called ahead and let them know I had been injured. I went home and took a shower then went to the hospital where they amputated half of my right thumb. from the time of the accident to the time I was administered IV antibiotics was about eight hours.
I didn't suffer any infection at all.
the nature of my business means I'm always getting cut my body is plenty immunized from whats out in the world I've been playing in and eating dirt since I was a child and have done so on five continents.
we are making our kids soft, they need to eat dirt. they need to around all manner of flora and fauna.
I couldn't agree more.
I hate to see them go under because of this.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
This is assuming that everyone has the capability to check to which degree meat is cooked.
Everyone does indeed have the capability if they're checking their own at home. $2.00 meat thermometer. Whether they have the desire to put the 3 seconds worth of time or effort in to it is another story.
And QC at public facilities should already be doing this... or they lose customers. Shouldn't fall on the shoulders of the folks who provide the meat though.
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This country is on the same path of the Romans
as long as Britney is on the tv then the population does not give a crap. Unfortuneatly stupid people breed fast are usually poor and now have modern Medical tech to put them back together and Expensive lawyers to go after whoever "wronged" them, plus we have over 12 mil "barbarians" in the country and more at the gates, but we actually have no gates.
While believing in personal hygiene there are some areas where I am a slob and eat dirt, I think it is beneficial to building up anitbodies too.
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12 million lol, the state of Florida has more than that alone. I am moving on Wednesday to a state that has less then a million people, and I better not see any illegal mexicans, somolians, etheopians vying for my job.
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In Oregon now there are spanish signs on things. in fricken Oregon Thousands of miles from the Border I should not have to see a word of that tongue but alas everyday.
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Originally posted by dogtooth 967
12 million lol, the state of Florida has more than that alone. I am moving on Wednesday to a state that has less then a million people, and I better not see any illegal mexicans, somolians, etheopians vying for my job.
Dont forget unruly pineapples :rofl
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Originally posted by LePaul
What's scary is....how much of this e-coli stuff was around 20-30 years ago, but wasnt tested for or known about?
E-coli has always been around. In properly cooked food it is killed. It is imperative to cook hamburger meat all the way through with no red in the middle. It is not like a steak where it is safe to be cooked rare.
The difference being that when hamburger is ground, all the outside surface is mixed through and through. Any contamination on the outside is mixed in.
Another point to note about hamburger is the color. When the meat is ground, oxygen mixes in and will cause the meat to turn brown from the inside out... the leaner the meat the more noticeable and quicker this occurs. Doesn't mean it's bad... just the way meat does after touching air.
Same thing happens to steaks. Once they see air you can lay them on top of eachother as in a family pack... and when you part them you can see a dark area where the upper steak layed on the lower steak.
You'll see more of this type recall in the future as less and less meat is processed at your local store anymore. More than half is processed at a central location where a contamination of this sort will affect much more meat at one time.
OK next week, for you chicken lovers, we'll discuss Salmonella. Till then have a nice flight! :aok
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You'll see more of this type recall in the future as less and less meat is processed at your local store anymore. More than half is processed at a central location where a contamination of this sort will affect much more meat at one time.
Very good point.
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I raise your Salmonella with Botulin!!!
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Cargill Inc. said this weekend it is recalling about 844,812 pounds of frozen beef patties due to possible E. coli contamination after investigators found four cases of illness linked to a division of Wal-Mart.
Sam's Club pulled frozen hamburgers made by Cargill from its store shelves over the weekend after Minnesota health officials discovered four cases of E. coli associated with the burgers.
Cargill said the hamburgers were manufactured at its plant in Butler, Wisconsin.
All four cases of E. coli being investigated occurred in children, the Minnesota Department of Health said in a statement.
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BTW, coli infection can be quite naughty. And it happens FAST.
It's sad to watch quality of food decrease for the importance of some cents in some pockets, but what was said about big plants here above is quite true.
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I have a big box of frozen patties in the freezer. Im not worried though, just look it a little longer and it should be fine.
RPM, is that just patties or are they also recalling the 80lb cases of 73/27 chubs?
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lol at the old guys! "when i was young we used to eat dirt and be thankfull for it!"
what you say is true though. i live near fields and forrests as well as concrete and buildings, i rarely ever get sick and i spend a good time ach day in the dirt of both environments. If i dont go out in the fresh air and sunshine (IE: global warming and polution) enough it will kill me!
hey! i got a cure for aids! dont stick your donut in another man or stab needles in your arms! woot! And wait, i have a cure for cancer...Everyone stop trying to live so damn long! what you want to live over 80 for anyway? come on.
hamburgers are good.
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Get enough coli into your system and you will not have to think much about cancer. Hey, I have the cure!!!! :D
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i'll take 3 boxes of your cow lurgy please!