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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rpm on October 08, 2007, 03:31:45 AM
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An off-duty sheriff's deputy went on a shooting rampage at a home in northern Wisconsin early Sunday, killing three high school students and three recent graduates before authorities fatally shot him, officials said. Another victim was in critical condition.
The suspect was 20 years old and worked full-time as a Forest County deputy sheriff and part-time as a Crandon police officer, Sheriff Keith Van Cleve said. The deputy was not working at the time of the shooting, he said.
It wasn't immediately clear what the gunman's motive was, but the mother of a 14-year-old victim said the suspect may have been a jealous boyfriend. Three of the victims were Crandon High School students, said schools Superintendent Richard Peters. The other three had graduated from the high school within the past three years.
The sheriff did not release the deputy's name, but Peters identified him as Tyler Peterson, also a graduate of the 300-student high school.
"There is probably nobody in Crandon who is not affected by this," Peters said, adding that students would be especially affected. "They are going to wake up in shock and disbelief and a lot of pain."
One of the dead was 14-year-old Lindsey Stahl.
link (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jGcaqntz8rVYXF5wQJNcNAnWZHZgD8S4NAAO0)
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Sad situation. :(
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I don't understand how a 20 year old can be working as a LEO at all much less working in 2 departments simultaneously. It sure looks like they didn't screen this guy at all. I'm sure more info will come out later on. At least we don't have to store that arsewipe and let him use oxygen. :mad:
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Around here you gotta be 21 to be a LEO.
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Originally posted by Maverick
I don't understand how a 20 year old can be working as a LEO at all much less working in 2 departments simultaneously. It sure looks like they didn't screen this guy at all.
Mav I suspect you would go into immediate shock if you were to be in my county for any length of time. Believe me...it is amazing.
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Hope to read about this in the "Armed Citizen". Oh wait... never mind.
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Originally posted by Ocean27
Hope to read about this in the "Armed Citizen". Oh wait... never mind.
Wisconsin has very restrictive gun control laws. You can carry open(on foot only) but in most parts of the State if you do, you will be arrested for disorderly conduct. The voters of Wisconsin voted in a concealed weapons law. The Governor ignored the will of the people and vetoed it.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Wisconsin has very restrictive gun control laws. You can carry open(on foot only) but in most parts of the State if you do, you will be arrested for disorderly conduct. The voters of Wisconsin voted in a concealed weapons law. The Governor ignored the will of the people and vetoed it.
multiple times too...
:furious :mad:
we are one of the WORST states wen it comes to personal firearm rights.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Wisconsin has very restrictive gun control laws. You can carry open(on foot only) but in most parts of the State if you do, you will be arrested for disorderly conduct. The voters of Wisconsin voted in a concealed weapons law. The Governor ignored the will of the people and vetoed it.
Originally posted by JB73
multiple times too...
:furious :mad:
we are one of the WORST states wen it comes to personal firearm rights.
Don't worry, the police will protec.........um, never mind.
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its a messed up world. A really messed up world. People all too easily let their emotions destroy themselves and the lives of others, innocents all.
Love is the answer.
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Originally posted by JB73
multiple times too...
:furious :mad:
we are one of the WORST states wen it comes to personal firearm rights.
Try getting one in Jersey sometime
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Try getting one in Jersey sometime
Wisconsin and Illinois are still two of the toughest states....
http://www.gunmap.org/
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Originally posted by Maverick
I don't understand how a 20 year old can be working as a LEO at all much less working in 2 departments simultaneously. It sure looks like they didn't screen this guy at all. I'm sure more info will come out later on. At least we don't have to store that arsewipe and let him use oxygen. :mad:
Cal law allows one to be a peace officer at 18, although most depts (in So Cal) wont accept an application until 20 1/2... since the hiring process can take 6 - 12 months.
I got hired just after turning 21, one of my co-workers who had been a cadet at the dept was hired on at 20 (and 9 months), most of the folks in my academy class were under 25.
The LA Sheriffs hire young since a 3-5 year stint working in a custody facility awaits them upon graduation and they wont see the streets for awhile. Generally Sheriffs depts are responsible for running the jails and or court security, so boot 20 year olds usually cut their their teeth working inside for a few years before earning a patrol assignment.
I don't know this particular Sheriffs dept policies, or if the same generalities apply, but a 20 year old Sheriff deputy might not be as uncommon as one would think.
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Originally posted by Yeager
its a messed up world. A really messed up world. People all too easily let their emotions destroy themselves and the lives of others, innocents all.
Really? You mean these armed atrocities like Wisconsin, VA Tech, Columbine etc etc. are happening in other countries too, with the same regularity? I'm trying to think of one. Um... Iraq maybe, and maybe other cases where democracy has been dropped from an aircraft at 40,000ft but the parachute failed to deploy.
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Really? You mean these armed atrocities like Wisconsin, VA Tech, Columbine etc etc. are happening in other countries too, with the same regularity? I'm trying to think of one.
Ocean27, I can think of a couple of countries whose armed atrocities are carried out by the government or the military and not by the citizens who are probably unarmed. Im almost certain there are a few more, do those count??
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Originally posted by Ocean27
Really? You mean these armed atrocities like Wisconsin, VA Tech, Columbine etc etc. are happening in other countries too, with the same regularity? I'm trying to think of one. Um... Iraq maybe, and maybe other cases where democracy has been dropped from an aircraft at 40,000ft but the parachute failed to deploy.
Yes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur_conflict
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beetle just can't resist a gun thread. :rolleyes:
Sad little person.
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I guess this will reinforce the existing data that Concealed Carry License holders have a lower violent crime rate than the police that are here to protect you.
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Originally posted by Ocean27
Really? You mean these armed atrocities like Wisconsin, VA Tech, Columbine etc etc. are happening in other countries too, with the same regularity? I'm trying to think of one. Um... Iraq maybe, and maybe other cases where democracy has been dropped from an aircraft at 40,000ft but the parachute failed to deploy.
I assume a professional troll like yourself has access to all the news about all
the countries of the world and their firearm problems. I'm sure Sierra Leone
and Darfur have never had a problem that we haven't heard about.
Of course equating homicide with military action also indicates you aren't the
sharpest tool in the drawer either.
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Originally posted by Toad
I guess this will reinforce the existing data that Concealed Carry License holders have a lower violent crime rate than the police that are here to protect you.
In NJ, it's virtually impossible to get a carry permit unless your job specifically
requires that you be armed. Some rediculous number like 1500 permits issued
for a population of over 8,700,000. Not sure how we rate on the crime-o-meter,
but I'm sure it's not great.
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Looks like he had an AR-15.
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ocean27 is beetle.....?
what was his point anyway? seemed sort of drunkard in his response...seems like he could definately use some mom love :rolleyes:
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Really? You mean these armed atrocities like Wisconsin, VA Tech, Columbine etc etc. are happening in other countries too, with the same regularity? I'm trying to think of one. Um... Iraq maybe, and maybe other cases where democracy has been dropped from an aircraft at 40,000ft but the parachute failed to deploy.
Well, the funny thing is a guy can burn a family of 5 to death with arson, like happened in rural Illinois some months back, and it barely makes the news. I'm not sure it even made page one in the Chicago dailies. Yet, in our country of 300 million people where such non criminal-on-criminal firearm deaths are exceedingly rare every time there is an event it's a 24/7 a media circus.
You can add up all of these headline generating events, VT, this guy...Was the Amish event this year...no, but lets add it anyway. You still end up with fewer people killed by the "deranged gunman" than you have killed by lightning. The chance of any non gagbanger or wanna be being killed by a firearm in the US is notably less than getting killed by a receptionist with a few too many jello shots after happy hour.
We get roughly a Virginia tech every three days, and roughly two of this type of event every day (from a death and suffering standpoint) due to underage drinking. Where's the outrage?
In any case, this involved a police officer, and most countries let the police use firearms. Usually not much of a problem except when it's only the police that have guns. Khmer Rouge, Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, etc. But there it was more a domestic policy issue than a lone nutjob in a population of 300 million where it you turned off the news the vast majority of Americans would not know there is even a "gun violence " problem since there is not one.
In fact, you could take away the money from the Joyce Foundation and a few elites like Soros and you would virtually eliminate the gun control movement, which is big on dollars but really, really small on grass roots interest. Most people don't care that much because, well, it's not a real issue for most people.
Charon
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Originally posted by Yeager
ocean27 is beetle.....?
what was his point anyway? seemed sort of drunkard in his response...seems like he could definately use some mom love :rolleyes:
Unmistakably. Read his responses since re-joining.
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Originally posted by Toad
I guess this will reinforce the existing data that Concealed Carry License holders have a lower violent crime rate than the police that are here to protect you.
If everyone carried would we even need police?
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Originally posted by AKIron
If everyone carried would we even need police?
They didn't need police in the good ol' wild west..
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nope.....if you were caught stealing a mans horse your life pretty much ended at the snap of a rope. Brutal, but that type of justice served a valuable role.
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Originally posted by AKIron
If everyone carried would we even need police?
People fail to see the difference between Police and Carrying. There is a huge difference.
Police are a Punitive measure. They are only there to catch and punish those who break the law.
The Citizens are a preventative measure. The citizens can be there to stop crime, or even prevent it by their own presence.
As hard as the liberals will try, Police can never truly be a preventative measure.
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Just goes to show, be careful how you deal with people, there is always the possibility they could become enraged and kill you.
Love is the answer
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime_file/2007/10/09/2007-10-09_wisconsin_cop_snapped_after_being_called-1.html
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Originally posted by Yeager
Just goes to show, be careful how you deal with people, there is always the possibility they could become enraged and kill you.
Love is the answer
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime_file/2007/10/09/2007-10-09_wisconsin_cop_snapped_after_being_called-1.html
This explains a-lot:
"Police acknowledged yesterday that Peterson had received no psychological screening before he was hired".. no psych screen? That, to me, is just about criminal negligence on the Departments part.
Doesn't Wisconsin have a POST that mandates these things?
Tests like the MMPI combined with logic / IQ combined with a psych interview do a decent job weeding out those non-hackers that don't pack the head gear.
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I see lawyers, lots of em........
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Interesting. The Wisconsin AG has stated that the off duty Deputy shot himself THREE TIMES in the HEAD after being shot in the left arm from a distance. Twice under the chin and once in the right side of the head, all at close range. :O
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Try getting one in Jersey sometime
Not a problem.
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geeze, whata dope.....Had to shoot himself three times with a .40 no less :confused:
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Interesting that the authorities seem unable to say whether or not the AR-15 was issued to him by his department, legally purchased/owned by the shooter or just exactly where he got it.
I'd think the department has serial numbers recorded for all their AR's. How long does it take to check the list?
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probly has a "property of" stamp right on it.
I just shot an m16 owned by the sheriffs dept. the rangemaster asked me if I wanted to shoot it. Had "property of..." stamped right into it.
oh...ripley.. you need to read about the wild west... It was a pretty nice place to live.
Almost every shooting was by mutual consent... pretty much self defense and.. there were relatively few of those compared to say DC where there are gun bans.
again tho... charon hits it on the head... a few people got shot by a nut... no big deal in such a large country. Glad he didn't do some simple research on how to build a bomb or ... just decide to use his car for a murder weapon.
lazs
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If the agency didn't bother to screen the deputy, there is no reason to think they are any more competent regarding weapon records.