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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: BiGBMAW on October 08, 2007, 09:51:05 AM
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1) I have LIMITED time to play...maybe an hour a week
2) I have a squad I like to fly with, we are rarely on at same time, So if they a show up Id like to be where we fly KNIGHTS!!
3)I get denied flying planes I enjoy.
We are at a base with larger red Dar bars then we have...and I'm getting restricted on what planes I fly.
This ENY thing is horrible, for the people like me with a limited time to play and enjoy the plane we like to fly.
I am letting my account close.
This is my only way to show my dismay on a game I really enjoy, and have been a paying customer since AW died. Its a dam shame.
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sir, in life and in this is and other games the only constant is change. while I agree with what you post and understand that it can be a frustration I will point out that the game has markedly improved since these changes were implemented. perhaps your limited time online prevents you from fully appreciating how much better the game is now even though there is still much room for refinement.
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Country A = 100 players
Country B = 100 players
Country C = 150 players
Country C is ENY limited, but A & B are both concentrating on C so it's actually 200 vs 150, with the 150 getting worse planes. Happens all the time.
No biggy for me because I like flying the higher number planes, but it is a common problem that the current ENY set-up does not handle well.
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Originally posted by Gulp
Country A = 100 players
Country B = 100 players
Country C = 150 players
Country C is ENY limited, but A & B are both concentrating on C so it's actually 200 vs 150, with the 150 getting worse planes. Happens all the time.
No biggy for me because I like flying the higher number planes, but it is a common problem that the current ENY set-up does not handle well.
Erm no. What numbers usualy look like is this.
a= 100
b= 90
c= 60
a&b gang c. That is the usual scenario.
Bronk
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There are lots of planes to enjoy. Just cause you can't have your Spit 16 or LA7 doesn't mean all is lost :)
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Originally posted by Guppy35
There are lots of planes to enjoy. Just cause you can't have your Spit 16 or LA7 doesn't mean all is lost :)
Very broad statement. Last night I was at the base where the fight was. Don't know what country I was in but the first flight was with a low eny if not 0. I landed and tried to up again but ENY was at 29. No biggie, I took a Ki61 and had some fun but, that base was being horded by D9s, p51s, Tempests, Tiffies etc. No way to catch anyone after their failed vulch or pick.
My point is that I was defending a base being horded already. If I changed countries to avoid the ENY I would have been adding to the problem. ENY was an idea to try and help some situation. It does not work. The hordes are still there and in some situations like the above, it may have the opposite effect.
Lose it and bring back the big maps please.
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Originally posted by Gulp
Country A = 100 players
Country B = 100 players
Country C = 150 players
Country C is ENY limited, but A & B are both concentrating on C so it's actually 200 vs 150, with the 150 getting worse planes. Happens all the time.
No biggy for me because I like flying the higher number planes, but it is a common problem that the current ENY set-up does not handle well.
I understand that ENY or some other feature is needed for side balancing, but ENY can have unintended consequences. Country A player logs on to find the scenario detailed above. Hmm... do I fight B or C. C has no La7s or Spit16s. Hmm... C it is. Inadvertently, ENY has contributed to the ganging of C.
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How about instead of limiting planes you can fly as the Eny goes up, to having planes cost perks when the Eny is unbalanced.
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Originally posted by Carwash
I understand that ENY or some other feature is needed for side balancing, but ENY can have unintended consequences. Country A player logs on to find the scenario detailed above. Hmm... do I fight B or C. C has no La7s or Spit16s. Hmm... C it is. Inadvertently, ENY has contributed to the ganging of C.
Wich is far better than ganging any other country, as C has the most players ;)
But in this game reality it's rarely such simple as it seems. I have seen the country with numbers being ganged, and I have seen both big teams piling upon a team with only 16% of player base.
If one team is ganged or not depends on many factors:
Current map layout, if they are established fronts with close targets, if two country's have both their start airfield (the one were a newly entering player appears) close to the third one. Also current state of war plays a role - from which country do you need a few more bases to win? Are there any squad nights? (Some sqds go for easy captures, some fly to the biggest red bar they see)
Add to that some pure randomness and a spoon of lemming behaviour.
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Originally posted by Mojava
How about instead of limiting planes you can fly as the Eny goes up, to having planes cost perks when the Eny is unbalanced.
That idea was, among other, discussed when ENY limit was first introduced. If I remember right, the first balancing idea was limiting numbers in flight, then adding some perk costs for planes, disabling side switching ect.
After some brainstorming within the community & HTC, our ENY system was devised & put in place.
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Originally posted by dedalos
Very broad statement. Last night I was at the base where the fight was. Don't know what country I was in but the first flight was with a low eny if not 0. I landed and tried to up again but ENY was at 29. No biggie, I took a Ki61 and had some fun but, that base was being horded by D9s, p51s, Tempests, Tiffies etc. No way to catch anyone after their failed vulch or pick.
My point is that I was defending a base being horded already. If I changed countries to avoid the ENY I would have been adding to the problem. ENY was an idea to try and help some situation. It does not work. The hordes are still there and in some situations like the above, it may have the opposite effect.
Lose it and bring back the big maps please.
Conversely, I've been in the same position only being ganged and cherrypicked by A8's and 38G's. I really didn't notice that big a difference.
I rarely fly high ENY planes anyway, so I have no problem with ENY the way it is.
Just seems to me to be an issue with instant gratification and "I want things the way -I- want things."
Don't get things your way? Going to close your account? We'll miss you. Been nice flying with you. It's your loss as well. Although, I guess it isn't since you're sick of the 'old' maps and not getting things your way.
Purely a generalization and in no way meant as a personal attack BigBMAW.
This is just getting to be like another "I want a nook" thread. Maps and ENY.
Bleeeh
wrngway
I'm taking my ball and going home. Wait, it's not my ball.
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First and foremost I am truly sorry to see your willingness to quit. ENY is not the enemy, rather it is the system you have to work within. There are so many options available to you to workaround…fly different planes, find another squad, switch sides (you or the whole squad), logon outside of peak hours, switch arenas, etc. Hang in there, and fly when you can, in whatever you can!
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:cry :cry :cry
That is all this thread is about. "I can't fly my eL gAy-7." :cry "I can't fly my spitoon-16." :cry "I can't pwn jo n00bs in my l337 h4X0r pane." :cry "Hitech the other two countries are ganging up on us." :cry
Learn to fly all types of planes, so that if you do run into an ENY issue you won't be tempted to post :cry threads.
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Originally posted by AWwrgwy
Conversely, I've been in the same position only being ganged and cherrypicked by A8's and 38G's. I really didn't notice that big a difference.
I rarely fly high ENY planes anyway, so I have no problem with ENY the way it is.
Just seems to me to be an issue with instant gratification and "I want things the way -I- want things."
Don't get things your way? Going to close your account? We'll miss you. Been nice flying with you. It's your loss as well. Although, I guess it isn't since you're sick of the 'old' maps and not getting things your way.
Purely a generalization and in no way meant as a personal attack BigBMAW.
This is just getting to be like another "I want a nook" thread. Maps and ENY.
Bleeeh
wrngway
I'm taking my ball and going home. Wait, it's not my ball.
Where in my post did you see anything of what you mentioned? Did you even read it?
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Like I've said before, I think ENY needs to be localized to within say, a nine or twentyfive sector area around where you take off from (one to two sectors all around your take-off sector).
It would help in a lot of ways.
Of course there would have to be a number of players floor so if you're taking off deep in your own territory you're not getting hammered on ENY needlessly.
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Originally posted by Iron_Cross
:cry :cry :cry
That is all this thread is about. "I can't fly my eL gAy-7." :cry "I can't fly my spitoon-16." :cry "I can't pwn jo n00bs in my l337 h4X0r pane." :cry "Hitech the other two countries are ganging up on us." :cry
Learn to fly all types of planes, so that if you do run into an ENY issue you won't be tempted to post :cry threads.
You need to chill.
The M.A.W. have probably been around since before you knew flight sims existed. And I'm sure he's reached a preference for what plane he flies as I have in my 11 year + sim carreer. And speaking for myself I've flown every plane available and my preference is never an LA, Spit or N1k. When I can't fly my plane of choice because of ENY, I just don't fly.
And if you took the time to look you'd find he doesn't fly those planes either.
When a M.A.W. quits, it's a blow to the community. BigB
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Originally posted by Carwash
I understand that ENY or some other feature is needed for side balancing, but ENY can have unintended consequences. Country A player logs on to find the scenario detailed above. Hmm... do I fight B or C. C has no La7s or Spit16s. Hmm... C it is. Inadvertently, ENY has contributed to the ganging of C.
If i'm country A just signing on why in the world would I want to change countries???? I'm already on one of the countries undermanned (no ENY trouble), and if I choose to fight against country C I know I'm not going against any LA's and Spit 16s.
EMY isn't here to "even the numbers" its here to handycap the team with the higher numbers by taking away the more "uber" rides. It works pretty good.....look at all the whines :)
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Originally posted by NHawk
You need to chill.
The M.A.W. have been around since before you knew flight sims existed. And I'm sure he's reached a preference for what plane he flies as I have in my 11 year + sim carreer. And speaking for myself I've flown every plane available and my preference is never an LA, Spit or N1k. When I can't fly my plane of choice because of ENY, I just don't fly.
When a M.A.W. quits, it's a blow to the community. BigB
1.) I'm frosty as a glacier. (I just never have enough cheese for these threads.)
2.) I started on FS, back when I had a Commodore 64, in 83. (OH SNAP!)
3.) If your favorite plane is out due to ENY, and you don't fly. That is your choice.
4.) My don't you have an inflated opinion of your squads importance in this game.
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Originally posted by Iron_Cross
4.) My don't you have an inflated opinion of your squads importance in this game.
My squad has nothing to do with this. But if you want to drag us in, that's fine. I've watched 20 members of my squad with 10 years+ time leave because of nonsense like ENY and other things in AH.
If you count all of the old timers that have quit, regardless of squad affiliation, you'd find it's a huge number.
And the attitude you portraid wasn't called for.
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Originally posted by Iron_Cross
4.) My don't you have an inflated opinion of your squads importance in this game.
I think they are important to the game. to those squads that have shown that kind of commitment over the years.
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Originally posted by NHawk
My squad has nothing to do with this.
But if you count all of the old timers that have quit, regardless of squad affiliation, you'd find it's a huge number.
And the attitude you portraid is probably part of why they are quiting .
Fixed
Bronk
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Originally posted by Bronk
Fixed
Bronk
Pig Stompers
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Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
:aok
Bronk
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The ENY system is so F'ed up.Last night knights has 30 people more then the lowest country(Bish) we had an ENY on 21ish Rooks have 30 people more then the lower country(knights) they have and ENY of 10 or less.If this ENY crap is going to stay atleast make it so it's the same thing for al the countries Bish have it the worst the had like 20 more people then the lowers and their eny was 15ish.
ENY is the lamest thing.at an ENY of 29 people cant fly anything but crap fighters while the other country fly's spit16 and LA's...This of it like this if ENy was in WW2 hittler may not have shot himself :aok :rofl.
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Originally posted by NHawk
My squad has nothing to do with this. But if you want to drag us in, that's fine. I've watched 20 members of my squad with 10 years+ time leave because of nonsense like ENY and other things in AH.
If you count all of the old timers that have quit, regardless of squad affiliation, you'd find it's a huge number.
And the attitude you portraid wasn't called for.
Would you not agree that much of that is normal attrition though? Of all the folks i started flying with all those years ago in AW, there aren't that many left.
People come and go. That's just part of the landscape. To blame it on this part of the game or that part doesn't fit for me.
Why can i still have fun in the game if it's so broken? I've got 11 years in and I'm still having a great time.
Isn't it on the individual player to bring the right attitude and approach to the game?
I do know that the times where I had to step back from the game I found that I was seeing things in the game to blame for what in the end was just my needing a break.
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Originally posted by BiGBMAW
1) I have LIMITED time to play...maybe an hour a week
2) I have a squad I like to fly with, we are rarely on at same time, So if they a show up Id like to be where we fly KNIGHTS!!
3)I get denied flying planes I enjoy.
We are at a base with larger red Dar bars then we have...and I'm getting restricted on what planes I fly.
This ENY thing is horrible, for the people like me with a limited time to play and enjoy the plane we like to fly.
I am letting my account close.
This is my only way to show my dismay on a game I really enjoy, and have been a paying customer since AW died. Its a dam shame.
Not trying to be mean about it, but what you are suggesting is the game be revamped to fit that hour a week you want to play so you can play it just the way you want to play it.
Considering the numbers of players in the game and the amount many others fly without complaint, it seems like an awful lot to do for that one hour.
And if your squad is close, then switching countries shouldn't be that big a deal cause the fun is flying with your buddies, not a chess piece.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Would you not agree that much of that is normal attrition though? Of all the folks i started flying with all those years ago in AW, there aren't that many left....
In the case of those I speak of, no. I still talk with many of them on a daily basis and their reasons are valid. They'd still be flying if it weren't for certain changes to AH including ENY. Some come back from time to time to see if things are any different. And when they do, they leave as quickly as they came.
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Originally posted by NHawk
In the case of those I speak of, no. I still talk with many of them on a daily basis and their reasons are valid. They'd still be flying if it weren't for certain changes to AH including ENY. Some come back from time to time to see if things are any different. And when they do, they leave as quickly as they came.
hmmm. I guess being a 38G driver, and willing to go to the low numbers country with my squad has made it much easier to keep going then. ENY has not affected my flying at all.
I'm not sure why folks don't do that more. The fights are the same regardless of which chess piece you are flying for or against in my experience.
I agree that the key is being able to fly with your friends. I've always been able to do that.
I guess flexibilty and a willingness to adapt are helpful:aok
Not trying to be sarcastic btw, I just find that it's still on me to find the fun and I still can.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
...Not trying to be sarcastic btw, I just find that it's still on me to find the fun and I still can.
I'm not taking it a sarcastic. Not at all. :)
I still find fun in flying and it's the only reason I'm still here. I fly mostly in a defensive roll.
And because of that, I can also see BigB's and others point of view. If they are going to pay for an online sim, they should be able to fly the plane they like regardless of the number of people in the arena or the country they fly for. It happens to many times while a country is hording another country that some are trying to defend against the third country and they are being penalized by ENY. That is the unfairness in ENY.
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Originally posted by NHawk
It happens to many times while a country is hording another country that some are trying to defend against the third country and they are being penalized by ENY. That is the unfairness in ENY.
The problem is: No ENY at all - unfairness on a global scale and every time, instead of some local unfairness now and then.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
.... and willing to go to the low numbers country with my squad has made it much easier to keep going then. ENY has not affected my flying at all....
This is where I have a major problem with ENY...
If I am in Country A with the sole purpose of defending a base WHY would I change countries to attack the very base I'm trying to defend?
And if I don't change it's like getting into a back alley brawl with a pea shooter vs a shotgun. What else can I do but run the other way?
I'd rather log off to help lower ENY than change sides to attack the country I currently fly for.
I'm not being sarcastic here either. It just doesn't make sense to me to fly for and defend a country and then change sides to attack it. Something is just inherently wrong with that picture. It's one thing to change sides for a tour but an entirely different thing to do it on a day by day basis.
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Originally posted by NHawk
This is where I have a major problem with ENY...
If I am in Country A with the sole purpose of defending a base WHY would I change countries to attack the very base I'm trying to defend?
And if I don't change it's like getting into a back alley brawl with a pea shooter vs a shotgun. What else can I do but run the other way?
I'd rather log off to help lower ENY than change sides to attack the country I currently fly for.
I'm not being sarcastic here either. It just doesn't make sense to me to fly for and defend a country and then change sides to attack it. Something is just inherently wrong with that picture.
Chances are it's the low number country defending however. I've been in the spot where my first flight is with the larger crowd to a certain base. The numbers are so far off that I switch and I'm suddenly fighting the guys i was flying with defending the base getting mobbed.
It generally leads to a good fight and a good laugh :)
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Originally posted by NHawk
My squad has nothing to do with this. But if you want to drag us in, that's fine.
I didn't "drag" your squad into this, you shoved it in everyones face with this quote. "When a M.A.W. quits, it's a blow to the community.[/b]" What you are stating is something like this statement: If this star goes out the whole sky will turn into an inky black wasteland. Witch is a totally untrue statement. Yes the night is darker when one candle is extinguished, but not for long as other candles come to replace it.
I've watched 20 members of my squad with 10 years+ time leave because of nonsense like ENY and other things in AH.
The choice to leave was theirs, for their own reasons.
If you count all of the old timers that have quit, regardless of squad affiliation, you'd find it's a huge number.
If you count all the new members that have joined, you will also find that it is a huge number too.
And the attitude you portraid wasn't called for.
It may not be called for, but it is my own attitude cultivated over years of reading whiny threads about how ENY is "unfair", about how this, or that is "unfair". "Hitech please ( fill in stupid unworkable suggestion here )."
I just don't have anymore cheese for these whines.
Hitech has done the best that anyone can do for this game. Yes their are situations where the "rules" have been manipulated to produce an undesired, and unintended result. Deal with it and make the best of it, or quit. I'll still be flying whatever ENY will allow, trying to halt the hoard.
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Originally posted by Iron_Cross
... Yes the night is darker when one candle is extinguished, but not for long as other candles come to replace it....
But imagine how much brighter the night would be if the old guard stayed AND others joined.
Enough said. The M.A.W earned their respect. There's no need to beat them or one of their members down because their opinion differs from others. A simple would have sufficed.
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Doesn't anyone remember the clouds of spits descending all at once, prior to eny? Running into 25 LA-7s, with two other people helping you defend....ALL night? Am I the only one?
God, peeps, shut up. IT'S ONLY A GAME....AND ITS THE BEST DAMN ONE OF THEM OUT THERE. Eny has made this game better.... you should attempt to enjoy the other fighters, besides the uber rides. Personally, the game got a whole lot more enjoyable for me, when I could kill spixteens with a Yak Tango reliably..... but then I like a challenge.
Go be coddled somewhere else...I hear dogfights has a totally BS flight sim now....
I also think that if it really bothers you, you SHOULD take a break from the game.... you may have missed there is a whole wide world out there.
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Originally posted by MORAY37
.... you may have missed there is a whole wide world out there.
Huh? What?
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Originally posted by MORAY37
Doesn't anyone remember the clouds of spits descending all at once, prior to eny? Running into 25 LA-7s, with two other people helping you defend....ALL night? Am I the only one?
I remember whole tours like that. Made me almost, want to quit. When 4 out of 5 planes you saw was ether a Spit, Niki, LA-7, or a P-51. Almost made me wonder why Hitech modeled those other planes.
Go be coddled somewhere else...I hear dogfights has a totally BS flight sim now....
Here, hear, yes my thoughts exactly.
I also think that if it really bothers you, you SHOULD take a break from the game.... you may have missed there is a whole wide world out there.
Yes do take a break, and see why Hitech, pretty much has the only game in town worth your money.
Everyone has a choice, and choosing not to play the game because of ENY, or any other perceived fault of gameplay decisions, Hitech has made, is a choice too.
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Originally posted by NHawk
My squad has nothing to do with this. But if you want to drag us in, that's fine. I've watched 20 members of my squad with 10 years+ time leave because of nonsense like ENY and other things in AH.
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that's your squadrons issue, not HiTech's. If they let something like ENY to cause them to quit, they were on the edge of readying to quit already. ENY just gave them a convenient scapegoat to use.
If you count all of the old timers that have quit, regardless of squad affiliation, you'd find it's a huge number.
I doubt they all stopped playing because of the ENY and you'll find that most of the quitting is all part of the natural attrition process. There are quite a few "old timers" still playing, after all the MAWs aren't the only 13+ year old squadron in AH.
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Arena caps make all of these things worse. MANY times I have gotten the boot from the arena involved in fights where we were outnumbered but could not get back in due to the damned infernal arena caps that had the side imbalance locked in.
A lot of players are understandably side-loyal. I am, and do not apologize for it. Get rid of the arena cap and it would help.
Open another arena with a 200 limit or so for people who like flying in puny anemic arenas.
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
A lot of players are sheep and can only fly if they are part of a herd. I am, and do not apologize for it. Get rid of the arena cap and it would help.
Fixed for accuracy.
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Ack Ack... I suppose it isn't your fault no-one wants to fly with you. Wonder why? :rolleyes:
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The solution is easy, ENY does work against you. Lalas and Spixteens should be perked that is all then the ENY would'nt be as bad to deal with!
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
Ack Ack... I suppose it isn't your fault no-one wants to fly with you. Wonder why? :rolleyes:
they don't? I guess I should take more showers then.
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We've lost a lot more BKs because there wasn't ENY. We are a more important and influential squadron, so please change the game to suit us immediately.
Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.
Warmest retards,
hub
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
Ack Ack... I suppose it isn't your fault no-one wants to fly with you. Wonder why? :rolleyes:
Are you suggesting I'm a no-one? I've flown with AKAK. He seemed to be harmless enough. Had fun winging with him on more then one occasion too. Where did I go wrong?
I feel...so...insignificant! :)
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Originally posted by storch
sir, in life and in this is and other games the only constant is change. while I agree with what you post and understand that it can be a frustration I will point out that the game has markedly improved since these changes were implemented. perhaps your limited time online prevents you from fully appreciating how much better the game is now even though there is still much room for refinement.
Sorry Storch, can't agree. Eny hasn't solved anything, unless you call making people who pay to play the game log off accomplishing something. It's just proved that the more you complain about a bad idea, the more the people who implemented it feel the need to keep it.
Sort of also explains why we have all these different arenas still up when only two of them are ever used. I remember when they were implemented how we had the halleluja chorus telling us that they too were great for the game.
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Why is somone always gripe'in about la7 and 16. They are almost always over confident and the easiest kills in the game. I will engage a la7 or spit16 before any other plane. Starting to learn to stay away from p38"s <>
Of course im a a6m dweeb!!!
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1) Vans is right about last night it was BS..We had a much larger Red bar over our base then friendly..The way I like it.
I tried to up typhoon..No....I tried to Up Hurri 2c..NO..I then said screw this Ill go kill GVs...I upped a B-25..NO
Thats when It was the final straw...Its crap. I had no problem with these"uber" hordes before eny came around
It would be at least decent if they were going to take away planes to give us an option of perk during eny..at the most
I am canceling as a strike. If others do it when they get sick of it..All the better..If not..at least I stood by how I feel.
Maybe give me back money when they take the planes away..llol
I will fly again someday..this game is great..But the way the eny is , it makes my limited time to play "un-fun". Now I have to fly a slow plane to chase you kooks.?. You have to chase half the tards already
I cant remember the last time i stepped in a spit or an Lghey.
And Iron cross.. Who are you? I'm thinking my goon would kill your sorry sulk
Anyways..My Money their planes..Its like HTC picked up the ball and left the court. I'm guessing they started the ENY because the tardlets could not learn how to fight better planes? Sounds like "social promotion" in schools.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Would you not agree that much of that is normal attrition though? Of all the folks i started flying with all those years ago in AW, there aren't that many left.
People come and go. That's just part of the landscape. To blame it on this part of the game or that part doesn't fit for me.
Why can i still have fun in the game if it's so broken? I've got 11 years in and I'm still having a great time.
Isn't it on the individual player to bring the right attitude and approach to the game?
I do know that the times where I had to step back from the game I found that I was seeing things in the game to blame for what in the end was just my needing a break.
There ya go. Sense. :)
I heard the shrill warble-bleet of the pink breasted yellow crested chesspiece fixated sheep donut's lonely and frustrated mating calls the moment HT decided to implement some balancing features to the game. (Then it seemed to die off ... at least a little ... after some made some a point to quit "for good" to convince HT to "fix" things back.) The features may not be perfect ... but what in this world ever is? Besides, the biggest bleeting seems to center around just plain stubborn refusal to fly together as anything other than (insert chesspiece) because:
a: None of my squadies (nor I) wanna fly as anything else ... ever ... because we're *loyal* to (insert chesspiece).
b: None of my squadies (nor I) are coordinated enough to plan ahead. (Email's a challenge .... having a backup plan's a beech .... switching sides takes additional technical expertise none of us have mastered yet.)
c: Our squad(s) are so monsterously large that on squad night we *are* (insert chesspiece).
Not saying that MAWs can't understand or handle such. I hope. ;)
I miss the game. It always got better, from my recollection. (And lawd - seeing the screenies of the new and improved hog stuff downright gave me a stiffie.) Once life settles down again ... the ENY doesn't skeer me any. I've always had more social skillz than virtual pile-it skillz anyway. :D
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Not all old timers left due to ENY. I actually played more for a bit after ENY was implimented.
I stopped playing (I still fly now and then, but it is rare) for other reasons, some from RL and some having to do with the souring attitude of the player base vis-a-vis politics and their insistance on dragging their political poison into a game I wanted to relax and blow off steam with, not be saturated with juvenile political thoughts.
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ENY limits aren't that bad, it's the ENY values that are messed up.
Sorry but the 'popularity' of a plane or it's perceived 'easyness' to fly really shouldn't be any part of its ENY value.
What it could be based on is open to a lot of debate I would assume.
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First off ENY should be tied to # of fields not # of people.
Second, instead of disabling planes, lets disable ordanance.
5 eny no bombs available over 1k.
10 eny knocks the 1k bombs out.
15 eny knocks out the 500's
20 eny knocks out the all ord and troops.
Now a country can still fly, people can still have fun but the big country is not going to continue to gain fields. Plus, this system will work just as well for for a undermanned arena. Gain too many fields and you shut down the ord and troops needed to gain more. No more endless land grabbing in the empty arena's.
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Originally posted by BiGBMAW
1) Now I have to fly a slow plane to chase you kooks.?.
No, you haven't. The fastest prop plane between 8-25k (and still among the fastest on the deck) has an ENY of 20 only. It's a common misconception that planes with ENY >10 are lame ducks. They aren't.
And if ENY is >20, the problem of having a huge red dar over an own base is clearly your countrymen busy vulching elswhere instead of fighting.
(Which doesn't mean there aren't any maneuverable, fast planes with ENY above 20)
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Plus, this system will work just as well for for a undermanned arena. Gain too many fields and you shut down the ord and troops needed to gain more. No more endless land grabbing in the empty arena's.
IF ENY is based on field #'s and high ENY shuts down troops & ords... how do we get an arena reset?
This would end all offensive action not only in undermanned arenas.
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RATS, foiled again.
Sigh, back to the drawing board I guess.
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Originally posted by BiGBMAW
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I will fly again someday..this game is great..But the way the eny is , it makes my limited time to play "un-fun". Now I have to fly a slow plane to chase you kooks.?. You have to chase half the tards already
I cant remember the last time i stepped in a spit or an Lghey.
And Iron cross.. Who are you? I'm thinking my goon would kill your sorry sulk
Anyways..My Money their planes..Its like HTC picked up the ball and left the court. I'm guessing they started the ENY because the tardlets could not learn how to fight better planes? Sounds like "social promotion" in schools.
I am sure having read this you have made the right choice and everyone will be better off as a result:aok
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Originally posted by Lusche
IF ENY is based on field #'s and high ENY shuts down troops & ords... how do we get an arena reset?
This would end all offensive action not only in undermanned arenas.
I was just thinking the same thing.
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I don't know why, but when eny kicks in it doesn't bother me. I do understand the gripes of others though. For many years, there was no eny. And now there is.
The reason is "before the game was worse now it is better." Or if I didn't say it quite right, that's the sense of it.
That's never won the day with me.
Even so, the eny change must have increased subscriptions or increased retention and lowered the rate or #'s of people cancelling. Something measureable.
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I read about half the posts and got bored. This has been talked about to the point of beating a dead horse.
Folks paying 15 bucks a month become members of the community, they are not buying the game. To be a part of a community requires everyone's input. It also requires everyone to adjust to what is best for the community as a whole. The community is in a constant ebb and flow.
A community is successful when the flow coming in is greater than the flow going out. Folks who have an inability to cope with change are better off moving to another community as staying only serves to sour the attitudes of folks that come in contact with them.
This thread was started by a gentleman that stated what he had to say and decided to leave. He did so in a way that was not attacking anyone or putting anyone down. That is his right as a member of this community to do just that.
While I hate to see anyone leave our community, his interest in the community had run it's course. He made a tough decision that is probably best for him and the community.
I for one hope that in the future he checks back in and finds a renewed interest with AH and it's ever changing ebb and flow.
BigBMAW and all of our Community
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Originally posted by Shuffler
I read about half the posts and got bored. This has been talked about to the point of beating a dead horse.
Folks paying 15 bucks a month become members of the community, they are not buying the game. To be a part of a community requires everyone's input. It also requires everyone to adjust to what is best for the community as a whole. The community is in a constant ebb and flow.
A community is successful when the flow coming in is greater than the flow going out. Folks who have an inability to cope with change are better off moving to another community as staying only serves to sour the attitudes of folks that come in contact with them.
This thread was started by a gentleman that stated what he had to say and decided to leave. He did so in a way that was not attacking anyone or putting anyone down. That is his right as a member of this community to do just that.
While I hate to see anyone leave our community, his interest in the community had run it's course. He made a tough decision that is probably best for him and the community.
I for one hope that in the future he checks back in and finds a renewed interest with AH and it's ever changing ebb and flow.
BigBMAW and all of our Community
Nicely put. I agree.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Shuffler
I read about half the posts and got bored. This has been talked about to the point of beating a dead horse.
Folks paying 15 bucks a month become members of the community, they are not buying the game. To be a part of a community requires everyone's input. It also requires everyone to adjust to what is best for the community as a whole. The community is in a constant ebb and flow.
A community is successful when the flow coming in is greater than the flow going out. Folks who have an inability to cope with change are better off moving to another community as staying only serves to sour the attitudes of folks that come in contact with them.
This thread was started by a gentleman that stated what he had to say and decided to leave. He did so in a way that was not attacking anyone or putting anyone down. That is his right as a member of this community to do just that.
While I hate to see anyone leave our community, his interest in the community had run it's course. He made a tough decision that is probably best for him and the community.
I for one hope that in the future he checks back in and finds a renewed interest with AH and it's ever changing ebb and flow.
BigBMAW and all of our Community
Shufflers blender must be on the fritz again..... he starting to make sense again.:D
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Originally posted by Kev367th
ENY limits aren't that bad, it's the ENY values that are messed up.
Sorry but the 'popularity' of a plane or it's perceived 'easyness' to fly really shouldn't be any part of its ENY value.
What it could be based on is open to a lot of debate I would assume.
Spot on, as well. Concise, too. Almost Spock logical. :D
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Are you suggesting I'm a no-one? I've flown with AKAK. He seemed to be harmless enough. Had fun winging with him on more then one occasion too. Where did I go wrong?
I feel...so...insignificant! :)
Yeah ... me too ... have flown with and against him ... always fun either way.
Now that I think about ... my nose is usually stuffed so I don't smell to well. Next time I fky with ya AKAK, I will blow my nose and see if ya really stink.
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Originally posted by Baine
Sorry Storch, can't agree. Eny hasn't solved anything, unless you call making people who pay to play the game log off accomplishing something. It's just proved that the more you complain about a bad idea, the more the people who implemented it feel the need to keep it.
Sort of also explains why we have all these different arenas still up when only two of them are ever used. I remember when they were implemented how we had the halleluja chorus telling us that they too were great for the game.
If ENY is causing people to log off ... then it is working on balancing the numbers ... WTG ENY !!!
The creation of the Mid-War arena was a god-send from HTC ... probably the best decision that HT has made since I started the game was to create the separate arenas.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Yeah ... me too ... have flown with and against him ... always fun either way.
Now that I think about ... my nose is usually stuffed so I don't smell to well. Next time I fky with ya AKAK, I will blow my nose and see if ya really stink.
just stay downwind and you should be okay unless I've had some Mexican food.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Kev367th
ENY limits aren't that bad, it's the ENY values that are messed up.
Sorry but the 'popularity' of a plane or it's perceived 'easyness' to fly really shouldn't be any part of its ENY value.
What it could be based on is open to a lot of debate I would assume.
I am a supporter of ENY ... but I do and aways have agreed with Kev everytime we have an ENY whine thread and he mentions this.
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B-25 Hurri- and the slug turning plane Tyhie...all banned at the same time..Boo
The skies and channel 200 are a bit safer now