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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Holden McGroin on October 09, 2007, 04:13:32 AM
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A Welsh farmer, walking through his field, notices a man drinking out of a pond, using one hand.
The Welsh farmer shouted: 'Paid a yfed a dwr, maer gwerthin wedi Cachu un a for.' Which means: 'Don't drink the water - the cows have s**t in it.'
The man shouts back: 'I'm a Muslim, I don't understand. Please speak English.'
The Welsh farmer says: 'Use two hands, they hold more'!!!
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So.... you're racist against muslims?
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Muslim is a religion, not a race.
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That's all right then.
Too sophisticated for me. When I read the thread title I thought this was going to discuss the Welsh rugby side.
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I r teh phunny bigot!!11!!
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Originally posted by Dowding
That's all right then.
If we couldn't joke about religion, all those Priest, Rabbi, and Minister walk into a bar jokes would have to be relegated to the landfills of humor.
After all, as Mahatma Gandhi often said, "If you can't laugh at yourself, make fun of other people."
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Originally posted by thrila
I r teh phunny bigot!!11!!
At least I know the difference between race and religion.
I'll try to post a joke that meets your specifications:
Three humorless idiot PC hacks walk into a bar. Each finds something personally offensive and shows each patron of the bar what they are doing wrong in their everyday life and how it effects others who also have no sense of humor.
Lets see.... somehow there has to be a punch line, but it seems the set up has no possibilities.
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I thought that joke was very good!
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Originally posted by Angus
I thought that joke was very good!
You are obviously a bigot Angus.
Both you and I need to attend re-education centers and have years of sensitivity training so we too can become humo(u)rless PC hacks. We will have to check our PMs as I'm sure Thrila has already forwarded us the information.
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:rofl
Count me in :D
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VERY GOOD!
And when it comes to them, yes I am.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
A Welsh farmer, walking through his field, notices a man drinking out of a pond, using one hand.
The Welsh farmer shouted: 'Paid a yfed a dwr, maer gwerthin wedi Cachu un a for.' Which means: 'Don't drink the water - the cows have s**t in it.'
The man shouts back: 'I'm a Muslim, I don't understand. Please speak English.'
The Welsh farmer says: 'Use two hands, they hold more'!!!
:rofl :cry :rofl
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A Nazi is tending is flock of Aryan pureblood sheep one day, when he comes across a man drinking from a pond in his pasture.
Frothing at the mouth and with bulging eyes, he maniacally gesticulates that the water is used for sheep dipping, while adding a few crazed words for effect .
"I'm sorry," replies the man "I'm orthodox Jewish and my hair obscures my ears, please can speak more slowly and with less menace."
"I said, do you want ice with that?"
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Originally posted by Dowding
Frothing at the mouth and with bulging eyes, he maniacally gesticulates that the water is used for sheep dipping, while adding a few crazed words for effect .
Frothing at the mouth with bulging eyes? You bigoted against Nazis?
My god you're a monster.
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A southerner is out and about walking through the golden corn fields and grassy...er....grass fields where cattle graze in his home county and happens upon a chap face down in a ditch making sucking noises. Concerned that the poor chap may have done himself an injury he attempts to pull him out of the ditch only to be told
"oigerroffya****er aye'm jus' tryin' to git meself a drink!"
Realising the gentleman is a northern munkey and therefore probably makes wild claims about being gay every april 1st, the southerner leaves him to it.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-8/48257/Swoop2.gif)
P.S. :p
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Shamus is drunk as a bat in his favourite Irish pub, and starts shouting out loud : "THE POPE IS A BUM"
After repeditive shouting, big O'Reilly approches him and asks "What did you just say???"
Shamus: "I said THE POPE IS A BUM"
O'Reilly instantly knocks Shamus flat and then stomps on him a bit before growlingly leaving the pub.
The bartender tends to Shamus who recovers slowly. The bartender says "WTF were you thinking, O'Reilly is the stongest brawler in the county, and I think you very well know that he's a catholic!"
Shamu's "I did know he was, just didn't know the Pope was"
Wonderful races in the British Isles :D
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I wish I were an Oscar Meyer Bigotttttt, so I can really enjoy Holden's jokes
tooooooo :D
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Originally posted by thrila
So.... you're racist against muslims?
muslim is not a race (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1ZLXbKeL2U)
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if a joke about race is racist.
then
is a joke about religion, religionist?
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Originally posted by thrila
So.... you're racist against muslims?
So they're allowed to hate us but we're not allowed to hate them?
Now that's comedy!!!
Nuke Ramadan
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Nuke Ramadan
That's like saying nuke Christmas.
Now that's comedy, you imbecile.
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Originally posted by Dowding
That's like saying nuke Christmas.
Now that's comedy, you imbecile.
I know exactly what it means. I would have said 'Nuke Mecca', but figured a little seasonal flare in the form of a playful substitution wouldn't have hurt the sentiment.
Ramadan, you see, being their most important holiday, is a symbol of Islam, and thus embodies everything that Islam is--everything relevant, anyway. Just like saying 'Nuke Uncle Sam' or 'Nuke the Hammer and Sickle' would indicate a desire to do away with the entities those symbols represent.
I understand your angst, however... Nuke Hanukkah would have fit your tastes far better.
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ohhhh a cat fight. I'm IN
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Originally posted by thrila
So.... you're racist against muslims?
that guy needs to lighten up alittle lol i thought it was funny
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Actually, Neubob, I did initially think you taking the p*** out of certain individuals around here but changed my mind. Mea culpa.
However, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but saying "Nuke Mecca" generates the same reaction as "Death to Israel" from me. And usually involves words akin to imbecile.
I'd also like you to point out where I have ever even echoed a sentiment such as "Nuke Hanukkah". I accept your apology in advance.
Finally, I've never considered "Nuke Uncle Sam" was a popular phrase. "Nuke America" I've heard of, perhaps even seen on a placard, although I would say it is a Cold War thing. Either way, Google returns 10 times as many references to the latter compared to the former.
It seems the imbeciles prefer to go with the literal rather than the abstract. I guess it is punchier.
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The only reason I don't make jokes about muslims is because I don't want them to crash a plane into my house.
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Originally posted by Dowding
Actually, Neubob, I did initially think you taking the p*** out of certain individuals around here but changed my mind. Mea culpa.
However, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but saying "Nuke Mecca" generates the same reaction as "Death to Israel" from me. And usually involves words akin to imbecile.
So wait... When you hear 'death to Israel', in a place or setting where you can react immediately, do you call this person an imbecile? Do you at least think it? Do your insides become filled with anger and frustration? Does the fiber of your being hurt and cry for the innocents who contributed nothing to the conflict, yet are already doomed to live with its legacy? Or do you just let it pass--chalk it up to the inability of certain cultures to co-exist? Do you give equal weight to the gravity of the situation for the Jews as the Arabs give to themselves for having Israel stuck in the middle of the region they dominate?
So long as as Islam continues to view Israel is a problem, I will continue to view Islam, arabic Islam, specifically, as a problem. Plain and simple. I just won't strap a bomb to myself to prove my devotion to the hatred.
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I thought it was funny. Willing to bet if it were a Sunni farmer and a Christian guy drinking, they'd laugh too.
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So wait... When you hear 'death to Israel', in a place or setting where you can react immediately, do you call this person an imbecile? Do you at least think it? Do your insides become filled with anger and frustration? Does the fiber of your being hurt and cry for the innocents who contributed nothing to the conflict, yet are already doomed to live with its legacy? Or do you just let it pass--chalk it up to the inability of certain cultures to co-exist? Do you give equal weight to the gravity of the situation for the Jews as the Arabs give to themselves for having Israel stuck in the middle of the region they dominate?
When I see "Death to Israel", I think 'dolt'.
When I see "Death to Amreeka", I think 'idiot'.
When I see "Nuke Mecca", I think 'imbecile'.
And placard waving generally gets a similar response, unless the holders of said placard are peacefully demanding a change in government or democracy or an end to aparteid etc.
Clear?
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I so ronley....
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LEEROY JENKINNNS.
sorry, i had this irresistible urge.
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The Catholics, the Jewish, and many other religions receive jabs like this all the time, why should the Muslims be any different?
Oh wait... that's right, because they terrified people after the Dutch cartoons came out.
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Originally posted by Dowding
When I see "Death to Israel", I think 'dolt'.
When I see "Death to Amreeka", I think 'idiot'.
When I see "Nuke Mecca", I think 'imbecile'.
And placard waving generally gets a similar response, unless the holders of said placard are peacefully demanding a change in government or democracy or an end to aparteid etc.
Clear?
Peacefully demanding?
Is that supposed to be funny or something? A humorous play on words? An oxymoron for the new age?
How do you demand something when your opponent has no incentive to satisfy you? Do you wage peace on them? Smother them with love and understanding? Appeal to his soft an cuddly side? Appease him into a state of docility?
Sorry, but if my enemy has gone to lengths to convince me that it's either him or me, I'd personally rather it be him. No peaceful demands, whatever the hell that's supposed to mean. No showers of flower petals.
Frankly, I'd rather be an imbecile in your book than a dead chump in the universal definition of the term.
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Originally posted by Rino
I wish I were an Oscar Meyer Bigotttttt, so I can really enjoy Holden's jokes
tooooooo :D
Okay... lets go bit by bit thru the original joke and see what is bigoted about it.
A Welsh farmer, walking through his field, notices a man drinking out of a pond, using one hand.
Nothing yet... unless you think Welsh farming is somehow against all that is good.
The Welsh farmer shouted: 'Paid a yfed a dwr, maer gwerthin wedi Cachu un a for.' Which means: 'Don't drink the water - the cows have s**t in it.'
So now the farmer, using an obscure language warns someone about possible ill health should the stranger continue to drink.
Is this bigoted? no.
The man shouts back: 'I'm a Muslim, I don't understand. Please speak English.'
That must be it. After all, it may be common for muslims worldwide to speak celtic based languages... nope, that probability seems quite small. So no bigotry yet.
The Welsh farmer says: 'Use two hands, they hold more'!!!
This must be it. The Welsh farmer, realizing that the stranger is muslim, changed his warning to encouragement. But then again, if the stranger was a Cambridge graduate student, the same response from the Welsh farmer may be forthcoming.
The humor comes from the twist at the end.
The bigotry is in your own mind.
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That was cute, Thrila.
Pop in, drop a little Political corection bomb, and then a one line flame.
In and out by post #5.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
The humor comes from the twist at the end.
The bigotry is in your own mind.
bingo
only i wouldnt have bothered explaining it, screw 'em
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How do you demand something when your opponent has no incentive to satisfy you? Do you wage peace on them? Smother them with love and understanding? Appeal to his soft an cuddly side? Appease him into a state of docility?
You have heard of Ghandi, Martin Luther King or Nelson Mandela? The authorities they were working against had no incentive to give up their positions.
Peaceful demonstration - a cornerstone of democracy. A shame it is lost on you.
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Originally posted by Dowding
You have heard of Ghandi, Martin Luther King or Nelson Mandela? The authorities they were working against had no incentive to give up their positions.
Peaceful demonstration - a cornerstone of democracy. A shame it is lost on you.
I have heard of those fellows, actually. A great bunch.
I'm just coming up empty finding examples of any of them dealing with the Islamists--since they were the group we were discussing in the beginning.
You honestly think that picketing and peacefully requesting is going to work with these people? You're a Brit, afterall, so I'm assuming you guys have found a fail-safe way of negotiating with these fanatics by now. You want a peaceful co-existence, and they want unequivicle obedience... Seems pretty irreconcilable to me, but then again, things are lost on me....If it's not too much trouble, try to enlighten.
And stop with the subtle references to me. I know I'm an ignorant cave-dweller. Everybody does. So just have the conversation and save the jabs, please.
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I'm still waiting for the examples of where I have advocated 'Nuking Hanukkah".
Thanks in advance.
BTW, the peaceful demonstration was a general comment that you have taken out of context - I never suggested it should be used to combat terrorism. You questioned my reaction to seeing "Death to Israel" - I said that placard waving generally gives a negative reaction from me, unless the people holding it are peacefully demanding a change of government, democracy or freedom etc.
I can understand your confusion if English is not your first language. Otherwise, read the posts again.
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We were talking about the problem posed by Islamists. That was the topic. Whatever deviation there was from said topic did not change the topic, in my mind at least. You're against using the proverbial big stick, yet accept the fact that peaceful negotiation will not work. I believe you called me in embecile when I suggested using the big stick (a certain level of embellishment is implied), yet your solution is still nowhere to be seen.
As for my 'Nuke Hanukkah' reference... Well, ever since you accepted my apology pre-emptively, I figured it was a dead issue. The reason I said it was because I figured that since most of you Euros suffer from Islam on the brain to one extent or another, you'd naturally fall into the category of people that at least quietly believes that those damned Jews, and Israel, for that matter, are making things worse for us all. If you are not, then I did indeed owe you an apology.
However, given your manner of constantly ending your posts with the pseudo-witty jabs that you can't seem to keep to yourself, I don't think you need the apology. I figure it's best that you either tell me how you think the Islamist problem should be dealt with, and keep your verbal wet-willies to yourself, or just end this conversation.
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I don't see the problem here with Muslims. I just got back from a 15 month tour in Iraq guarding over 1000 of them. (33,000 detainees, 400 guards)They only want one thing. To convert all of us to Islam by force. Oh, and to kill any westerner they can get their hands on. But then, what do I know? I only have 3 Jihad's on my head at the moment.
By the way.....
A Priest, a Rabbi, and a Cleric walk into a bar. The bartender looks up and says "What is this? Some sort of Joke?"
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i always thought geehaad was something you shouted to your plow mules to guide them.
oh wait,..... ok
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Well this conversation started badly, and didn't exactly improve in tone.
Your ill-founded assertions about those damned 'Euros' are as foolish as they are wrong. You made a mistake in my instance. I'll wager, it won't be the last. You're clearly eaten up with rage; something both sides in the Arab-Israeli conflict suffer from. I don't know how that will be defused, if you excuse the pun.
While I may not know the 'right' answer, I know absolutely what would be the wrong. Nuking Mecca or Tel-Aviv would fall into the latter.
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Yes, I am in a rage.
I am outraged. And I don't understand how anybody today can be anything but outraged. We are allowing a backward, oppressive, barbaric culture to dictate the terms in what has become nothing less than a global war of ideology.
If there is any doubt in your mind that they want our submission, you are deluded. If you there is any doubt in your mind that their hatred and willingness to take this to the end will ever be satiated by anything less than total surrender, you are deluded.
And yet here we are, today, appeasing them, negotiating them into a situation that is ultimately compromising towards us. Forget the Jewish struggle. forget the Arab/Israeli conflict. This has spilled over into a battle of progress verses regress. A conflict between religious oppression and freedom of existence.
And you think there's a way to deal with this other than all out conflict? I'm sorry Dowding, but the route of political correctness is both old and impotent. This will never end until we show them the will that they've already shown us. If this belief makes me a bigot, than so be it. I'd still rather all of them die before anybody that is dear to me. Thanks to their resolve, we are past the point of humanity.
I sincerely apologize if I offended you with pre-conceived notions and primitive insults, but this is it, my view distilled into one post. Us or them. If you think that there's a happy medium, just as one of their religious leaders, and ask him to be sincere.
I, for one, will not be converting to Islam. And, I suspect, neither will you... Now how does that sit with their own sickening version of manifest destiny?
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
At least I know the difference between race and religion.
I'll try to post a joke that meets your specifications:
Three humorless idiot PC hacks walk into a bar. Each finds something personally offensive and shows each patron of the bar what they are doing wrong in their everyday life and how it effects others who also have no sense of humor.
Lets see.... somehow there has to be a punch line, but it seems the set up has no possibilities.
So then they see a Muslim drinking water from ....
... or maybe it's a negro. We know bigotry is just in the eye of the beholder .... not the teller. As long as one knee gets slapped it's all good. ;)
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Originally posted by Neubob
Yes, I am in a rage.
I am outraged. And I don't understand how anybody today can be anything but outraged. We are allowing a backward, oppressive, barbaric culture to dictate the terms in what has become nothing less than a global war of ideology.
If there is any doubt in your mind that they want our submission, you are deluded. If you there is any doubt in your mind that their hatred and willingness to take this to the end will ever be satiated by anything less than total surrender, you are deluded.
And yet here we are, today, appeasing them, negotiating them into a situation that is ultimately compromising towards us. Forget the Jewish struggle. forget the Arab/Israeli conflict. This has spilled over into a battle of progress verses regress. A conflict between religious oppression and freedom of existence.
And you think there's a way to deal with this other than all out conflict? I'm sorry Dowding, but the route of political correctness is both old and impotent. This will never end until we show them the will that they've already shown us. If this belief makes me a bigot, than so be it. I'd still rather all of them die before anybody that is dear to me. Thanks to their resolve, we are past the point of humanity.
I sincerely apologize if I offended you with pre-conceived notions and primitive insults, but this is it, my view distilled into one post. Us or them. If you think that there's a happy medium, just as one of their religious leaders, and ask him to be sincere.
I, for one, will not be converting to Islam. And, I suspect, neither will you... Now how does that sit with their own sickening version of manifest destiny?
99.9% of the time I will not join in a political or religious argument but I absolutely have to 2nd this one.
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Replace the word "culture" with "subculture" and I might be inclined as well. If you're gonna be enraged enough to kill someone make sure it's the one's that are the problem .... not the ones that make you part of it. It's the reason smart bombs were invented to begin with.
If you're gonna be enraged at an entire culture because of the actions of a few or a group within it then you're just justifying the attitudes of the terrorists by mimicking it and all you really need to do is take that one extra step and fly an airliner into the largest clump of population you can find in a city in Saudi Arbia to finish the transformation and be completely indistinguishable. Hello rebirth of the crusades. :D
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Well that'd be great and all if all of their combatants wore a uniform and didn't try to blend in with the civilians. Can you perhaps talk them into that? It would make the task of eliminating the threatening ones vs the non threatening ones so much easier. If you can't and this country ever gets it's resolve up then I'm afraid there's going to be a bit of collateral damage and, while that is a tragedy on an epic scale, it's a tragedy I can live with.
Unfortunately I don't think the United States and her allies will ever remain united long enough to do more than be in constant conflict with a continual erosion of my freedoms and sense of safety.
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Originally posted by Neubob
Yes, I am in a rage.
I am outraged. And I don't understand how anybody today can be anything but outraged. We are allowing a backward, oppressive, barbaric culture to dictate the terms in what has become nothing less than a global war of ideology.
If there is any doubt in your mind that they want our submission, you are deluded. If you there is any doubt in your mind that their hatred and willingness to take this to the end will ever be satiated by anything less than total surrender, you are deluded.
And yet here we are, today, appeasing them, negotiating them into a situation that is ultimately compromising towards us. Forget the Jewish struggle. forget the Arab/Israeli conflict. This has spilled over into a battle of progress verses regress. A conflict between religious oppression and freedom of existence.
And you think there's a way to deal with this other than all out conflict? I'm sorry Dowding, but the route of political correctness is both old and impotent. This will never end until we show them the will that they've already shown us. If this belief makes me a bigot, than so be it. I'd still rather all of them die before anybody that is dear to me. Thanks to their resolve, we are past the point of humanity.
I sincerely apologize if I offended you with pre-conceived notions and primitive insults, but this is it, my view distilled into one post. Us or them. If you think that there's a happy medium, just as one of their religious leaders, and ask him to be sincere.
I, for one, will not be converting to Islam. And, I suspect, neither will you... Now how does that sit with their own sickening version of manifest destiny?
I wouldn't be in a rage about it. you are correct though it is a war of ideology and they are on the brink of total world domination.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Replace the word "culture" with "subculture" and I might be inclined as well. If you're gonna be enraged enough to kill someone make sure it's the one's that are the problem .... not the ones that make you part of it. It's the reason smart bombs were invented to begin with.
If you're gonna be enraged at an entire culture because of the actions of a few or a group within it then you're just justifying the attitudes of the terrorists by mimicking it and all you really need to do is take that one extra step and fly an airliner into the largest clump of population you can find in a city in Saudi Arbia to finish the transformation and be completely indistinguishable. Hello rebirth of the crusades. :D
Fanatics don't exist without a solid base of moderates to keep them energized and vitalized.
For every fanatic, there's a family of moderates quietly supporting them, and they're all guilty of the same thing.
Support, passive or active, is still support.
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
Well that'd be great and all if all of their combatants wore a uniform and didn't try to blend in with the civilians. Can you perhaps talk them into that? It would make the task of eliminating the threatening ones vs the non threatening ones so much easier.
I'm sorry. Were you thinking right was always supposed to be easy? :D
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Originally posted by Neubob
Fanatics don't exist without a solid base of moderates to keep them energized and vitalized.
Or without the breathing room everyone else being apathetic would create? Kinda like here? :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
I'm sorry. Were you thinking right was always supposed to be easy? :D
Nothing worth doing right is ever easy but I'm pretty sick and tired of having to be politically correct and digest every anti me thing I read without responding to it. The fanatics and even some moderates have stated clearly that their goal is world domination. That if you do not choose to convert to their religion then you are to be put to the sword. They are killing people of their religion because they are of a different sect. There is nothing short of full on, directly applied, violence and death to all of them that think this way that will stop them.
They've already changed my way of life and in that they have won. Do you think that for one second that the fact that there have been no attacks since 9/11 is an accident?
I think it's because A) some pretty good work that we don't know about and isn't our business and B) that the other side sees that public support for the war isn't growing and that attacking us would just galvanize the American people and other nations that believe in freedom.
We are apathetic as a country and as a world civilization. Hey so long as I get my starbucks in the morning and the Cowboys play on Sunday everything is peachy.
Every thing this country stands for is worth fighting for. We are clumsy and we make mistakes but do not stand there and tell me that you are willing to convert to another religion or be forced to accept religion or be put to death.
If it comes down to death for all of us as imperfect as we are, as clumsy as we are, and as misguided our deeds are, or death to all of them even the innocent. I choose the former over the latter.
THEY are forcing the US against THEM mentality.
In case you're not aware this country is based on freedom of religion and even freedom from religion. If you want to worship a tree.. hey rock on. Just don't try to make it a government mandate that I have to do the same.
Here's an idea.. go take a look at the concentration camps in Nazi Germany. Weren't there a bunch of people that were enslaved, tortured, and put to death, because of their religion? Fanatics at the helm? Absolutely. Some good soldiers and airmen that died because their bosses told them to go forth in defense of the fatherland? Yep... but they had to die so that the horror could not continue to propogate.
Frankly sir I'm not quite ready to get rounded up and put in a camp and marched into an oven. Are you?
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
Well that was pretty rhetorical. Anyhoo, how is my suggesting not letting your anger overrride rational thought and reasonable action "anti-you?" :D
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How about we just agree to disagree on this one sport? Obviously we have differing points of view. You will not move me off of mine and I'm not going to attempt to move you off of yours.
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
How about we just agree to disagree on this one sport? Obviously we have differing points of view. You will not move me off of mine and I'm not going to attempt to move you off of yours.
I wasn't telling you not to be angry, Dich. I merely made a suggestion on what seemed like a reasonable way to deal with it. You don't like it. Don't do it. Agreed, sport. :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
Or without the breathing room everyone else being apathetic would create? Kinda like here? :D
I don't think Americans are that apathetic.
Americans care about many things. For Christ's sake, they care about every pound that Britney gains. They care about every man that Paris Hilton dates, or pretends not to date. Americans care, and they care big...
The problem is that at some point, Americans were saturated with political correctness. They were taught that the enemy is really just a friend who needs to be re-taught, re-conditioned into a new style of thinking. "In every commie, there's an American waiting to get out", goes the immortal line.
Many Americans, some of whom post here, believe that you can't generalize. That you need to take very individual as the beautiful snowflake that they are (credit to Fight Club). And they'll teach their kids that, and if that generation survives, so will that notion...
Personally, I think it's a bunch of hogwash. Muslim ideology has drawn a very clear line in the sand. They want us to be at our knees, at their feet. They want your beliefs, christian, agnostic or atheist, to be abandoned for their own, and they're ready to do so by force of physical harm. If you want sources, just consult your local Islamist scholar.
And much to the chagrin of our local O Club liberals, I will generalize, and say that they are the enemy. Passive or active, moderate or fanatical, they are all nothing more than varying degrees of the same thing--your mortal enemy. They know this, but we, being the kind-hearted, politically-correct sheep that we are, will always give the benefit of the doubt, and buy into age old lie that Islam is "the religion of peace."
Bull****. They are the enemy and they want our heads either kneeling down, or on a platter. The moment that Apple-Pie America understands this, the moment that this nation's will is finally resolved into a single organ, is the moment that the tide turns.
Until then, we'll just be their marionettes... Playing a game that we cannot win, with an enemy that has no mercy.
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Originally posted by Neubob
I don't think Americans are that apathetic.
Americans care about many things. For Christ's sake, they care about every pound that Britney gains. They care about every man that Paris Hilton dates, or pretends not to date. Americans care, and they care big...
The problem is that at some point, Americans were saturated with political correctness. They were taught that the enemy is really just a friend who needs to be re-taught, re-conditioned into a new style of thinking. "In every commie, there's an American waiting to get out", goes the immortal line.
Many Americans, some of whom post here, believe that you can't generalize. That you need to take very individual as the beautiful snowflake that they are (credit to Fight Club). And they'll teach their kids that, and if that generation survives, so will that notion...
Personally, I think it's a bunch of hogwash. Muslim ideology has drawn a very clear line in the sand. They want us to be at our knees, at their feet. They want your beliefs, christian, agnostic or atheist, to be abandoned for their own, and they're ready to do so by force of physical harm. If you want sources, just consult your local Islamist scholar.
And much to the chagrin of our local O Club liberals, I will generalize, and say that they are the enemy. Passive or active, moderate or fanatical, they are all nothing more than varying degrees of the same thing--your mortal enemy. They know this, but we, being the kind-hearted, politically-correct sheep that we are, will always give the benefit of the doubt, and buy into age old lie that Islam is "the religion of peace."
Bull****. They are the enemy and they want our heads either kneeling down, or on a platter. The moment that Apple-Pie America understands this, the moment that this nation's will is finally resolved into a single organ, is the moment that the tide turns.
Until then, we'll just be their marionettes... Playing a game that we cannot win, with an enemy that has no mercy.
Too much spin for what I was suggesting. I wasn't doing a "political correctness" dance with you. I was recommending a more logical approach to the problem. Becoming more of the problem isn't it. never has been. :D
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Well Arlo, and I know I'll be skewered for even eluding to this, but perhaps the blanket approach is exactly what is needed.
We've tried smart bombs. We've tried using our surgical special forces. All these moves demonstrate military proficiency, but they also illustrate our most serious weakness... A total lack of resolve.
Maybe it's time we start getting dirty with them. Make their actions and indiscretions cost them more. Forget liberation. Make them understand and any more religious arrogance will lead to their complete ending. Women, children, cats and dogs, right along with the fanatics.
Yes, it is cruel and yes, it puts us on their level, but that's the unfortunate level we've allowed ourselves to reach as we've let them dictate the terms of this fight.
Let every act of terrorism be answered with an act of terrorism. They used 9/11 as a political fulcrum, over which they leveraged the entire ensuing conflict. If we'd responded to their savagery with equal, or even greater savagery, perhaps the point would have been made. Afterall, you don't deal with a bully by reasoning with him. You deal with him by beating the **** out of him.
We tried the diplomatic route, even though they started the offensive. We tried to liberate them, even though they never asked for it... Maybe we should try to convince them, through action, that another act of terrorism will spell their end. The baseball bat to the head routine worked with the Japanese--who were no less fanatical--why is it that we are so afraid to use it again?
Sometimes I wish that the Islamists had chosen a nation that was less obsessed with its public image to pick a fight with... then again, they chose wisely. They knew we didn't have the resolve to drop the hammer on them. One day we will. I am sure of it. The problem is that that day will be the day after they give is another 9/11.
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Originally posted by Neubob
Forget "liberation." Make them understand and any more religious arrogance will lead to their complete ending. Women, children, cats and dogs, right along with the fanatics.
Spoken like a true fanatic.
Originally posted by Neubob
Yes, it is cruel and yes, it puts us on their level, but that's the unfortunate level we've allowed ourselves to reach as we've let them dictate the terms of this fight.
You already are. There's nothing they wanted more than for you to prove they were righteous all along.
Originally posted by Neubob
Let every act of terrorism be answered with an act of terrorism.
Yeah, that's the ticket. Become the problem and it goes away. ;)
Originally posted by Neubob
We tried to liberate them, even though they never asked for it...
You don't even see it, do ya?
Originally posted by Neubob
Sometimes I wish that the Islamists had chosen a nation that was less obsessed with its public image to pick a fight with... then again, they chose wisely. They knew we didn't have the resolve to drop the hammer on them. One day we will. I am sure of it. The problem is that that day will be the day after they give is another 9/11.
Well *I* think there's too many enraged would be American terrorists wishing the next one would hurry up and happen. What's taking so long?
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Sorry guys, didn't realize you really were already at meltdown level when I made my suggestions. Carry on.:cool:
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Right on Arlo...
We should just love and hug them into submission.
Continue to drop smart bombs until they realize that allah loves the west too.
Continue to send soldiers into a meat-grinder that is largely supplied and operated by the same 'civilians' that they are there to protect.
One day, they are sure to see the light of day.
All the while, their military leaders have no problem plotting the next mass murder of civilians here in the states, or in europe.
But no, really, friendship and love will win out in the end. It always has, afterall.
Wars end when one side is either killed, or realizes that the only result of persistence is certain death. We have yet to convince them of that. A war of ideology or a war of politics, the chemistry is the same. There is really nothing else to it.
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Your car just has two gears don't it? Floor it through your kitchen or peel out reverse through your bedroom, eh? :D
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My car has plenty of gears, Arlo, so don't pretend to know me, and save your smilies for somebody who likes you. I honestly don't understand how an adult can be anything but extremely unsettled by the current climate--both global and domestic--in respect to this epidemic.
If you think this is just a fad, you're deluded. If you think this is just a few thousand fanatics acting outside the will of the people, you're deluded. If you think you'll win over the hearts and minds of this poor, down-trodden populace by limiting collateral damage and imposing a democracy they never asked for, you're deluded. If you think that they won't deliver a nuclear device into one of our ports as soon as they are physically able, you are deluded.
And if you think that this isn't cause for 'meltdown mode', you're especially deluded. You never underestimate a rival--especially one that numbers almost a billion strong worldwide. You never underestimate a rival that has demonstrated the willingness and ability to strike first and strike hard...
Laugh and post smilies and make little jokes all you want, but the people on the other side of the equation are not treating this lightly. And if this makes me a fanatic... fine. If we had a few fanatics working out side of the picture, maybe the enemy would be a little more hesitant to act as he has been.
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Originally posted by Neubob
I don't think Americans are that apathetic.
I don't really care if we are apathetic or not. It really makes no difference in the end.
As Tom Servo and Crow (MST 3000) said, "England, the land of jug-earred, chinless stomach-eaters....Still, they're not French."
Here is another bigoted joke:
An Englishman, a Welshman and an Arab are sitting in a bar. The Englishman says, "I've got ten children, one more and I'll have a football team." The Welshman says, "I've got fourteen children, one more and I'll have a rugby team." The Arabian says, "I've got seventeen wives, one more and I'll have a golf course."
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Ok, Holden, I guess I owe you an apology for the hijack.
I'm going to bed.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
A Welsh farmer, walking through his field, notices a man drinking out of a pond, using one hand.
The Welsh farmer shouted: 'Paid a yfed a dwr, maer gwerthin wedi Cachu un a for.' Which means: 'Don't drink the water - the cows have s**t in it.'
The man shouts back: 'I'm a Muslim, I don't understand. Please speak English.'
The Welsh farmer says: 'Use two hands, they hold more'!!!
That was as funny as anything I've seen come down the pipe in a while. Thanks for sharing, Holden! :aok
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Originally posted by Neubob
My car has plenty of gears, Arlo, so don't pretend to know me, and save your smilies for somebody who likes you.
Ahhhh ... touched a nerve. But given the meltdown already in progress, there's probably lot's of them already exposed.
Well, here's me making friends and winning over converts. ;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
Ahhhh ... touched a nerve. But given the meltdown already in progress, there's probably lot's of them already exposed.
Well, here's me making friends and winning over converts. ;)
Here's the anatomy of the 'meltdown'.
You make a distinction between the terrorist minority and the passive majority--even though it's the passive majority that provides the minority with the moral foundation they depend on to stay so fanatically dedicated, not to mention well-funded.
Your distinction absolves vast numbers of people of any wrongdoing, even though it is the silent, (and often not so silent) approval of these vast numbers of people, as well as their very vocal world-wide public-relations campaign, that builds sympathy for the fanatics, and creates an air of victimization for the rest of them in the eyes of the Western World--a world that has been castrated by political correctness.
Put simply, Islam is the abusive alcoholic husband, and gentle-minded people that share your politically-friendly view that Islam is a religion of peace are the wife that constantly makes up excuses and blames herself for his actions, all the while proclaiming that deep down inside he is really a good man, and just needs help fixing a few problems.
So while I can just write the abusive husband off as a parasitic waste of humanity, it's the wife that truly frustrates the hell out of me.
The day that the Western world accepts that Islam is at its core a system of indoctrination that lives and thrives off of intolerance, intimidation, backwards thinking, aggressive expansion and wholesale social oppression is the day that the tide turns. Thanks to the prevalence of this heartwarming, yet naive faith in its decency, that day is far off.
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Originally posted by Neubob
Here's the anatomy of the 'meltdown'.
If by "anatomy of" you meant "rationalization for" .. you bet. The actual terrorists rationalize why they're justified to hate everyone but themselves, as well. :D
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You don't win wars by fighting just the combatants. You win wars by convincing the infrastructure that supports those combatants, morally or materially, that any further action on their part will lead to total annihilation... This was true with the Japanese...This is especially true with a group as bent on imposing their beliefs on 'infidels' as the Muslims.
Oddly enough, while the Islamic leaders have understood this concept, and mastered this theory, people like you are still out there advocating the kinder, gentler war to win over the populace. The populace has already been won over. They love Allah. They don't love you. They don't want your way of life. They want your obedience... So far they have your sympathy.
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I have a suspicion that the original joke was different by one word:
A Welsh farmer, walking through his field, notices a man drinking out of a pond, using one hand.
The Welsh farmer shouted: 'Paid a yfed a dwr, maer gwerthin wedi Cachu un a for.' Which means: 'Don't drink the water - the cows have s**t in it.'
The man shouts back: 'I'm English, I don't understand. Please speak English.'
The Welsh farmer says: 'Use two hands, they hold more'!!!
A far more likely version, the Muslim version doesn't ring true. Making jokes about the 'auld' enemy is a long tradition in the British isles. Particularly at the expense of the English.
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Originally posted by Neubob
This was true with the Japanese...This is especially true with a group as bent on imposing their beliefs on 'infidels' as the Muslims.
Firstly, that's not even a rational correlation. Secondly, even it if was, only after we nuked them. And it took 2. So it doesn't even support your rationalization then. Like I told you guys before ... it's ok to be angry .... just don't let it override reason. People "like me" (if you knew) aren't talking "huggy-kiss the enemy", sweetie, we're talking "cooler heads." Those are the kind that prevail. Sinking to the terrorist "standard" because you think they got it "right" is not the voice of reason. Why you expect me to think it is because of *your* anger and frustration is ... well ... just as unreasonable. :D
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Originally posted by cpxxx
I have a suspicion that the original joke was different by one word:
A Welsh farmer, walking through his field, notices a man drinking out of a pond, using one hand.
The Welsh farmer shouted: 'Paid a yfed a dwr, maer gwerthin wedi Cachu un a for.' Which means: 'Don't drink the water - the cows have s**t in it.'
The man shouts back: 'I'm English, I don't understand. Please speak English.'
The Welsh farmer says: 'Use two hands, they hold more'!!!
A far more likely version, the Muslim version doesn't ring true. Making jokes about the 'auld' enemy is a long tradition in the British isles. Particularly at the expense of the English.
And changing jokes to exhibit our own prejudices seldom works. I agree. :D
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Ok, Arlo, let's try it this way...
Instead of discussing who's irrational, let me propose a hypothetical:
Let's say that you, Arlo, are in charge of this nation's resources. More powerful and autonomous than the president, you can pretty much cause anything to happen, within the limitations of this country's financial and military capacity, with just a word.
Now you're stuck in the same situaiton we're in right now. How do you handle it?
Tell me yours and I'll tell you mine (and it doesn't include a nuke).
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Originally posted by Arlo
Like I told you guys before ... it's ok to be angry .... just don't let it override reason. People "like me" (if you knew) aren't talking "huggy-kiss the enemy", sweetie, we're talking "cooler heads." Those are the kind that prevail.
But, the opponent in this case has shown absolutely no inkling of having a "cooler head" that could prevail. Quite the contrary, they have shown every indication of a completely irrational hatred of you and everything you stand for.
Assuming you can "reason" with someone with a mentality of that sort is irrational if not delusional.
If you could keep such people at an arms distance and prevent them from harming you, that is one thing. I am not sure that is possible. So the only alternative is to get him before he gets you.
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Originally posted by Neubob
Ok, Arlo, let's try it this way...
Instead of discussing who's irrational, let me propose a hypothetical:
Let's say that you, Arlo, are in charge of this nation's resources. More powerful and autonomous than the president, you can pretty much cause anything to happen, within the limitations of this country's financial and military capacity, with just a word.
Now you're stuck in the same situaiton we're in right now. How do you handle it?
Tell me yours and I'll tell you mine (and it doesn't include a nuke).
Effective problem solving does *not* come from assuming you have all the answers and working from there. It comes from eliminating the wrong ones and going from there. So, I can tell you what I wouldn't do and if we can go from there ... that is, if you're really interested and don't still have your mind made up:
To deal with the problem you identify the problem. Not everything that looks like the problem, sounds like the problem, lives where the problem lives, worships the way the problem does, dresses like the problem .... the problem. Just the problem.
Optionally you can determine how it became a problem but that comes when you want to avoid the same problem later. You seperate the problem from what isn't the problem. Drive a wedge, if you will. Giving the entire religion of Islam a reason to not support your cause is *not* ... repeat ... *not* wise. Giving them a reason to help fight it is. Alienating, threatening and subjugating Middle Eastern people (this includes Jews btw) has never historically worked. Study history. Learn not to repeat what doesn't work and focus on repeating what does. If nothing ever has, work on a better plan.
With me so far? Whether you agree or not? :D
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Originally posted by E25280
But, the opponent in this case has shown absolutely no inkling of having a "cooler head" that could prevail. Quite the contrary, they have shown every indication of a completely irrational hatred of you and everything you stand for.
Assuming you can "reason" with someone with a mentality of that sort is irrational if not delusional.
If you could keep such people at an arms distance and prevent them from harming you, that is one thing. I am not sure that is possible. So the only alternative is to get him before he gets you.
Are you confusing "Muslim" with "terrorist?" Cause if you're not then you aren't part of the problem I'm talking about. :)
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Originally posted by Arlo
Effective problem solving does *not* come from assuming you have all the answers and working from there. It comes from eliminating the wrong ones and going from there. So, I can tell you what I wouldn't do and if we can go from there ... that is, if you're really interested and don't still have your mind made up:
To deal with the problem you identify the problem. Not everything that looks like the problem, sounds like the problem, lives where the problem lives, worships the way the problem does, dresses like the problem .... the problem. Just the problem.
Optionally you can determine how it became a problem but that comes when you want to avoid the same problem later. You seperate the problem from what isn't the problem. Drive a wedge, if you will. Giving the entire religion of Islam a reason to not support your cause is *not* ... repeat ... *not* wise. Giving them a reason to help fight it is. Alienating, threatening and subjugating Middle Eastern people (this includes Jews btw) has never historically worked. Study history. Learn not to repeat what doesn't work and focus on repeating what does. If nothing ever has, work on a better plan.
With me so far? Whether you agree or not? :D
My concern in regards your approach is that is that this wedge you want to drive may well end up between a large group of non-combatant people and their very strict belief system. And this isn't just middle eastern in nature, as Muslims, both radical and moderate, are found everywhere today, and have found reason, everywhere today, to be furious. How you can drive a wedge between the people and this fury be it located in Afghanistan or Hoboken, I don't have the foggiest clue. I just don't know how you can undue hundreds of years of social conditioning, but I suspect that a few years of even the friendliest, kindest attempts at civility will not be enough.
Gain their support... Appeal to their humanity? That's a wonderful concept. Then again, without the west's thirst for petroleum, that entire region, with the exception of Israel, perhaps, would still be largely devoid of any signs of the modern world. Oil has brought prosperity there, and goodwill should technically exist, but paradoxically, the region's biggest customer--the US--still remains hated. Yes, we do many things besides buy their oil, but buy it we do. A civilization that can so clearly attribute so much to a single source and yet continue to have such vehement contempt for that source just defies reason in my mind.
As far as subjugating, alienating and threatening... no, that is not what I would do. It does not work, and eats up too much effort and resource to even attempt. If anything, I would try to be less and less involved--but there again is the problem of Israel. Pull out of there and not only have we abandoned our only real ally in the region, but we've also appeased the worst of the worst elements there.
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I like the turn our conversation is taking. At least there's dialog and some exchange of ideas.
I'm not advocating placating the terrorist. The terrorists are fanatics. I'm advocating not alienating the entire region which only leads to exactly what you're complaining about.
Not enough of the local population being willing to side with us against the terrorists. Too much of the population either apathetic about what the terrorists and insurgents are doing (to their own country as well as our men in uniform) or angered about how we're ineffectively (even counterproductively) handling the situation. It cannot all be blamed on them. Doing so just reflects a lazy and/or stubbornly prideful attitude that has nothing to be proud about and leaves no room to kick back and beech.
Yes, it does still involve winning the hearts and minds of the locals. Giving up on that, entirely, and becoming wreckless in the way we refuse to respect their culture (and equating everything about their culture as the source of terrorism) because we feel put upon, being unwilling to acknowledge our own part in the relational mess with the locals and further unwilling to redress the situation is destructive to *our own* cause as much as it is to the regional stability.
And no, Muslims everywhere are not rising up ... at least not yet. The majority doesn't support terrorism. Come visit my office (probably at least 40% of 800 people). But you seem to *want* to believe that. And finding an excuse to hate them all isn't unusual. Nazis did that to Jews. Jews to Christians. Christians to Jews, as well. Christians to Muslims, once already. I all worked really well before. ;)
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How can you respect somebody that doesn't respect you?
Did you read the article about the Muslim cemetery about to evict the already 350,000 buried people in London? It is but one example of the utter arrogance this religion is showing to the rest of the world. These are not fanatics. These are ordinary everyday people--probably much like those who work in your office--who think that the world owes them sympathy and privileges they do not afford the rest of us. This is the very definition of rising up. The gradual taking of inch after inch, with only increased anger and impatience with every obstacle they encounter.
And we're just supposed to sit back and be tolerant and empathetic because historically, resistance is met with bad results? Yes, the Jews had their fanatical period, thousands of years ago. The Christians at the beginning of the last millennium... Now it's the Muslims' turn--only today things happen faster, and with more severity. Weapons are more powerful. Populations greater--and their beliefs are as archaic and medieval as ever.
My first step would be to end this appeasement. They want a cemetery? Too bad. Make due with what you have. They get mad because of some depictions of Mohummad in a comic strip? Too bad. Being made fun of is part of modern existence. They want to riot over it? Use the hoses and the tear gas as you would to any other group of unruly protesters... Do not coddle them, because doing so is no different than silencing an overweight toddler with more icecream.
As far as making them allies... Just as difficult and worthwhile as it would be to try to subjugate them. They either play by the rules of the modern world, the modern society, or they get left behind. No more positive reinforcement of their whining, their complaining, their veiled threats--tendencies exhibited by most Muslims I've had the pleasure of speaking to, not just their Ak-toting cousins..
The next step would be to stop buying their oil. Buy it from Russia. Spend a trillion or so on new technology, and infrastructure to support it. Any way we can, and as quickly as possible. It's long overdue and worthwhile for reasons beyond the political...Cut the flow of Western money to Muslim countries down to a trickle, and then end it all-together. They've proven that they are not innovators. Not industrialists in the true sense of the word. They pump and sell, and spend and spend, and preach and preach. Pull the rug out from under this, and send their gleaming hubris back into the sand... If they complain about this, ignore them. If they start with the terrorism... Kill them.
I do not advocate genocide here. I simply advocate the end to all encouragement, both moral and financial. The Muslim world has done very little positive for us. They sell what comes out of their land. Beyond that, their value to the modern world is limited by their own archaic values. We do not pretend to like what they preach, so stop encouraging it.
Too many worthwhile people, ideas and policies are being compromised for the sake of treating this barbaric culture with the gentle, nurturing touch of political correctness. It is neither efficient nor rational. It is done out of fear and guilt, and it is time it ends.
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
They've already changed my way of life and in that they have won. Do you think that for one second that the fact that there have been no attacks since 9/11 is an accident?
Madrid ?
London ?
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Originally posted by Neubob
How can you respect somebody that doesn't respect you?
(Followed by generalizations, individual incidents portrayed as reflective of the whole and rationalization to disrespect an entire culture or religion)
Respect starts with self. If you ain't got that then you don't have the tools required to respect anyone else. If you find an individual who expresses disrespect toward you and makes it evident, that's one thing. If you see an example of an individual or even a subset of a group that displays disrespect to another or subset and you decide that exuses your disrespecting the religion they misrepresent then that's all it is ... an excuse. So if it's all about respect, then represent. Example, please.
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Originally posted by straffo
Madrid ?
London ?
fair point... I stand corrected
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I asked you to come up with a solution to the conflict--if you had the power to do something, and thus far, all you've said was that we have to respect them. You then went on to accuse me of generalizing.
Well you know what, I think you're the one who generalizes. You generalize on the concept that all cultures deserve respect. You generalize on the concept that the value systems of aggressively-growing, self-defining groups of people cannot be detrimental to the overall well-being of humanity. You generalize that Islam is good, and that its existence and growth is not a threat--as any broad group of people cannot be--even though I have yet to seen one Christian or Jewish mob running around calling for the beheading of non-christians or Jews. In fact, I'm having trouble finding the smoking gun that is responsible for putting Islam into such a state of over-sensitivity. And oversensitive they are. Maybe not all of them, but enough of them to make me question the need to respect any of their values.
If you doubt me, just go ahead and publish some caricatures of their prophet in a european paper, along with your address. In fact, give me your paypal account and I'll give you $100 if you pull it off, regardless of the results... Scout's honor.
In the meantime you've offered no other solutions. You've read what I wrote and then wrote it off--even though beyond my generalizations, I outlined what most rational people would consider a healthy policy, both for the US as well as for the world as a whole.
But go ahead and continue to respect them. Get down on your knees and respect their history, their contributions to society, their enlightenment, their treatment of other religions, their technological and social innovations. Respect them until you're blue in the face.
In the meantime, I'll be waiting for your paypal account and proof that you published a funny drawing of a Muslim.
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Just returned from several flights between countries.
Maybe you should play some muslim jokes on the airbase speakers, - those who get angry and start shouting should not board :D
Anyway, - seriously, you have only the muslim-related guys terrorizing the flightpaths as it is. Makes you think of them every time you board.
Makes me feel sorry for the majority of muslims that are just fine folks.
Makes me wonder though why this did catch up that way, - why not HINDU terrorists blowing up passenger aircraft in Pakistan, or CHRISTIAN terrorists blowing up airliners on the pilgrim flights to Mecca!!!
It seems to be the Muslims vs the world that way. Just like the hint of the old commies, - the goal was universal communism.
We never learn from history, - and the so called "muslim" terrorists have done a great mischief to the world. The main result is misery and a backfire....
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Originally posted by Neubob
I asked you to come up with a solution to the conflict--if you had the power to do something, and thus far, all you've said was that we have to respect them. You then went on to accuse me of generalizing.
Well you know what, I think you're the one who generalizes. You generalize on the concept that all cultures deserve respect. You generalize on the concept that the value systems of aggressively-growing, self-defining groups of people cannot be detrimental to the overall well-being of humanity. You generalize that Islam is good, and that its existence and growth is not a threat--as any broad group of people cannot be--even though I have yet to seen one Christian or Jewish mob running around calling for the beheading of non-christians or Jews. In fact, I'm having trouble finding the smoking gun that is responsible for putting Islam into such a state of over-sensitivity. And oversensitive they are. Maybe not all of them, but enough of them to make me question the need to respect any of their values.
If you doubt me, just go ahead and publish some caricatures of their prophet in a european paper, along with your address. In fact, give me your paypal account and I'll give you $100 if you pull it off, regardless of the results... Scout's honor.
In the meantime you've offered no other solutions. You've read what I wrote and then wrote it off--even though beyond my generalizations, I outlined what most rational people would consider a healthy policy, both for the US as well as for the world as a whole.
But go ahead and continue to respect them. Get down on your knees and respect their history, their contributions to society, their enlightenment, their treatment of other religions, their technological and social innovations. Respect them until you're blue in the face.
In the meantime, I'll be waiting for your paypal account and proof that you published a funny drawing of a Muslim.
Speaking of solutions, how is rationalizing your hate for Islam one? As much as you want to turn that around as further justification/rationalization, you haven't proven it's anything other than your excuse for doing so. :)
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My desire to see the end of our economic support of Islam has nothing to do with hatred. It's strictly practical. My desire to see our dependance on their oil come to an end has nothing to do with hatred. It's strictly practical. My unwillingness to afford them any more respect than they have afforded us has nothing to do with hatred. It's strictly practical.
Hatred is personal, irrational, and needs no justification. Whatever hatred I had I put away for the purpose of having a dialog with you.
Since you're not really participating in this dialog, or near-dialog, I'm just gonna go ahead and call it quits. If you decide to answer any of my questions with anything besides more questions, or present some ideas beyond analyzing the nature of my anger, I'll be more than willing to try again.
Have a nice day.
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Originally posted by Neubob
My desire to see the end of our economic support of Islam has nothing to do with hatred. It's strictly practical.
Economic support of Islam? How many spins you got on this? It just goes on and on.* (Though I do appreciate setting aside the rage declaration that was both the start and point of my exchange with you.)
*Please, tell me this is just a Colbert style satire thingie. :D
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By asking that question, are you implying that the nations we pay for our oil are secular? Are you implying that ALL the functions and organs of their religion are not directly benefiting from the wealth we transfer to these nations in exchange for our oil?
Wait! I know what it must be! You're implying that buying trillions of dollars of goods from them and making their nations rich in no way filters down to all levels of Muslim society, from the non-violent to the violent!
You really really believe in absolving everyone who is not physically holding a gun to your head, don't you?
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Originally posted by Neubob
By asking that question, are you implying that the nations we pay for our oil are secular? Are you implying that ALL the functions and organs of their religion are not directly benefiting from the wealth we transfer to these nations in exchange for our oil?
Wait! I know what it must be! You're implying that buying trillions of dollars of goods from them and making their nations rich in no way filters down to all levels of Muslim society, from the non-violent to the violent!
You really really believe in absolving everyone who is not physically holding a gun to your head, don't you?
I thought you were done arguing because I won't accept that it's not valid rationalization for you to hate the religion of Islam, as you started down this road proclaiming and you're still working hard on rationalizing. :)
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This is getting old, Arlo... Either talk about the issue or just stop talking, okay?
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Originally posted by Neubob
This is getting old, Arlo... Either talk about the issue or just stop talking, okay?
I never veered from the issue. You were the one done because you wanted me to and I didn't. ;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
I never veered from the issue. You were the one done because you wanted me to and I didn't. ;)
Sure you did. The issue was humor.
Did you hear about the Muslim strip club? It features full facial nudity!
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What does the sign say above the nursery in a Palestinian maternity ward?
"Live ammunition."
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Sure you did. The issue was humor.
Did you hear about the Muslim strip club? It features full facial nudity!
It's only humor if it's funny and sometimes it's only funny if you want it to be really really badly. ;)
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Hey Arlo, did you hear about the Muslim maternity ward?
Only men are allowed!
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Originally posted by Neubob
Hey Arlo, did you hear about the Muslim maternity ward?
Only men are allowed!
Case in point. ^ :aok
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Come on Arlo, just some inane jabs at stereotyped Muslim values.
It's really nothing worth blowing yourself up over.
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Originally posted by Neubob
Come on Arlo, just some inane jabs at stereotyped Muslim values.
It's really nothing worth blowing yourself up over.
Snide insinuation aside, I haven't. So, what religion, race and cult-ural heritage spawned you Bob? :D
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I was spawned in Moscow, Russia, to Jewish parents and raised from early pupal stage in the states, in a secular home.
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Originally posted by Neubob
I was spawned in Moscow, Russia, to Jewish parents and raised from early pupal stage in the states, in a secular home.
Watch out or I'll start telling pupal jokes at your expense. :D
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Nobody ever gives us Pupas a break.
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Originally posted by Neubob
Nobody ever gives us Pupas a break.
Baby birds gotta eat too. And boy can they put you pupas away. :p