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Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Rich46yo on October 09, 2007, 09:49:32 AM
I wonder what the purpose is of needing such long times to calibrate a bombers bombsight? Heres the scenario, your coming into a target and calibrate in plenty of time. However your in need of a course change, which changes your speed and causes a need for recalibration. So now you have to wait for your speed to come back up, or, play with the rpm to level it, and then you have to spend all that time in bombsight recalibrating. At least a minute to get perfect calibration to hit a hangar sized target.

                          And the faster the bomber the worse it gets. In the AR-234 sometimes you have to spend your entire bomb run calibrating. I had 3 of them shot down last night cause I was in the bombsight trying to recalibrate and never saw the bogey coming down on me.

                        And I dont much care about that. Its just a cartoon game and I have plenty of perk points. But whats the point of needing to calibrate so much? Why not write the program to calibrate perfectly after 5 seconds?
Title: Re: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: TUXC on October 09, 2007, 10:06:43 AM
Interesting. While I don't fly bombers much these days, I'm usually good to go with a 15sec calibration, even in a Ar234 doing ~400mph. Usually getting my speed relatively stable takes longer than calibrating. Maybe try going to the TA and checking to see if there's any offset between the green training crosshairs and your bombsight? If there's a consistent offset, then just compensate for it by dropping slightly early or late, or adjust your speed a couple mph above or below calibrated airspeed so you'll always drop on target. One of the dedicated bomber pilots on here can probably answer this better.

If you have to change course, perhaps try doing the course change from the bombardiers position. It will take longer to adjust course, but it won't throw off your calibration.

If anything, I've always thought the current calibration is a little on the easy side since it allows for precision bombing small targets like AA guns and radar towers from high alt.

Edit: Changing it back to the old style calibration might not be the best solution, since it would require a lot of skill and may frustrate newer players. A possible change that I just thought of could be a variable error that would depend on how long you calibrate for. 15sec calibration and your bombs would hit a town size target, 30sec and you could hit within a certain group of buildings in a town, 45sec for a hanger size targets, and 1min to precision bomb the smallest targets like vehicles. The amount of error could be displayed as a +/- value in the calibrated speed and altitude values. The errors would get smaller the longer you held down the y key for. This method would not require much more skill than the current method, but would necessitate patience and good planning for hitting small targets.
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Rich46yo on October 09, 2007, 10:33:36 AM
Changing direction from the bombsight position also creates roll, which also changes speed. None of this makes hitting a target impossible, what it does is require a bomber stick to spend way to much time in the bomb sight.

                              Yeah sure you can request a gunner. But gunners dont always come and how many guys like to take on a gunner they dont even know?

                             Its easy to bomb with the offset "X" in the TA because you have an X to offset. But in any other arena you dont have that X so if your not calibrated perfectly then your just guessing.

                           In my bombers any calibration of less then one minute is pretty much useless and is more likely to make you worse off them better.
Title: Re: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Lusche on October 09, 2007, 10:42:23 AM
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
I wonder what the purpose is of needing such long times to calibrate a bombers bombsight? Heres the scenario, your coming into a target and calibrate in plenty of time. However your in need of a course change, which changes your speed and causes a need for recalibration. So now you have to wait for your speed to come back up, or, play with the rpm to level it, and then you have to spend all that time in bombsight recalibrating. At least a minute to get perfect calibration to hit a hangar sized target.

                          And the faster the bomber the worse it gets. In the AR-234 sometimes you have to spend your entire bomb run calibrating. I had 3 of them shot down last night cause I was in the bombsight trying to recalibrate and never saw the bogey coming down on me.

                        And I dont much care about that. Its just a cartoon game and I have plenty of perk points. But whats the point of needing to calibrate so much? Why not write the program to calibrate perfectly after 5 seconds?


Our current calibration system is almost as easy as it could be. Arguably the most "unrealistic" feature we have in game. Perfectly calibration by pressing a single button for 10 seconds, no wind, even altitude recalibration within a split-second (by just entering & leavin calibration mode).

I do not see ANY reason to further reduing the requirements to hit a single target right on point but the desire to make the game even easier.

Heck, even the old calibration system (changed a few years ago but often still activated in AvA & SEA) with it's requirement of tracking a point on the landscape was unrealistically precise.
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Scca on October 09, 2007, 11:06:48 AM
Since your forum id isn't your gamid, I can't see your bomber scores, but I suspect you are in need of some training time.  I don't fly bombers often, but I can say that I never calibrate for more than 30 seconds, and can destroy hangers on salvo one 99% of the time.

The key I found is being level, doors open and speed stable before the dar circle.  Not going full speed helps..
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Tiger on October 09, 2007, 11:29:15 AM
I say being back the old calibration, and add wind back in too.

Current bomb calibration is too easy.
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Lusche on October 09, 2007, 12:03:36 PM
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Originally posted by Scca
Since your forum id isn't your gamid


Psssst... it's hidden in his sig line ;)
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Scca on October 09, 2007, 12:28:22 PM
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Originally posted by Lusche
Psssst... it's hidden in his sig line ;)
(smacks head) DOH!
You a sly dog Lusche.....a sly dog....
Tx
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Lusche on October 09, 2007, 12:38:27 PM
woof-woof
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Rich46yo on October 09, 2007, 01:16:42 PM
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Originally posted by Scca
Since your forum id isn't your gamid, I can't see your bomber scores, but I suspect you are in need of some training time.  I don't fly bombers often, but I can say that I never calibrate for more than 30 seconds, and can destroy hangers on salvo one 99% of the time.

The key I found is being level, doors open and speed stable before the dar circle.  Not going full speed helps..


                         Theres always one isn't there?

                          My game ID is in my signature. I'd rather be lousy at calibration then to not be able to be able to read a signature. Maybe you need TA time in both bombers and signature reading.

                         And if you dont fly bombers then why are you even here posting?

                         Calibrating for 10 seconds is pretty worthless. But I spend countless hours a month in bombers so what would I know?

                      This is a wishlist forum room guys. This is the kind of thing were supposed to post here. Allowing for quicker calibration times takes nothing away from the game nor does it give any edge to bomber sticks Frankly If you need a bomber stick to be in a bombsight in order to shoot them down then you need serious TA time in fighters.

                    And while Im at it why does AH even have a wishlist forum room if anyone who does any "wishing" is pounced on by the various Red Barons as "complaining"?

                    Thats all I was doing guys, was asking for quicker calibration times.
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: TUXC on October 09, 2007, 02:08:45 PM
bombrich,

Please relax. You asked to not have to calibrate for a minute to hit your targets, and when some people who have been playing the game longer than you have offered some advice so that you could hit targets after only 10-20sec of calibration you gave them attitude in return. Just because someone doesn't fly only bombers in the game doesn't mean they don't know how to operate them. The topic of this thread was bombsight calibration and it has stayed on that topic. No "Red Barons," as you call them, have hijacked your thread and whined about bombers being too tough or having uber laser-rocket guns. A few people simply said that calibration seems a little too easy in the game, and once you've mastered it I'm sure you'll agree.

I understand that you are really into flying bombers, and that's cool. But please try to not get so worked up whenever you think a fighter dweeb is complaining about bombers in the game. From looking at your scores it seems like you have almost no time in fighters since you started playing. It might be worthwhile for you to become proficient in fighters to see for yourself what it's like to intercept bombers from the other side. This could also give you some new ideas for anti-fighter tactics in bombers. The learning curve is much steeper for fighters than it is for bombers, which can be very frustrating at times, but there are many people in the game who are willing to help.

-tuxc123
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Scca on October 09, 2007, 02:14:31 PM
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
Theres always one isn't there?

                          My game ID is in my signature. I'd rather be lousy at calibration then to not be able to be able to read a signature. Maybe you need TA time in both bombers and signature reading.

                         And if you dont fly bombers then why are you even here posting?

                         Calibrating for 10 seconds is pretty worthless. But I spend countless hours a month in bombers so what would I know?

                      This is a wishlist forum room guys. This is the kind of thing were supposed to post here. Allowing for quicker calibration times takes nothing away from the game nor does it give any edge to bomber sticks Frankly If you need a bomber stick to be in a bombsight in order to shoot them down then you need serious TA time in fighters.

                    And while Im at it why does AH even have a wishlist forum room if anyone who does any "wishing" is pounced on by the various Red Barons as "complaining"?

                    Thats all I was doing guys, was asking for quicker calibration times.
Actually, I was trying to help you overcome what seems to be an issue few others seem to have.  As a matter of fact, most people feel bombing is a no brainer that should be made more difficult if anything.  It wasn't a flame.  

If you would re-read what I wrote, I said I don't fly bombers often (perhaps it's off to the remedial English TA for you ;) )

Seriously, if they made level bombing any simpler than it is, it wouldn't be worth having.  As I said, I can drop hanger from 15K with salvo 1, no problem.  Lusche doesn’t do bad either, and he says he calibrates for 10 seconds.  

With exception, there is no problem with putting things on the "wishlist".  Just realize, if you ask for something like this, you may get dissenting opinions, and as in my case, a suggestion on how to overcome what challenges you.

Regarding your personal attack because I missed your cryptic gaimid disclosure, I suggest you reconsider how you address people that are attempting to assist you.
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Rich46yo on October 09, 2007, 04:34:14 PM
I didnt ask for assistance tho did I?

                         The game is a "no brainer" for that matter. Flying a cartoon fighter is a "no brainer" tho some of you guys think your Baron Von Brownpants in his Albatros D-lll. None of this requires a Harvard trained rocket scientist. And why would anyone care if I asked for a faster calibration time? What does it matter? And why would anyone dissent? Who cares??

                       And you can probably tell this isnt the first time Ive posted a "wish" in the wishlist forum and gotten a bunch of condescending horse crap.

                      Dude you could wish for anything and I wouldnt care. Go ahead, wish away. This is a "wishlist forum" and as far as Im concerned you can wish for anything you want.

                    I dont like flying fighters. I like flying bombers, and as far as I can see any idiot could fly a fighter. "learning curve is much steeper"?:rofl

                    Another thread hijacked and ruined.
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Lusche on October 09, 2007, 04:52:18 PM
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
I didnt ask for assistance tho did I?

                         The game is a "no brainer" for that matter. Flying a cartoon fighter is a "no brainer" tho some of you guys think your Baron Von Brownpants in his Albatros D-lll. None of this requires a Harvard trained rocket scientist. And why would anyone care if I asked for a faster calibration time? What does it matter? And why would anyone dissent? Who cares??

                       And you can probably tell this isnt the first time Ive posted a "wish" in the wishlist forum and gotten a bunch of condescending horse crap.

                      Dude you could wish for anything and I wouldnt care. Go ahead, wish away. This is a "wishlist forum" and as far as Im concerned you can wish for anything you want.

                    I dont like flying fighters. I like flying bombers, and as far as I can see any idiot could fly a fighter. "learning curve is much steeper"?:rofl

                    Another thread hijacked and ruined.



Sorry, but you REALLY have to check your attitude. Many a posting of yours has caused some sort of raised eyebrows on my side.

You are very sensitive to even slight dissenting opinions. Every time someone seems not to agree with you you,  you are acting as if there was some kind of personal attack. Many a thread in the past was actually ruined by a rather rude attitude of yours, and often your overly "serious" approach let you miss even harmless tonge-in-cheek jokes.
You should consider both posting as well as reading other peoples post more lighthearted.  People have different opinons, sometimes wrong, sometimes right. You also have to accept that you are still pretty new at this game, and many people have opinions resulting from years of experience and, plain said: much more knowledge than you have yet.

 Your currently attitude is rather appropriate for a 14yo "know-it-all-after-two-weeks".
Step down a bit. Relax. Accept dissenting opinions. Be a bit less arrogant. You will gain alot of respect and will have  alot more fun this way. :aok

Now back to our scheduled program...
Title: bombing
Post by: comet61 on October 09, 2007, 06:42:40 PM
I usually calibrate between 2-9 seconds...then wait for the crosshair to just pass the target. I usually hit/destroy 9 out of 10 times if not more. The 234 is no different, however, in most bombers bringing down the manifold  a couple of notches does help accuracy.


Rich...I must agree with the others....you need to relax and take things with a grain of salt.
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: thndregg on October 09, 2007, 09:04:54 PM
Not to sidestep the point, but I do wish the old calibration method (that was killed over three years ago) was back in use. Current method still is too simple.
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: SAS_KID on October 09, 2007, 10:18:31 PM
The current calibration method is way to easy... If I even miss a radar at 30k then I must of fallen asleep on the stick. But currently it is real easy to bomb from extreme altitudes and hit with pinpoint accuracy. Making it even easier to drop a bomb would just make it even possible for a 6 year old to bomb. Although 12 year olds can do it with ease already.
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Ghosth on October 10, 2007, 06:12:47 AM
Rich, LISTEN to Lusche, he is Old and Wise in the ways of the force.

No one is lording it over you, no one is being condescending, yet you react as if we are. Your picking on the guys who are trying to help is going to have bad results down the line. You already have me asking myself "why bother helping this guy".

And before you put down anyone flying a fighter lets see you fly one for a tour.
Its NOT as easy as it looks, as a matter of fact its much harder than bombing.

As for the help you say you ask for, yet dislike accepting when tis offered.

Instead of calibrating so long, make sure speed is stable BEFORE you calibrate.
Then 10 seconds and a slight speed adjustment should put you right on target.
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Scca on October 10, 2007, 07:19:20 AM
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Originally posted by Ghosth
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As for the help you say you ask for, yet dislike accepting when tis offered.
I think that's the point here Ghosth.  He didn't ask for help, he just posted something on the wishlist and expected no comments would follow despite the fact his wish was already something so simplistic a dog could do it successfully.

It's the mark of a child, everyone should let him be.  One day, after hair is growing under his arms he will look back and see the error of his ways.  

Bombrich, practice saying "Would you like fry’s with that?".  With your current attitude, it will be phrase you will be using the rest of your life.

For now, all I can say is .squelch bombrich
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: The Fugitive on October 10, 2007, 07:46:42 AM
Rich, nobody is trying to give you a hard time, its the opposite, they are trying to help!

In my case, I only have an hour and a half in bombers this camp, but my hit percentage is over 500%. I NEVER calibrate more than 10 seconds.  I hit towns and VHs, but I'll hit a strat if its on the way  :)

So by your post its seems more likely that your having trouble hitting what your aiming for because, as this lowly fighter jock shows, I can hit pretty hard with quick calibrations from 12k. Thats what most of these other guys are saying too. They just want to help, if by helping to figure where your having trouble, you can increase the fun your having by hitting that much better.
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: WMLute on October 10, 2007, 08:11:53 AM
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
I dont like flying fighters. I like flying bombers, and as far as I can see any idiot could fly a fighter. "learning curve is much steeper"?:rofl


bombrich, I can train a chimp to level bomb with high accuracy the way HTC has it set now.

Flying bombers and driving GV's are two incredibly easy things to learn how to do in AcesHigh. Their simplicity is one of the reasons you find many new players (such as yourself) flying bombers and driving tanks. (my opinion is this is how HiTech wants it, as bombers and ground vehicles are merely sideshows to the "point" of this game which is Aerial Combat)

Learning and becoming proficient at Aerial Combat takes years and untold hours of practice and dedication.

The reason you are hearing so many dissenting opinions to your 'wish' is you are asking HTC to take something quite simple and easy to do/learn and make it even easier.

For me anyway, 1/2 the fun of this game is how long it takes to get "good" at it. If learning to fly/fight was easy, it wouldn't be near as much "fun"
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Murdr on October 10, 2007, 08:36:31 AM
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
And why would anyone care if I asked for a faster calibration time? What does it matter? And why would anyone dissent? Who cares??
Because it is an issue that affects overall arena play.  The level of difficulty required to destroy targets from alt has been adjusted a number of times over the years for that reason.  It has also been adjusted with consideration to being easy enough for new players to catch on to.  We know what it's like with little or no prep time/effort/knowledge for accurate level bombing because it's already been done.  The current MA conditions are actually already dumbed down in that regard.

Lusche has saved me the trouble of further comments.
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Solar10 on October 10, 2007, 01:13:58 PM
Am I ever glad Rich went Rook!
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Tilt on October 10, 2007, 02:54:07 PM
Calibration is just so simple and accurate (particularly when referenced to the E6B) that there is absolutely no need to make it easier.

If your calibrated air speed matches the E6B thru the point of release all you had to do is recalibrate to set your height a count of 5-8 will often do this without giving a false air speed.
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Rich46yo on October 10, 2007, 04:56:54 PM
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Originally posted by Lusche
Sorry, but you REALLY have to check your attitude. Many a posting of yours has caused some sort of raised eyebrows on my side.

You are very sensitive to even slight dissenting opinions. Every time someone seems not to agree with you you,  you are acting as if there was some kind of personal attack. Many a thread in the past was actually ruined by a rather rude attitude of yours, and often your overly "serious" approach let you miss even harmless tonge-in-cheek jokes.
You should consider both posting as well as reading other peoples post more lighthearted.  People have different opinions, sometimes wrong, sometimes right. You also have to accept that you are still pretty new at this game, and many people have opinions resulting from years of experience and, plain said: much more knowledge than you have yet.

 Your currently attitude is rather appropriate for a 14yo "know-it-all-after-two-weeks".
Step down a bit. Relax. Accept dissenting opinions. Be a bit less arrogant. You will gain alot of respect and will have  alot more fun this way. :aok

Now back to our scheduled program...


                      Lusche I'll reply to you since Ive always respected you.

                      Remind me of the threads Ive ruined cause I cant seem to recall any of them. Ive always been respectful of others tho im fairly short with rude fools. Im not talking of any of one of you fighter flying chimps btw. I actually have a rather dim-witted German Shepard, no offense Lusche, that I taught to fly a fighter in short order. If it makes you feel any better hes only 3/4 German and 1/4 Bulgarian. "The arrogance comes from his German side tho". BTW he's 14yo.

                    I guess I should have directed my comments to Scca by name then all of you wouldnt have jumped in. Naww you would have anyway. Maybe he just needs training time and after checking his scores Im sure of it. "just kidding dude".

                  C'mon guys. It was a simple post in the wishlist forum.

                  Maybe it was just misunderstanding from the vagaries of the printed word? For my part I will apologize if I offended anyone. Im just a very direct person and it comes out harder in print then it does in real life.

                If anyone says their intent was to help then I'll believe it and Im sorry for turning the flames up in the oven. Scca thank you for wanting to help. It was not my intent to turn the thread into a flame war.

             You gotta admit tho, "Baron Von Brownpants" was a good one wasnt it?:lol
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Solar10 on October 10, 2007, 05:43:45 PM
I think those that you call "fighter chimps" find it easier to get a calibration and hit targets than you, and see no need for a change to an already simplistic calibration method.  I would agree with them and indeed call for the old method to be brought back.

So just as you wish, others wish not!  That's the way it goes in this forum.
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Tilt on October 10, 2007, 06:19:41 PM
You dont even need the speed stable for any longer than it takes to pass the cross hairs over target.

1) in the bomb sight call up E6b and enlarge and position so that the speed is just below your cross hairs. This is so when you zoom in you can still read the 2nd line on the E6B

2)Calibrate whilst also watching the 2nd line of your E6b.
3)Your calibration speed and the 2nd line on your E6b have to match as you release the bombs (exactly!) Trick is to set the calibration just as you approach target and slow down to it using your E6B holding the two the same for the few seconds you release.

This way you can pick off any thing on the field you know the location of from 30K................if you really want to.
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Motherland on October 10, 2007, 06:47:24 PM
Honestly, rich, it sounds like the problem lay in you: it doesnt sound like your giving enough time for speed to stabilize, or you calibrate without the doors being open.
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Spikes on October 10, 2007, 06:50:50 PM
I usually always keep my calibration speed the same, and adjust my throttle to my calibration speed.
Title: Re: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Stoney74 on October 10, 2007, 08:15:18 PM
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
I wonder what the purpose is of needing such long times to calibrate a bombers bombsight?


You do realize how it worked in real life don't you?  Even with the Norden bombsite, the bombadier had a mulitude of calculations to perform running in on the target.  And, as is the case in AH, the drop speed dialed into the very complicated slide rule that was the Norden, had to match the speed the aircraft was flying, or the math didn't work.  So, amidst turbulence created by flak, winds, and other factors, the bombadier had to setup the drop, then tell the pilot what speed to fly the plane at.  He had a joystick to provide control inputs to the autopilot to line up the cross hairs of the sight on the target.  It was, and still is a very complicated process, so much so that the USAAF considered 30% of all bombs dropped within a certain vicinity of the aimpoint to be a successful drop.  Even today, dropping unguided bombs from altitude on a point target is a complicated exercise in geometry.

In AH, there is one simple rule to dropping precisely and that is matching your calibration speed to your drop speed.  If you're twisting and turning going into the target, or still accelerating from leveling off, it will affect your accuracy.  If you line up on the target at a distance so that you'll only have to make miniscule changes in direction, and you are at a stable speed, your calibration time should only be seconds.
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Rich46yo on October 10, 2007, 09:18:35 PM
Fellas thank you for the advice. So far tonight I dont think Ive missed one target, including a few CVs, and multiple fighters. I am becoming a very good bomber stick. And I do love flying bombers, most of all my beloved B-26s.

                    Whats my new secret? Who knows? But I am doing almost all my turning in the bombsight , or, the F3 view of my top turret.

                    Ive had technical problems crop up from time to time that I haven't figured out. Things like bombing short when everything is perfect, or, some airplanes going haywire control-wise. I dont know whats going on. The bombing sequence is so easy even a long tailed monkey like I can figure it out. There are some days I just cant keep calibration and who knows why? But all is good now so Im going to roll with it.


                And there are 4 or 5 fighter sticks tonight that learned the B-26 isn't as vulnerable to the belly as they thought.
;)
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Stoney74 on October 10, 2007, 10:29:01 PM
I don't know if you're a one pass/haul butt kind of guy...One thing if you salvo only a portion of your bombs is that the reduced weight decreases the induced drag on the plane, and will therefore increase your speed at the same throttle setting.  So, if you've still got a couple of eggs left on your second run, remember to recal your speed (and you probably gained some altitude as well while the autopilot retrimmed your plane).  It will induce a small amount of error in your second, third, etc. drop.
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Rich46yo on October 11, 2007, 12:11:10 AM
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Originally posted by Stoney74
I don't know if you're a one pass/haul butt kind of guy...One thing if you salvo only a portion of your bombs is that the reduced weight decreases the induced drag on the plane, and will therefore increase your speed at the same throttle setting.  So, if you've still got a couple of eggs left on your second run, remember to recal your speed (and you probably gained some altitude as well while the autopilot retrimmed your plane).  It will induce a small amount of error in your second, third, etc. drop.


                             No Im a "stay until dead or out of eggs" type of guy. I dont care about scores, or stats, or anything like that and that's probably why I flared when I had someone checking into my scores. I mean who cares? Scores mean nothing. Unfortunately there are times when it is just impossible to bomb a target due to enemy fighters being so thick.

                           And one thing I do try and do is recalibrate after each pass. Your right, speed does change and throws you way off.

                         I guess one of the reasons I love the B-26, and I have far more then one, is because it turns so well and gives you tighter runs with extra time to calibrate. Thank you sir for your kind advice.
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: SAS_KID on October 11, 2007, 12:31:26 AM
Get fighter cover, go in at high alt, get an escort, go to a different base, get a gunner.
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: blkmgc on October 11, 2007, 06:01:52 AM
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Originally posted by Murdr
Because it is an issue that affects overall arena play.  


And having the ability to up a dozen 262's and another dozen 163's at one target doesnt? :rofl

I kind of get what Rich is saying. When your in the bomb run around the strats you get swarmed by twin hoovers and rocket boys...which is about as realistic as having no individual  gunners and a bombardeer other than the one player manning it all. I think this ballance should be looked at. Maybe limit the numbers of these unstopable aircraft to two or three in the air at any given time to give some semblance of reality. As it is now, when the bardar , field dar goes off near a strat target, the nearest large airfield looks and sounds like Laguardia. :D
Title: Re: Re: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Trip01 on October 11, 2007, 06:36:53 AM
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Originally posted by Lusche
Heck, even the old calibration system (changed a few years ago but often still activated in AvA & SEA) with it's requirement of tracking a point on the landscape was unrealistically precise.


Er, what? I'm still doing the track a point on the landscape thing. Has it changed?

Trip
Title: Re: Re: Re: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Scca on October 11, 2007, 07:01:42 AM
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Originally posted by Trip01
Er, what? I'm still doing the track a point on the landscape thing. Has it changed?

Trip
I guess...  It's been that way since I started about a year ago.  Tracking isn't necessary, just hold the "Y" key..
Title: Re: Re: Re: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Lusche on October 11, 2007, 07:08:12 AM
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Originally posted by Trip01
Er, what? I'm still doing the track a point on the landscape thing. Has it changed?

Trip


Three years ago.

But the text in bombsight could have given you a hint ;)
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Scca on October 11, 2007, 07:09:17 AM
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
Lusche I'll reply to you since Ive always respected you.

                      Remind me of the threads Ive ruined cause I cant seem to recall any of them. Ive always been respectful of others tho im fairly short with rude fools. Im not talking of any of one of you fighter flying chimps btw. I actually have a rather dim-witted German Shepard, no offense Lusche, that I taught to fly a fighter in short order. If it makes you feel any better hes only 3/4 German and 1/4 Bulgarian. "The arrogance comes from his German side tho". BTW he's 14yo.

                    I guess I should have directed my comments to Scca by name then all of you wouldnt have jumped in. Naww you would have anyway. Maybe he just needs training time and after checking his scores Im sure of it. "just kidding dude".

                  C'mon guys. It was a simple post in the wishlist forum.

                  Maybe it was just misunderstanding from the vagaries of the printed word? For my part I will apologize if I offended anyone. Im just a very direct person and it comes out harder in print then it does in real life.

                If anyone says their intent was to help then I'll believe it and Im sorry for turning the flames up in the oven. Scca thank you for wanting to help. It was not my intent to turn the thread into a flame war.

             You gotta admit tho, "Baron Von Brownpants" was a good one wasnt it?:lol

No worries..  I too come across a little smart mouthed sometimes.  My offer for help is sincere.  

I have nothing against buff drivers. I play the whole game to benefit my squad and bomb when necessary.  Bombing to me is a snore, but I wouldn’t knock anyone for being exclusive at it.  I only wanted to look at your score to see what your averages were to help me understand what I could do to help, nothing more.

As was already mentioned, what you wish for, may be against others wishes, and by starting a thread, those comments will come out.  Even something that would be good for most of the players, may not be well received by some (arena scoring split for instance).  If HTC didn’t want to allow comments on a wishlist item, he would have made it a post only folder.

I will be looking for you at angels 30 :)
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Trip01 on October 11, 2007, 07:56:16 AM
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Originally posted by Lusche
Three years ago.

But the text in bombsight could have given you a hint ;)


Bah, I don't read that nonsense. Can you point me to instructions on how to calibrate with the new method. (By the way the method I'm using works just fine.)

Trip
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Lusche on October 11, 2007, 08:06:38 AM
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Originally posted by Trip01
Bah, I don't read that nonsense. Can you point me to instructions on how to calibrate with the new method. (By the way the method I'm using works just fine.)

Trip


Hmmm... that nonsense there ARE the instructions...


(http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/levelbombing/image12.gif)
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: thndregg on October 11, 2007, 08:07:35 AM
Rich, I'm here if you need a little help. I love the B26 for sinking ships.:D
Title: Change bomber calibration times
Post by: Rich46yo on October 11, 2007, 11:46:02 AM
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Originally posted by thndregg
Rich, I'm here if you need a little help. I love the B26 for sinking ships.:D


                       Thanks Egg. The B-26 is just a far more survivable bomber to fly. Yeah I like the big bombers but how often can you organize big formations with escorts and gunners?? And there are also times I dont feel like climbing for 45 mins too. And the Strats near where the rocket planes can be jumped into? The ones usually 5 k high to boot? Forget it! I dont even go into those anymore, or at least not often.

                   I mean why? You help your team more flying tactical missions or goons. I actually have some hair-raising flights in Goons.

                  And the best part of the B-26 against ships is you can get it up to 10,000' quickly and get there while the ship is still up. It seems to me everytime Im at 10,000', and start my drop 1 & 1/2 ship length ahead, I always hit.

                Anyway...what were we talking about? ...I forget...Oh yeah, the bombsight? Refresh my memory, why did Lusche want to change calibration times??