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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: crockett on October 09, 2007, 08:02:22 PM
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Are these guys total freaking idiots? Ok well I guess they are but can they really be this damn stupid?
"A small private intelligence company that monitors Islamic terrorist groups obtained a new Osama bin Laden video ahead of its official release last month, and around 10 a.m. on Sept. 7, it notified the Bush administration of its secret acquisition. It gave two senior officials access on the condition that the officials not reveal they had it until the al-Qaeda release.
Within 20 minutes, a range of intelligence agencies had begun downloading it from the company's Web site. By midafternoon that day, the video and a transcript of its audio track had been leaked from within the Bush administration to cable television news and broadcast worldwide.
The founder of the company, the SITE Intelligence Group, says this premature disclosure tipped al-Qaeda to a security breach and destroyed a years-long surveillance operation that the company has used to intercept and pass along secret messages, videos and advance warnings of suicide bombings from the terrorist group's communications network."
Full story..
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/08/AR2007100801817.html
Winning the war on terror one F up @ a time..
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"Bush Administration" includes THOUSANDS of people, like the CIA, and State Dept. for instance, who hate Bush more than you do....THEY are the ones who essentially started the Valerie Plame crap, and suffered naught for it
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*running around like a chicken with its' head cut off* AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Blame Boosh AHHHHHHHHHH!
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Wasting yer breath crockett. Those who are inclined to vote for the socialist utopia are going to do so no matter what the evil Boosh does and those who aren't, won't.
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Holy crap, did you guys not read the...
"it notified the Bush administration of its secret acquisition. It gave two senior officials access on the condition that the officials not reveal they had it until the al-Qaeda release."
I can't believe people here are implying that this wasn't the Bush administration's fault.
I mean for Christ's sake. You tell me a secret and ask me not to tell anyone. If I blab it about town and it gets out, are you going to blame someone down the line, or me?
The bobbing and weaving here is retarded.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Holy crap, did you guys not read the...
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So is the fact that you believe everything you read on the internet.
Booosh!!! it's Boosh's fault!
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Alright, then. Start at square one. Who are the two senior officials, and what exactly do they do?
Secondly...Why the hell did the security agency have the damn thing on they're WEBSITE, of all places, available for download to anyone who went there???
And lastly, How come they have to use a private security firm for info? What's wrong with the NSA, or the CIA, or any of the other Dozen or so Official government agencies that should already be doing this job?
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Alright, then. Start at square one. Who are the two senior officials, and what exactly do they do?
Secondly...Why the hell did the security agency have the damn thing on they're WEBSITE, of all places, available for download to anyone who went there???
And lastly, How come they have to use a private security firm for info? What's wrong with the NSA, or the CIA, or any of the other Dozen or so Official government agencies that should already be doing this job?
Booosh! Boosh did it!!!!
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I like to pretend that when the Government "leaks" something it is for a purpose other than political.
BUT...
I always keep in mind what I heard on GGLiddy's show many years ago..."3 people can keep a secret when 2 of them are dead"
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
So is the fact that you believe everything you read on the internet.
Booosh!!! it's Boosh's fault!
Are you mental? I don't believe everything I read on the internet, but some sources have been proven to be damn reliable.
" Today it is well known that the Earth is a sphere, or very close to one (its equator bulges out a bit because of the Earth's rotation)."
http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Scolumb.htm
OMG its on teh net, its on teh net MUST not be be TRU!!!
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moronathon in progress, do not disturb.
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Alright, then. Start at square one. Who are the two senior officials, and what exactly do they do?]
I'm sure if they want us to know we will find out.
Secondly...Why the hell did the security agency have the damn thing on they're WEBSITE, of all places, available for download to anyone who went there??? ]
Umm hello how else do you think they were going to get it to the people in the Bush admin? Were they supposed to send it FedEx? Maybe by US postal carrier? Or better yet give it too the 6 o'clock news and tell Bush and co to tune in?
And lastly, How come they have to use a private security firm for info? What's wrong with the NSA, or the CIA, or any of the other Dozen or so Official government agencies that should already be doing this job? [/B]
Our govt uses all kinds of private companies to collect data. These guys happen to be an independent group that collects data and does research. In that research they happened to come across the data. So they did the right thing and put it in the hands of the right people.
The "right" people however just don't seem to have any common sense and have now done the equivalent of outing a spy or a valuble information resource, which might have saved lives in the future.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
So is the fact that you believe everything you read on the internet.
Booosh!!! it's Boosh's fault!
Why is it, you only use that excuse when it's something "you" don't want to accept?
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is this like when the media told the world that the US was listening to al quieda's cell phone calls?
is it anything like that?
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they are the same people who entrapped sen. craig, who typically has a wide stance.
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The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Blame Booosh!
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Originally posted by john9001
is this like when the media told the world that the US was listening to al quieda's cell phone calls?
is it anything like that?
That was Boosh's fault too. Crocket said so..
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Holy crap, did you guys not read the...
"it notified the Bush administration of its secret acquisition. It gave two senior officials access on the condition that the officials not reveal they had it until the al-Qaeda release."
I can't believe people here are implying that this wasn't the Bush administration's fault.
I mean for Christ's sake. You tell me a secret and ask me not to tell anyone. If I blab it about town and it gets out, are you going to blame someone down the line, or me?
The bobbing and weaving here is retarded.
Here's the next paragraph of the article you quote from:
Within 20 minutes, a range of intelligence agencies had begun downloading it from the company's Web site. By midafternoon that day, the video and a transcript of its audio track had been leaked from within the Bush administration to cable television news and broadcast worldwide.
So the Bush administration gets the info.
Correctly, they pass this info on to agencies that should be looking into it.
The article states that the Bush administration leaked it....how do they know that? How do they know it was not someone in one of the agencies that were notifed?
What so you think the Bush administration should have done with the tip from SITE?
-Sit on it and do nothing?
-Round up a posse of just administration officials, cook some popcorn and sit around the oval office and watch the video?
-Or maybe pass the info on to agencies that are equipped to review and advise on the info?
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Are you mental? I don't believe everything I read on the internet, but some sources have been proven to be damn reliable.
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No, you are just a leftwing nutjob that believes EVERYTHING you read that appears to be a negative for the Bush admin.
Boosh... Boosh did it! ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Boosh is resposible for your impotence... Booooosh! Whackjob.
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Originally posted by john9001
is this like when the media told the world that the US was listening to al quieda's cell phone calls?
is it anything like that?
or when.....The New York Times for revealing that the Treasury Department was monitoring an international database of financial wire transfers.
or when.....The New York Times revealed a National Security Agency (NSA) program that monitored international phone calls and e-mails to and from people in America suspected of being linked to terrorism...
or when.....USA Today reported that the NSA was also compiling a database of domestic calls.
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Originally posted by crockett
Why is it, you only use that excuse when it's something "you" don't want to accept?
Because I find refuse to accept some drive by blurb in the media at face value, good or bad.
Booosh! It's Booosh's fault you are a leftt wing nutjob. Booooosh!
Boooosh is responsible for your nocturnal emissions. Blame Booooosh!
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Holy crap, did you guys not read the...
"it notified the Bush administration of its secret acquisition. It gave two senior officials access on the condition that the officials not reveal they had it until the al-Qaeda release."
I can't believe people here are implying that this wasn't the Bush administration's fault.
I mean for Christ's sake. You tell me a secret and ask me not to tell anyone. If I blab it about town and it gets out, are you going to blame someone down the line, or me?
The bobbing and weaving here is retarded.
Hate to tell ya, but each "administration" consists of the entire executive branch which includes all the career gov't types from previous administrations. A "senior official" isn't necessarily a political appointee type either.
A good example might be the head of the CIA, who would have quite properly been called a "senior administration intelligence official" when he sat on the couch in the oval office and told the president that the evidence of WMDs in Iraq was a "no-brainer" and not to worry, they'd find them once they got there. He was a hold-over from the Clinton administration of course....
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Originally posted by JBA
or when.....The New York Times for revealing that the Treasury Department was monitoring an international database of financial wire transfers.
or when.....The New York Times revealed a National Security Agency (NSA) program that monitored international phone calls and e-mails to and from people in America suspected of being linked to terrorism...
or when.....USA Today reported that the NSA was also compiling a database of domestic calls.
Yes and that was all later ruled unconsitutional and violation of people rights.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Because I find refuse to accept some drive by blurb in the media at face value, good or bad.
Booosh! It's Booosh's fault you are a leftt wing nutjob. Booooosh!
Boooosh is responsible for your nocturnal emissions. Blame Booooosh!
It's funny how you never have any issues of it being some "drive by blurb in the media" when it's something you support.
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It's King Georges fault! For colonizing our wonderful country with eurotrash!
:rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by crockett
It's funny how you never have any issues of it being some "drive by blurb in the media" when it's something you support.
That would be funny, if it were accurate. I do not support much of what Bush does, especially and most emphatically his awful domestic policies.
Would I approve of a leak by someone? No, but the fact is that the left leaning media uses the term "Bush administration" for even the lowest ranking employee in the federal govt as if to imply that Bush personally hired every last one of them. I find this to be disingenuous.
Do you honestly feel that the major news outlets have an unbiased view of this POTUS, that they have had one since his swearing in?
Did you read the article? There are several things that don't really make a lot of sense to me so I'm hesitant to take it at face value. Does the Bush admin screw up? Oh ya. He had the majority in the house and senate for 6 years and did NOTHING, as far as I'm concerned. So while you may mistakenly label me as a Bush supporter, this article strikes me as not credible.
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I wonder how the lowest ranking members of the federal government got their hands on classified intel after it was given to Senior White House officials?
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Originally posted by rpm
I wonder how the lowest ranking members of the federal government got their hands on classified intel after it was given to Senior White House officials?
dan rather?
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Sandy Berger ---if they had the proper CLEARANCE level, someone in the dept of Energy could have accessed it
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I think you guys missed the point of my post.
Classified material, of any kind of strategic, political, or military nature, should not be handled so cavalierly.
It should be hand-delivered, via armed courier, not posted on something as insecure as a website-unless, of course, it is deemed to be something that can be disseminated at a lower clearance level.
This, is really at heart, a failure on the part of the private intel firm.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
So is the fact that you believe everything you read on the internet.
Booosh!!! it's Boosh's fault!
Frontpagemag close it's website? Limbaugh.com out of business? :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
Frontpagemag close it's website? Limbaugh.com out of business? :D
I've never been to either site. How did you tear yourself away from moveon.org to post here? :D
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
I've never been to either site. How did you tear yourself away from moveon.org to post here? :D
Presumption junction yourself much, pot? :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
Presumption junction yourself much, pot? :D
Look in the mirror, kettle.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Look in the mirror, kettle.
Going nowhere fast with this, Stevie. Keep up the great work. :aok
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
I think you guys missed the point of my post.
Classified material, of any kind of strategic, political, or military nature, should not be handled so cavalierly.
It should be hand-delivered, via armed courier, not posted on something as insecure as a website-unless, of course, it is deemed to be something that can be disseminated at a lower clearance level.
This, is really at heart, a failure on the part of the private intel firm.
No, we got it. The problem is...
[SIZE=10]The White House didn't![/SIZE]
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
It should be hand-delivered, via armed courier, not posted on something as insecure as a website-unless, of course, it is deemed to be something that can be disseminated at a lower clearance level.
This, is really at heart, a failure on the part of the private intel firm.
Or a failure to understand what a website is and can be by yourself? Posting said video on a website could easily be more secure than any other method you've listed. I'd really not make such comments as yours unless I was technically adept at todays internet security concepts.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Going nowhere fast with this, Stevie. Keep up the great work. :aok
Again, this is a circular discussion you started. Too late to take the high road.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Again, this is a circular discussion you started. Too late to take the high road.
All I did was offer you some examples of internet sources some take as gospel from the opposite spectrum, sir. You're the one that shat a chicken. :D
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You're the one that shat a chicken. :D [/B]
Damn, that would hurt.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Or a failure to understand what a website is and can be by yourself? Posting said video on a website could easily be more secure than any other method you've listed. I'd really not make such comments as yours unless I was technically adept at todays internet security concepts.
Because I've talked with a few comp. experts who have agreed that nothing is un-hackable.
How would you go about sitting down at a keyboard, and accessing a peice of security info, that is inside a diplomatic voucher, or inside a bulletproof attache case that is handcuffed to the wrist of a CIA agent?
Unless you are inside someplace like Iraq (And the article does not state where the video origanally surfaced) The info would be secure from the source 'till it's sitting on the desk of the Senior official that recieved it on the other end.
However, it is all a moot point, if as soon as it arrives at the White House, If it is treated like the score of the Rose Bowl. It was meant to be kept under wraps, Most likely to protect the info sources inside Al-Queda (Which must be a bastard to keep).
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Because I've talked with a few comp. experts who have agreed that nothing is un-hackable.
Righto Mr I've Talked to Computer Experts.
Here you go, heres our work web portal: https://renaissance.xtreme.net.nz
I'll even give you a headstart, theres a user called FrokeMk3, password dw33b.
Tell me how you get on getting into our system.
Heres a clue where you've gone wrong, you talked to self-proclaimed 'computer' experts....
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Originally posted by rpm
I wonder how the lowest ranking members of the federal government got their hands on classified intel after it was given to Senior White House officials?
Oh it's the liberal media's fault I'm sure.. Al Gore and Hillary probably played key parts which was likely followed up by the fact Brock Obama doesn't wear a American flag pin on his chest. I'm sure that played a major roll in this leak, Bush admin is just taking the blame because of the liberal media.
Oh wait, see I have it now, Al Gore invented the internet and this was leaked via the internet. Bush can't have any blame being he's just the Commander in Chief and it was likely all Al Gore fault. I bet he's trying to sell a book or something.
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
I think you guys missed the point of my post.
Classified material, of any kind of strategic, political, or military nature, should not be handled so cavalierly.
It should be hand-delivered, via armed courier, not posted on something as insecure as a website-unless, of course, it is deemed to be something that can be disseminated at a lower clearance level.
This, is really at heart, a failure on the part of the private intel firm.
Ummm yea that makes a lot of sense. I guess next time we have a guy in the feild that picks up intel on a attack. He shouldn't tell anyone about it, unless he can hand deliver the info via armored truck..
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Originally posted by crockett
Ummm yea that makes a lot of sense. I guess next time we have a guy in the feild that picks up intel on a attack. He shouldn't tell anyone about it, unless he can hand deliver the info via armored truck..
OHH NOES! Itz BOOSH! He did itz. I saw him pwn j00 bicthez. W00T!
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the spies...the spies are...everywhere. :noid
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Because I've talked with a few comp. experts who have agreed that nothing is un-hackable.
Oops, then I guess our company is just spinning its wheels and should give up now....
http://www.megapath.com/
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Originally posted by Airscrew
Oops, then I guess our company is just spinning its wheels and should give up now....
http://www.megapath.com/
Hey airscrew wot you guys using for firewalls? Reads like Fortinet orrrrrr maybe Juniper :D
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I hear both names used. I'm just a billing and provisioning guy, I dont get all caught up in that network mumbo jumbo. I just make sure the customers get charged correctly for their services and equipment and setup their accounts. for 4 years I ordered the broadband services for the customers, now I setup their accounts. After seven years I know just enough to not get totaly lost when the engineers and the sales guys are talking at the monthly meetings