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Whats a player and what's a gamer. I thought i was a gamer because i play this game on the internet and different sports games on xbox.
Seriously, I don't know what the definitions mean here in AH.
play·er /ˈpleɪər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pley-er] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a person or thing that plays.
2. a person who takes part or is skilled in some game or sport.
3. a person who plays parts on the stage; an actor.
4. a performer on a musical instrument.
5. Informal. a participant, as in a conference or business deal.
6. a sound- or image-reproducing machine: a record player; a cassette player; a videodisc player.
7. a gambler.
8. Slang. a person engaged in illicit or illegal activity, esp. a pimp.
9. a mechanical device by which a musical instrument, as a player piano, is played automatically.
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game1 /geɪm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[geym] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, adjective, gam·er, gam·est, verb, gamed, gam·ing.
–noun
1. an amusement or pastime: children's games.
2. the material or equipment used in playing certain games: a store selling toys and games.
3. a competitive activity involving skill, chance, or endurance on the part of two or more persons who play according to a set of rules, usually for their own amusement or for that of spectators.
–adjective Gamer
16. pertaining to or composed of animals hunted or taken as game or to their flesh.
17. having a fighting spirit; plucky.
18. Informal. having the required spirit or will (often fol. by for or an infinitive): Who's game for a hike through the woods?
–verb (used without object)
19. to play games of chance for stakes; gamble.
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You are working way too hard at this :)
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At least in AH speak.
Player would be a person who plays the game, be it strat, furballing and plays for the sake of flying the aircraft. They might score high, but not a priority as gameplay is. It is a short definition, because it is a general term, refering to many different types of players. Thet are generally a good part of the community, both in numbers and personalilty.
Gamers seek out other ways such as manipulating score to give themselves high ranking with little effort, pork' n' auger to drop a target saving themselves time by not having to fly home. Repeatedly suiciding a CV would be gaming. Flying to vulch without trying to take the field, gaming. Spawn camping, gaming. Basically they are trying to game the game in any way to give themselves an advantage, without actually playing the game.
Generally players tend to see gamers as a bane of existence in the virtual skies of AH. They tend to be younger in age, though not always. Generally not interested in the history of aircraft. Generally not good for the community as they add little or nothing to gameply, immersion, or community.
So, in the real world, I'm a gamer.
In AH, gamer is a bad word and wouldn't want to be called one.
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To me, a player is someone who playes the game. Whether you fly fighters, bomb, capture bases, or GV. If you enjoy these things just for the sake of the "enjoyment", your a player. If they threw out the score board and you don't notice, your a player. You spend almost as much time talking about the "great fight" you had the other night, or how your squad got lucky and stole a base from a bunch of guys that were defending it, as you do actually doing these things.
A gamer is someone who will do anything to win, and by winning I mean posting scores. You capture bases because you need goonie points to boost your score, and you get mad when someone else troops beat yours in. You bomb strat because they are easy to hit and you can rack up points quick, not because it will hinder the other team. You fly LAs and spit16's and do nothing but HO because its easy and quickest way to win a fight. The only enjoyment for a gamer is to see his score go up each day.
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Players play.
Gamers care about the definition of "gamer". :)
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Player = plays AH for more than 150 hours a tour :D
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What I was getting at when I said "gamer" is partly described above by Pluck and The Fugitive, although I disagree with some of his examples.
In reality yes... we are all gamers by the very fact we sit at computers "playing" a game. It's not a flight sim in my mind because it's far to easy to actually fly but having said that even if it was a sim it would still be classed as a game.
Is it a game that's far to easy to "game" the game? In some respects it very easy to "game" and some become seduced by it. By that I mean they blur this aspect. They would cry foul if their secret mission was given away but condone for instance, the sinking of a cv by any means possible or a "Rinse & Repeat" attitude.
So where do we draw the line? What philosophy should or indeed does one use?
The end justify the means?
Is it really that important or does it degenerate game play?
Because I can I will?
Many things are not coded like gravity in or on a bomb bay. "Rinse and repeat" isn't coded. Is it ok to do these things or does it degenerate game play?
They do it so I will to?
Well bully for them but do we have to join in with these antic. Would it be better to achieve by fair means or foul?
If everyone on every side did things the easy way we would choke the life outta this game. It's easier to kill something than to bring it back to life. It's even easier to say it's my 15 bucks, nanana!:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by LYNX
It's easier to kill something than to bring it back to life. It's even easier to say it's my 15 bucks, nanana!:rolleyes:
And a lousy trump card in a honest discussion too. As a "gamey" quip to cheap seats it gets worked overtime too.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
You are working way to hard at this :)
agreed :o
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One man's player is another man's gamer. What I mean is, say I take a fighter into a furball with little hope of living through it. The cherry picker would look down and say Im just gamey. Trying to get more total kills or something. Where I would look up at him and call him gamey because he doesnt want to get his hands dirty and risk having a death on his record.
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I had a custom desk built with stick throttle trims mixture and prop controls in place similar to the P51 layout. I wish the mixture control was available in AH but the radio channels would be full of questions about why the plane cant go any higher than 11k. My point is that discerning the difference is a matter of opinion largely and all it would take is a small change in the game details and more or less gamers would be generated depending on your viewpoint.
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Anyone ever Play a Gamer?
OK the Test Results are in....
A "Player" is one who has all the great looking chicks in his plane, boat, or tank.
A "Gamer" is one who bathes only on the 29th of February.
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Originally posted by Shuffler
Anyone ever Play a Gamer?
OK the Test Results are in....
A "Player" is one who has all the great looking chicks in his plane, boat, or tank.
A "Gamer" is one who bathes only on the 29th of February.
Would that make them gamey? (Holds nose):O
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Uh oh, someone called someone else a name, huh?
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Originally posted by LYNX
In reality yes... we are all gamers by the very fact we sit at computers "playing" a game. It's not a flight sim in my mind because it's far to easy to actually fly but having said that even if it was a sim it would still be classed as a game.
I agree AND disagree with you lynx... It is a flight sim in that the flight properties of MOST of the aircraft represented are close to accurate [you will stall a FW190 at 105 MPH] but with auto takeoff it is very easy to get airborne. For a player without real world flying experience, takeoffs and landings [which are the most difficult skills to master in any aircraft] would make the sky in the aces high world a lonely place. The act of flying an airplane is relatively easy, but getting into the air and back on to the ground is NOT!
My own personal feeling is that if you "play" the game your score will take care of itself. I could care less what my score is... I don't get a discount off my subscription if I'm number 1! Also I like nothing better than to break up vulches and kill spawn campers [gamers]. I will spawn limitless times to kill a spawn camper just so he can't land his 43 kills in whatever Gv he's in and will troll B17s over a vulch, empty just to pick off 5 or 6 vulchers [err gamers]. :aok
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IMO it's more like gamer vs simmer (is that a word? It is now). Gamers are in it just for the action / scores / bragging rights. It's just another point and shoot game to them. Simmers are in it mainly for the simulation of real combat / tactics, and the historic aspect too. The action / scores / bragging rights -is just icing on the cake to them.
Simmer, um... simer? Sim'er. Simulationer? (sheesh) Whatever they are called, I'm one of them.
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Gamers exploit. They exploit bugs in the game to their advantage (hide in windmills and hills to kill unsuspecting GV's) and/or they exploit settings to gain an advantage (turning off engine sounds). They might blatantly cheat or they may do things most would consider unsportsmanlike (vulch a second account, kill-steal). To a lesser degree they utilize panes and/or vehicles in unintended roles (Jabbo Lancs, fly fighters in attack mode just to save thier fighter score).
Each of these varies in it's "gaminess" and what some define as gaming, others define as playing.
In short, gamers in the AH world do things that most would find objectionable for the sole purpose of raising their scores and making themselves look better than they really are. They "game the game" because without doing so they are simply ordinary players.
Everything else (unless I forgot something) is just playing the game and thankfully, the vast majority of the community falls into the player catagory... even most of those with high ranks/scores.
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OK my definitions of GAMING THE GAME.
General player
Fighter mode
Deliberately ascertain a vulch situation. Go for the Ho. Pinging tanks. Repeatedly up from a capped field. Ho every con you see when upping from a capped field. Suicide straff runs on CV's.
Attack mode
Going in with your ords rinse repeat. Go for the Ho. Pinging tanks. Upping consistantly from a capped field in IL2 or other ammo absorbing planes. Suicide straff runs on CV's.
Bomber mode
Bomb and bail. Dive bombing heavy bombers. None calibrated bombing. N.O.E F3 view none calibrated bombing. Consistent upping from capped field. Ack staring from capped fields. Tank bombing in heavy bombers. Suiciding CV's
Gv mode
Deliberate misuse of graphic settings. PT boat spawn, fire torps, exit and repeat.
Score player
Fighter mode.
Setting up deliberate vulches. Cherry picking with little to no risk. Never ever shooting at anything other than a plane.
Attack mode
Only using a stuka JU87 to hit strat + re-arm repeat. Deliberate vulches. Pinging tanks with a cannon plane. Cherry picking again with little to no risk.
Bomber mode
Again only using a Stuka JU87 as above. Never do supply runs.
Gv mode
Only defend. PT rocket a strat but never go up against an enemy CV. Never do supply runs.
Although "gaming the game" is done in both the above categories. It's my opinion that the scoring gamer is less detrimental to game play. I don't condone either I hasten to add. If your opinion differs to mine may I draw you to a couple of facts. There are a lot less players actually player for score than there are players. There are far more players that don't care about score which begets a lot more players "gaming the game".
In brief Scorers are far and few between with a lot less detrimental effects to game play. Ok their annoying because it's hard to get to them to shoot them down but I can guarantee they don't suicide, hanger bang, do NOE town bombing, sink Cv's or stall any fight anywhere. Their goal is their own personal score not a "what ever it takes" attitude.
Of these two evils what do you see MOST of? A guy that takes a stuka to a factory repeatedly or a guy that comes with Lancaster's at 2,000 feet and suicide dive bombs your CV.
I think I make my point.
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the BK's are gamers. They're all you need to look at for a definition.
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Originally posted by LYNX
Attack mode
Going in with your ords rinse repeat.
Umm... isn't that what you're supposed to do in attack mode? Otherwise why have ords or attack mode at all?
As to upping from a capped field, that's actualy quite detrimental to the upper (or should I say attempted upper). I don't see where the gaminess comes into play on that one. They are either trying to break the cap, stupid or suicidal, maybe all three.
Agree on the rest.
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The Game is to be Sold, Not to be Told!!!!
I rest my case.
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
Umm... isn't that what you're supposed to do in attack mode? Otherwise why have ords or attack mode at all?
As to upping from a capped field, that's actualy quite detrimental to the upper (or should I say attempted upper). I don't see where the gaminess comes into play on that one. They are either trying to break the cap, stupid or suicidal, maybe all three.
Agree on the rest.
Ever play peek-a-boo? Same concept. You get vulchers to waste their ammo to break the cap. Its gaming.
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Originally posted by Chalenge
Ever play peek-a-boo? Same concept. You get vulchers to waste their ammo to break the cap. Its gaming.
Hmm... OK, never even thought about that. I guess that would be pretty gamey.
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i know what a troller is....
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
i know what a troller is....
Someone who is trying to get People to respond to his Troll :rolleyes: :eek:
So does that make me a Troll e
Crims
479th Raiders FG
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Are you one of those guys who shoots jeeps in their p40?
Or are you the jeep?
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
Umm... isn't that what you're supposed to do in attack mode? Otherwise why have ords or attack mode at all?
As to upping from a capped field, that's actualy quite detrimental to the upper (or should I say attempted upper). I don't see where the gaminess comes into play on that one. They are either trying to break the cap, stupid or suicidal, maybe all three.
Agree on the rest.
Ok...My appols I didn't make that to clear. When I said "Going in with your ords rinse repeat" I meant "Going in". A deliberate death more commonly know as pork and auger.
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Originally posted by A8TOOL
Translated properly.
Whats uh player an' what'suh gamer. I thought ah wuz uh gamer cuz ah play dis here game on da internet an' different sports games on xbox.
Seriously, I don' know what da definitions mean here in AH.
play·er /ˈpleɪər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pley-er] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. uh person or thin' dat plays.
2. uh person who takes part or iz skilled in some game or sport.
3. uh person who plays parts on da stage; an actor.
4. uh performer on uh musical instrument.
5. Informal. uh participant, as in uh conference or bidness deal.
6. uh sound- or image-reproducing machine: uh record player; uh cassette player; uh videodisc player.
7. uh gambler.
8. Slang. uh person engaged in illicit or illegal activity, esp. uh pimp.
9. uh mechanical device by which uh musical instrument, as uh player piano, iz played automatically. an don't make me pull mah gat!