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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sundowner on October 11, 2007, 04:57:08 AM
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Student sends angry e-mail messages slamming school policy and then is suspended and required to undergo a "mental health evaluation."
http://www.news.com/8301-13578_3-9795510-38.html
Get in line with the party line or risk being "evaluated".
Regards,
Sun
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Well his emails do sound like the work of a luny.
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Originally posted by Sundowner
Get in line with the party line or risk being "evaluated".
You seem to have some anger issues, some feelings of persecution, and a fear of authoritarian figures, Sundowner. You may also have some indications of some anti-social tendencies.
You may wish to speak with someone.
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I can't believe a university won't let a guy with a chip on his shoulder carry a firearm on campus!
Tronsky
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Sounds more like a private (I think) university suspended the kid for being a ranting *******, and the media is pretending that the focus of his rant is gun rights to get some easy ratings.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Well his emails do sound like the work of a luny.
Funny, I didn't hear the lunacy in his emails, but rather the frustration building within America that was founded on a damn good Constitution and its following amendments. To me, the schools reaction is more in line with socialized dictatorship.
Think I'll go buy a couple of handguns today before the socialists in this country make it too difficult.
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After all, if some wackjob student is running around campus with a gun, what's the worst that could happen?
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myelo... good point.. he could cause a lot of damage if no one else was armed
Imagine if they made schools "gun free zones" and disarmed everyone there and then announced to the world that they had done so!
Can you imagine the magnet for nutters that would be! Hell.. think of how many baby seals a lone nutjob with an gun could club before the cops got there in an hour or ten.
unarmed kids running away screaming... teachers unable to anything but try to hide the kids behind flimsy doors and under desks... imagine the carnage!
hope that never happens.
naaaa... not even the liberals would be that stupid.
lazs
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Originally posted by myelo
After all, if some wackjob student is running around campus with a gun, what's the worst that could happen?
Its by far safer then the wackjob president we currently have
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Here is the "angry" email that the guy sent.. I don't see anything in it that even aproaches the anger and bitterness we see from the minority rights groups or feminists and... I see nothing in it that is not true.
"E-mail from Troy Scheffler to Hamline University Vice President of Student Affairs David Stern, April 17, 2007
From: Troy Scheffler
To: dstern02@hamline.edu
Subject: I dont think the students need the counseling...
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:54 PM
Considering this university also pushes “diversity” initiatives like VA Tech, maybe its “leadership” will reconsider its ban on conceal carry law abiding gun owners... Ironically, according to a few VA Tech forums, there are plenty of students complaining that this wouldnt have happened if the school wouldnt have banned their permits a few months ago...
I just dont understand why leftists dont understand that criminals dont care about laws; that is why they’re criminals... Maybe this school will reconsider its repression of law abiding citizens rights.
Considering that accoriding to the university president that there were recently serious “hate crimes” that were committed in the womens bathrooms; there may be people on the edge ready to snap. I cant say I blame them, I myself am tired of having to pay my own extremely overpriced tuition to make up for minorities not paying theirs. On top of that, I am sick of seeing them held to a different standard than the white students (Of course its a lower and more lenient standard).
Oh by the way, when is your “diversity” department going to include European ancestry?
Respectfully,
Troy Scheffler "
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
Here is the "angry" email that the guy sent.. I don't see anything in it that even aproaches the anger and bitterness we see from the minority rights groups or feminists and... I see nothing in it that is not true.
"E-mail from Troy Scheffler to Hamline University Vice President of Student Affairs David Stern, April 17, 2007
From: Troy Scheffler
To: dstern02@hamline.edu
Subject: I dont think the students need the counseling...
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:54 PM
Considering this university also pushes “diversity” initiatives like VA Tech, maybe its “leadership” will reconsider its ban on conceal carry law abiding gun owners... Ironically, according to a few VA Tech forums, there are plenty of students complaining that this wouldnt have happened if the school wouldnt have banned their permits a few months ago...
I just dont understand why leftists dont understand that criminals dont care about laws; that is why they’re criminals... Maybe this school will reconsider its repression of law abiding citizens rights.
Considering that accoriding to the university president that there were recently serious “hate crimes” that were committed in the womens bathrooms; there may be people on the edge ready to snap. I cant say I blame them, I myself am tired of having to pay my own extremely overpriced tuition to make up for minorities not paying theirs. On top of that, I am sick of seeing them held to a different standard than the white students (Of course its a lower and more lenient standard).
Oh by the way, when is your “diversity” department going to include European ancestry?
Respectfully,
Troy Scheffler "
lazs
IMHO it's actually well written and very coherent. Very far from a "nut-job," or "lunatic." The administration didn't like what he wrote so they are trying to silence him.
He is dead on about the part of banning guns on campus. Before April 16th VT campus was a "Gun Free Zone," and we all know how that turned out.
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Originally posted by -tronski-
I can't believe a university won't let a guy with a chip on his shoulder carry a firearm on campus!
Tronsky
You guys never get it, you always find away to defend the wrong.
He didnt HAVE a firearm, he was suspended for saying he SHOULD be able to carry one if the state issued the permit.
Why don't you go look into the crime rate for CCW holders, you may learn something.
I am sure you won't bother though.
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there may be people on the edge ready to snap. I cant say I blame them,
Somebody writes this and then goes berzerk... there would be no end to the hindsight monday morning quarterback finger pointing idiocy.
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Yikes, not only does he slander anti-gun nuts, but also bashes foreigner's superior equality! :eek:
MT does point out a counter point though, that was badly written, especialy given the precedence of closet nutcases.
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"Victim disarmament zone"
Classic. Were I in college, I'd be carrying concealed, legal or not. I'll do the same when I move to Wisconsin, one of the bastions of anti-gun laws in the US.
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Imagine if they let nut jobs run around on campus with guns... Oh.. wait.. they only people on campus with guns are the nutjobs thanks to their policy.
as for liability... why don't they take pictures at every protest rally and...
Anyone who is carrying an angry sign or.. one that advocates violence.. why not then ban them from campus?
I mean... the email had no threats of violence yet... the school bans him while allowing people to stay who parade around with the most vile and aggressive signs in their hands... shouting violence!
The protesters seem very disturbed and angry to me and... historically... protesters are gunmen.. oswald for instance.
lazs
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I wonder what the statistics are for gun related violence on campuses that allow firearms and those with gun bans. I'm all for the right for someone to have a gun but I just don't feel confortable allowing fire arms on a college campus. College kids + booze + fire arms = bad mix IMO.
ack-ack
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Pffft, this isn't really a gun rights issue. Read the 2nd email. Barely a paragraph is devoted to the ban of guns on campus, while the rest is devoted to how horrible the school is, and why he's such a genius for acing all his classes without opening his textbook.
Unless the school itself said they banned him for the gun argument, I think it's very easy to believe they booted him for being such a tard.
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LOL...
The guy talks about snapping and wants to be able to carry a gun on campus...
(http://metsheads.blogharbor.com/alfred_e_neuman.jpg)
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He should have been kicked out for overuse of ellipses alone.
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He is clearly guilty of disagreeing with liberal viewpoints.
IIRC, that is a captial offense; it's the one exception to the death penalty that the libs allow.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
You seem to have some anger issues, some feelings of persecution, and a fear of authoritarian figures, Sundowner. You may also have some indications of some anti-social tendencies.
You may wish to speak with someone.
I'm in definite need of some socialist "sensitivity" training. :D
Regards,
Sun
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Considering that accoriding to the university president that there were recently serious “hate crimes” that were committed in the womens bathrooms; there may be people on the edge ready to snap. I cant say I blame them, I myself am tired of having to pay my own extremely overpriced tuition to make up for minorities not paying theirs. On top of that, I am sick of seeing them held to a different standard than the white students (Of course its a lower and more lenient standard).
This is where he went wrong. He mentioned firearms in the same email he made a comment on race. You cannot do that, once you mention firearms and race in the same year, you are labeled some kind of a wackjob. You cannot do that in this country (USA) you do not have that right. Mind your P's and Q's, sit down, shut up and color.
Have no need to fear, Mr. Nobel prize is here!
Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, run for presedent, there is not that much funny stuff on TV right now.
We miss you Al!
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
You guys never get it, you always find away to defend the wrong.
He didnt HAVE a firearm, he was suspended for saying he SHOULD be able to carry one if the state issued the permit.
Why don't you go look into the crime rate for CCW holders, you may learn something.
I am sure you won't bother though.
Which part said he HAD or HAVE?
...the important part is WON'T
Tronsky
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Having read both of the e-mails as posted in the article's links I have to say they are pretty darn tame compared to what we see here in the bbs daily. I shudder to think what they might have done had Laz been e-mailing on their campus.
I think it's more than a bit of a stretch to ban then "require" psychological evaluation based on those 2 e-mails. While they obviously did not pander to the university president's opinion, they were not threatening to the campus or population. It seems that diversity is embraced except when you divert from the university president's opinion. I would hate to think how this place would have been viewed during a more strenuous time like in the 60's and 70's. Think of it, students actually making speeches about differing opinions and political positions! The student population would suffer from mass bans I'm sure. I'd say the message here is be diverse, just don't think differently.
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I haven't read the second email but he seems to be making some good points in the first.
Why are all the protesters with signs that advocate violence or intolerance not suspended?
ackack... the problem is that when you take guns from the campus... the only guns you can really take away are the ones of people who obey the law.
no nutter would care what the "punishment" was.. he is going there to die in a blaze of glory after shooting as many government disarmed sheep as he can.
I have no stats for schools that allow ccw holders but... the media is not telling us that fully one third of all school shootings have been stopped by some civilian with a gun.
of the millions of civilians carrying...none has been convicted of an unlawful shooting much less a shooting spree at the sheeple at schools..
What have we got to lose by at least letting teachers who want... carry concealed?
lazs
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Originally posted by Maverick
.....I'd say the message here is be diverse, just don't think differently.
Right on the money.:aok
Regards,
Sun
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If by differently you mean openly sympathize and support swastika graffiti.
Right.
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Emails sound like the frustration a sane person feels when confronted and fed up with the asinine mind of liberal authority. No logic, just rampant stupidity.
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I am still trying to figure out what he said that should not be said at a center for thought and learning.
I am still trying to figure out how he is more dangerous sounding than the hordes of screaming protesters with their signs covered in fake blood and cries for death of officials.
I think the liberal agenda of our institutions of higher learning is quite clear.
lazs
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Originally posted by Engine
If by differently you mean openly sympathize and support swastika graffiti.
Right.
Did you read the e-mail in question about the swastika. I didn't see any support for it or what it symbolizes at all. Here I'll quote the part of his second e-mail where he mentions it.
"I was wondering why a swastika painted by some frustrated ladies in their bathroom turned somehow into red flags of a hate crime but you dont consider an asian guy admittedly killing people because he hated them not hate motivated"
I do not like a swastika or what it stands for but I understand this guys question. Why is a painted symbol more of a hate crime than wanton mass murder?
I think this guy might have a couple issues to deal with, one being why he attended a University that he dislikes so much but I didn't see anything in either of those e-mails that warranted a ban from campus and denial of his paid for education.
By the time a student gets to a University they are in the position to start expressing ideas and exploring alternative styles of thought. So far it seems the university in this question say thought is OK as long as it agrees with their president.
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"I bet the staff here is wondering how a swastika ended up in a bathroom... More people than you can imagine are tired of this all. It’s just sad that they resort to petty vandalism rather than speak their mind like I am. "
Maverick, this is from the 2nd email. He doesn't say it directly, but it looks like clear support of Naziism to me. If he didn't support Nazis, he'd separate himself from the graffiti vandals, but instead, he just criticizes their methods. He also calls them "frustrated", as though being opposed to affirmative action is a good excuse for painting swastikas... Sorry, but I'm opposed to affirmative action and I don't think supporting Nazis is the answer.
What is this asian guy mass killing he's talking about? Did the asian guy kill people because of their race, or because he just hated them? Hate crime refers to racial hate.
Yes, I agree that a disgustingly liberal agenda permeates the higher educational system, but let's not kid ourselves by thinking this kid is a perfectly normal conservative being oppressed by Jane Fonda.
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Engine,
Nowhere in the e-mail does he say that he supports or approves of the use of a swastika. If you think he did then you are reading something in the message I didn't see stated.
I believe the asian guy he is talking about is the Virginia Tech hugahunk.
I do see a lot of frustration but no real indication that he is a nazi sympathizer.
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Originally posted by Goth
Funny, I didn't hear the lunacy in his emails, but rather the frustration building within America that was founded on a damn good Constitution and its following amendments. To me, the schools reaction is more in line with socialized dictatorship.
Think I'll go buy a couple of handguns today before the socialists in this country make it too difficult.
Please own up to trying to mimic Colbert. :D
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Were I in college, I'd be carrying concealed, legal or not.
Then you might or might not get arrested for carrying a weapon illegally. And you might or might not ever have a license to carry depending on your record. ;)