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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Yeager on October 11, 2007, 01:26:32 PM
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Apparently our Pelosi controlled congress thinks it can further undermine this nation by insulting a friendly muslim nation that is a leading secular democracy and example for all those backward muslim nations to strive for.
If we are going to pin the term genocide on the Turks we might as well pin it on ourselves.....remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/11/us.turkey.armenians/index.html
hypocracy in action
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Thank the Armenian diasporas who lobbied hard for this.
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what until the inexperienced black muslim is our vp with the power cooter running the show - you haven't seen anything yet
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Huh? The Turks are blazing hyprocrites. It is long past time for them to admit to themselves and everyone else what they did in the past. But they have some serious illusions about themselves.
They are madly keen to join the EU but simply can't bring themselves to raise their standards of human rights and freedom to a level we would find acceptable. Their attitude to the Kurds lacks a certain humanitarian aspect too.
I doubt if there would be many ramifications for the US. The Turks need the US more than the US needs them. In fact this resolution is an excellent example of the good America can do. America is often accused of ignoring the human rights record of it's allies and puppets for strategic reasons.
It seems, you are dammed if do and dammed if you don't.
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WTG Pelosi! :aok :huh The House Committee on Foreign Affairs passed the measure 27-21 Wednesday, even though President Bush and key administration figures lobbied hard against it. The full House is expected to vote on it, possibly Friday.
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Every time I see another non-binding (read: useless) resolution get shoved through I despise the Congressional leadership even more.
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Originally posted by Yeager
If we are going to pin the term genocide on the Turks we might as well pin it on ourselves.....remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
There's a big, BIG difference between what the Turks and the A-bombs did. I'm not condoning the bombings, (that's another debate entirely) but you're comparing apples to flippin' oranges.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Apparently our Pelosi controlled congress thinks it can further undermine this nation by insulting a friendly muslim nation that is a leading secular democracy and example for all those backward muslim nations to strive for.
If we are going to pin the term genocide on the Turks we might as well pin it on ourselves.....remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/11/us.turkey.armenians/index.html
hypocracy in action
So we should just say it's ok because it might hurt Turkey's feelings? Kinda like we go along with the fact that we know Saudi Arabia has supported terrorist yet we call them buddies because they over charge us for oil?
BTW, while our bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki might have caused mass amounts of civilian deaths. We wern't trying to kill japanese just because they were japanese. Meaning we wern't ethnic cleansing.
Personally I think it silly to be worried about something that happened during ww1. But I guess what ever floats their boats, at least it's better than them arguing about newspaper adds.
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Turkeys will never forget thanksgiving.....
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We wern't trying to kill japanese just because they were japanese. Meaning we wern't ethnic cleansing.
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A lighter shade of grey perhaps, depending on who you talk to. Point is, city killing is a abhorrent form of genocide, whether you want it to be or not.
Turkey killing hundreds of thousands of innocent armenians nearly 100 years ago is the business of Turkey to admit to and ask forgiveness for. In the event they do not want to do that, I would suggest a more peaceful world today could be achieved by remaining friends with the Turks rather than alienating them from us with this very harmful and accusatory rhetoric dribbling fourth from the house.
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"Yesterday some in Congress wanted to play hardball," said Egemen Bagis, foreign policy adviser to Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan. "I can assure you Turkey knows how to play hardball."
Damn Straight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbYczbBlatA)
Charon
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We'll probably get into it with Turkey sooner or later, anyway-They want to invade Northern Iraq to go after the Kurdish PKK group there.
This is the way things are gonna be in the Middle east from now on. Best get used to it now.
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Turkey was never a friend of the USA, they only pretended to be because they were afraid of the USSR.
Remember Turkey did not let US troops cross turkey in get into northern Iraq.
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Much ado about nothing. Instead of doing something to support the nation they just pass irrelevent political posturing bills. It would be far better to do something of substance than just apply a label to an act committed in another country by other people.
This is a great example of the inability of Congress (both Houses) to do anything worthwhile. All flash and no substance.
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Hitlers famous speech:
"I have issued the command -- and I’ll have anybody who utters but one word of criticism executed by a firing squad -- that our war aim does not consist in reaching certain lines, but in the physical destruction of the enemy. Accordingly, I have placed my death-head formation in readiness -- for the present only in the East -- with orders to them to send to death mercilessly and without compassion, men, women, and children of Polish derivation and language. Only thus shall we gain the living space [Lebensraum] which we need. Who, after all, speaks to-day of the annihilation of the Armenians?"
Hitler got his idea from the Turks. Blaming the Nazi for what they did and not blaming the Turks for what they did seems hypocritical. But I guess since these butchers are ours it's OK.
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Originally posted by john9001
Turkey was never a friend of the USA, they only pretended to be because they were afraid of the USSR.
Remember Turkey did not let US troops cross turkey in get into northern Iraq.
Damn those pesky Turks for not jumping through hoops when we tell them!
ack-ack
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Well then, you should have no problem with the pres of Iran denying what happened to the jews during ww2
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But but but. Bush tells us that iran is bad and turkey is good right?
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Originally posted by Yeager
A lighter shade of grey perhaps, depending on who you talk to. Point is, city killing is a abhorrent form of genocide, whether you want it to be or not.
Maybe so, but that's how war was fought in WW2. Was the bombings of London genocide? Or our carpet bombing of Germany? we also firebombed much of Japan and did quite a bit of damage. Hell the Germans were the first to do that too over London.
In fact I think Firebombing did as much damage in Japan as the Nukes did. So city destroying was common practice during WW2.
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One could accurately say that total war, bewteen cultures, is genocide.
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This one's probably gonna get it's own thread started sooner or later, but we're already here, so:http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071012/wl_nm/turkey_iraq_dc_25
If the Turks' carry through with this, does anyone want to try to predict our response? Will we just stand aside and let them, help them maybe? Will we frown and be dissapproving, but still allow them due to logistics' support reasons, such as stated in the article? Will we have Apache's up there picking off M-60's? Place yer bets!!!
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The situation in Iraq is improving. The pelosi liberals are in desperate need of reversing the emerging surge success trend and feel that this resolution condemning the century old Turkish armenian genocide has a great chance of alienating Turkey. This insulting house resolution will motivate the Turks to invade northern Iraq and thus severely reverse the positive gains the US military has made since summer.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/12/genocide.resolution/index.html
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Im starting to get energized here :mad: .......Im sensing the conservative majority is finally getting their groove ready for electoral action......keep going pelosi, keep going :cool:
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Pelosi wants to block access to Iraq thru Turkey. That's the only reason I can see for raising the subject of WW1.
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Originally posted by Yeager
The situation in Iraq is improving. The pelosi liberals are in desperate need of reversing the emerging surge success trend and feel that this resolution condemning the century old Turkish armenian genocide has a great chance of alienating Turkey. This insulting house resolution will motivate the Turks to invade northern Iraq and thus severely reverse the positive gains the US military has made since summer.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/12/genocide.resolution/index.html
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Im starting to get energized here :mad: .......Im sensing the conservative majority is finally getting their groove ready for electoral action......keep going pelosi, keep going :cool:
Yeah, but it really depends on the next moves they make, doesn't it Yeager? I mean, whether or not the Turk's actually invade, or just do a lot of posturing, and then back-off? I guess it remains to be seen.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Apparently our Pelosi controlled congress thinks it can further undermine this nation by insulting a friendly muslim nation that is a leading secular democracy and example for all those backward muslim nations to strive for.
If we are going to pin the term genocide on the Turks we might as well pin it on ourselves.....remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/11/us.turkey.armenians/index.html
hypocracy in action
Actually you should. The have done it repeatedly through their history and so have we. Not because of the bomb though. Member the Indians?
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I see some interesting logics here. Serbs killing 8,000 Bosniaques = genocide. Turks killing 1,500,000 Armenians = not genocide.
When Orthodox kill Muslims - it's a genocide and can't be tolerated, if Muslims kill Orthodox - it's OK and no one cares.
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Serbs massacred more Bosniaks than that. Srebrenica alone accounted for close to 8,000 Bosniak civilians.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by rpm
Pelosi wants to block access to Iraq thru Turkey. That's the only reason I can see for raising the subject of WW1.
The ONE weapon that Pelosi has to 'end the war'--is to deny funding. Congress could do that tomorrow, but hasn't the cajones---instead, they try all these peripheral tricks, like trying to mandate impossible readiness standards, standards for troop leave time, etc. NOW they are trying to insult an important US ally into not working with us anymore over something that happened in 1915---this passes pathetic
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Originally posted by Boroda
I see some interesting logics here. Serbs killing 8,000 Bosniaques = genocide. Turks killing 1,500,000 Armenians = not genocide.[..]
Nobody said it wasn't genocide. On the contrary.
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The present Republic of Turkey started in 1922.
The Armenian Genocide occurred from 1915 to 1917.
Anybody of responsible age (say 16) would be 107 years old now.
The genocide was perpetrated by a dead state (the Ottoman Empire) by individuals who are long dead.
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Do Turkish soldiers still get paid by how many left ears they collect?