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Title: Odd P51 question
Post by: sullie363 on October 13, 2007, 08:49:41 AM
This is something off the military channel.  There was no explanation in the show and I couldn't find anything online.  Anybody know the story behind this?

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Title: Odd P51 question
Post by: Viking on October 13, 2007, 08:52:29 AM
Killshooter was off that day.
Title: Odd P51 question
Post by: Spikes on October 13, 2007, 09:01:20 AM
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Originally posted by Viking
Killshooter was off that day.


:rofl
Title: Odd P51 question
Post by: Bronk on October 13, 2007, 09:05:40 AM
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Originally posted by Viking
Killshooter was off that day.


He wasn't chess piece loyal?

Bronk
Title: Odd P51 question
Post by: Lusche on October 13, 2007, 09:14:55 AM
The American flag stand for a C-47 that Cpt. Louis. E. Curdes straffed on February 10th 1944  which had just landed at a Japanese airfield on the Phillipines. He figured that it would be a Japanese plane very soon, if not having been one already.
Title: Odd P51 question
Post by: Urchin on October 13, 2007, 09:19:52 AM
IIRC that happened several times.  One P-61 (I think) crew shot down a US bomber that was about to land at a Japanese field.

I've read of several other stories, but I can't remember the details.
Title: Odd P51 question
Post by: OOZ662 on October 13, 2007, 10:58:30 AM
While we're onto this, the nose of the B-17 Miss Con Duct had a bunch of bomb markings, some air kills, and two ducks painted on the nose...what the heck are the ducks?
Title: Odd P51 question
Post by: SgtPappy on October 13, 2007, 11:11:12 AM
Sounds like some kind of decoying mission....
Title: Odd P51 question
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 13, 2007, 12:00:56 PM
I believe the story behind that is that a U.S. C-47/R4D was going to land on a Japanese held island. The P-51 pilot carefully popped both engines on the transport forcing them to ditch at sea, and they were rescued by friendlies.

And there were several who flew both in Europe and the Pacific. The majority I read about said the Japanese were more difficult to shoot down.
Title: Odd P51 question
Post by: sullie363 on October 13, 2007, 12:12:05 PM
Very interesting, thanks.
Title: Odd P51 question
Post by: Guppy35 on October 13, 2007, 12:36:58 PM
Savage has the story corrrect.  It was prior to landing and the  C47 had to ditch.  Apparently it turned out that a nurse Curdes knew was on the transport as well

He's flown 38s with the 82nd FG in the MTO first where he got his LW and Italian kills.
Title: Odd P51 question
Post by: sullie363 on October 13, 2007, 03:27:26 PM
So a C47, flown by Americans, was going to land at a Japanese field and instead of getting on the radio to ask why, the P51 shoots out its engines.  I somehow feel like I'm missing something here lol.
Title: Odd P51 question
Post by: AquaShrimp on October 13, 2007, 04:13:32 PM
Sounds like he didn't like that nurse.  

I'm not sure what the big deal was, the Japanese manufactured C-47s for their own use.  B-25s would occassionally shoot them down on strafing missions.
Title: Odd P51 question
Post by: Tac on October 13, 2007, 07:44:57 PM
I may be wrong Sullie.. i read about this story long ago.

I think he fired on the c47's engines to make them ditch when the transport was landing on a field that had been overrun by Japanese forces and the goon pilot was apparently unaware.
Title: Odd P51 question
Post by: Grendel on October 14, 2007, 03:20:20 AM
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Originally posted by sullie363
So a C47, flown by Americans, was going to land at a Japanese field and instead of getting on the radio to ask why, the P51 shoots out its engines.  I somehow feel like I'm missing something here lol.


Incompatible radios, mmmm?
Title: Odd P51 question
Post by: gripen on October 14, 2007, 04:56:42 AM
Yep, there might had been hundreds of planes in air same time from tens of units so it's unlikely that radio would have helped.
Title: Odd P51 question
Post by: McDeath on October 15, 2007, 07:00:59 AM
The ducks were to indicate decoy missions as stated above, my uncle was a waist gunner with the 100th BG and had 2 ducks on his plane also.
Title: Odd P51 question
Post by: Nilsen on October 15, 2007, 07:58:09 AM
Im glad i was not a figherpilot in WW2. As a norwegian i would prolly have flown spitfires. I think the spit is lame so i would prolly have shot down my squaddies and ditched then torched my own plane. They would be upset about that i guess.
Title: Odd P51 question
Post by: breg on October 19, 2007, 05:53:26 PM
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Originally posted by OOZ662
While we're onto this, the nose of the B-17 Miss Con Duct had a bunch of bomb markings, some air kills, and two ducks painted on the nose...what the heck are the ducks?

:rofl
I kind of figure it was a flock of ducks a gunner shot or they both ran into the props of the plane thats what I figure :lol
Title: Odd P51 question
Post by: breg on October 19, 2007, 06:00:18 PM
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Im glad i was not a figherpilot in WW2. As a norwegian i would prolly have flown spitfires. I think the spit is lame so i would prolly have shot down my squaddies and ditched then torched my own plane. They would be upset about that i guess.


either that or you get brain washed by Germany and be a grunt either way it all pans out you shoot squadies and ditch you shoot friendy grunts and meet Mr.Diesel SMOKE in the chamber lol but yeah I dont think you guys had Spits then because the Spitfire was Britans prize and they loved all planes only a few americans got to fly the SPITs during war time. Well thats from what I read... And also I think your other choice would have to be some russian made plane or p-40's we had a butt load of them..


Also can any one tell me what the III mark is for on the p51 I thought it was the (I dont know if im spelling this right but) Third Riche?? or JR lufftewaffe Pilots. I dont really know fill me in
Title: Odd P51 question
Post by: Lusche on October 19, 2007, 06:11:19 PM
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Originally posted by breg

Also can any one tell me what the III mark is for on the p51 I thought it was the (I dont know if im spelling this right but) Third Riche?? or JR lufftewaffe Pilots. I dont really know fill me in


Kill of an Italian plane.
Title: Odd P51 question
Post by: breg on October 20, 2007, 03:21:22 AM
ohhh yeah now I remeber because thats the main mark on a Fait G.55
Title: Odd P51 question
Post by: MiloMorai on October 20, 2007, 06:37:20 AM
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Originally posted by breg
I dont think you guys had Spits then because the Spitfire was Britans prize and they loved all planes only a few americans got to fly the SPITs during war time. Well thats from what I read... And also I think your other choice would have to be some russian made plane or p-40's we had a butt load of them..

Agh???

Someone needs to brush up on their RAF History. :rolleyes: Just for starters, Polish pilots flew Spits during BoB. Norwegian squadrons in the RAF that flew Spits were 331, 332, 335 and 336.

Czech, Dutch, Free French, Belgium, Canada, Aussie and NZ had Spit squadrons.
Title: Odd P51 question
Post by: breg on October 20, 2007, 07:34:15 AM
Ohhh wow thats new I only read a little bit but I didnt know they flew in the battle of britan damn I need to brush up damn.... lol
Title: Odd P51 question
Post by: theNewB on October 23, 2007, 12:15:23 AM
Well breg your in the right place, a lot of us here are history buffs or atleast partially :)
Title: Odd P51 question
Post by: MiloMorai on October 23, 2007, 06:05:11 AM
I should add that the Soviets received some 1000 or so Spitfires Vs and IXs. Spit Vs fought the Germans during the battles of the Kuban.
Title: Odd P51 question
Post by: Whisky58 on October 23, 2007, 10:11:06 AM
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Originally posted by breg
Ohhh wow thats new I only read a little bit but I didnt know they flew in the battle of britan damn I need to brush up damn.... lol


Jeez breg, we were so desperate for pilots in the BoB we even let a few Yanks fly some Spits (as long as they removed their chewing gum first) ;)
Regards,