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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: midnight Target on October 14, 2007, 11:27:08 AM
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My wife's friend sent her this e-mail. I think it is mostly crap, but it is a good reminder of how people on the other side of the fence view the world.
1. The first Americans or Native Americans going back to 13,000 BC were black! Look up the Folsom people who lived in Arizona .
2. One of the best reasons to stop our use of the term African American and say Black. A white person who was born in Africa , who moves to America is An African American and qualifies for financial aid,
etc., but will get the jobs/pay privileges afforded to whites.
3. Look up the Slavery Law of 1665 (which stayed in effect until 1968 and the Maryland Doctrine of Exclusion (1638): both laws state that blacks must be excluded from the benefits afforded whites, and that
blacks must remain noncompetitive with whites, except in sports and entertainment.
4. Two white men: Bill Gates and Larry Elision, combined have more wealth than the combined wealth of all 36 million blacks in America. Civil Rights did not change the economic landscape or the balance
of power in America .
5. Asians received 80% of all government minority set aside contracts. Hello!!
6. Blacks eat more fish than whites by a 4 to 1 margin. For every dollar that whites spend on fish, blacks spend $9 on fish. Fish sold wholesale for $1 will retail at $2.50 - $3.00. Guess what business we should
be in as Blacks?
7. There isn't any black owned national cable, or major network television stations. Cathy Hughes, the black woman who owns our only black owned radio stations, plans to sell to white owners after hearing
the deal Bob Johnson received for selling BET. (Cathy Hughes is from OMAHA y'all!)
8. There are no black owned companies on the Wall Street Stock Exchange; where blacks own the majority or controlling interest of the stock.
9. Ninety-six percent (96%) of all black inmates are men.
10. Over the next two years 440,000 black inmates will be released from prison. The State has no place to put them as they re-enter society. A profitable business would be a Halfway house!
11. In 1860, 98% of all Blacks in America worked for White people. In 2001, 98% of all Blacks in America still work for white people.
12. In 1860, blacks in America had a combined net worth of one half of 1 percentage point. Guess what, in 2001, after Civil Rights, Jesse Jackson, Oprah, Shaq, NAACP, and Urban League, our combined net
worth is half a percentage point.
13. For every dollar earned by a Jewish person, that dollar touches 12 to 18 Jewish hands before it leaves their community. For every dollar earned by a black person it leaves the community soon as he or she
earns it. (this is why our communities goes bankrupt every night!!)
14. The last week of April 2003 in Washington , DC black teenagers were arrested and booked for eating McDonalds on the metro subway. Cops cited recent 5-4 court decision as the permission to arrest law breakers even for minor offenses.
15. Sixty-seven percent (67%) of all hate crimes in America are against blacks.
16. After we get through being pleased that we have carpet in our office, a secretary, our name on the door and make six figures, we do not own anything.
17. What will happen if you miss 6 months of work without pay? All we've left for our children is debt not an inheritance. You cannot pass welfare or food stamps onto our kids as a nest egg! We are not even
in the race.
18. By the way, the word "race" hit the English language in the 16th century when Europeans held a contest to see who will win the race to gather the lost wealth through exploitation of blacks.
19. You must read Powernomics by Claude Anderson . This is our blueprint to create wealth, not just have a job, but be a business owner, so you can hire people, be listed on the stock exchange,and develop
businesses to meet our needs.
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Who do you think the author of this email is looking at as the cause of these problems, and to whom for the solutions?
Identifying problems and talking about them is great... Hell, I complain as much as any 3 people out there. But what's the next move for the author of this email?
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Number 15 is a joke.
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If Black people are treated so unfairly in this country why do they stay? Africa is a huge continent and I'm sure many would be welcomed by more than a few African countries.
I think the fact is that every black person in this country has a much better life than they would have in Africa. It's long past time to chuck the victim mentality and start making one's own life here as many millions of black people have in fact done and found acceptance within white communities.
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1. The first Americans or Native Americans going back to 13,000 BC were black! Look up the Folsom people who lived in Arizona .
So Asian people are black?
Seems to me the most accepted theory of new world native migration comes accross the Bering land bridge from Asia.
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hmm... sounds like negros are not too good at figuring things out..
As for the hate crimes thing.. that was pretty low... if you define hate crime as being only whites doing something to another race....
The real truth is that negros are 7 times more likely to assault whites than vice versa.... now.. I am sure that none of those was done in love... or even "like"
They would all be hate crimes by any sane defenition.
Asians are simply smarter than other races... a little smarter than whites and lapping the field when it comes to negros.
every race has been persecuted... indians were slaughtered and had no rights... asians were used to do dangerous work and worked to death... as were many white immigrants... slavery however was stopped way back in the 1860's
The indians now own casinos and help each other in a huge way... the asians earned the respect of all and played the game and prospered.. the white immigrants worked their way into society....
The negro? welll...... he is still butchering his own and everyone around him and being just as childish and selfish as he can be... while blaming everyone and everything around him for his own failings.
lazs
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I think that email was written by someone with very little education and who is putting more effort in whining rather than getting off his arse and doing something productive.
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1. False
2. Correct except for this part: 'but will get the jobs/pay privileges afforded to whites'. Thats a bunch of bull. Maybe that was true in the 50's but not today.
When i was a supervisor in my last job I had to interview people applying for position in my team... and seeing both black and white folk come in with a very weak resume, dressed in ragged clothes or wearing gang like clothing and then expect me to consider them over the person that comes in with formal attire, a much better resume and experience is just laughable.
3. 1968 != 2007.
4. Civil Rights do not dictate personal success. I bet Tiger Woods and Oprah have more money than several million white folk put together.
5. mmm.. maybe because they worked hard for it?
6. Shrimpin'!
7. No, but the mentioned BET is something you can make a point about. If there was a White Entertainment TV station you'd be rioting on the streets.
8. Its more profitable to own the stocks than to own the company. Complaining about being smart?
9. False.
10. And a yellow brick road.
11. False.
12. False.
13. And this is not your fault because... ?
14. That race card must give you reward airline miles.
15. False.
16. the point is.. ?
17. You are in the race. You're just whining at the pit stop instead of getting back in there.
18. You have earned 10,000 miles on your race card. False too btw.
19. I buy lotto.
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I say quit whining already and learn how to play the game.
Its your own insecurity and persecution complex thats holding you down now more then anything anything the white man is doing.
Quit making excuses and throw off the crutches and learn to stand on your own.
I promise you willl get knocked down like the rest of us.
Question is. do you have the balls like the rest of us to get back up again.
and again, and again.
thats the difference these days between those to move forward and eventually succeed and those who just stay down and blame everyone but themselves
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I say quit whining already and learn how to play the game.
Its your own insecurity and persecution complex thats holding you down now more then anything anything the white man is doing.
Quit making excuses and throw off the crutches and learn to stand on your own.
I promise you willl get knocked down like the rest of us.
Question is. do you have the balls like the rest of us to get back up again.
and again, and again.
thats the difference these days between those to move forward and eventually succeed and those who just stay down and blame everyone but themselves
+10! Life is what you make it, not what is handed to you. Decide and then do something to make it better. Whining about it won't improve things. A fence can be climbed but only if you get off of your arse first.
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I had a Chief in the Coast Guard (black guy by the way) who used to spout this crap at work all the time. He got to talking about reparations one day and I finally lost it. I asked him point blank if he thought I owed him money since I am white and he is black. He told me yes I did. He went on talking about how blacks aren't allowed to succeed in this country and on and on. Finally I pointed out to him that as a black man he made almost $3000 more a month than I did, I worked for him, and that all the success he currently had he had earned on merrit and achievment in his rate as an ET in the Coast Guard. He had a nice wife, 2 kids, 2 cars, nice house, kids went to a good school, and he's telling me I owe him money because of his skin color.
After I had pointed all this out to him he just looked at me with this stuned expression on his face. I then asked him why he joined the Guard. He said if he hadn't he probably would have ended up dealing drugs or something in Detroit where he grew up. I told him that he was smarter than most of his friends then and if he really wanted to help his people then he should be an excample to them of what is possible instead of advocating anouther free handout.
I know plenty of successfull back people. They worked hard for what they have and they are proud of what they have accomplished. However I know many more black people that are totaly worthless to society. They think the world owes them everything and anyone who expects them to EARN something is trying to keep them down. It's all about the "bling" as long as they don't have to lift a finger for it.
To those folks I have this to say. Stop worrying about how your going to get those bigger wheels for your hooptie, buy a pair of pants that fit, a nice suit, leave the freakin fake gold and ebonics at home and go out and get an education and a job and WORK at it. Don't expect to start at the top, your going to have to EARN your way to the top.
Guess what.....that's how 99.9% us white folks have to do it too. Nothing was ever handed to me because I'm white. If anything we have to work harder for anything we get now. In this day and age there is an emerging a common truth. White pennis need not apply.
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Hey MT -
definition of a fanatic/lunatic: 1) they never change their mind, and 2) they never change the subject.
You sound like a broken record, my friend. I can tell what your response will be to any thread before you even post it.
You bore me, dude.
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WOW.... okay
This one is for MT: :huh
This one is for Laz: :huh
Grab a peice of reality chumps..it's free.
RTR
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Originally posted by RTR
WOW.... okay
This one is for MT: :huh
This one is for Laz: :huh
Grab a peice of reality chumps..it's free.
RTR
(http://www.wcsh6.com/assetpool/images/0710415586_bonaduce.jpg)
"Reality Chumps"
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Originally posted by Neubob
(http://www.wcsh6.com/assetpool/images/0710415586_bonaduce.jpg)
"Reality Chumps"
Got a bigger version of that pic? I can't make out what it is.
Mark
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I can't make it out either.
But pre-emptive:lol anyway.
RTR
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(http://jam.canoe.ca/Television/2007/10/10/e101016A.jpg)
(http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/051017/051017_johnnyfairplay_vmed.widec.jpg)
Sorry but I just couldn't find a better version of the action shot that works.
Joke failed :(
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6. Blacks eat more fish than whites by a 4 to 1 margin. For every dollar that whites spend on fish, blacks spend $9 on fish. Fish sold wholesale for $1 will retail at $2.50 - $3.00. Guess what business we should
Now hiring bait cutters.
Apply within.
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I see a lot of misinformation in that MT.
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hey RTR... I got an idea...
Why don't you tell me and MT what is involved with your "reality"
Nobody likes a whiner... negros whine so much that people flat out avoid em if the can. Nobody likes to be blamed for other peoples failings.... negros blame everyone else for their failings so much that people flat out avoid em.
They are getting worse... they went from a gospel/motown culture to a rap culture. They went from a race with stable marriage rates to the worlds worst... rare any of em have any idea who the father is.
They commit more crime than any other race... more drug addicted...
A very few are not buying it tho and are joining the middle class... I applaud that but.. even so.. as was shown in an example above about the coast guard.... they still whine in the most annoying and silly way.
In my case it is the one fireman who is negro that we have...he has had his life handed to him and has it made yet.... he sees persecution everywhere... take any of the mandatory "harassment" classes or such with him and see him turn it into some discussion about how rough it is to be a negro..
I was proud that at least the last time he spoke up there was an audible groan from everyone else.
lazs
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Interesting MT, thanks for sharing.
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Originally posted by rpm
I see a lot of misinformation in that MT.
MT wasn't purporting it. He was just showing us how they think.
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Adapt or die.
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Does everyone really feel there is a level playing field? Are you all really that naive or just in denial? Being a 30 yr old white male I can even see the differences yet so many on here think its fair. :lol Not saying they don't have a chance but come on now the cards are stacked against them.
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Originally posted by parker00
Does everyone really feel there is a level playing field? Are you all really that naive or just in denial? Being a 30 yr old white male I can even see the differences yet so many on here think its fair. :lol Not saying they don't have a chance but come on now the cards are stacked against them.
Yup... The playing field is not level.
Admissions departments at the undergraduate, as well as graduate level give them breaks, both on GPAs as well as standardized tests. They have more organizations working for them to create scholarship funds. On a social level, it's perfectly acceptable for them to complain about the whites, and at the same time, perfectly acceptable for them to not hear a single word in response.
Plenty of other races have been marginalized in this nation, but not a single one has been this proficient at milking the sympathy, or torpedoing their own chances at any sort of upward mobility.
It may not always be fair, but it also never has been, for anybody. Asians, Hispanics, immigrants from all over the world... People come here with less than the blacks have at birth. They come with no money, no language, no friends, and few connections. Yet somehow, within a generation or so, the bulk of them pull themselves up, take advantage of the opportunities, and move on... All the while listening to how hard the blacks have had it.
Your continued empathy is what's naive, and it's also boring. Just keep spoon-feeding their self-loathing sense of entitlement and see how that helps the 'playing field'. In the meantime listen to some rap lyrics and try to pinpoint exactly where Black America's value systems is headed.
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Originally posted by Neubob
Yup... The playing field is not level.
Admissions departments at the undergraduate, as well as graduate level give them breaks, both on GPAs as well as standardized tests. They have more organizations working for them to create scholarship funds. On a social level, it's perfectly acceptable for them to complain about the whites, and at the same time, perfectly acceptable for them to not hear a single word in response.
Plenty of other races have been marginalized in this nation, but not a single one has been this proficient at milking the sympathy, or torpedoing their own chances at any sort of upward mobility.
It may not always be fair, but it also never has been, for anybody. Asians, Hispanics, immigrants from all over the world... People come here with less than the blacks have at birth. They come with no money, no language, no friends, and few connections. Yet somehow, within a generation or so, the bulk of them pull themselves up, take advantage of the opportunities, and move on... All the while listening to how hard the blacks have had it.
Your continued empathy is what's naive, and it's also boring. Just keep spoon-feeding their self-loathing sense of entitlement and see how that helps the 'playing field'. In the meantime listen to some rap lyrics and try to pinpoint exactly where Black America's value systems is headed.
I used to think just like you but really once I got out and starting working for both small and corporate employers I can easily see a difference. I had several jobs working for small mom and pop companys that I would say 4 out 5 actually told me they would not hire a black person. And not a one of them ever did while I worked there. Then I got a job with one of the largest telecommunication companies in the world and at first glance I thought it was different. Many black co-workers and even a couple black bosses. But then one day our VPs had a all-hands meeting and there where 12 of them on a stage. 1 black man, 1 white women and 10 old white men. Then I noticed in my department there were several black people who half of them had degrees and worked very hard. Myself not having a background in computers (never even seen the internet until I started there) and no college education at all, I was promoted above all of them. I don't have a single black boss all the way to CEO. Sorry but the naive person is you and those like you.
Like I said before, I know they have a chance but really the chance is small.
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Sorry but I must disagree about the race of the Folsum People.
With that called into question that nullify's or calls into question everything else said. If your going to build a post based on a single point, make DARN sure that point is verifiable.
You will find below Snippage, then below it the link where said snippage can be found........................ .
Scientist can merely speculate on the appearance of these ancient people, for no skeletal remains have been found. From the slim evidence left behind, they were nomads who knew the use of fire, made their own weapons and were skilled hunters.
http://folsommuseum.netfirms.com/folsomman.htm
You had ask a question regarding the Folsom People of New Mexico as a race of African American's. The reply given was they were Asian and Caucasian. As an expert Acheologist, what prompt you to question the Race Ethnic of these historical race of people?
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Archaeology-654/Folsom-People-New-Mexico-1.htm
Ainu Theory- I support the theory that the ancestors of the present Ainu People of Japan may have been the people we refer to as the Clovis, Folsom People. These Caucasoid featured people created magnificent points which were not equaled for thousands of years after their disappearance. We do not know if they disappeared from disease or whether they intermarried with those who arrived later, but their points can certainly be referred to as fine art.
http://naturalfrequency.net/Ray/clovisfolsom.htm
From the Declaration of Independence
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
All Babies born are created equal. Everyone comes into this world naked, virtually toothless, and helpless. What we DO with what we are given makes a huge difference. In short, everyone gets a life, how long a life is often out of our control.
Liberty, no one has the right to be sold as a slave. That is not to say you can not contract yourself into the same or equal state. But that was YOUR choice.
Pursuit of happiness, not promised, or delivered, but we are allowed to PURSUE our own happiness. Again, what we get is up to us and what we pursue. And how hard we pursue it. Its not up to the Government to give it to us, its up to us to go out and work for it.
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parker... at age 30 you may think you have uncovered some great truth... hell... must be true..the media tells you it is but..
As you get older and look around... you may develop a more rational and pragmatic viewpoint.
Why do you suppose that the people you talked to did not want to hire negros?
lazs
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Originally posted by parker00
I used to think just like you but really once I got out and starting working for both small and corporate employers I can easily see a difference. I had several jobs working for small mom and pop companys that I would say 4 out 5 actually told me they would not hire a black person. And not a one of them ever did while I worked there. Then I got a job with one of the largest telecommunication companies in the world and at first glance I thought it was different. Many black co-workers and even a couple black bosses. But then one day our VPs had a all-hands meeting and there where 12 of them on a stage. 1 black man, 1 white women and 10 old white men. Then I noticed in my department there were several black people who half of them had degrees and worked very hard. Myself not having a background in computers (never even seen the internet until I started there) and no college education at all, I was promoted above all of them. I don't have a single black boss all the way to CEO. Sorry but the naive person is you and those like you.
Like I said before, I know they have a chance but really the chance is small.
Did you ever stop to think that the prejudice of the small business owners wasn't based off of mere whim? And that something happened that caused them to think that way?
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Originally posted by parker00
I used to think just like you but really once I got out and starting working for both small and corporate employers I can easily see a difference. I had several jobs working for small mom and pop companys that I would say 4 out 5 actually told me they would not hire a black person. And not a one of them ever did while I worked there. Then I got a job with one of the largest telecommunication companies in the world and at first glance I thought it was different. Many black co-workers and even a couple black bosses. But then one day our VPs had a all-hands meeting and there where 12 of them on a stage. 1 black man, 1 white women and 10 old white men. Then I noticed in my department there were several black people who half of them had degrees and worked very hard. Myself not having a background in computers (never even seen the internet until I started there) and no college education at all, I was promoted above all of them. I don't have a single black boss all the way to CEO. Sorry but the naive person is you and those like you.
Like I said before, I know they have a chance but really the chance is small.
Of course they don't hire them at the same rates--and it's not because their skin doesn't reflect as much light as that of their co-workers.
Blacks aren't educated at the same rates, and don't commit crimes at the same rates. If you want to blame white america for this, go ahead, but that's just another example of the same pandering that has gotten them nowhere. The fact that you were promoted ahead of somebody else is no reason to start making policy to 'even things out' across the board. The fact is, most of their problems are spawned within the black community, by the attitudes of their parents and role models.
The blacks aren't the first to be oppressed. I will repeat this again. They are not the first. The Irish, the Chinese, the Asians... They all had these problems. They were all held back for who they were. For some reason, you don't hear them whining and complaining about it. They made do, went out on their own, became independent of the system that was oppressing, or simply learned to provide an indispensible service. You can see it even today--especially with the Chinese. They come here and start businesses. They bust their butts... They save up, live frugally and send their kids to college. They are known for this... And yet these are the same people who were treated like in the late 19th century.
So far, black America has only industrialized the process of pointing fingers and making up excuses. And with recruits such as yourself carrying their message into the new century, I'm sure it will not stop anytime soon.
They've already got a Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton ready to start a riot at the drop of a hat. If you want to stand alongside them and preach, go ahead, but don't expect much sympathy. Enough is enough.
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MT, do you consider this a top water lure? Or is it a shallow running spinner?
BTW, be careful; Fish & Game may want to see your license and check the live box. I think you're over the limit and some may not meet the size requirement.
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Originally posted by Toad
MT, do you consider this a top water lure? Or is it a shallow running spinner?
BTW, be careful; Fish & Game may want to see your license and check the live box. I think you're over the limit and some may not meet the size requirement.
more like the illegal use of 5 miles of trotline using live bait, on an inland body of water. (well, illegal in this state anyway.)
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Originally posted by DieAz
more like the illegal use of 5 miles of trotline using live bait, on an inland body of water. (well, illegal in this state anyway.)
more like a couple of bundles of these:
(http://webtown.typepad.com/webtown/dynamite_1.jpg)
LOL
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Originally posted by Druss
Hey MT -
definition of a fanatic/lunatic: 1) they never change their mind, and 2) they never change the subject.
You sound like a broken record, my friend. I can tell what your response will be to any thread before you even post it.
You bore me, dude.
Guess what I'm thinking now...
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you should be thinking...
how come we blacks have 72% illegitimate children.
how come we graduate HS at just 30%
Let's look at poverty in female-headed households. Divorce and death of the father might explain a small part of why there're so many female-headed households. But the bulk of it is explained by people having children and not getting married in the first place. Having children is not an act of God. It's not like you're walking down the street and pregnancy strikes you; children are a result of a conscious decision. For the most part female-headed households are the result of short-sighted, self-destructive behavior of one or two people. They might have bought into the nonsense of "experts" like John Hopkins University sociologist Professor Andrew Cherlin who said, "It has yet to be shown that the absence of a father was directly responsible for any of the supposed deficiencies of broken homes." The real issue, according to Professor Cherlin "is not the lack of male presence but the lack of male income." That's a call for fathers to be replaced by a government welfare check.
Most middle class Americans, including black Americans, are no more than one, two or three generations out of poverty. How did they manage this feat; what's the secret for avoiding poverty? I think it's a no-brainer. Finish high school and take a job, any kind of a job. Today, but not when I graduated in 1954, if a person graduates from high school, with even a C average, there is a college or some kind of skills training program somewhere for him and often financial assistance to boot.
Walter E. Williams http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles/03/povamerica.html
In 1960, only 28 percent of black females ages 15 to 44 were never married and illegitimacy among blacks was 22 percent. Today, the never-married rate is 56 percent and illegitimacy stands at 70 percent. If today's black family structure were what it was in 1960, the overall black poverty rate would be in or near single digits. The weakening of the black family structure, and its devastating consequences, have nothing to do with the history of slavery or racial discrimination.
http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles/05/poverty.html
http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles/03/poverty.html
http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles/03/poverty.html
http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles/02/poverty.html
I can do this all day, like shooting fish in a barrel.
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Originally posted by JBA
like shooting fish in a barrel.
it sure is..
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Originally posted by JBA
you should be thinking...
how come we blacks have 72% illegitimate children.
how come we graduate HS at just 30%
Let's look at poverty in female-headed households. Divorce and death of the father might explain a small part of why there're so many female-headed households. But the bulk of it is explained by people having children and not getting married in the first place. Having children is not an act of God. It's not like you're walking down the street and pregnancy strikes you; children are a result of a conscious decision. For the most part female-headed households are the result of short-sighted, self-destructive behavior of one or two people. They might have bought into the nonsense of "experts" like John Hopkins University sociologist Professor Andrew Cherlin who said, "It has yet to be shown that the absence of a father was directly responsible for any of the supposed deficiencies of broken homes." The real issue, according to Professor Cherlin "is not the lack of male presence but the lack of male income." That's a call for fathers to be replaced by a government welfare check.
Most middle class Americans, including black Americans, are no more than one, two or three generations out of poverty. How did they manage this feat; what's the secret for avoiding poverty? I think it's a no-brainer. Finish high school and take a job, any kind of a job. Today, but not when I graduated in 1954, if a person graduates from high school, with even a C average, there is a college or some kind of skills training program somewhere for him and often financial assistance to boot.
Walter E. Williams http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles/03/povamerica.html
In 1960, only 28 percent of black females ages 15 to 44 were never married and illegitimacy among blacks was 22 percent. Today, the never-married rate is 56 percent and illegitimacy stands at 70 percent. If today's black family structure were what it was in 1960, the overall black poverty rate would be in or near single digits. The weakening of the black family structure, and its devastating consequences, have nothing to do with the history of slavery or racial discrimination.
http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles/05/poverty.html
http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles/03/poverty.html
http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles/03/poverty.html
http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles/02/poverty.html
I can do this all day, like shooting fish in a barrel.
It's the culture that affects the black youth...It's destructive. The "All you needs' is you homies" attitude, that leads to lives of crime, of the negligence of education, of immersion into drugs.
And it's slowly spreading through all the races' in the U.S. It's just strongest among the black population, right now.
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Originally posted by parker00
Does everyone really feel there is a level playing field? Are you all really that naive or just in denial? Being a 30 yr old white male I can even see the differences yet so many on here think its fair. :lol Not saying they don't have a chance but come on now the cards are stacked against them.
there is no level playing feild. For anyone.
No matter what your race. Unless your born into money. Or get VERY lucky.
Its an uphill battle with people and life rolling big boulders down upon you all the way up.
I see alot of people of all races who make it. and alot of people from all races who dont.
And alot who never even try. Who bring themselves down. or hold themselves down.
I see very few instances of one group holding another down anymore.
But there will always be people who try no matter what and for varying reasons.
From race, to they dont like your style of haircut.
That life. Life is unfair.
Like I told both my kids and my daughter a couple of weeks ago when she claimed something "wasnt fair."
"Get used to it. Life is often anything but fair. the difference is in how you deal with it. You can lay down and quit. or you can get up and try again. and again, and again untill you succeed."
But I dont beleive in coddling kids from the unpleasentries of life in the world. I do thm no favors by doing so. And in fact view such a thing as being irresponcable as they are one day going to have to actually survive and thrive or wither in it all on their own without me there to protect them
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Hey MT -
definition of a fanatic/lunatic: 1) they never change their mind, and 2) they never change the subject.
You sound like a broken record, my friend. I can tell what your response will be to any thread before you even post it.
You bore me, dude.
Guess what I'm thinking now..."
That you want to whine and cry some more. Ha Ha! I'm sorry but I can't take you seriously anymore. You aren't a real person, you are a caracature! I'm putting you on ignore until you grow up. So long little boy!
LOL.
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Please put me on ignore, cause you are obviously lacking in reading comprehension skills. I really hate to "type" down a level. Maybe after you graduate you'll pick up some of the subtleties and learn to enjoy my prose. Then again... maybe not.
Just for fun though... read my first post. Which of those items did I say I agreed with?
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Thanks MT.. it is always good to put this stuff out there to educate the likes of parker..
It is also uplifting to see that so many are paying attention to what is really going on and finally getting it.
I would never work with women or negros if I had the choice... I can and I would if I had to but... work is tough enough.. why make it more uncomfortable if you don't have to?
Married people don't mind near so much tho since they are used to walking on eggs all the time. I don't really want to put up with it if I don't have to. Having to be careful what you say or how it is taken... boring.
lazs
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Originally posted by midnight Target
it sure is..
shooting down your "I’m just a victim" is getting boring and to easy.
No educated Black man or woman agrees with you unless they have a stack in keeping the races agitated. i.e. Jackson or sharpton or the Democratic party.
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This thread gets me to wondering ... do European heritage Americans going to live in Africa become American-Africans or Euro-Amer-Africans? Do white people born in Africa who come to live in America become African-Americans?
Come to think of it, continental origin may not be the most accurate description of race.
Neither is skin color since many whites are dark and many blacks are light and many are in between.
Will be nice when we don't have to get more specific than human.
Of course that's if females will continue to accept being part of feMALE and huMAN.
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I reread the letter MT. I did not notice your first line. I jumped the gun.
My apologies.
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Accepted... group hug.
Maybe JBA should learn to read too.
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Thanks, MT. :)
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
I know some racist whites... but the most racist folks I know are non white.
I am where I am today through hard work not because of my color.... those who blame their color for their problems have been losers all their life... because of themselves. I have several neighbors of color and they do well... very well indeed. But then they are not the types that blame any of their short comings on everyone else.
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Halo,
Its interesting you mention that. A while back (a year or two i believe) there was an instance of a school holding a pageant for both male and female students and the categories were split by race/ethnicity. So you had boys and girls 'winning' their categories (asian-american, african-american and 'american' ).
The parents of the african-american contestants put up a protest because a pale white, blue-eyed blonde boy had entered the contest under the african-american category.
Interestingly enough, the boy defended his right to be in that category and won. He proved he was the only one competing that fit the term 'african american'. He was born in south africa, was a south african citizen and an american citizen and his family had moved to the US a year or so earlier.
I think Jesse jackson's hemorroids nearly choked him to death when he learned of this.
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Originally posted by Tac
I think Jesse jackson's hemorroids nearly choked him to death when he learned of this.
One species discriminating and acting with violence against one of like kind. Hemmoroid on hemmoroid violence must be stopped.:D
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Bell Curve Reduex? (http://news.independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article3067222.ece)
I never read the book but I remember seeing the chart. In my opinion it is probably true but irrelavent at least at an individual level.
Because of how the curves overlap, there are large numbers of blacks that would end up smarter than large number of whites; and large numbers of blacks and whites more itellegent than large numbers of asians. The trending difference only holds true for a massive sample size. any single individual could be anywhere in that overlappng curve space.
So at an individual level, your best bet is to judge each person, employee, etc individually.
$0.02,
Wab
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yes.. that is about right wabbit but you can also generalize from the chart when making general statements.
It is like saying that negros will attack whites 7 times more often than vice versa.. it only points out a general trend.. individuals are different.
If you have nothing else to go on tho.. it is best to realize that negros are not as smart and more violent and prone to rape than whites.
If 10 times more negros than whites file discrimination suits and you have two almost equal employees to choose from... one white and one negro... and.. you had nothing else to go on...you would be stupid to pick the negro and set yourself up
It is about risk management for me. The rules are not set in stone but the bell curve and the FBI stats are worth keeping in mind.
To not do so is just folly.. it is like ignoring appearance because not everyone who is wearing gang clothing and has prison tats is a bad guy.
lazs
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http://news.independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article3067222.ece
Fury at DNA pioneer's theory: Africans are less intelligent than Westerners
Celebrated scientist attacked for race comments: "All our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours - whereas all the testing says not really"
By Cahal Milmo
Published: 17 October 2007
One of the world's most eminent scientists was embroiled in an extraordinary row last night after he claimed that black people were less intelligent than white people and the idea that "equal powers of reason" were shared across racial groups was a delusion.
James Watson, a Nobel Prize winner for his part in the unravelling of DNA who now runs one of America's leading scientific research institutions, drew widespread condemnation for comments he made ahead of his arrival in Britain today for a speaking tour at venues including the Science Museum in London.
The 79-year-old geneticist reopened the explosive debate about race and science in a newspaper interview in which he said Western policies towards African countries were wrongly based on an assumption that black people were as clever as their white counterparts when "testing" suggested the contrary. He claimed genes responsible for creating differences in human intelligence could be found within a decade.
The newly formed Equality and Human Rights Commission, successor to the Commission for Racial Equality, said it was studying Dr Watson's remarks " in full". Dr Watson told The Sunday Times that he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours – whereas all the testing says not really". He said there was a natural desire that all human beings should be equal but "people who have to deal with black employees find this not true".
His views are also reflected in a book published next week, in which he writes: "There is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so."
The furore echoes the controversy created in the 1990s by The Bell Curve, a book co-authored by the American political scientist Charles Murray, which suggested differences in IQ were genetic and discussed the implications of a racial divide in intelligence. The work was heavily criticised across the world, in particular by leading scientists who described it as a work of " scientific racism".
Dr Watson arrives in Britain today for a speaking tour to publicise his latest book, Avoid Boring People: Lessons from a Life in Science. Among his first engagements is a speech to an audience at the Science Museum organised by the Dana Centre, which held a discussion last night on the history of scientific racism.
Critics of Dr Watson said there should be a robust response to his views across the spheres of politics and science. Keith Vaz, the Labour chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee, said: "It is sad to see a scientist of such achievement making such baseless, unscientific and extremely offensive comments. I am sure the scientific community will roundly reject what appear to be Dr Watson's personal prejudices.
"These comments serve as a reminder of the attitudes which can still exists at the highest professional levels."
The American scientist earned a place in the history of great scientific breakthroughs of the 20th century when he worked at the University of Cambridge in the 1950s and 1960s and formed part of the team which discovered the structure of DNA. He shared the 1962 Nobel Prize for medicine with his British colleague Francis Crick and New Zealand-born Maurice Wilkins.
But despite serving for 50 years as a director of the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory on Long Island, considered a world leader in research into cancer and genetics, Dr Watson has frequently courted controversy with some of his views on politics, sexuality and race. The respected journal Science wrote in 1990: "To many in the scientific community, Watson has long been something of a wild man, and his colleagues tend to hold their collective breath whenever he veers from the script."
In 1997, he told a British newspaper that a woman should have the right to abort her unborn child if tests could determine it would be homosexual. He later insisted he was talking about a "hypothetical" choice which could never be applied. He has also suggested a link between skin colour and sex drive, positing the theory that black people have higher libidos, and argued in favour of genetic screening and engineering on the basis that " stupidity" could one day be cured. He has claimed that beauty could be genetically manufactured, saying: "People say it would be terrible if we made all girls pretty. I think it would great."
The Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory said yesterday that Dr Watson could not be contacted to comment on his remarks.
Steven Rose, a professor of biological sciences at the Open University and a founder member of the Society for Social Responsibility in Science, said: " This is Watson at his most scandalous. He has said similar things about women before but I have never heard him get into this racist terrain. If he knew the literature in the subject he would know he was out of his depth scientifically, quite apart from socially and politically."
Anti-racism campaigners called for Dr Watson's remarks to be looked at in the context of racial hatred laws. A spokesman for the 1990 Trust, a black human rights group, said: "It is astonishing that a man of such distinction should make comments that seem to perpetuate racism in this way. It amounts to fuelling bigotry and we would like it to be looked at for grounds of legal complaint."
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*gets another kettle of popcorn*