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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: tatour on October 15, 2007, 08:50:57 PM
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ew needs new maps .... this is getting boring
i hate lw bc there is no logic to it but, up a plane, travel across map,get a kill and get hoed ( where is fun there ) or run into a hoard
mid war is ok but same maps as ew, but with an extra map, that i see once a month,and it is so messed up that i cant even play it and have fun on it.
now i pay my 15 bucs a month, why cant we have new maps in ew?
Kinda getting old
i come here to have fun,so before the lw guys come here and say anything, i can give 2 chits you have your maps... stay there for all i care.I pay my fee just like you guys.
All i am saying is ............................. EARLYWAR needs new maps
Tatour
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What?
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Originally posted by Meatwad
What?
ok wad let me put it this way ... I ONLY PLAY EARLY WAR MAPS
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Your missing all the fun of the other maps
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Originally posted by tatour
ew needs new maps
FWIW.....
HTC wants bases in MA arenas to be a fair distance apart. I'm sure there's a good reason for this.
However, the speeds of EW planes are so slow that there ought to be an adjustment, seems to me, in the distance between bases for the EW arena.
Mapmakers may be able to convert some of our fine AvA maps, but HTC approval will still be required.
- oldman
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kinda funny how the person sayin "we need new maps" is a noob?:rofl
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I think someone dropped out of the HiTecK ScKool of PunKtuashun and GraMmer.
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Originally posted by redman555
kinda funny how the person sayin "we need new maps" is a noob?:rofl
Red, Tatour has been around for a while (2+ years). He just doesn't come to the boards that often.
Obie
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Sir, my recommendation to you, start making them.
Yes I agree that both EW and MW need new maps. HTC does NOT have the time for this, this is a need that can be addressed by the community.
So get together, pool resources, and get to work. Once you have a product ready for testing contact HTC. I think you will find that if you are polite, and talk to them reasonably they'll take a look at your map. Then tell you what they feel needs changing and why.
And yes I agree with Oldman that for EW and perhaps MW the distance needs to be shortened.
To short and you can be drawing enemy puffy ack on takeoff from your field.
But certainly no need to fly 30 miles in EW to get to an enemy base.
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if i am right you can make a map for the early arena with the bases at shorter distances apart.
The minimum distance before ack starts going nuts is 18 miles i believe.
if you want a new map draw out your idea and send it in to skuzzy.If he says that would work down load the teraain editor program and make the map.
ITS THAT SIMPLE
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Sir, my recommendation to you, start making them.
That is so wrong in so many ways Ghosth. The maps do exist. All they have to do put them back into circulation or allow some of the AvA maps to be used. I pay them to enjoy playing a very good game and that is where is stops. I thank them for it every month for the past 5 years, but I don't have the time to work for them for free or even if they did pay me.
If some customers decided to make some maps that is great. It should not be a requirement of the customers to create those maps. The way it stands now, I could spent the time to make a map only to have the requirements change a week after I am done and have it thrown away.
Where are those maps anyway? Why not put them into circulation and let us decide if we like them or not. Anything is better than nothing at this point.
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The problem Dedalos is that those old maps are all way way out of date.
Yes some of the AvA maps could be used in EW or MW. I suggest you call HTC and suggest that. In fact I suggest that a LOT of people do so.
However on the old maps its not as simple as just dust them off and put them back in. The objects used were different, the whole game engine has changed over time.
To redo those maps means they have to be rebuilt FROM SCRATCH!
HTC obviously does not have the time to do this along with everything else they do.
If you don't choose to help, thats your choice. However, if you want maps, fine, then take the time and give some back to the community. Map making is incredibly difficult, time consuming, and for the most part thankless task.
However the support is there with the CM map makers and the forums.
I'll say it again and I'll continue to say it, you want maps, go to work.
I think you'll find HTC more than willing to work with you if your reasonable.
Of course if you don't choose to do so thats your right. But in my opinion until you've spent months building a map you havn't earned the right to complain about the lack of them.
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Originally posted by Ghosth
The problem Dedalos is that those old maps are all way way out of date.
Yes some of the AvA maps could be used in EW or MW. I suggest you call HTC and suggest that. In fact I suggest that a LOT of people do so.
However on the old maps its not as simple as just dust them off and put them back in. The objects used were different, the whole game engine has changed over time.
To redo those maps means they have to be rebuilt FROM SCRATCH!
HTC obviously does not have the time to do this along with everything else they do.
If you don't choose to help, thats your choice. However, if you want maps, fine, then take the time and give some back to the community. Map making is incredibly difficult, time consuming, and for the most part thankless task.
However the support is there with the CM map makers and the forums.
I'll say it again and I'll continue to say it, you want maps, go to work.
I think you'll find HTC more than willing to work with you if your reasonable.
Of course if you don't choose to do so thats your right. But in my opinion until you've spent months building a map you havn't earned the right to complain about the lack of them.
I earned the right to voice my opinion about the game the first time they ran my credit card through. I give to the community as match as the community gives me. No more no less. As you said, it is very hard to create a map is I would think it is easier to fix the old ones than to create new.
Do you have the same attitude with all your service providers? Maybe I should design my own airplanes and flight models or that altitude applies to maps only?
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Ded
I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. There are people who take, there are people who contribute, and there are people who only offer opinions or criticism.
You're a smart guy and a pretty fine stick and I think you'd be a valuable resource to someone who is making maps that fit the current software. FAR better than me in fact. Yet I have spent several hours flying, driving, and boating, on a map, for a friend of mine on a map he has created.
If you don't want to make maps, skins, etc, how about offering constructive criticism of the ones that are in the works?
Sure this is a retail product. Your $15 bucks a month gives you the right to A) play it as is B) complain that the product doesn't meet expectations C) voice your public dissatisfaction of the product vs value or D) take your monthly contribution to HTC and find something else to play.
Just my opinion for what it's worth.
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
Ded
I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. There are people who take, there are people who contribute, and there are people who only offer opinions or criticism.
You're a smart guy and a pretty fine stick and I think you'd be a valuable resource to someone who is making maps that fit the current software. FAR better than me in fact. Yet I have spent several hours flying, driving, and boating, on a map, for a friend of mine on a map he has created.
If you don't want to make maps, skins, etc, how about offering constructive criticism of the ones that are in the works?
Sure this is a retail product. Your $15 bucks a month gives you the right to A) play it as is B) complain that the product doesn't meet expectations C) voice your public dissatisfaction of the product vs value or D) take your monthly contribution to HTC and find something else to play.
Just my opinion for what it's worth.
Its not that I don't want. I have tried three times to create a map. However, I have 2 little kids, a wife a dog, a job, etc. i just don't have the time. I help as match as I can, but that is all I can do. How do you feel the people that did the new maps feel after putting in the effort to create the maps only to see them pull a few months after? Someone took the effort to convert the uterus and the beta maps. That effort could have been spent on the others.
In any case, I don't think it is unreasonable to ask for some of the old maps back. I did not ask for them to be done tomorrow nor did I threaten to quite if I did not get my way. However, it would be nice to have them. By the way, this is constructive criticism. Telling someone to go create his own is not.
I have no idea what is in the works and as you know, if you dont agree with something in this game you are just a whiner. Your opinion is only valid if you agree with everything going on.
So, its not that I don't want to give. I just can't. However, when you have problems with your ISP you ask for improvements don't you? How would you like it if you were told to go create your own internet connection if you did not like their service. Would you accept that? HT does not provide a community service. He is running a business and to be successful he needs the input of his customers (even the bad ones like me). He can then decide what to do.
If you notice, the go do it yourself came from another customer not the company. So really, it has as match weight as my give me more.
So, what exactly do you disagree with? You don't want more maps? Am I the only one asking for them? You disagree that the customers should not be required to do development work for free? Are you saying that all I have to offer are opinions? Isn't that what everyone in this thread did? Are only the only acceptable opinions the ones that talk about how great everything is?
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Originally posted by dedalos
I earned the right to voice my opinion about the game the first time they ran my credit card through. I give to the community as match as the community gives me. No more no less. As you said, it is very hard to create a map is I would think it is easier to fix the old ones than to create new.
Do you have the same attitude with all your service providers? Maybe I should design my own airplanes and flight models or that altitude applies to maps only?
You didn't "earn" anything, you paid for the use of HTC's servers and their game. The game we have now could possibly be the only game they are going to put out for awhile, these maps included. You don't like it, don't waste your money on it.
Your "demanding" HTC do something about the maps carries about as much weight as if you "demand" your ISP do something about your connection.... none. Your only option is to not send your money to them any more.
Suggesting to a subscriber to build his own map is just that, a suggestion. I, like you have a life outside the game, and while I would love to "contribute" by building maps or skins, I just don't have the time. On the other hand, why would you try to poison someones thinking with comments like "its not our place to build maps, that HTC job" , "we shouldn't have to fix their game", "Thats what I pay them for!" or many of the other comments posted here. Great, you don't have the time, but don't discourage others from taking the time. to add to the game.
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
You didn't "earn" anything, you paid for the use of HTC's servers and their game. The game we have now could possibly be the only game they are going to put out for awhile, these maps included. You don't like it, don't waste your money on it.
Huh? Where did I say I did not like it? So, I can't ask for anything more especially when I know it already exists? Its OK though. i got the same responses when I asked for a perma squelch future so the kids don't have to hear what the community has to offer.
Your "demanding" HTC do something about the maps carries about as much weight as if you "demand" your ISP do something about your connection.... none. Your only option is to not send your money to them any more.
really??? If your connection doe snot work you don't ask to be fixed? You wait for some other customer to create a new one and hope you can can use it?
I am not demanding anything btw. Those are your words.
Suggesting to a subscriber to build his own map is just that, a suggestion. I, like you have a life outside the game, and while I would love to "contribute" by building maps or skins, I just don't have the time. On the other hand, why would you try to poison someones thinking with comments like "its not our place to build maps, that HTC job" , "we shouldn't have to fix their game", "Thats what I pay them for!" or many of the other comments posted here. Great, you don't have the time, but don't discourage others from taking the time. to add to the game.
Yeah, but that is the answer every time someone asks for a new map for the past 5 years. More over, it comes from the customers not HT. Who exactly do you people think you are to know what HT is or isn't capable of or how match time they have. Converting one of the old maps could be a 1 month job or if they have some converter program it could be 30 seconds. Who exactly are you to claim you know so match about HT :rofl
I ask, and if they can fine. If they can't I'll ask again latter. What I don't need is some one I did not ask for anything and is not his job to answer the question telling me why I should not have it.
I am not discouraging or poisoning anything. If any one wants and has the time to create a map great. I just don't think it should be the customers job to do it. Do you understand the difference?
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Originally posted by Ghosth
However on the old maps its not as simple as just dust them off and put them back in. The objects used were different, the whole game engine has changed over time.
To redo those maps means they have to be rebuilt FROM SCRATCH!
Oh God why can't I keep out of stuff like this? :(
Not true, all of the MA maps on the download page are up to date for the current version and can be used.
Going back into my shell that lasted almost 2 days. :furious
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Hehe NHawk, i managed to resist posting in this thread;)
oops!doh