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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: 1K3 on October 16, 2007, 05:28:38 PM
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:cool:
Image removed for copyright violation Don't do that again.
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It is ugly, and won't get chicks like a vette.
Still gota love the performance if its true.
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WOW, under 80K, is it limited to one to a customer?
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wow, looks like an Aston Martin, only ugly...:cool:
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
It is ugly, and won't get chicks like a vette.
Still gota love the performance if its true.
Rather it's a hunk and nerd magnet:D
As for the performance... Corvette Z06 is way out of the league in the Nurburgring circuit vs the GT-R (c'mon GM, hurry the C7s if they want to stay in the top). GT-R beats the Porsche Turbo in the Nurgurgring by 2 seconds (unofficial lap time of 7:38 for GT-R). Nissan is confident and now aims to break the Porsche GT2's record.
EDIT: The standard GT-R trim doesn't even come with manual transmission
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I like the way it looks. IIRC other R-style cars had no special looks to them.
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The December issue is out already? We're not even into November...
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Love it or Hate it
more pics (OFFICIAL Photos)
http://www.r35gtr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24
The embargo of the Nissan (Skyline) GT-R in North America has finally been lifted:aok
After months of spy shots and drip-fed teasers Nissan’s all new GT-R super-coupe has been revealed with the early release of the December issue of MotorTrend. The tagline on the magazine’s cover claims the car is as fast as the Porsche 911 Turbo and is priced less than $80,000, confirming rumors the new GT-R will set a new standard in bang-for-your-buck comparisons.
Other details include the GT-R’s acceleration time of 3.5 seconds for the 0-60mph and 11.7 seconds for the quarter mile. Top speed is claimed to be a staggering 192mph.
Although we still don’t have any official details about the car’s new drivetrain, most are expecting to see a 3.8L V6 engine fed by a pair of turbochargers and mated to a dual-clutch gearbox with the latest ATESSA all-wheel drive setup. The car should measure in at 4,650mm in length and 1,920mm across. There’s rumored to be three different flavors of the new GT-R, starting with a 450hp entry-level model and ranging up to a 530hp flagship. This latter version is expected to be a stripped out racer with plenty of carbon-fiber and a track-tuned suspension.
Stay tuned for the flood of official details and images once the car is revealed at next week’s Tokyo Motor Show.
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Originally posted by 1K3
GT-R beats the Porsche Turbo in the Nurgurgring by 2 seconds (unofficial lap time of 7:38 for GT-R).
I wouldnt put a lot of stock in a 2 second margin between a Porsche and the GT-R. a margin that small could just be the driver, a couple of missed shifts, driver error...
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Nice car... If you're into girly machines.... ;)
If I had 80+ grand to blow on a rocket, I'd buy one with real character.
The Carrol Shelby and Pete Brock authorized Superformance Daytona Coupe.
(http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/11172004102424.jpg)
Just about identical straight-line giddy-up as the GT-R, but about 12 mph faster on top end. Best slalom and skid pad numbers ever recorded by Road and Track magazine for a street car. About $87K turn key, with a Roush built 550 hp 427, or $90k with a 650 hp 427. Specs linked below are for the 550 hp model. The more powerful model is considerably quicker. Shelby Engine Services will build you a 800 hp 427FE if you have $8,000 to spend. Installed in a Daytona Coupe, this will push the delivered price up to about $93k... But Geez, it's a monster.
Test data in PDF format (http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/0603_superformance_data_panel.pdf)
My regards,
Widewing
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Now thats a car ^ :aok
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Originally posted by Widewing
Nice car... If you're into girly machines.... ;)
If I had 80+ grand to blow on a rocket, I'd buy one with real character.
The Carrol Shelby and Pete Brock authorized Superformance Daytona Coupe.
(http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/11172004102424.jpg)
Just about identical straight-line giddy-up as the GT-R, but about 12 mph faster on top end. Best slalom and skid pad numbers ever recorded by Road and Track magazine for a street car. About $87K turn key, with a Roush built 550 hp 427, or $90k with a 650 hp 427. Specs linked below are for the 550 hp model. The more powerful model is considerably quicker. Shelby Engine Services will build you a 800 hp 427FE if you have $8,000 to spend. Installed in a Daytona Coupe, this will push the delivered price up to about $93k... But Geez, it's a monster.
Test data in PDF format (http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/0603_superformance_data_panel.pdf)
My regards,
Widewing
Yup, I've wanted one for years. Don't think I'll ever get one though.
Mark
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Baaaa, it's still a cage.
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yeah flatbar but it's pretty hard to run 190 mph or 11 second quarters..
lazs
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Not for me it isn't mate. ;)
(http://www.motorcycles-review.com/motorcycle-large/kawasaki-a2.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-8/48257/Swoop2.gif)
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Originally posted by lazs2
yeah flatbar but it's pretty hard to run 190 mph or 11 second quarters legaly..
lazs
Fixed :P
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sorry swoop but that looks like a cage to me.. you are just not quite as covered up as a good roadster.
My Healey has a fold down windshield so I don't even have to wear a helmet to get wind in my hair. to me... your bike is a cage... by the time you get all your safety gear on and all... you are more insulated from your surroundings than a lot of cars out there.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
you are more insulated from your surroundings than a lot of cars out there.
Which I'm very happy about considering how fast the damn thing is.
It ain't about getting the wind in my hair and hearing the birds singing.......it's about opening the throttle and seeing the world go blurry for a while. If there are any birds singing in the trees when I'm out for a ride then they aint singing any more once the sonic boom has gone past em.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-8/48257/Swoop2.gif)
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swoop... why not have both? I pretty much can gurantee that stomping your foot down on the loud pedal of the Healey will give you all the rush you could hope for.... while blowing your hair back.
There really is more to the experiance than the sheer numbers.. the "feel" of speed.. the torque.. the sound and the vibration and bass notes. Hard to explain but... a 12 sec hot rod is a hell of a lot more fun than a nine second bike...
At least... in my experiance. I have done both... I don't care if I ever ride the bike again but I will always have a hot rod.. for bikes.. the old 750 BMW or an old Harley are fine with me... except for the stupid helmet thing.
lazs
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I really disagree on that one mate.
Not the point of doing both, I like cars just as much as I like bikes.......however, I really can tell the difference between a 12 second car and a 9 second bike. And I can't afford to buy a 9 second car. Or a 12 second car for that matter. Could possibly manage a 15 second car.......
And I find the "feel" much more pronounced on a bike than in a car.
Personal preference I guess.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-8/48257/Swoop2.gif)
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i don't want to ride or drive anything where i have to wear body armor and nomex.
i must be getting old.
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when I rode my buddies hyboooosa and, later, suzuki gee whiz...
They were blindingly fast but... no real sensation of speed or acceleration. an older bike out in the open and vibrating and shaking and all "feels" faster.
I think what you need to do is drive a newer vette say that does 12 sec quarter miles and then get in a 55 chevy with a big block or 7 grand small block and a four speed and such that maybe does 13's the vette just doesn't feel fast.. the 55 is a handful... you are afraid to take your hand off the wheel to shift... bang second and try to keep it straight..
with the new vette or new sport bikes you really have no sensation of acceleration or speed.. that is till you lose it... then you just die of course.
lazs
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A customer (who was actually at the shop today) has a Superformance Cobra, I built the engine and put it together for him about 3 years ago. At the time Roush didn't have anything more than about 420HP. I built him a 625HP 427 Windsor with an iron block and aluminum heads. Because Superformance and their dealer here told him the Edelbrock heads I wanted to use wouldn't fit, I used a set of AFR heads. We also put a smaller cam in it because he takes it out in traffic. I'm hoping we can swap to Edelbrock heads soon, I have a friend who can get it into a good header shop. The headers Superformance sells kill HP. The Superformance dealer in Mooresville had the car on their chassis dyno and said it was the stoutest piece they'd run, the hot Roush stuff included. We're hoping to go from a 950 carb to trick IR fuel injection, and I want new heads and better headers on it. I can easily hit 725HP that way.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
I built him a 625HP 427 Windsor with an iron block and aluminum heads.
what kind of mileage does he get?
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Originally posted by john9001
what kind of mileage does he get?
Mileage? I have no idea. IF you could get it to hook up, and it wouldn't break
something in the rear end, it'd probably run mid 9 second quarter mile times at around 145MPH. It'll hold well over 1.1G on a skid pad on sticky street tires. In third gear, from a 55MPH roll, I can stab it and INSTANTLY smoke the tires sideways. I suppose if you tried you could get 20-25 MPG out of it with the over drive set up.
All that being said, I know where there is a 63 Corvette Gran Sport replica that can EASILY rip the Cobra a new one.
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GT-R definitely lives up to its hype:aok
Autoweek drives the GT-R (http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071017/FREE/71017001/1004/FREE&rssfeed=rss01)
Autoweek is also responsible for leaked photos (http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=CW&Date=20071016&Category=PHOTOS01&ArtNo=1016001&Ref=PH&Profile=1024) of the GT-R. These are the pictures you weren’t meant to see until next week
SPECS: 2009 Nissan GT-R
On Sale: May/June 2008
Base Price: Low 70s
Drivetrain: 3.8-liter, 473-hp, 433-lb-ft twin turbocharged V6; awd, six-speed automatic
Curb Weight: 3792 pounds (!!!!!!!!)
0-60: 3.5 seconds
Fuel Economy (EPA Combined): 21 mpg (mfg. target)
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The vette gets 25 mpg.. what does that thing get?
Oh...you can order a supercharger from the dealer for a vette. No big deal.
lazs
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" the coefficient of drag is an impressive 0.27 "
Makes the bodywork sort of easier to tolerate, sorta.
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Originally posted by moot
" the coefficient of drag is an impressive 0.27 "
Makes the bodywork sort of easier to tolerate, sorta.
maybe. the drag coefficient of the Corvette Z06 is 0.28 and it looks better
several others also, it doesnt have to be ugly...
0.29 Alfa Romeo 155, 1992
0.29 BMW 8-Series, 1989
0.29 Chevrolet Corvette, 2005
0.29 Dodge Charger Daytona, 1969
0.29 Honda Accord Hybrid, 2005
0.29 Honda CRX HF 1988
0.29 Lancia Dedra, 1990-1998
0.29 Lexus LS 400, 1990
0.29 Lotus Elite, 1958
0.29 Mazda Millenia, 1995-2002
0.29 Mazda RX-7 FC3S Aero Package, 1986-91
0.29 Mercedes-Benz SL (Roof Up), 2001
0.29 Mercedes-Benz W203 C-Class Coupe, 2001-2007
0.29 Porsche Boxster, 2005
0.29 Porsche 997 GT3, 2006
0.29 Subaru XT, 1985
0.29 Toyota Prius, 2001-2003
0.28 Porsche 997, 2004
0.28 Saab 9-3, 2003
0.28 Toyota Camry and sister model Lexus ES, 2005, 2007
0.28 Lexus IS, 2006-2007
0.27 Honda Civic Hybrid, 2006-2007
0.27 Infiniti G35, 2002 (0.26 with "aero package")
0.27 Mercedes-Benz W203 C-Class Sedan, 2001-2007
0.27 Toyota Camry Hybrid, 2007
0.26 Lexus LS 430, 2001 (0.25 with air suspension)
0.26 Mercedes-Benz W221 S-Class, 2006
0.26 Toyota Prius, 2004-2007
0.26 Opel Calibra, 1989
0.25 Audi A2 1.2 TDI, 2001
0.25 Honda Insight, 1999
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meh
I think the new GT-R has too smooth lines. It would look too European if Nissan decided not to stick with the previous Skyline GT-R's roots.
This is what the GT-R will always be known for...:aok
(http://www.ridejudge.com/featured/November01/front.jpg)
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Airscrew, most of those cars have pretty round and/or slick aero patterned bodies to start with.
The R35 GTR had to get a .27 from this:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/gttdi140/DSC00125.jpg)
I still think they could've done a much better job though. The front looks like the front bumper's been stolen. The rear quarter does look good, though.. but it doesn't have the same muscled voluptuousness the R34 had. Looking at that car, you can feel the stance the same way as when watching a lean doberman or horse posing for show, the same way well cultivated human legs can seem to just ooze purpose when pictured the right way.
The Bangle BMWs only recently (saw one today and noted my change in reaction) started to grow over me, so just like most cars you can eventualy get used to them and see the old ones as less good looking or just too dated.
But this one lost too much of its character (not that uncommon a thing in JP cars, see the Impreza's ever changing designs), the same way (IMO anyway) the pre bangle 3 series and M3 were just about perfect.
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well the R35 looks ok, but the new GT-R just doesnt look like the designers had much of an imagination, i basically looks to me like a stretched out and bulked up version of the 350Z, which in turn has a profile similar to a Porsche 911, just no imagination...
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Originally posted by Airscrew
well the R35 looks ok, but the new GT-R just doesnt look like the designers had much of an imagination, i basically looks to me like a stretched out and bulked up version of the 350Z, which in turn has a profile similar to a Porsche 911, just no imagination...
Tell that straight to Nissan who who spent ~7-8 years developing the GT-R:D
Also, they took a logical shortcut for borrowing other Nissan's FM platform (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_FM_platform) to save on cost. Then it's no wonder one might say it resembles the 350z or the Infiniti G-37
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I mean the GTR when I say R35, that's the model codename (R34 was the previous gen as in the above pic, R33 in 1K3's). Now that I think of it, didn't the Z/G35 get the Rxx/Skyline designation since the GTR went off on its own?
I don't think it looks Z-ish so much as it and the Z are the fruits of contemporary JP design (I know the Z was done in cali, but it's no less Japanese styling IMO)... The 1098 Ducati was said to have been inspired in no small part by the R1 ("it was the one of the most beautiful bikes out there when we set to out to design it", or something like that, from one of the aesthetics designers), and almost anywhere you look in the motor industry, one shape or another has been 'stolen' and evolved in parallel at least once.. The new Z as I interpreted it was a continuation of the old Z (not the 300ZX), with the then commonplace teardrop shape.
Somewhere in the designers' head there was probably an original design intent, but I agree it's hard to find it :)
That, a V6 instead of an I6, and the huge weight are the biggest turn offs for me.
Maybe Italdesign could give it a work-over the same way they did the new Mustang :)
Like I meant to say above, sometimes futuristic designs get a little ahead of themselves (or seem to), but IMO it can be done right. I can't think of any other examples off-hand, but the Pininfarina Maserati Birdcage shows what I think is futuristic done credibly enough.
The F430 was a nice evolution of the 355/360 line.
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Originally posted by 1K3
Tell that straight to Nissan who who spent ~7-8 years developing the GT-R:D
wow 7 to 8 years and thats the best they could do? I dont really blame them though, most of the really good looking cars have already been made
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t92/Airscrew/65redconv.jpg)
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t92/Airscrew/1967-ad.jpg)
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Here are the numbers the world has been waiting for (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM5wxTmCZYQ) :aok
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Hello 1K3. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Hello 1K3. :rolleyes:
not very subtle is he...maybe he'll get better with his next account
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Originally posted by Airscrew
not very subtle is he...maybe he'll get better with his next account
How did he get the PNG, anyway?
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When are you cage drivers going to realise hot chicks only dig track guys.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v449/davest/Hot.jpg)
:D
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
It is ugly, and won't get chicks like a vette.
Still gota love the performance if its true.
You call this ugly???
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/Nissan_GT-R.JPG/800px-Nissan_GT-R.JPG)
SIG 220
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Originally posted by Gixer
When are you cage drivers going to realise hot chicks only dig track guys.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v449/davest/Hot.jpg)
:D
...-Gixer
Ah, but this girl has an outie, though. And no hottie has an outie.
Could you stand having that lump of flesh sticking out of her belly button?
SIG 220
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Originally posted by SIG220
You call this ugly???
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/Nissan_GT-R.JPG/800px-Nissan_GT-R.JPG)
SIG 220
Gawd, that is so far beyond ugly the term smurfy doesn't do it justice.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Gawd, that is so far beyond ugly the term smurfy doesn't do it justice.
:aok agreed... a new definition of ugly is needed
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Originally posted by SIG220
You call this ugly???
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/Nissan_GT-R.JPG/800px-Nissan_GT-R.JPG)
SIG 220
I call that BUTT UGLY!
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yep, some people here will still call it smurfy even though its shape delivers THE BEST aerodynamics/downforce (slippery .27 coefficient of drag) and its performance is unbelievable;) Function over form.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM5wxTmCZYQ
It looks like a modern stealh fighter to me in color black. Futuristic.
(http://carview-img7.bmcdn.jp/carlife/images/UserCarPhoto/652129/p2.jpg)
NOTE: Overall design was inspired by a TV series called Gundam
Chief Designer Hiroshi Hasegawa. said "I wanted to take something like Gundam — a purely mechanical object that moves like a living creature — and instill that quality into the GT-R. We didn't exactly draw direct inspiration from the robot's appearance; we just wanted to make the GT-R look like a living mechanical entity with a distinct Japanese spirit."
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The red one in the video looked pretty sharp to me too. The silver just doesn't do it for me... Too faster and furiouser with the carbon fiber - silver contrast.
Plus... Ferrari, Lambo, and Porsche go fast without those cars looking overly furiouser, and the lexus in that other thread doesn't look quite as furiouser either.
I think there are deliberate styling cues there that are aimed squarely at people who are about 10-15 years younger than me... People who grew up thinking that the height of automotive excellence was to take a honda or neon, double the turbo boost, add counter-productive wings and other carbon fiber crap onto the bodywork, and finish it off with neon lights under the car.
Me on the other hand... I really like the current corvette. That's my idea of what a fast car ought to look like. The fenders are bulged vertically a bit more than I like, but by my standards it's not offensively or garishly styled in any way. The form follows function, not the other way around.
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more proof that all cars look good in black...
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Originally posted by lazs2
when I rode my buddies hyboooosa and, later, suzuki gee whiz...
They were blindingly fast but... no real sensation of speed or acceleration. an older bike out in the open and vibrating and shaking and all "feels" faster. with the new vette or new sport bikes you really have no sensation of acceleration or speed.. that is till you lose it... then you just die of course.
lazs
I do understand what your saying here but disagree, I've spent a few laps on old classics and now have a Guzzi in the garage. You do feel the speed but for different reasons. Rattles,Chassis,Brakes etc. Take a Honda Club 110 out on the track race it around with the throttle pinned the entire time and you feel like your going fast. Your not but it's a hoot to catch some in the corners.
But riding a fast modern bike on the track you certainly feel the acceleration as it yanks on your arms,pushes against your wrists,legs under braking,corner accelerate hard adjusting your body weight/position/balance to cope. You will certainly know your moving and you have to be very fit to keep up. Even just sitting on a Hayabusa in a straight line it will yank your arms hard.
I owned a Busa for two years and never felt like I wasn't accelerating as much as my Guzzi. :lol
I like old bikes too, but enjoy the new ones just as much and more for their handling,brakes,power especially for track days. Take a 650 supermoto out to a local canyon and carve up R1's your face hurts from grinning at the end of it.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by SIG220
Ah, but this girl has an outie, though. And no hottie has an outie.
Could you stand having that lump of flesh sticking out of her belly button?
SIG 220
Where else would you attach the bull ring?