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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: BaldEagl on October 18, 2007, 02:01:08 AM
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It's late and I should be in bed. I have to work tomorrow but I felt inspired and felt a need to write this.
First of all, let me qaulify by saying that I've been playing these games since 1996 and I am by no means an 1337 pilot. I feel I can hold my own in most situations but I'm still learning every day.
That said, we all signed up for the allure of head to head dogfighting in WWII aircraft. Maybe we envisioned ourselves as the Red Baron's or Pappy Boyington's of Aces High. Maybe we envisioned the accolades of an ace pilot being foisted upon us.
For those who didn't share this dream and only wanted a FPS or on-line game then don't bother reading any further. For those who did share this dream then please read on.
DO NOT LIMIT YOUR DREAM.
The main arenas in Aces High see many types of players but there are two main types; those who share the dream and those who simply want a shoot 'em up gaming experience.
Of the latter, there are again, many types; HOers, ack huggers, runners and more. If you share the dream then please, do not become one of these. You will never achieve your goals this way.
You signed up to become an Ace. To do so takes a lot of stick time and practice and you'll never gain it by taking the first head on that comes along or by running from a fight. That said, I'm not advocating playing stupid. You need to gain confidence first, then push your limits.
Before you jump into the MA's, get with the trainers. You have much to learn and they are a valuable resource. Take it from an 11+ year vet. I never spent time with a trainer. I learned it on my own the hard way and it shows.
Next; read, read ,read. These boards and the other resources linked here will speed your learning curve immensely.
When you are finally ready to jump into the MA's, learn to read the map. Don't fly toward the biggest red dar bar right away. Find the smaller dar bars and learn to fight one-on-one. You're still going to get your a@@ handed to you. Why try against greater odds?
Get to the point that you have confidence in a one-on-one flying your favorite plane. Confidence that you have a 50% chance of getting out alive. Confidence in your own, and your planes abilities.
Once that's achieved you have two paths to follow. I can't tell you which is best but here they are:
Continue to increase the odds against you (i.e. go from one-on-one to one-on-two to one-on-three). pretty soon you'll be diving into one-on-fives and tens looking for multiple kills.
The other route is to switch planes and learn every single one. There is no substitute for knowing exactly what your opponents plane is capable of. Some will say it's all about pilot skill but the key to winning fights is to expoit your planes strengths against your opponent's planes weaknesses. But the nay-sayers aren't wrong and this is why there's no clear-cut path. You also have to exploit your own strengths against your opponents weaknesses as a pilot but these are much less easily discerned.
Personally, I took the me-on-ten route before I started learning the plane set. There's probably a better middle ground than that though.
In the end, you'll need to get through BOTH these paths to reach your goal.
I guess my main message here is...
PUSH YOUR LIMITS.
You'll never learn anything by running from a fight, hugging field ack or HOing on the merge (OK, like I said in the beginning, I'm not 1337 and STILL do these things occasionally... we all do... just TRY not to make it a practice). On the other hand, the first time you land a kill in a Hurri I against a Spit or an LA-7 where the engine cuts out every time you pull negative G's you'll know your close to what you signed up for.
And even if your choice isn't fighters or attack planes but bombers or GV's the same principles apply. You won't improve your gunnery by bombing and bailing and you won't improve GV accuracy by hiding behind a tree.
It's your $15 and you can paly however you want but, now that you're here, why not GET OUT AND FIGHT. Your life isn't really at stake and your satisfaction level will go up exponentially with each step forward that you take.
and I hope to see you challenging me in the sky's.
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Right out the heart; excellent post! :aok
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The only paragraph that made sense.
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I'm not going to play your way. Sorry.
I play this game as an RPG (Role Playing Game). My way is to play as if it was for real. My goal is to kill you and your buddies and stay alive to land those kills. That's where the fun is for me. Do damage to the "enemy" and live to tell the tale.
So, I'm going to do that the same way it was done in real life. I'm going to fly with the squadron. I'm going to use the sun, numbers, altitude, speed, firepower and everything else to my advantage.
Call me anything you want. Alt dweeb, cherry picker, runner, I don't care. All the great pilots of history were those things. Those names are the invention of wannabe virtual pilots that keep getting sent to the tower because they won't learn how to fight.
So keep up the good work. Convince as many as you can to become a furballer stuck in 1915 chasing each others tail in a hard left turn.
I ain't gonna do it.
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Originally posted by Blooz
I'm not going to play your way. Sorry.
I play this game as an RPG (Role Playing Game). My way is to play as if it was for real. My goal is to kill you and your buddies and stay alive to land those kills. That's where the fun is for me. Do damage to the "enemy" and live to tell the tale.
So, I'm going to do that the same way it was done in real life. I'm going to fly with the squadron. I'm going to use the sun, numbers, altitude, speed, firepower and everything else to my advantage.
Call me anything you want. Alt dweeb, cherry picker, runner, I don't care. All the great pilots of history were those things. Those names are the invention of wannabe virtual pilots that keep getting sent to the tower because they won't learn how to fight.
So keep up the good work. Convince as many as you can to become a furballer stuck in 1915 chasing each others tail in a hard left turn.
I ain't gonna do it.
I think you took that a bit too personal "tho dost protest to much" !!!
What I got out of BaldEagl's post is to "push yourself" By doing that you will get better at which ever part of the game you are trying to excel at.
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Of the latter, there are again, many types; HOers, ack huggers, runners and more. If you share the dream then please, do not become one of these. You will never achieve your goals this way."
By doing this your NOT going to learn to be a better fighter pilot....if that is what you "dream to be" ....in this game. He also point out NOT to jump into furballs if your looking to learn to be a fighter pilot, but to try and find less populated areas of the map to build confidence in 1 vs 1 and more.
What he is saying is stick to the "high road" and learn what you need, practice what you learn, to forfill that dream you had to be "The red baron" , or "Pappy Boyington"
Finally he NEVER said anything about "fly my way or your an ". He is merely pointing out that the rewards of continuing to learn and practice are far greater than if you take the short path and become a " First person Shooter" type player.
It sounds like you are flying your dream, historically, with your squad using any advantage you can get. Congrats to you! Obviously surviving is the "trill" you look forward to, I on the other hand enjoy the fight it self. Surviving is unimportant to me, new planes are free, and nobody really dies.
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Originally posted by Blooz
I play this game as an RPG (Role Playing Game). My way is to play as if it was for real. My goal is to kill you and your buddies and stay alive to land those kills. That's where the fun is for me. Do damage to the "enemy" and live to tell the tale.
I don't disagree with you at all. I share your joy in inflicting damage, getting kills and living to tell about it.
So, I'm going to do that the same way it was done in real life. I'm going to fly with the squadron. I'm going to use the sun, numbers, altitude, speed, firepower and everything else to my advantage.
I'm also going to use every advantage I can with the possible exception of numbers. Being one of ten guys chasing a lone con teaches me nothing (not that I never do this). It doesn't sharpen my skills. In fact, it teaches me to be lazy and rely on others rather than my own skills and resourcefulness.
So keep up the good work. Convince as many as you can to become a furballer stuck in 1915 chasing each others tail in a hard left turn.
I never encouraged furballing specifically. I probably spend only 5-10% of my sorties furballing. It's fun once in a while but I get bored with it rather quickly. On the other hand, a good one-on-one or two-on-three or the like keeps my blood pumping and keeps me coming back for more.
A good, fun energy or turn fight is a lot more gratifying than a quick pick or HO. Knowing you out-witted and out-flew your opponent in a sweaty palmed, heart racing dog fight provides much more satisfaction.
As I said, you can fly however you like but if your not pushing your own limits you're not improving.
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I think its great when senior members post their philosophies, thoughts, and tactics. .
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Originally posted by Blooz
I play this game as an RPG (Role Playing Game).
RPGs have a whole different world that we dont know about or care to know about ("PvP", "griefers", "RvR"). I didn't know this until I started beta testing an actual MMORPG. My point is, if you really like the RP aspect, there are other games that are MUCH more RP.
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AH is an RPG. It's PvP (only the Ack is AI). "griefers" we call "spawn campers" and RvR equates to our three chesspiece countries.
But that's not the point.
The point is that you attach a label for every smart play and try to persuade new players not to fly that way.
If I kill you from a higher altitude because you climbed up to me, I'm an "Alt Dweeb" and thats a bad thing. It's not bad that your tactics were wrong. It's bad because I had the advantage and sent you to the tower.
If I kill you because I came screaming down from 10K at 550mph I'm a "Cherry Picker" and that's a bad thing. I had the advantage and made a great shot that you had no defense against. It's not bad that your flying was lousy and you got killed for being low and slow. It's bad that I had full advantage and wasted you without you firing a shot.
If I kill you because you're dumb enough to chase me into the Ack at a base or fleet then I'm an "Ack Hugger". That's a bad thing. It's not bad because I recognized that I had lost my advantage (If I had one) and needed to disengage so I could regain an advantage. No. It's bad because you got killed doing something risky and stupid.
If I choose to fly a faster plane than you, I'm a "Runner" etc, etc....
The point is that all these are valid tactics. To try and convince new pilots that this is not the way to fly is wrong. It's one of the reasons the gameplay isn't what it could be because the newbs are encouraged to not use tactics and just point their noses at the sea of red icons and "die with dignity". That's doing them a disservice, it's BS and it's wrong.
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Originally posted by Blooz
The point is that all these are valid tactics. To try and convince new pilots that this is not the way to fly is wrong. It's one of the reasons the gameplay isn't what it could be because the newbs are encouraged to not use tactics and just point their noses at the sea of red icons and "die with dignity". That's doing them a disservice, it's BS and it's wrong.
I don't think anyone is trying to convince "newbs" that that way of flyiing is wrong, I think all we are saying is don't limit yourself to one thing.
If you spend all your time climbing to 20k, then hovering around to look for that one run thats going to get you a good clean shot with and escape route, then you miss out on the white knuckle flying of the "furball"
If you always run to ack when you loose your advantage, how will you ever learn to push your plane to the limits?
You complaining about people giving "names" to "smart plays", but on the other hand say the same thing about "furballers", so your no different up there on your horse.
Yes, the ways you mention of flying are valid tactics, but not the only tactics. I flew with the 444th Air Mafia for years, and was the CO for a number of years both here and in AW. I've run many a mission, way points out, and back. multi pronged attacks....when you could do that with the mission planner... I have flown to survive much like you covering my wingman, but these days I would much rather run into a con that has a 3k advantage over me with nobody else around. That has the potential to turn into a great fight....more than likely it will be a HO and death for me :D
The point is, don't just do the HO and run, don't just dive into a furbal and turn untill you burn, don't just run to ack when the chips are down, don't just climb to 20k and BnZ. Explore it all, never mind the "names" people attach to things, fly and have fun.
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Originally posted by Blooz
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The point is that all these are valid tactics. To try and convince new pilots that this is not the way to fly is wrong. It's one of the reasons the gameplay isn't what it could be because the newbs are encouraged to not use tactics and just point their noses at the sea of red icons and "die with dignity". That's doing them a disservice, it's BS and it's wrong.
Beautifully worded Blooz. Thank you for speaking my heart! :aok
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Outside of FSO and similiar setups this is not a RPG. It is simply a aircombat simulation using WW2 aircraft. Additionally if it were a RPG your actually completely wrong in what that means. Often small numbers in "inferior" planes were forced to fight in a defensive posture for extended periods of time (Malta, Port Morseby just to name a couple). Further if you go read some of the amazing stories in the "greatest fights" thread {guppys for sure} you'll realize that you have a view of air combat thats somewhat distorted.
The reality is that "gameplay" suffers when you have a large number of minimumly skilled players who only play with the advantage. Basically the equivelent of sure I'll play Chess if I'm white....
Now beyond that after a period of time being a cherry picking, ack hugging alt monkey {your words} is simply boring and unfufilling....but its your dime so feel free to play the game how you think it was intended.
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Ok, I'm a returning player relearning the game.
Let me just step around all this fire lol.
Both sides have made valid points.
However, I do have a question about Blooz's position. Why do people scream "cherry picker" , "alt monkey" , "runner" etc etc.? I mean.. it's the losing pilots fault for pulling up into someone with greater alt and E, it's the losing pilots fault for chasing a faster plane. I'm just yeah. A bit confused as to that. It has always been around but I never questioned it.
Why are the people who put themselves in a winning/advantage situation ridiculed?
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Originally posted by Boxcut
Ok, I'm a returning player relearning the game.
Let me just step around all this fire lol.
Both sides have made valid points.
However, I do have a question about Blooz's position. Why do people scream "cherry picker" , "alt monkey" , "runner" etc etc.? I mean.. it's the losing pilots fault for pulling up into someone with greater alt and E, it's the losing pilots fault for chasing a faster plane. I'm just yeah. A bit confused as to that. It has always been around but I never questioned it.
Why are the people who put themselves in a winning/advantage situation ridiculed?
If I get picked, ho'd, hoarded etc, etc, etc... It is MY fault I put myself in that position. I don't blame the guy who picked me. It was my choice to be in the position to be picked.
90% or more of the times that I die, it's MY fault. The other 10% I just flat out get beat, which I might add, I love.
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Originally posted by Boxcut
Ok, I'm a returning player relearning the game.
Let me just step around all this fire lol.
Both sides have made valid points.
However, I do have a question about Blooz's position. Why do people scream "cherry picker" , "alt monkey" , "runner" etc etc.? I mean.. it's the losing pilots fault for pulling up into someone with greater alt and E, it's the losing pilots fault for chasing a faster plane. I'm just yeah. A bit confused as to that. It has always been around but I never questioned it.
Why are the people who put themselves in a winning/advantage situation ridiculed?
You dont know?:lol Ive been called names here, and otherwise insulted, by a few shady characters who dont like being disadvantaged by me flying my bombers to high. Or bombing targets they dont want bombed.
A bombers first and best defense is altitude. But how dare someone climb them over 10,000' and force the guy to burn cartoon gas, and waste cartoon time, to chase down bombers. As if Im holding a gun to their heads to do so in the first place.:rofl
You know these types in real life to dont you? They look down on everybody and always sit in judgement, usually negative, of everyone else? Its the same in the cartoon world. Luckily however, in the cartoon world, we have squelch and ignore features.
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Originally posted by Boxcut
Why are the people who put themselves in a winning/advantage situation ridiculed?
I think Blooz probably put his finger on the reason. Some people view this game as a sport, others view it as an immersive role-playing game. If you fall into the first group, then someone who vulches, picks, gangs and runs is doing his best to avoid a challenging contest. If you're in the second group, all of these things form a big part of the simulation experience.
I don't think there's any middle ground, really, and I don't think that either side is being unreasonable.
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Actually, that may very well be the main difference in viewpoints right there.
I know I fall into the "sport" type category, where the ultimate goal is a challenging fight. I have mellowed out a bit though, since I've come back I haven't tuned to 200, nor am I planning to. I just don't care nowadays, I'll be able to have fun somewhere, and getting irritated at people who I look at as playing timid just wastes my time and raises my blood pressure.
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It does not take much training, knowledge or effort to win from the advantaged position. Given equal footing, the fight usually goes to the pilot who is better at applying air combat tactics. From the disadvantaged position, one needs superior knowledge of the arts of air combat over thier opponent(s) to stand a good chance of comming out on top.
In the contexts that this thread was addressed to new players, and posted in the H&T forum, BaldEagl offered, in general, good advise on a style of gameplay that would help one become well versed in all three of the above scenarios. He also suggested seeking training, and left a disclaimer that one can take or leave his advise.
Here is a quote. While it is not 100% applicable to this thread, it might help frame the context regarding some disagreement in this thread:[/b]
Originally posted by Skuzzy
This forum is open to anyone who is willing to help people with the game. It is the primary forum for the Trainers to help people as well.
In this thread there are two distinct roles being discussed which is causing a clash. The role of the trainer is to provide aid and assistance to the player who wishes to improve thier flight skills.
Then there is the role of gameplay. Gameplay is chosen by the player and not taught by the trainer. Trainers cannot alter human behavior. They only impart information to those who are looking to improve the quality of thier gameplay.
You cannot mix these two fundamentally different ideas in a conversation without stepping on toes. Anyone attempting to coerce other players into thier style of gameplay is wrong to do so. It is one thing to offer up the different styles, but it is an entirely different matter when one attempts to force other players to play 'thier' game.
Telling another player they are wrong in the way they wish to play the game is akin to telling someone they should not like Apple pie as Cherry is much better. You are wasting your time and just creating friction in doing this.
Originally posted by Boxcut
Why are the people who put themselves in a winning/advantage situation ridiculed?
AH is a combat simulator. Those who choose to allow their skillset to limit them to habitually be more interested in a free kill than risking actual combat, are by nature subject to ridicule.
On the other hand, those who have solid abilities, fly smart, and do not display hubris for winning when they should win, are generally NOT subject to ridicule.[/b]
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Originally posted by Murdr
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Those who choose to allow their skillset to limit them to habitually be more interested in a free kill than risking actual combat, are by nature subject to ridicule.
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Hooray Murdr! Give that man a prize!!!
Here is my take on this.
There is a difference between a player and a gamer.. A gamer plays for score, a player plays for the game, and score comes from better play.
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A gamer works the system for a better score, a player works to better their play for a better score..
YMMV
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I think one additional factor here is if a guy is "mission capable". It's fine to "fly smart" etc...however regardless of your view as a "sim" or a "RPG" in order to fully function you need to have the ability to undertake a variety of roles....or simpy concede your not really "game capable"....
Certain aspects of the game demand certain skills sets. If you cant "furball" you really cant defend well. At the same time if your in a contested fight for a base you cant just pick either (if your intent on capture). At some point you need to get down and dirty to accomplish the task at hand.
Accordingly I'll break the "smart" group into a few catagories.
1) the pickers...
They say the right things but in the end all they do is use there own side for bait and/or cover...
2) the borg collective...
They talk the talk and walk the walk...as long as they walk in a big group. Always a line of smack about "why are you running...?" safely uttered from a cloud of friendlies...
3) the "mizzune" guy...
He's smart and picks and runs, but when it counts he'll lay it on the line for the task at hand. He's frustrating to fly against since he'll lead you away from the goon or HO if he thinks he has to....but when its on him he's suprisingly aggresive and skilled. He just isnt a solo kind of flyer
4) The hunter
He flys high, he flys alone and he flies to kill.
5) The 2 headed quisenart
The skilled winged pair. They look for a big red bar and look to dice and slice. They dont care about you, they dont care about either sides goals. They care about each other and the sport. They want to live but will gladly die for good sport (or each other). They come home loaded with pelts or they dont TRB....
#3 and #5 have my respect and make the game fun. 4 bores me to death and 1 & 2 (the vast majority) are just targets....
There are alot of guys who tend to fly "smart" but you'll see them upping from capped fields as well. To me thats the litmus test, anyone can fly with the big green machine. It's the guys you see who land 6 on offense but then immediatly roll a bird from a contested field to help defend that you respect. We all can "fly smart"...we just dont confuse it with being "good"...
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Wow. I actually didn't think this post would cause any type of debate considering the fact that I wasn't advocating any particular type or style of play. I was only advocating that, as long as you were here, that you learn to fly and fight and I must admit, I'm somewhat bewidered by all the "anti-learning to fight" sentiment in this thread.
Flying smart? I like to think I fly smart. I try to land at least 50% of all my flights each camp. But what's flying smart for someone who's learned to fly and fight is a much broader range of engagements than for one who hasn't. For me flying smart includes me on one, two or three depending on plane match-ups because I know I have at least a 50% chance of prevailing. Possibly even greater odds if I have an initial positional advantage.
Sure I still cherry-pick. Why not? If your going to give me a freebie kill I'll take it. Sure I still HO on occasion. Again, if your going to point your Spit at my FW190A-8 I'll disintigrate it for you. Then again, if you want to turn fight in that Spit against my 190 I'll oblige you and 50% of the time I'll send you to the tower wondering how you lost against that POS that can't turn. Why? Because I've learned how to fight and I've taken the time to fly everything. Because of that I'm willing to fight in anything against anything and I know my odds of winning are good (smart flying).
Running? Sure if I'm low fuel, low ammo, missing parts or the hoard is too large but I'll never run from a one on one.
Ack-hugging? Very rarely and only if I am at a very significant disadvantage.
Playing for points/score? I do that too. I'm currently ranked 25th overall but my fighter ranks a little lower than I'd like even though my K/D is almost 3:1.
Again, I'm not and wasn't advocating any particular style of play. All I'm saying is if you don't ever bother learning to fly and fight you're missing out on one of the most rewarding aspects of the game and one that will likely leave you in the under 0.5 K/S and under 1 K/D crowd forever if you don't learn it. If that's all you ever want to be then that's fine too. As I said above, it's your $15.00.
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This has been an interesting thread to read - neither view is incorrect, its all about individual choices. From my perspective, I dont fly smart, I have always flown into as big a fight as I can find. I will ho if someone fires first (and sometimes if they dont, depends on numbers against), if I can get a free kill I will and will always be one of the people who eventually gets low and slow in the weeds......
I've not been here that long, comparatively speaking (few months)...but, and its quite a big but.....every single time I up a plane, I'm learning....I'm not as easy to kill as when I started, I even manage to work people into a position I can kill them from occassionally.
Do I enjoy dying in game - not really bothered (happens way to much to be that worked up about)
Do I enjoy interacting with people from all over the world (even if it means I get to virtually kill them) - OH YES
Basically, I play the way I want to play....do I want to get better...yep....much better, will it take time, yep.......but thats a good thing.
Good post Baldeagl, very interesting
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Some people act like if they die on aces high they die in real life thats a bit sad/weird. Had an encounter with 'top 500' pilot last night and it was cringeworthy to say the least was chasing a p51 and a f4u 'the ace' flops in with huge alt advantage and fouls things up againest me then uses his speed advantage to run 2.5k out from me makes no attempt to climb or turn, while this is going on the p51 i'm chasing is now on my tail I turn to fight him......he runs. I turn back to the f4u who is now joined by a spit he fouls up again and ends up in my sights and spit ends up getting me. Dont know how this guys getting his rank its certainley not from fighting haha. Was honestly THE most cringeworthy 10mins of aces high I had ever seen. And it seems this tour the ammount of people becoming obssessed with their score and 'not dying' at all costs is on the rise.:)
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Thank you everyone for sharing your thoughts. I have only played for one month and everyone's opinon's and thought's were read and considered. I, myself, try to find as many different opinons and/or ideas and then choose and combine the ones that work the best for me. I must say that no one persons ideas here were my perfect match, only the individual writing that particular idea is the perfect fit for it. But all the thoughts and ideas had something of value for me and I will use each accordingly. So thank you all for sharing, as I will use pieces of all of your threads as I progress though my AH career.
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i like most of the posts in this thread and bald eagle makes a good point.
personaly i vary in my play style. i never up from a caped base but will up from one close and come in high. (not that confident yet)
if i rtb wit three or four kills and im not damaged ill reamrm and up again.
usualy do this till i die.
managed to have 15 one night and got vulched on the rearm pad when i went to get a beer lol no big deal.
besides anyone who wants to kill me usualy does.
lately im flying more in attack mode cause i like killing ground targets and actualy i feel like i might be "helping" some.
most nights i want good team play. if everyones just furballing in my area ill go to another arena, (or team) or try to get a base capture on.
furballing was fun for me a year ago when i was on my two weeks.
now its just boring and frustrating to spend hours over a base with no result.
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I fly bombers so I gain at least 10,000' before I move in on a target. I see what happens to bombers coming in at 3,000', its not even amusing. Tho there are probably some who will say they can man all those guns, against all those fighters, make their drop and escape while at 3,000'.:rofl I see bombers slaughtered all the time coming in that low over an airbase.
One Baron Von Brownpants I put on ignore tried to ridicule me cause i have a lot of air time compared to shooting time. One thing there is no stat for is the amount of times bombers damage fighters. It happens all the time and they break off and land at close by airbases "all the time". Last night it happened to me 3 times. And its not like I can break off and chase them down either. But the way I see it if I can keep them away from my bombers then I won.
Most of the time the only ones who'll stay until the end are the heavy Jabos, and Im assuming cause they dont have kills to land. The 110's, Hurricanes, Mossies....ect But everyone else??? Its "run,run,run". I'd say 8 or 9 out of 10 fighters. And for the score H'os, or anyone else who would look up someones stats for ridicule, never see those engagements. The truth is if theres two flashpoints on the map then Im flying towards one of them. And "sorry" to any ace if I chose to control some of it by getting at least 10,000' under me.
But I wont ridicule them for it. During a real war a damaged fighter would break off too. Especially if he had just re'armed 6 times and had 5 kills to score ,"his name in the marquee",after spinning around chasing his tail in a furball for 1/2 hour.:D
Its all good baby, its all good.
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
I fly bombers so I gain at least 10,000' before I move in on a target. I see what happens to bombers coming in at 3,000', its not even amusing. Tho there are probably some who will say they can man all those guns, against all those fighters, make their drop and escape while at 3,000'.:rofl I see bombers slaughtered all the time coming in that low over an airbase.
One Baron Von Brownpants I put on ignore tried to ridicule me cause i have a lot of air time compared to shooting time. One thing there is no stat for is the amount of times bombers damage fighters. It happens all the time and they break off and land at close by airbases "all the time". Last night it happened to me 3 times. And its not like I can break off and chase them down either. But the way I see it if I can keep them away from my bombers then I won.
Most of the time the only ones who'll stay until the end are the heavy Jabos, and Im assuming cause they dont have kills to land. The 110's, Hurricanes, Mossies....ect But everyone else??? Its "run,run,run". I'd say 8 or 9 out of 10 fighters. And for the score H'os, or anyone else who would look up someones stats for ridicule, never see those engagements. The truth is if theres two flashpoints on the map then Im flying towards one of them. And "sorry" to any ace if I chose to control some of it by getting at least 10,000' under me.
But I wont ridicule them for it. During a real war a damaged fighter would break off too. Especially if he had just re'armed 6 times and had 5 kills to score ,"his name in the marquee",after spinning around chasing his tail in a furball for 1/2 hour.:D
Its all good baby, its all good.
10k lol i never come in lower than 15 if im by myself 20k if im bombing a furball base.
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The main arenas in Aces High see many types of players but there are two main types; those who share the dream and those who simply want a shoot 'em up gaming experience.
not sure which one i am....any one have any idea????
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I agree with murdr here, i have nothing against ho's, cherry picking and all other stuff, its a tactic and every tactic has its own way to deal with it.
You can call me a hotard if u want when im in an IL2 killing tanks, but thats what im for: KILLING TANKS, not getting in a fight.
You can call me alt monkey when i have an Energy fighter and u have an more type of turn plane, but thats my only chance on survival.
You can call me cherry picker when im in a F4F above a furball since i cant get caught low n slow in it in a furball.
Theirs a bunch more of these kinds of things u can call me, but people have their reasons for it to do so.
I respect every style of play, even if its a warp that gets you behind my tail, war is hell and its not ment to play it fair. If you want a fair fight i suggest u go to the DA and not play in the MA.
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Originally posted by goober69
10k lol i never come in lower than 15 if im by myself 20k if im bombing a furball base.
Ive changed my ways some. Ive gotten lower in alt both to hit a little better, save a little climb time, and heat my guns up a little more. Ive actually become more motivated to becoming a better gunner then bomber.
But I still climb to alts that give me at least a fighting chance to take out targets and survive to land the airplanes. And I dont blame any bomber stick for wanting to get air under them and at least try to take some advantage away from enemy fighters.
Like Ive said I dont judge anyone for the way they play. The better sticks Ive met all seem to have the same outlook, and to play the game the best way it gives pleasure to "you".
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Originally posted by betty
The main arenas in Aces High see many types of players but there are two main types; those who share the dream and those who simply want a shoot 'em up gaming experience.
not sure which one i am....any one have any idea????
I think you fit squarely in the shoot ME up gaming experience group :lol
jk
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
I think you fit squarely in the shoot ME up gaming experience group :lol
jk
u know...i agree...i'm always dying lots....hehe
so shoot ME up gaming experience works for me :)
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wow.. this is giving me a headache... I'll admit, i get annoyed when i take off, get vulched or take off and try to climb to alt and fight and get shot down. but to me, its my fault.. i take off from a base that the other team is trying to get, the shoot you before you get off the ground and become a threat so they CAN take the base.. and for me dieing trying to climb.. i love the f4u and we all know its a slow climber compaired to alot of planes.. but hey, oh well. i love it.. now for furballs.. if people have problems with that, there is a H2H room you can go too.. But hey, its a game, everyone has opinions, none are right, none are wrong.. they are just there and everyone just needs to have fun.. If you arent having fun, then i recomend finding a different game.. :)