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In answer to the question "Did Dumbledore ever love anyone?" from a student at a book signing in New York, J. K. Rowling revealed that Albus Dumbledore was gay.
What a cheap, tawdry trick. Why did she have to turn her popular children's story into the front line for political correctness? Why can't a children's story just be a children's story?
My own kids grew up with these stories. Their reaction is one of disappointment, mingled with utter disgust.
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I've read none of the books but I have seen some of the movies. This may sound wrong/silly but I say that simply because she created and wrote the series does not entitle her to pronounce, after the fact, the sexual orientation of a character if she did not write that into the story.
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Brilliant marketing move. Now there will be renewed interest in purchasing the entire series by people who otherwise didn't give a rip. Said people will do so only to look for "clues" and "subtle hints" of all this underlying sexual tension that, in reality, was not there in the first place.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
My own kids grew up with these stories. Their reaction is one of disappointment, mingled with utter disgust.
Wow, looks like you taught them to hate gay people, and you did a fine job:aok
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Originally posted by Shuckins
In answer to the question "Did Dumbledore ever love anyone?" from a student at a book signing in New York, J. K. Rowling revealed that Albus Dumbledore was gay.
What a cheap, tawdry trick. Why did she have to turn her popular children's story into the front line for political correctness? Why can't a children's story just be a children's story?
My own kids grew up with these stories. Their reaction is one of disappointment, mingled with utter disgust.
ditto... I think it is just wrong for her to do this.
what a major disappointment.
I don't even want to see how my best friend explains this to his 2nd grade and younger kids who love and adore Dumbledore.
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I think she was BS'ing a short quip to get the kid off her back.
She was probably fed up with being at the book signing and answering a lot of questions she didn't feel like answering.
I never saw a hint of gay activity in any of the movies; can't say about the books, didn't read them.
Dumbledore is a lovable old and wise man... period.
Nothing to see here... move along. hahahaha
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by Tigeress
Dumbledore is a lovable old and wise man... period.
"Forgive me Father for I have sinned"
"Forgiven my child, come here, close to me..."
:eek:
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who cares if J. K. Rowling is gay, she's now rich and gay, maybe she should get together with elton john, no wait , that won't work.
:confused:
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Originally posted by E25280
Brilliant marketing move. Now there will be renewed interest in purchasing the entire series by people who otherwise didn't give a rip. Said people will do so only to look for "clues" and "subtle hints" of all this underlying sexual tension that, in reality, was not there in the first place.
Yeah, I was thinking the same. Very crafty on her part to have said that.
If the question was really 'did he ever love someone' that didn't even specify male or female ~ and "yes" would have covered hetero or homo.
That gay remark was made for a reason other than answering the question at hand for sure.
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Originally posted by 1K3
Wow, looks like you taught them to hate gay people, and you did a fine job:aok
you don't need to teach anyone to be disgusted by homosexuality. that comes naturally to normal people hence the non stop bombardment to the contrary by the people who would have you believe that homosexuality is anything but abhorrent behavior. it seems to have worked on you pretty well.
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Originally posted by 1K3
Wow, looks like you taught them to hate gay people, and you did a fine job:aok
How do you figure 1K3? You don't beleive that news like that can be dissapointing and disgusting to some people? It is a natural reaction by most normal heterosexual people. Acceptance of what is not normal is what has to be taught.
Mark
P.S. Seems as though Storch beat me to it but I leave my post as it is written. I am in very much agreement.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
"Forgive me Father for I have sinned"
"Forgiven my child, come here, close to me..."
:eek:
RipSnort! You Dirty Ole Man! :rofl :rofl :rofl
too funny!
How's your BMW , btw? teehee
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by storch
you don't need to teach anyone to be disgusted by homosexuality. that comes naturally to normal people hence the non stop bombardment to the contrary by the people who would have you believe that homosexuality is anything but abhorrent behavior. it seems to have worked on you pretty well.
This is just another variation of a conversation that could have taken place at Harper's Ferry in 1861, Washington DC of 1920, University of Alabama in 1963, etc etc etc.
Pick a group, demonize them, try to create a sense of outrage, and act as if your agenda is founded on cold logic instead of a rotten foundation of ignorance and hatred.
You're keeping the dream alive, bud.
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chairboy, the other day (thursday, last I think) I was measuring a condo for an access control system. as I was measuring two men drive up to the condo entrance dismount their scooter watermelon chat a bit and then a long tongue kiss. the sight of these two flits induced a gag reflex in me. I felt like kicking the living (expletive) out of them.
don't tell me homosexuality is normal. I have lived most of my life in this town and it has always been crawling with homosexuals. I have seen the above described more than once and yet the sight of something as messed up as that never fails to shock me.
your mindless liberal stupidity has about the same effect too.
there should be no place in any society for such libertine behavior, especially in public.
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Please come back to me Storchie. I love you!
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Chair, I feel that this is simply a matter of someone being corrupted by their newfound popularity and using it to push an agenda.
That's okay if the medium being used involves adults, who are better capable of understanding the issues and arguments involved.
Adults with her kind of influence should have the strength of character to withstand the temptation to try to influence the development of attitudes of other people's children.
To do so is despicable, regardless of the stance you hold on the subject of homosexuality.
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Homosexuality is disgusting if it's two men. However, I have nothing wrong with two girls kissing on each other. :D
In all seriousness, how many of you all who are all down on phagbois have turned away in disgust at girl on girl porn or "Girls Gone Wild" promos?
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Originally posted by storch
chairboy, the other day (thursday, last I think) I was measuring a condo for an access control system. as I was measuring two men drive up to the condo entrance dismount their scooter watermelon chat a bit and then a long tongue kiss. the sight of these two flits induced a gag reflex in me. I felt like kicking the living (expletive) out of them.
don't tell me homosexuality is normal. I have lived most of my life in this town and it has always been crawling with homosexuals. I have seen the above described more than once and yet the sight of something as messed up as that never fails to shock me.
your mindless liberal stupidity has about the same effect too.
there should be no place in any society for such libertine behavior, especially in public.
Public? Public condo entrance? Did the check come from one of them? Did their check make ya gag?
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The last thing we should be doing is teaching kids to be tolerant, especially if their parents disapprove. Where would the world be if this went on 50 years ago?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
The last thing we should be doing is teaching kids to be tolerant, especially if their parents disapprove. Where would the world be if this went on 50 years ago?
Hanging negros in Mississippi?
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Give that man a ceeegar.... from Storch's town.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Give that man a ceeegar.... from Storch's town.
Careful when talking about cigars...no matter what Freud said. :lol
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Originally posted by storch
chairboy, the other day (thursday, last I think) I was measuring a condo for an access control system. as I was measuring two men drive up to the condo entrance dismount their scooter watermelon chat a bit and then a long tongue kiss. the sight of these two flits induced a gag reflex in me. I felt like kicking the living (expletive) out of them.
It's pretty clear that this reflects much more on you than them.
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Originally posted by storch
chairboy, the other day (thursday, last I think) I was measuring a condo for an access control system. as I was measuring two men drive up to the condo entrance dismount their scooter watermelon chat a bit and then a long tongue kiss. the sight of these two flits induced a gag reflex in me. I felt like kicking the living (expletive) out of them.
Yeah, that's just gross. Nobody needs to see that. But you felt like beating them up just because you didn't happen to like what they were doing? You think they were doing it just to get a rise out of you, or is that your natural reaction whenever you see something you don't like?
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Life must be pretty hard if you can't control your urges anytime someone defies your points of view Storch :)
I'm hetero through and through, but personaly, gays are so ghey I can't bring myself to even hate them. It's like getting mad about eunuchs :lol
Their loss.
Originally posted by E25280
Said people will do so only to look for "clues" and "subtle hints" of all this underlying sexual tension that, in reality, was not there in the first place.
What reality?
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Originally posted by Mark Luper
How do you figure 1K3? You don't beleive that news like that can be dissapointing and disgusting to some people? It is a natural reaction by most normal heterosexual people. Acceptance of what is not normal is what has to be taught.
Mark
P.S. Seems as though Storch beat me to it but I leave my post as it is written. I am in very much agreement.
A normal kid would just probably chuckle and broadcast to everyone that Dumbledore "is gay", everybody laughs and it dies down quick
But to have "utter disgust" reaction from kids... I see intolerance brewing.:noid That's not normal reaction from kids.
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Originally posted by 1K3
But to have "utter disgust" reaction from kids... I see intolerance brewing.:noid That's not normal reaction from kids.
Don't worry, I don't think it's anything that serious. Probably just another case of protesting too much, methinks.
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It's usual for kids to get turned off by wet sloppy kisses and coodies, what's surprising about man on man explicit stuff also freakin em out?
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I thought this was about Skyrock.. my bad. I'll move along now :D
just kidding mark but it was there and there was no danger :D
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the normal reaction of kids for two men kissing would be ...eeewwww,yuck.
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Daddy, what does that mean, Dumbledore is gay?
Well son, you know from the birds and the bees book how your mommie and daddy made you, right?
Yes daddy.
Well, Dumbledore takes his ^$^^%$$ and instead of finding a woman to make a baby with, he finds another man and puts his %&#% in the other man's &$^&.
Why would he do that daddy? Doesn't that mean he can't make a baby?
Nobody knows why gay people do that son, nobody really knows for sure.
I'm glad you aren't gay daddy, because then I wouldn't be alive.
Me too son, me too.
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1K3, wallowing in your smug self-righteousness has blinded you to the central point of the thread.
My two sons may be older than you are. They were never taught to hate anyone, regardless of race, creed, religion, or sexual orientation.
No one in my family ever carried torches and a rope through the street, burned crosses on anyone's lawn, or beat up gays and lesbians.
Live and let live...and all that.
However, sexual orientation is a volatile issue for many people, who prefer that their children not become involved in until they are of sufficient age to form their own opinions.
What purpose is served, other than influencing the young and impressionable, by turning a popular grandfatherly figure into something that many find inappropriate for children's literature. True, there was no hint of Dumbledore's sexual orientation in the novels. That is as it should be, for modern children are inundated with sexual images at every turn, and at far too early an age to deal with it. In that regard, modern media entertainment has become pure trash. This statement has cheapened Rowling's accomplishments, and tainted what is undoubtedly some of the finest children's literature ever written.
For Heaven's sake, can't we at least keep at least one form of children's entertainment free of politically correct sexual dogma?
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I have pretty good self control. notice I didn't act upon my impulse. I could have gotten away with it too, they don't have cameras... yet. I have never bashed a feg either, even when I was younger. that would be close hitting a woman, there is nothing good that could come from it, its a losing proposition no matter the outcome.
sob, they probably didn't even know I was present as I was about thirty yards away. I think they were saying goodbye in an inappropriate manner. it would be inappropriate if it were a hetero couple. two men made it repugnant to me as well as inappropriate.
I don't understand why some gay people need to push there homosexuality into the public's face as it were. I could care less what anyone does and one's sexual practices are none of my or anyone else's business. while the media and pinheads like some posters here on this obscure BBS would have you believe that homosexuality is ok however I'm convinced that there is, has and always will be a stygma associated with homosexuality. homosexuals know this also. why do you think so many homosexuals are fairly messed up people? as much as they would have us believe, they are generally anything but gay.
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"Speaking at Carnegie Hall on Friday night in her first U.S. tour in seven years, Rowling confirmed what some fans had always suspected -- that she "always thought Dumbledore was gay", reported entertainment Web site E! Online.
Rowling said Dumbledore fell in love with the charming wizard Gellert Grindelwald but when Grindelwald turned out to be more interested in the dark arts than good, Dumbledore was "terribly let down" and went on to destroy his rival.
That love, she said, was Dumbledore's "great tragedy".
"Falling in love can blind us to an extent," she said.
The audience reportedly fell silent after the admission -- then erupted into applause.
Rowling, 42, said if she had known that would be the response, she would have revealed her thoughts on Dumbledore earlier."
http://uk.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUKN2052004020071020?feedType=RSS&feedName=entertainmentNews
Is this really an assault on decency? Character motivation. Character is a homosexual. Character's sexuality is kept obscure. A fan asks a question. The author answers. Homophobes, worldwide, simultaneously shat chickens.
Is there no refuge from the great homosexual onslaught our children are forced to endure?!
Rejoice and relax, Harry is still hetero. ;)
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Originally posted by AKIron
I've read none of the books but I have seen some of the movies. This may sound wrong/silly but I say that simply because she created and wrote the series does not entitle her to pronounce, after the fact, the sexual orientation of a character if she did not write that into the story.
It didn't have to be in any of the stories that he was gay. It was part of the character's biography when she created the character. She is also the author and that entitles her to make any comments about her books whenever or however she likes.
ack-ack
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Uh, love between males does not equal homosexuality. Sex between them does.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
It didn't have to be in any of the stories that he was gay. It was part of the character's biography when she created the character. She is also the author and that entitles her to make any comments about her books whenever or however she likes.
ack-ack
I misspoke. She is entitled to make whatever comments she wants, as am I or anyone else about her fiction.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Uh, love between males does not equal homosexuality. Sex between them does.
I see you trying to make a point and falling a bit short. I was a heterosexual long before I had sex. And I don't see where homosexuals can't feel the love I've felt in my life, though the target of their affection is of the same gender as they. Those feelings do not require consumation to be genuine. But, hey, you already bought the shovel, I reckon. :)
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Originally posted by Arlo
I see you trying to make a point and falling a bit short. I was a heterosexual long before I had sex. And I don't see where homosexuals can't feel the love I've felt in my life, though the target of their affection is of the same gender as they. Those feelings do not require consumation to be genuine. But, hey, you already bought the shovel, I reckon. :)
I think my point was made complete. Her claim that her character was gay is unsubstantiated in any of her stories. Sounds like nothing more than a cheap PC ploy to me. If she really wanted him to be gay then she was too much the coward to make that clear before she finished the series and made her hundreds of millions. I didn't especially like the movies and my kids are all grown. I couldn't care much less if she had the whole school engaging in sex with wild pigs.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I think my point was made complete.
Yeah, I'm sure you do.
Originally posted by AKIron
Her claim that her character was gay is unsubstantiated in any of her stories. Sounds like nothing more than a cheap PC ploy to me. If she really wanted him to be gay then she was too much the coward to make that clear before she finished the series and made her hundreds of millions. I didn't especially like the movies and my kids are all grown. I couldn't care much less if she had the whole school engaging in sex with wild pigs.
Only point I see you actually making is that you're upset over the revelation. The one you're struggling to make is you questioning the author's motives. The first is a given. The second, is just what you're giving.
;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
Yeah, I'm sure you do.
Only point I see you actually making is that you're upset over the revelation. The one you're struggling to make is you questioning the author's motives. The first is a given. The second, is just what you're giving.
;)
Struggling? Nah. I just think she's trying to push PC and I always find that repugnant.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Struggling? Nah. I just think she's trying to push PC and I always find that repugnant.
You perceive it to be that. You want/choose to feel the way you do. That's not proving a point. That's expressing an opinion. And ignoring that she's still the author of the piece and she knows her characters better than you. If you don't have an axe to grind .... then grinding something else, you'd think, would be painful. :aok
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Originally posted by Arlo
You perceive it to be that. You want/choose to feel the way you do. That's not proving a point. That's expressing an opinion. And ignoring that she's still the author of the piece and she knows her characters better than you. If you don't have an axe to grind .... stop grinding it. :aok
Having not read any of the books I certainly won't argue she knows her characters better than I. However, I have seen a few of the movies and I know and have read about others who have read the books and they are quite surprised to hear her say this. I'm just shootin' the breeze here. Why are you suggesting I'm grinding an axe?
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Originally posted by AKIron
Why are you suggesting I'm grinding an axe?
You projecting a motive to get repugnant over seems more than a subtle hint. ;)
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Sexuality, whether heterosexual or homosexual in nature, open or implied, has no place in children's literature. Millions of other people's children have just been subjected to Rowling's views on an extremely controversial subject. She had no right to do that.
Rowling is entitled to her opinion on homosexuality. Yet, she hid her views while the books were being sold for no other reason than that she knew that they would hurt sales. Only now has she had the courage to speak up.
I bought her books as gifts for my sons on their birthdays and at Christmas. I've read them myself, and thought they were excellent entertainment. Having read articles about Rowling's anti-religion bias, I was grateful that she kept her personal views out of her writing.
Now that she has taken the money of many who do not approve, she has suddenly developed a backbone.
I don't like being deceived. So, peace on her. I wil not buy "The Deathly Hallows." I would demand that the money I spent on the other six books be returned, if there were any hope at all of wresting it from her hands.
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Originally posted by storch
I could have gotten away with it too, they don't have cameras... yet.
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sob, they probably didn't even know I was present as I was about thirty yards away.
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I don't understand why some gay people need to push there homosexuality into the public's face as it were.
You're not making your case.
:noid
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Daddy.....Whats it mean that dumbledorfus is gay?
Well son it means the stork doesnt come to his house.The pork does.
Is that wrong daddy?
Its an abomination in Gawds eyes son.It very wrong.
Daddy...can we watch your lesbian porn again?
Sure son..Thats what Gawd intended for us to do.
Gosh daddy..I wanna be a hipocrit just like you one day.
You will be son...you will be.
Bah...I to far from perfect to even try to tell someone else how to live. And DONT give me the Bible says crap...It also says thou shalt not judge.Stupid book.
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Originally posted by Arlo
You projecting a motive to get repugnant over seems more than a subtle hint. ;)
Well, she is a writer and these characters did originate in her mind. Though I might argue the actors in the movies took some ownership of the characters. Anyhow, since these characters came from her imagination, everything they are is what she would have them be. That the homosexuality of a central character was not addressed until she was done with the story raises suspicion in my mind as to her motive for announcing this. If it wasn't significant enough to reveal/address during the story, why mention it, ever? This is not a rhetorical question btw.
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drdea,
I assume your jab was intended for me...
What in my post even mentions "god" or any other judgmental crap? You seem to be the one leaping to judgement.
My post pointed out the logical questions an unbiased child might ask, and the most honest answers a father might give.
Why do you hate that kind of honesty, and immediately jump to the conclusion that saying babies come from actions between men and women, not men and other men, must be bible-thumping bigotry?
Even the most die-hard atheist has to admit (if they're honest) that the survival of the human species relies on heterosexuality remaining the predominant preference. God doesn't have a damned thing to do with it. Gay folk don't pass on their genetic code, unless they pay a hell of a lot of money to utilize modern medical techniques to ensure their genetic code is passed to the next generation. Where is "god" in that? It sounds like a hefty dose of logic in the face of an awful lot of emotional nonsense.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Sexuality, whether heterosexual or homosexual in nature, open or implied, has no place in children's literature. Millions of other people's children have just been subjected to Rowling's views on an extremely controversial subject. She had no right to do that.
Rowling is entitled to her opinion on homosexuality. Yet, she hid her views while the books were being sold for no other reason than that she knew that they would hurt sales. Only now has she had the courage to speak up.
I bought her books as gifts for my sons on their birthdays and at Christmas. I've read them myself, and thought they were excellent entertainment. Having read articles about Rowling's anti-religion bias, I was grateful that she kept her personal views out of her writing.
Now that she has taken the money of many who do not approve, she has suddenly developed a backbone.
I don't like being deceived. So, "peace on her."(?) I wil not buy "The Deathly Hallows." I would demand that the money I spent on the other six books be returned, if there were any hope at all of wresting it from her hands.
It wasn't in the literature, as you've just stated. She brought it up as an after-the-fact revelation to fans at a gathering. She was surprised at the degree of the positive reaction. You seem to be projecting the deception into this so you can feel resentful and angry as much as AKIron seems to be. Good luck with your suit, though you seem to acknowledge that would be futile. :)
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No I wasnt jabbing anyone...Similar format but nothing aimed at you.
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Originally posted by Arlo
It wasn't in the literature, as you've just stated. She brought it up as an after-the-fact revelation to fans at a gathering. She was surprised at the degree of the positive reaction. You seem to be projecting the deception into this so you can feel resentful and angry as much as AKIron seems to be. Good luck with your suit, though you seem to acknowledge that would be futile. :)
Now who's guilty of projection? I was quite honest when I told you I don't give a flip about her stories. I do find people who push PC to be repugnant but I'm neither angry nor resentful.
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Originally posted by AKIron
If it wasn't significant enough to reveal/address during the story, why mention it, ever? This is not a rhetorical question btw.
Why not? What's more "deceptive?" Revealing her bio of the character, when asked by a fan/fans (who suspected such) .... or not? Too much cowbell. :D
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Originally posted by eagl
My post pointed out the logical questions an unbiased child might ask, and the most honest answers a father might give.
Now I gotta admit, I haven't read all the books, either. Which one was the one where Dumbledore got knocked up?:confused:
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Originally posted by eagl
Daddy, what does that mean, Dumbledore is gay?
Well son, you know from the birds and the bees book how your mommie and daddy made you, right?
Yes daddy.
Well, Dumbledore takes his ^$^^%$$ and instead of finding a woman to make a baby with, he finds another man and puts his %&#% in the other man's &$^&.
Why would he do that daddy? Doesn't that mean he can't make a baby?
Nobody knows why gay people do that son, nobody really knows for sure.
I'm glad you aren't gay daddy, because then I wouldn't be alive.
Me too son, me too.
for emphasis and to say eagl thank you for saying it better than I can.
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Originally posted by DrDea
No I wasnt jabbing anyone...Similar format but nothing aimed at you.
Ok then :) I apologize for pulling out my jumping to conclusions mat.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Now who's guilty of projection? I was quite honest when I told you I don't give a flip about her stories. I do find people who push PC to be repugnant but I'm neither angry nor resentful.
Neh, not projecting on my part. Unless you're really just feeling amused over the reactions this revelation seems to be "enticing."
I may well have attributed too much emotion to a definition, however:
Repugnant
Adjective
1. Offensive to the mind; "an abhorrent deed"; "the obscene massacre at Wounded Knee"; "morally repugnant customs"; "repulsive behavior"; "the most repulsive character in recent novels".
You find it offensive. You're still inventing reason to be.
:D
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Originally posted by Arlo
Why not? What's more "deceptive?" Revealing her bio of the character, when asked by a fan/fans (who suspected such) .... or not? Too much cowbell. :D
Why not is not an answer. Of course I know you can't answer for her but don't you at least wonder what her motive was for doing so? I think she may have been miffed at Christians for denouncing her books as enticement to witchcraft. Perhaps she was just looking to poke 'em in the eye again? Maybe she finds homosexuals to be offensive, who knows?
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Originally posted by Arlo
Neh, not projecting on my part. Unless you're really just feeling amused over the reactions this revelation seems to be "enticing."
I may well have attributed too much emotion to a definition, however:
Repugnant
Adjective
1. Offensive to the mind; "an abhorrent deed"; "the obscene massacre at Wounded Knee"; "morally repugnant customs"; "repulsive behavior"; "the most repulsive character in recent novels".
You find it offensive. You're still inventing reason to be.
:D
Offended is not the same as being angry or resentful. There you go projecting your own feelings again.
Ok, I see you recanted the angry and resentful attribution. I already admitted that I find people who push a PC agenda to be offensive. Is it really a stretch to see this as a PC ploy on her part? Perhaps it's not but I've already explained why I see no other plausible explanation.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Now I gotta admit, I haven't read all the books, either. Which one was the one where Dumbledore got knocked up?:confused:
It's the one where Potter was getting into trouble and Dumbledore was never around. You remember, it's the one where every single thing Hagret told Potter to do resulted in Potter very nearly dying as a result of following Hagret's advice.
I think Hagret and Dumbledore had something going on, and they were just trying to keep Potter from hanging around and spoiling their quiet evenings together.
:noid
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Originally posted by JB73
for emphasis and to say eagl thank you for saying it better than I can.
I got to this part:
"Nobody knows why gay people do that son, nobody really knows for sure.
I'm glad you aren't gay daddy, because then I wouldn't be alive."
And realized that never once has a gay man impregnated someone. Nor have they ever raised a son (or daughter). Nor have they ever lied. Even if they're a politician.
;)
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Dumbledore is not real, so he can't do anything of his own free will. Basically he is a character created by the author in the story. He can only be as he appears in the story. Author's comments about they're own stories, especially stories that have achieved reknown, may be flippant if not carefully considered each and every time. Rowling is so famous, I think she is fed up with Harry Potter. In other words, Rowling probably gets asked this question so many times, it would be convenient to just say Dumbledorf is gay rather than go into explanations of why Dumbledorf, being a sorcerer, does not have sex... (doesn't have time, runs the school, too busy working on magic, deals with secret incantations, sex has a propensity to zap energy, no hot witches around, etc...)
Now remember Dumbledorf is a sorcerer, and sorcerers do not concern themselves with sex in stories such as Harry Potter. This is a children's book. Yep, it's gonna cause a lot of disappointment to loyal customers. Talk about confusing a kid who, in their mind's eye see a grandfatherly old man taking care of business around the school and such....and present some "hidden" character background which does not appear anywhere in the books. If Dumbledorf is gay, there should be some indication of it through the character presentation in the book at some point.
Well anyway, the author's comments were not well thought out but that's life. I gotta agree with the conservative posters here. Someone brought up a point about an author being free to say what they want about their work. They are free to say what they want, but to be scholarly it has to be justified by and within the work at hand. Can't pull character attributes out of a hat.
Les
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Originally posted by AKIron
Why not is not an answer. Of course I know you can't answer for her but don't you at least wonder what her motive was for doing so? I think she may have been miffed at Christians for denouncing her books as enticement to witchcraft. Perhaps she was just looking to poke 'em in the eye again? Maybe she finds homosexuals to be offensive, who knows?
Sure it is. It's answering your question with a question no less valid. I don't have to invent motives so I can justify feeling repugnance. You're whipping them up left and right. Is it possible your inventions are just that? Or is it "impossible?" :cool:
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Ya know Ak, I listened to a former pastor of mine....a man who I lost all respect for because of his blustering, overbearing, caustic form of Christianity....blast Harry Potter, Halloween, and Celtic culture as being Satanic.
As I said, I lost all respect for the man. Not for what he believed, but for being a feather-headed twit with no imagination.
So, all Christians did not condemn the Harry Potter books. Many parents I have known loved them, because their children became engrossed in them, and through them, developed a love of reading.
Which was all to the good.
Yet, as I said at the start of this thread, Rowling cheapened that accomplishment with a cheap and tawdry trick. If she made the statement about Dumbledore to thumb her nose at his "Christian" critics, she is also a feather-headed twit, despite her literary talents.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Offended is not the same as being angry or resentful. There you go projecting your own feelings again.
Ok, I see you recanted the angry and resentful attribution. I already admitted that I find people who push a PC agenda to be offensive. Is it really a stretch to see this as a PC ploy on her part? Perhaps it's not but I've already explained why I see no other plausible explanation.
I understand you see no other plausible explanation. I saw no need to look for a plausible explanation to begin with. Dumbledore's her character. She said he's gay. No agenda neccessary. :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
And realized that never once has a gay man impregnated someone. Nor have they ever raised a son (or daughter).
I have an "uncle" who did. fathered 3 cousins of mine, raised them... I guess you could say... for a while, then left to go be gay.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Ya know Ak, I listened to a former pastor of mine....a man who I lost all respect for because of his blustering, overbearing, caustic form of Christianity....blast Harry Potter, Halloween, and Celtic culture as being Satanic.
As I said, I lost all respect for the man. Not for what he believed, but for being a feather-headed twit with no imagination.
So, all Christians did not condemn the Harry Potter books. Many parents I have known loved them, because their children became engrossed in them, and through them, developed a love of reading.
Which was all to the good.
Yet, as I said at the start of this thread, Rowling cheapened that accomplishment with a cheap and tawdry trick. If she made the statement about Dumbledore to thumb her nose at his "Christian" critics, she is also a feather-headed twit, despite her literary talents.
I know you didn't classify me with either and I didn't tell you where I stood on the subject of her books. Assuming the movies were true to the books I found them to be harmless with some qualities I value. Because of her "cheap trick", and not because she made Richard Harris gay, I won't pay to see any more of them.
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Originally posted by JB73
I have an "uncle" who did. fathered 3 cousins of mine, raised them... I guess you could say... for a while, then left to go be gay.
He puts on his robe and wizard hat ....
(I'm sorry, couldn't resist)
Yeah, it happens. A close friend of mine's wife (father of his two oldest boys) decided she could no longer deny her lesbian feelings and broke to live so, openly. Ain't the typical but don't seem to be the oddity one would have assumed fifty years ago.
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Originally posted by AKIron
... and not because she made Richard Harris gay...
OMG! She made Richard Harris teh ghey?! That biotch! ;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
OMG! She made Richard Harris teh ghey?! That biotch! ;)
Now he's probably afraid to turn over in his grave. ;)
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Originally posted by AKIron
Now he's probably afraid to turn over in his grave. ;)
Oh ... that's just wrong! :D
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Asked a 10yr old girl who'se a Potter fan (has all books, all movies, all games... and can recite every line from the movies..just freaky) he opinion on this.
Know what she said?
'Who cares? he's the old guy! I like Harry'
Sooo.. there you have it.
As long as its not one of the 3 main characters that gets flipped its all fiiine.
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it's a character in HER book, so is she likes, he can be a marsian.
Book doesn't start with butt f.....g orgy or a gay parade led by a old wizard, there is nothing in the book confirming it, just her words at a book signing.
Are you guys so pissed off because there are no gays in the world and having one in imaginary one makes is so much more less believable ?
Or were you planning to explain idea of homosexuality to your kids when they are 47 years old ? Or better yet, let them find out for themselves ?
Run, run, studmuffins are everywhere and its contagious !!!
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...and in the end he looked back on the horizon. After all the sacrifice and hardship, after all the emotion and conviction, the blood, sweat and tears, he sadly acknowledged how pointless it all had suddenly become.
The O'Club has a Harry Potter thread.
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(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa110/hampster34/omg.jpg)
The amount of the ghey in this thread is staggering. Studies have shown those against the ghey enough to shout about it are themselves for giving. While those who care about defending the ghey enough to post about it are the recieving types.
Personally I do not care they were decent books but not as entertaining as the stuff Clancy churns out. So I will be backing out of this thread and letting you all pair up.
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Ok, if you think that hamster needs a size 14 boot sole on its head, what's the sexual inuendo in that? :lol
Storch, it's not that they insist on being seen per se but just consequent to their putzy character.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Albus Dumbledore was gay.
Am I the only one that sees the name "Al Gore" no matter how many times I read that name?
Albus Dumbledore
Al-----------Gore
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The amount of concern I have for the sexual orientation of a fictional character in a book of fantasy fiction is about 5 points below zilch. :huh
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Originally posted by Arlo
It wasn't in the literature, as you've just stated.
he's a old man who enjoys wearing robes...stand him in front of a altar, and nobody would be suprised at all...
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Originally posted by moot
Ok, if you think that hamster needs a size 14 boot sole on its head, what's the sexual inuendo in that? :lol
Storch, it's not that they insist on being seen per se but just consequent to their putzy character.
I don't agree. a good portion of my customer base is homosexual. the older ones (fifty plus) generally don't seem to be as flamboyant. though they co-habitate they observe decorum so their homosexuality is respected by me as a personal lifestlye preferrence. the younger ones seem to have a higher percentage of in your face flamboyancy that is disconcerting to most normal people.
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So how did you get into the Butt Butter buisness, Storch? This explains a lot of things...
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Popcorn..............get your Popcorn!
Peanuts here.........Get your peanuts!
Lawn chair rentals.....get your lawn chairs!
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i'll take a chili dog an a beer.
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no it's simple math. homosexuals have more discreationary income than hetero couples because they can't have children ( you don't have kids correct?). they are also much more fearful than normal people so they are more likely to spend large sums of money on stuff like perimeter security and access controls, or move to belize to frolic with the natives.
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That's Belize with a capitol "B".
Check out the cabana I'm renting. $65 bucks a night.:cool:
(http://www.seasprayhotel.com/images/seaspray/r_seaside_cabana.jpg)
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Personally, I think the whole series of novels, and everything they entail, is gay. Gay of the highest order. And I don't mean that "gay is bad" use either, I mean that "it is a homosexual book that bums other books of the same sex" meaning.[/QUOTE
this about covers it.
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Slightly off topic, but clearly related:
When I see or meet someone, I don’t think about: what their religion may be, what their race may be, what their favorite sports team may be or what their sexual orientation may be. If I learn any of the above about a person, I certainly don’t get all huffy about it either… Honestly, it just baffles me why people care so much; I just don’t get it.
When you learn someone is gay, does your brain go into a weird automated mode and force itself to imagine them having sex? If so, that must kind of suck (no pun intended). I do find gay sex gross. I also find sex between fat people gross as well. In fact, a lot of hetero people do all kinds of things that I really don’t want to picture. That being the case, I just don’t waste my time imagining pretty much anyone having sex.
Or am I totally off here? Can anyone explain why learning that someone is gay results in near instantaneous anger?
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Slightly off topic, but clearly related:
When I see or meet someone, I don’t think about: what their religion may be, what their race may be, what their favorite sports team may be or what their sexual orientation may be. If I learn any of the above about a person, I certainly don’t get all huffy about it either… Honestly, it just baffles me why people care so much; I just don’t get it.
When you learn someone is gay, does your brain go into a weird automated mode and force itself to imagine them having sex? If so, that must kind of suck (no pun intended). I do find gay sex gross. I also find sex between fat people gross as well. In fact, a lot of hetero people do all kinds of things that I really don’t want to picture. That being the case, I just don’t waste my time imagining pretty much anyone having sex.
Or am I totally off here? Can anyone explain why learning that someone is gay results in near instantaneous anger?
LOL
I don't think it's anger as much as fear. I mean ... what if it's catching?
And watch it with the fatophobia, dude! I mean, c'mon. I want you picturing me having sex, dammit!
;)
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I am thinking it is something like Moby Dick doing a 10 second flop on that Fat Socialist girl we all had in one of our highscool or college classes, you know the one where the blob had a more womanly figure and she always wore birkenstocks and that whole side of the class room had a strong odor of Cheese,Fish and BO.
I am not projecting nor am I disgusted by this thought as much as I would be if it wasnt for Capt. Morgan having me back(not in that way you projecting homo:o ) By that I mean copius amounts of rum coursing through me system.
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I think that's close enough. Me and the Cap'n have more of a relationship ourselves. ;):D :aok
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Originally posted by storch
chairboy, the other day (thursday, last I think) I was measuring a condo for an access control system. as I was measuring two men drive up to the condo entrance dismount their scooter watermelon chat a bit and then a long tongue kiss. the sight of these two flits induced a gag reflex in me. I felt like kicking the living (expletive) out of them.
don't tell me homosexuality is normal. I have lived most of my life in this town and it has always been crawling with homosexuals. I have seen the above described more than once and yet the sight of something as messed up as that never fails to shock me.
your mindless liberal stupidity has about the same effect too.
there should be no place in any society for such libertine behavior, especially in public.
Well I've seen some really ugly, and fat couples kiss; old couples kiss; I was kind of disgusted by it. Maybe you will kick the living '(expletive)' out of them for me?
Chair gave almost exactly the response I was going to give. You're angry because a fictional book reflects reality somewhat? Maybe she modeled him after Sir Ian McKellen's Gandalf...
Ignorant hate. Same tired arguments of racism, secularism, etc etc.... You just hate. Why don't you move somewhere your hate still has some traction... maybe holocaust denier's like Iran's party of power will help you with your hateful goals.
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"Honestly, it just baffles me why people care so much; I just don’t get it."
"Various psychoanalytic theories explain homophobia as a threat to an individual's own same-sex impulses or to a possibility of arising such impulses. This threat causes repression, denial or reaction formation."
Reasons and motivations can be so many, but that is certainly one -the fear and uncertainty of own sexual orientation. Many kids who live in societies with strict moral codes may attempt a suicide when they find out that they have homosexual feelings.
The other reason may be the projection of own insecurity and uncertainty and the target could be any other distinctive group of people e.g. of other social class, race, religion etc. Usually these people exercise their "hate" to bind more tightly themselves in their group by creating a common "enemy". It worked into extreme in Germany in the 30's and that behavioral model is shared with all western cultures and is seen in various degrees every day, and etc...blablabla....human nature...blablabla.....
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BS
When one sees a psychoanalytic statement such as the above which is laced with qualifying words and phrases, the natural conclusion about said statement is that the author has very little proof, and is giving vent to his own biases.
It's more insult than argument.
Personally, I've always felt that the opposite was the truth: That otherwise 'straight' men who attack the critics of the strident gay-rights crusade that is forcing its way into every aspect of modern life, are themselves harboring latent sexual urgings.
Nah, I don't really believe that. But it's as valid an argument as the other.
Bottom line for me, I'd like our children to be allowed to enjoy their world of imagination and fantasy without seeing it invaded by smurking adults with a political or sexual agenda.
Adult society, with its sick fascination with sex of all types, should be kept out of a child's world.
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Slightly off topic, but clearly related:
When I see or meet someone, I don’t think about: what their religion may be, what their race may be, what their favorite sports team may be or what their sexual orientation may be. If I learn any of the above about a person, I certainly don’t get all huffy about it either… Honestly, it just baffles me why people care so much; I just don’t get it.
When you learn someone is gay, does your brain go into a weird automated mode and force itself to imagine them having sex? If so, that must kind of suck (no pun intended). I do find gay sex gross. I also find sex between fat people gross as well. In fact, a lot of hetero people do all kinds of things that I really don’t want to picture. That being the case, I just don’t waste my time imagining pretty much anyone having sex.
Or am I totally off here? Can anyone explain why learning that someone is gay results in near instantaneous anger?
if the question is obliquely directed at me, my answer is that I couldn't care less what your sexual predeliction is nor your religion nor any other aspect of your life. I regard a jehova's witnesses banging on my door on sunday morning almost as disturbing as two blukitties kissing in public.
my point is this:
1. is homosexuality widely accepted as normal? my answer is no it is not. in fact homosexuality is widely regarded as abhorrent behavior.
2. if one accepts the above to be generally true then why would a homosexual limit his or her own potential in business or in society by identifing himself as one for no good reason.
rant mode :
I have plenty of contact with homosexuals on both business and personal levels. I had a cousin who was a flaming flamboyant homosexual. he was witty, intelligent and genuinely a nice person. he was also a deeply troubled man who I believe hated himself because of his homosexuality. I enjoyed his company and he and his friends were always welcome in my home. his train wreck of a life was short and a lion's share of his problems were brought on by his in your face homosexuality.
a good portion of my income comes from the fabrication of very ornate gates. some of these gates are frilly with many facsimilies of flowers, pineapples and such ornamentation. the majority of the people ordering this type of product are well heeled homosexuals. my cousin was a very gifted illustrator and painter. he would design these gates, draw the patterns for the ornamentation and we would cut and shape the pieces, fabricate the gates and he would hand paint them and make the work seem as though it had come to life.
he was associated with a group of artists who worked at an old holsum bakery complex turned artist's colony here in town called the bakehouse. through his association with this group and my relation to him I have been able to continue in this lucrative line work with the help of many homosexuals who perform the work my cousin did for me. many of them are the customer and they sell the product as though it were their own creation (which in fact from the design standpoint they are).
there isn't a day that goes by that I'm not shaking hands and dealing with at least one homosexual. maybe some of my detractors on this BBS would agree that this type of a relationship would preclude one from being homophobic. I'm not afraid of homosexuals, generally speaking contemptous would be the word that best fits my attitude towards homosexuals and homosexuality. however I treat all people with respect until such a time as certain lines of accepted decorum are crossed. I give respect and keep my views to myself and people generally do the same in return. if in a social situation where a more relaxed atmosphere prevails, say over drinks and light conversation the topic surfaces I politely express my views and that will often lead to another form of polite conversation on other topics.
keep in mind that today I'm an old fat man. a few years ago (1986 or so) I was appointed to meet a homosexual client at what turned out to be a gay bar. my client was running late and this was before the advent of the mobile phone. at this time in my life I was a buff young man of thirty. the bartender kept hitting on me indirectly. he kept asking me what my name for my manhood was and he was starting to annoy me a bit but I was out of my environment and felt completely uncomfortable. I was considering just leaving but I wanted to land the deal because it was sizable and I suspected that the client was testing me to a degree.
at that moment my client showed up. after a little watermelon chat with me the bartender comes up and chats with my client a bit then says to my client "your friend won't tell me his other name" without skipping a beat my client says "oh I know, I'll tell you" at this point I'm aghast and feel flush. my client says "it's secret" the bartender says "secret?" my client responds with "yes secret, strong enough for a man but made for a woman" (borrowing the line from a woman's deodorant commercial popular at the time) and winks at me. we are still friends to this day and I have done five homes for him since that time.
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Dumbledore is gay?
This could explain Voldemorts insane behavior maybe he had one to many private sessions with Dumbledore...
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If gays just got on with their shanagins in a quiet manner, there would be no problem. but they bring t it all on themselves when they rub peoples noses in it and go to great extremes to let everyone know thta theyre gay and proud. they almost seem to thrive off the the attention and publicity of being "gay".
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that is precisely my point. who cares what you do to get your yayas? it's your own business go on about it quietly.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
In answer to the question "Did Dumbledore ever love anyone?" from a student at a book signing in New York, J. K. Rowling revealed that Albus Dumbledore was gay.
What a cheap, tawdry trick. Why did she have to turn her popular children's story into the front line for political correctness? Why can't a children's story just be a children's story?
My own kids grew up with these stories. Their reaction is one of disappointment, mingled with utter disgust.
Maybe she was just saying that to be a salamander? you know, to upset people like you?
It's not like the whole thing will turn every child that reads harry potter gay.
also, fanfic writers will have a field day with this. lord knows there's gotta be at least 500,000,000,000 dumbledore x other male character slash out there. and now that his gayness is cannon it's only gonna get worse.
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Originally posted by Laurie
If gays just got on with their shanagins in a quiet manner, there would be no problem. but they bring t it all on themselves when they rub peoples noses in it and go to great extremes to let everyone know thta theyre gay and proud. they almost seem to thrive off the the attention and publicity of being "gay".
Same w/ the christians, they bring all this stuff on them by wearing little cross necklaces or having the fish on their car. They seem to thrive off the attention and publicity of being christian.
Does that analogy smell as sweet?
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same with the muslims and thier headscarves, and calls to prayer wich wake up the neighbourhood.
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Originally posted by Charge
and etc...blablabla....human nature...blablabla.....
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I already made this fact earlier and more succinctly. Go make up your own scientific data
Oh and Laurie he dont care as a tolerant and open minded individual he cannot resist taking a jab at Christianity every chance he gets.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Popcorn..............get your Popcorn!
Peanuts here.........Get your peanuts!
Lawn chair rentals.....get your lawn chairs!
You're going to get rich here lol.
A heck of a lot of sensitive types worrying about the 'sexuality' of a fictional character is rather ironic.
Move on folks, as one trying to prove they're not gay by how much they can't stand gays is, well, rather gay.
Jackal, any more popcorn left? What's for sale in the drinks dept?
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Originally posted by storch
you don't need to teach anyone to be disgusted by homosexuality. that comes naturally to normal people hence the non stop bombardment to the contrary by the people who would have you believe that homosexuality is anything but abhorrent behavior. it seems to have worked on you pretty well.
Wow that's fluffied up Storch. Guess your normal huh...
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Originally posted by Mark Luper
How do you figure 1K3? You don't beleive that news like that can be dissapointing and disgusting to some people? It is a natural reaction by most normal heterosexual people. Acceptance of what is not normal is what has to be taught.
Mark
P.S. Seems as though Storch beat me to it but I leave my post as it is written. I am in very much agreement.
It's not acceptance of what is not normal (apparently your're saying you are the judge of that) but acceptance of that which you do not understand is what should be taught. Which leads to the beautiful human trait of compassion and understanding. Which most of the religions in the world seem to be severly lacking.
If you don't want to understand then don't judge and most importantly, don't worry about it.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I've read none of the books but I have seen some of the movies. This may sound wrong/silly but I say that simply because she created and wrote the series does not entitle her to pronounce, after the fact, the sexual orientation of a character if she did not write that into the story.
I respectfully disagree. She created the Harry Potter world and can do whatever she wishes with it. I think it unfortunate however that she chose to go down this particular trail.
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Originally posted by LEADPIG
Wow that's fluffied up Storch. Guess your normal huh...
what might be amazing is if you think you are.
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Originally posted by storch
what might be amazing is if you think you are.
Honestly i don't man.... i think i'm screwed up in my own way. I don't judge whats normal, i don't care, i just judge whats normal for me, let people have there own bag. I try to have a mind of love and compensation for things and people i don't understand and try to approach them with a caring mind. Rather than wanna beat people up just cause i don't like or can't understand what there doing.
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well that's what makes a horse then
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Nobodies riding me. As long as you respect other peoples space, they should respect mine. If not, there's a problem. But how do you get upset about something that has nothing to do with you. Why would something that doesn't upset your sphere of influence disgust you or make you mad. Only you can let that happen, and that's a problem within yourself not without. Don't focus on what you don't like, come into your own and you won't be bothered one way or the other. Now if you like to hate, if you like to be disgusted, otherwise continue. Nothing wrong with that, but at the point you try to bring your beliefs into someone elses existence and effect them, and judge them over what you think is normal then those people have a right to live there own truth, just as you.
If you are delicate enough to be offended by two people you don't even know or have nothing to do with kissing, there's something wrong with you, not them. They are not doing anything to you. Now if they try to kiss you or otherwise invade your space, then they are wrong and deserve what they get. Otherwise it's not your business or judgement call. Why get mad over it.
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Originally posted by Pooh21
Oh and Laurie he dont care as a tolerant and open minded individual he cannot resist taking a jab at Christianity every chance he gets.
Perverted Christianity is extorted into religious profanity
Turning God's words onto another man to execute your own plan
Is the closest to sin i can think
Reducing compassion is an effected reaction
causing a small faction to heap condemnation on the other
insulting the exaction of vengence on your own brother
When you both came from the same mother
Is a moral crime of the highest you can believe
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Originally posted by storch
(for brevity, not content)
at that moment my client showed up. after a little watermelon chat with me the bartender comes up and chats with my client a bit then says to my client "your friend won't tell me his other name" without skipping a beat my client says "oh I know, I'll tell you" at this point I'm aghast and feel flush. my client says "it's secret" the bartender says "secret?" my client responds with "yes secret, strong enough for a man but made for a woman" (borrowing the line from a woman's deodorant commercial popular at the time) and winks at me. we are still friends to this day and I have done five homes for him since that time.
In my field, I also, from time to time deal with homosexuals. As well as Storch, I find that their money is as green as the next persons. It also spends the same. It pays my bills as any other. I have performed at gay/lesbian "wedding" receptions, and events. In fact, every Halloween I have a gig at a local bar that is rented by a group of "fellas" and "ladies" that like to have a drag-queen contest. They are all gay or lesbian. They also pay WELL. Also, to be honest, it is usually entertaining. There is not normally, believe it or not, a lot of gay/lesbian contact either. I had one person approach me at the first gig I did for them. I was wearing a mummy costume with a zipper on the back, and he tried to grab the zipper as he told me that he would help me out of my costume because it looked like it was too hot. I calmly told him that I was in fact, not gay, and if he touched me again that I would put him on the floor. He accused me of being a homophobe. I responded that I value my personal space, no matter who violates it. Man or woman. My stance was made clear and everyone now knows this. I have been doing that job for 7 years now.
My Point:
Is homosexuality normal. Of course not. Humans would be able to reproduce in that fashion if it were so.
As Storch says, I really don't want to see anyone swapping spit in public, man-man, woman-woman, OR man-woman. Anything more than a peck on the cheek should be left for behind closed doors.
Am I tolerant of homosexuality. Yes I must, or I would not feel right enjoying the liberties that I do as an American.
Do I need to teach my children that this is normal acceptable behavior? ABSOLUTELY NOT! I can teach tolerance, but not acceptance as normality.
My point as related to topic:
Does this need to come up anywhere in a series of fictional books,marketed towards children, before or after the fact, whether in storyline or not? Again, absolutely not. I relate this to Walt Disney and his use of LSD. It was not like it was daily dinner conversation, or BBC headline. Would you want to teach your children that drug use is acceptable. Or that it will give you fantastic ideas ala "The Sorcerers Apprentice"
I don't care if the character bio belongs to the author or not.
Children should not be forced to deal with sexuality at all until they are of an appropriate age. This age is obviously not set in stone, but use the moral compass of your own particular culture. For her to reveal this "character trait" when it is common knowledge that her primary consumer base consists mostly of children is, in my opinion, irresponsible.
For petes sake, have some common sense.
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Originally posted by VonMessa
In my field, I also, from time to time deal with homosexuals. As well as Storch, I find that their money is as green as the next persons. It also spends the same. It pays my bills as any other. I have performed at gay/lesbian "wedding" receptions, and events. In fact, every Halloween I have a gig at a local bar that is rented by a group of "fellas" and "ladies" that like to have a drag-queen contest. They are all gay or lesbian. They also pay WELL. Also, to be honest, it is usually entertaining. There is not normally, believe it or not, a lot of gay/lesbian contact either. I had one person approach me at the first gig I did for them. I was wearing a mummy costume with a zipper on the back, and he tried to grab the zipper as he told me that he would help me out of my costume because it looked like it was too hot. I calmly told him that I was in fact, not gay, and if he touched me again that I would put him on the floor. He accused me of being a homophobe. I responded that I value my personal space, no matter who violates it. Man or woman. My stance was made clear and everyone now knows this. I have been doing that job for 7 years now.
My Point:
Is homosexuality normal. Of course not. Humans would be able to reproduce in that fashion if it were so.
As Storch says, I really don't want to see anyone swapping spit in public, man-man, woman-woman, OR man-woman. Anything more than a peck on the cheek should be left for behind closed doors.
Am I tolerant of homosexuality. Yes I must, or I would not feel right enjoying the liberties that I do as an American.
Do I need to teach my children that this is normal acceptable behavior? ABSOLUTELY NOT! I can teach tolerance, but not acceptance as normality.
My point as related to topic:
Does this need to come up anywhere in a series of fictional books,marketed towards children, before or after the fact, whether in storyline or not? Again, absolutely not. I relate this to Walt Disney and his use of LSD. It was not like it was daily dinner conversation, or BBC headline. Would you want to teach your children that drug use is acceptable. Or that it will give you fantastic ideas ala "The Sorcerers Apprentice"
I don't care if the character bio belongs to the author or not.
Children should not be forced to deal with sexuality at all until they are of an appropriate age. This age is obviously not set in stone, but use the moral compass of your own particular culture. For her to reveal this "character trait" when it is common knowledge that her primary consumer base consists mostly of children is, in my opinion, irresponsible.
For petes sake, have some common sense.
Well put Von Messa, very articulately and intelligently put.
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As far as "normal" is concerned, I think there is sufficient evidence in nature to at least argue the point that there may be an evolutionary advantage to having a limited number of homosexual individuals in a community. It has been postulated that these individuals may be advatageous by assisting the familial gene with survival.
As far as "kids" and Harry Potter, I think people should realize that Rowling wrote the books for the age group consistant with Harry's age in the books. The last book was written for teenagers at least, notwithstanding the huge adult following.
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BFD. As if kids historicaly have never had deviants thrown at em (coliseum, public hangings, etc).
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Originally posted by moot
BFD. As if kids historicaly have never had deviants thrown at em (coliseum, public hangings, etc).
Using that same logic, because I'm endowed like a horse, and others have seen it, I should seek employment as an adult film star I guess? Precedence does not always foster just cause.
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Originally posted by VonMessa
Using that same logic, because I'm endowed like a horse, and others have seen it, I should seek employment as an adult film star I guess?
Um... Why not? If the pay is good and you've got the *ahem* assets and required skills...
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Originally posted by eagl
Um... Why not? If the pay is good and you've got the *ahem* assets and required skills...
OINK!:p
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Originally posted by VonMessa
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Is homosexuality normal. Of course not. Humans would be able to reproduce in that fashion if it were so.
As Storch says, I really don't want to see anyone swapping spit in public, man-man, woman-woman, OR man-woman. Anything more than a peck on the cheek should be left for behind closed doors.
Am I tolerant of homosexuality. Yes I must, or I would not feel right enjoying the liberties that I do as an American.
Do I need to teach my children that this is normal acceptable behavior? ABSOLUTELY NOT! I can teach tolerance, but not acceptance as normality.
My point as related to topic:
Does this need to come up anywhere in a series of fictional books,marketed towards children, before or after the fact, whether in storyline or not? Again, absolutely not. I relate this to Walt Disney and his use of LSD. It was not like it was daily dinner conversation, or BBC headline. Would you want to teach your children that drug use is acceptable. Or that it will give you fantastic ideas ala "The Sorcerers Apprentice"
I don't care if the character bio belongs to the author or not.
Children should not be forced to deal with sexuality at all until they are of an appropriate age. This age is obviously not set in stone, but use the moral compass of your own particular culture. For her to reveal this "character trait" when it is common knowledge that her primary consumer base consists mostly of children is, in my opinion, irresponsible.
For petes sake, have some common sense.
Nicely Put Sir
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Check this out, particularly at 1:15
Harry Potter Puppet Pals (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx1XIm6q4r4)
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Check this out, particularly at 1:15
Harry Potter Puppet Pals (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx1XIm6q4r4)
hehe
Revealed, Dumbledore looks more asexual than homosexual to me.