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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: JB73 on October 21, 2007, 02:58:02 AM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071020/ap_on_re_us/gun_drawing_suspension
2nd-grader suspended for drawing of gun
Sat Oct 20, 4:41 PM ET
DENNIS TOWNSHIP, N.J. - A second-grader's drawing of a stick figure shooting a gun earned him a one-day school suspension.
Kyle Walker, 7, was suspended last week for violating Dennis Township Primary School's zero-tolerance policy on guns, the boy's mother, Shirley McDevitt, told The Press of Atlantic City.
Kyle gave the picture to another child on the school bus, and that child's parents complained about it to school officials, McDevitt said. Her son told her the drawing was of a water gun, she said.
A photocopy of the picture provided by McDevitt showed two stick figures with one pointing a crude-looking gun at the other, the newspaper said. What appeared to be the word "me" was written above the shooter, with another name scribbled above the other figure.
School officials declined to comment Friday. A message left at the superintendent's office Saturday was not returned.
Kyle drew other pictures, including a skateboarder, King Tut, a ghost, a tree and a Cyclops, the newspaper reported.
this country is going to Hell in a handbasket, I can't even keep up with what is PC allowed and PC denied.
people like the parents of "the other child" on the school bus need to have some common sense slapped the *&^% into them.
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All 3 of my kids draw constantly. Most of their pictures include a multitude of guns. Thankfully they don't draw in school unless they're supposed to. :)
Round these parts I think it's more widely acceptable then everywhere else though. A huge part of the community is made up of the soldiers from the local base, who are constantly rotating in & out of Iraq.
Our community really embraces those soldiers, and understand that those men & women are heroes in the eyes of even our youngest kids. So when they see battle scenes or 'gun pictures' they don't automatically assume that the kid is going off the deep end & will end up a columbine follow-on.
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Somethings got to give .This **** is beyond out of control.
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With the massive amount of media saturation that goes on nowadays with the war going on I'm surprised this happened. How many kids see the news with their parents each night?
I was 10 years old when we went into Iraq the first time and I remember drawing some pretty wild stuff that would probably have gotten me expelled now. Who knew stick figures could be so powerful?
:O
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we are replacing a pool fence at a residence. the existing fence was wooden and about thirty years old, completely rotted out and falling apart. we have obtained all building permits. as we began to demolish the existing structure the neighbor came out and had the working supervisor call me. she is concerned that one of her kids might drown in the pool. I explain to her that in order to replace the fence we must first take down the old fence (duh) and that in the process the pool would be exposed and that this was all legal.
she calls code enforcement. a woman comes out and says that we must put up a temporary fence even though we have a permit issued to proceed as we were.
I set up a time to meet the woman code enforcement inspector, I explain that it will take just as long to put up a temporary fence as it would to erect the new permanent one.
she is having none of it so I go over her head and visit the building official in a few words he understands what we're doing and instructs us to proceed as we are (which we were anyway).
the code enforcement witch comes back out to the site wanting to know why I went over her head in a hands on her hip right pointy finger in my face sort of way.
I explained to her that since her emotions didn't allow her to process the information correctly I found someone who could (me in a be reasonable, see it my way smug attitude).
she counters with how will I feel if the lady next door's kid drowns in the pool?
I explained to her that if the toddler did have the misfortune of escaping from his doting mother and did drown in the pool that I carried sufficient insurance to cover that eventuality and that perhaps she should seek another line of work.
I had to help her pick her jaw up from the ground.
the save the children stupidity in this country is far beyond the pail at this point.
the funny thing is if the enforcement witch had not interfered in the first place the job would have been completed one day sooner thereby minimizing the exposure of the open pool.
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Good work storch.
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the funny thing is if the enforcement witch had not interfered in the first place the job would have been completed one day sooner thereby minimizing the exposure of the open pool.
Shoulda said that too :D
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Originally posted by storch
the funny thing is if the enforcement witch had not interfered in the first place the job would have been completed one day sooner thereby minimizing the exposure of the open pool.
That's typically how it goes doesn't it?
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And the ACLU remains deafeningly silent on the issue.
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I explained to her that since her emotions didn't allow her to process the information correctly I found someone who could
Moray will be along any time now to tell you how he works with women all day who are twice as smart as you and can kick your arse. Tigress may chime in long enugh to tell you that you are a neanderthal, sexist, womaphobe.
Me, I simply agree with you.
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Whew.. I drew figures like that on more than one occasion. I also liked to draw fighters, which of F-16 was my favorite and the best drawn evil killer machines.
Though, I suppose they wouldn't have minded this kid drawing tanks, fighters or warships. Hand guns are bad mm'kay.
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One of the ongoing comic strip style series of cartoons that one of kids draws is a battle between the hot dogs and the peas. They're all armed with pistols, machine guns, drive tanks, fly choppers or planes, drop bombs, dig trenches, fortify for themselves elaborate bases (all of which are heavily armed), etc. Totally creative & so fun and funny to read. Who ever would have thought food was so fun?
*edit* oh, meant to add that drawing of handguns in respect to military scenes that children draw aren't bad. Those handguns are quite commonly used in the military.
But if you're drawing a little gansta holding up the corner store w/a handgun ~ yeah, that would be bad.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Moray will be along any time now to tell you how he works with women all day who are twice as smart as you and can kick your arse. Tigress may chime in long enugh to tell you that you are a neanderthal, sexist, misogynist.
Me, I simply agree with you.
there, fixed . even though I'm not a misogyanist that will inevitably be the accusation.
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Billy and Betty can't spell, add or read. Don't worry about that... .the key thing is to watch for stick figure drawings with stick figure guns.
THERE'S the true problem our educators face.
Jebus... they'll use anything for a smoke screen to hide the real problems, won't they?
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Originally posted by storch
she counters with how will I feel if the lady next door's kid drowns in the pool?
I explained to her that if the toddler did have the misfortune of escaping from his doting mother and did drown in the pool that I carried sufficient insurance to cover that eventuality and that perhaps she should seek another line of work.
I had to help her pick her jaw up from the ground.
:rofl :aok
Originally posted by Fishu
Whew.. I drew figures like that on more than one occasion. I also liked to draw fighters, which of F-16 was my favorite and the best drawn evil killer machines.
I actually won some sort of "art" award in 4th grade for the many scenes of battle I drew instead of doing my math homework. We even played cops and robbers and used what ever was handy as our trusty sidearms. What an evil generation we turned out to be.
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Hah, well played Storchita.
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Originally posted by Toad
Billy and Betty can't spell, add or read. Don't worry about that... .the key thing is to watch for stick figure drawings with stick figure guns.
THERE'S the true problem our educators face.
Jebus... they'll use anything for a smoke screen to hide the real problems, won't they?
Hey! Just cuz ma brother billy is dumb (real brothers name btw) duzent mean me cant reed or rite. me speel just fine so pfffft! hehe
all seriousness, i personally think that the no tolerance in school for guns and such is a good thing, but to go by a drawing that a kid had done...thats ridiculous.
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Originally posted by texasmom
But if you're drawing a little gansta holding up the corner store w/a handgun ~ yeah, that would be bad.
Thats funny txmom! i agree though, my son draws pics of guns, tanks, planes, all kinds of stuff. HES A BOY...thats what they like, thats what they do :)
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Originally posted by betty
Thats funny txmom! i agree though, my son draws pics of guns, tanks, planes, all kinds of stuff. HES A BOY...thats what they like, thats what they do :)
*smile* that's right ~ boys like to break things & blow stuff up. Even when they get to be grown up boys.
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Originally posted by texasmom
*smile* that's right ~ boys like to break things & blow stuff up. Even when they get to be grown up boys.
and as we all know....some never really grow up..they get get taller, and maybe have a beer gut :)
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man i would have been imprisoned for my drawings of B-58's nuking a bunch of tanks.
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Originally posted by betty
and as we all know....some never really grow up..they get get taller, and maybe have a beer gut :)
hey I resemble that remark
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They don't care if you draw guns at catholic schools.. they are too busy teaching you how to read and write. Draw guns if you like so long as it is on your time and you are quiet and polite about it.
vouchers are the only answer.
lazs
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Originally posted by JB73
hey I resemble that remark
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LOL most the guys in AH resemble that! hehe
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Originally posted by betty
LOL most the guys in AH resemble that! hehe
have we met?
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lol john
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I'm a strong proponent of the 2nd amendment. No restrictions. House a ballistic missile in your backyard is OK by me.
Zero tolerance rules = idiocy by my reckoning. They are an admission that the people supposedly in charge can't be trusted to think.
BUT if my 7 year-old drew a picture of two people, one pointing a gun at the other, with the word "me" over the gun pointer and another kid's name over the other person, I would a) want to know about it and b) have some stern conversations with my kid about conflict resolution and gun safety. I wouldn't expect any school to let it pass without at least asking whether there's a sentiment behind the drawing that can be used as a teaching moment.
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agree with samiam... conflict resolution and gun safety are the only issues in this situation.
The NRA used to come to schools to teach gun safety but most public schools have kept them out in the last few decades.
We really do need a voucher system. The people who don't want vouchers are either the far left who want to social engineer at an early age instead of teach and.. lazy teachers who want to protect their part time jobs with full time pay.
often those opposing vouchers are both.
lazs
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well...here's my opinion, yes they have gone too far with the drawing. BUT...just last week some kid brought a gun to my daughters school, she's in middle school. he aparently just wanted to show it to his friends but still, it was a scary thought for me cuz my daughter is only a few lockers down from this kid and the school was crawling with cops. they then had to open their lockers and let the cops search the rest of the lockers also...so here is my point.....FIRST of all...if u are a parent and have fire arms in your home...LOCK THEM UP....dont leave them laying around the house so the kids can get them...boyz bein boyz..they like that stuff, think its cool....but LOCK THEM UP...its the parents responsibility to make sure that is done correctly so that stupid mistakes dont happen....like that family where the lil boy and his sis was playin around and the lil boy had the gun and shot his sister killing her. i HATE dumb parents that are irresponsible. i personally am glad that they have the "no tolerance" thing in the schools but the drawing thing was taken too far, i agree that the parents should have been notified of it so they could have had a talk with their son and the school at the same time. just because he drew a pic doesnt make him a pyco.
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You know, looking back I may not have had the brightest father. In that sense, Betty. And you know, you're right. My dad fought in Korea, and collected alot of things after that. And he kept them around the house, constantly.
We had these two little dummy grenades, I loved them when I was little, I would constantly fiddle with them, and since they were dummys I would pull the pin out, and try to get it back in, it was just something to do.
Now, I will never claim to be the smartest person, but in hindsight. I might have been one stupid prettythang little brat... Because one day I brought one of them to school, for show and tell no less!
My teacher freaked out... I can't blame her. But in my infinite Wisdom, I proved to her it was fake. By pulling the pin out. You know, I didn't even get detention...
Poor woman, I hope she's doing okay now. I haven't seen her in years.
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see! my point! lil boyz think that stuff is cool and want to show their friends.....there are some dumb parents (not puttin your parents down) but they should be more responsible with stuff like that.
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Originally posted by betty
see! my point! lil boyz think that stuff is cool and want to show their friends.....there are some dumb parents (not puttin your parents down) but they should be more responsible with stuff like that.
(Don't worry, my dad wasn't the brightest man in the world, I respect him... But responsibilty was not his forte)
And yeah, I mean, really. Heck, even grown men do. I may not be grown, but I know I gloat to my pals whenever I get something new, or cool.
Looking back, I don't even want to know what could have happened to me now adays. I do not like the idea of shot child. It just doesn't have a nice ring to it.
But I doubt that would have happened, it was a small school (20 kids average in my class total, known most of them since Kindergarten, if not longer) and there weren't any cops on School grounds. Or even in the town!
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betty... when I was going to school we brought rifles to the school and ammo.. the school would bus us to the range and an NRA instructor would teach us target shooting..
This of course.. was for kids that took the NRA safety course which was also at the school.
Lots of kids with guns at school then. Were we safer then or now?
lazs
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i think that kids now a days are more angry....they think that violence solves all problems. the world is a very angry place now a days. back when u were young laz they just invente the wheel ....so u had more stuff to keep ya busy hehe :)
jk <>
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betty.. so you think people have changed in a couple of decades?
I got news for you.. we were every bit as violent...maybe more so. I was in fights about 5 a year. maybe more. I even got in one fight at our favorite squirrel shooting spot cause the new kids were on our "turf"
We all put down our rifles and beat the crap out of each other.
We also knew how to read and write and do math. most of us had some catholic school background or religious one.
Now... tell me that the school system has made things better... tell me that the social engineering that they have had complete control of for decades is working... go ahead.. I dare ya.
Then tell me why vouchers are a bad idea... how any school anywhere can screw up our kids more than a public school can.
Every kid I knew had a gun.. often two or three. every kid I knew had been in fights... there were bullies and hardships back then too.
lazs
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wow laz....calm down...if u READ my post it was more of picking on you than anything.
my kids go to a public school. unfortunatly i cant afford to send them to a private school, however, i'm undecided on whether all this change is for the best for the schools. all i know is that some kids bringin in a gun and shootin the place up and killin other kids cuz they didnt get what they wanted from another student or whatever...it just hits close to home when its a school that your child goes to and makes you really concider home schooling. if it wasnt for the fact that i work alot and go to class i think i would home school my kids.
plz dont take anything i said in my other post out of content. the last part was ment to b a joke, i guess i didnt say it right...
and dude...laz...u have anger issues to be beating up kids that much when you were younger ....hehe...ya big BULLY! :)
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Originally posted by lazs2
betty... when I was going to school we brought rifles to the school and ammo.. the school would bus us to the range and an NRA instructor would teach us target shooting..
This of course.. was for kids that took the NRA safety course which was also at the school.
Lots of kids with guns at school then. Were we safer then or now?
lazs
you know...honestly...i think that IF the kids had ppl teaching them the proper way to handle fire arms like what you had in your younger years then maybe they wouldnt be so curious about them now. with the state funding for alot of schools bein so low these days it really hurts our kids that they dont have programs like that no more, i know in michigan our state is goin to hell fast because of the damn politicians. but thats another discussion. but they have knocked out alot of sports and everything. the department of natrual resources (DNR) have hunters safety but u have to be like 16 or so to even take that and your parents have to pay for it. i guess i can honestly say i'm not sure whats good for our schools..this is a damned if u do damned if u dont type things. so for your question of are we safer then or now.....who knows...so many things have changed and i guess when i was younger i was too busy chasing boys and partyin wit my friends to really care about that stuff...hehe
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the "zero tolerance" policy is way to strong. one of my friends has gotten suspended for two weeks because a teacher saw a laser pointer and said the same kind was on his sons airsoft gun.:huh ive never seen a lethal laser pointer.
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Originally posted by ColSuave
the "zero tolerance" policy is way to strong. one of my friends has gotten suspended for two weeks because a teacher saw a laser pointer and said the same kind was on his sons airsoft gun.:huh ive never seen a lethal laser pointer.
I'd be more cautious of a laser pointer in the hands of a kid seriously.
they CAN blind someone, and most definitely cause permanent eye damage. A few years back when they were uber-popular kids were taking them to Summerfest (A huge music festival here in Milwaukee every summer) and they were stopping concerts because so many were pointing at the stage flickering around.
on the walk to our car one night my best friend was flashed in the face from a few blocks away by one, we saw the little punk laughing and aiming at the crowd. My friend instantly fell on the ground, couldn't see in one eye, and had headaches / flashing lights in his eye for almost a week. he was lucky I think.
kids are *$&%*#$ Idiots I think, and can do a lot more damage than they know with stupid stunts like that.
I am very conservative, but I do believe there is NO reason for a minor to have a laser pointer ever.
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Originally posted by JB73
I am very conservative, but I do believe there is NO reason for a minor to have a laser pointer ever.
Pretty effing ironic there. Good job.
Maybe you'd like to move to GB and join the ban-crowd there too. LOL
Laser pointers don't blind people.... heh.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Pretty effing ironic there. Good job.
Maybe you'd like to move to GB and join the ban-crowd there too. LOL
Laser pointers don't blind people.... heh.
daaaaaang. sounding a bit like lazs ;)
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I take that as a compliment.
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Originally posted by JB73
I'd be more cautious of a laser pointer in the hands of a kid seriously.
they CAN blind someone, and most definitely cause permanent eye damage. A few years back when they were uber-popular kids were taking them to Summerfest (A huge music festival here in Milwaukee every summer) and they were stopping concerts because so many were pointing at the stage flickering around.
on the walk to our car one night my best friend was flashed in the face from a few blocks away by one, we saw the little punk laughing and aiming at the crowd. My friend instantly fell on the ground, couldn't see in one eye, and had headaches / flashing lights in his eye for almost a week. he was lucky I think.
kids are *$&%*#$ Idiots I think, and can do a lot more damage than they know with stupid stunts like that.
I am very conservative, but I do believe there is NO reason for a minor to have a laser pointer ever.
na it was one of those cheap bellybutton lasers that gets about 10ft of distance. basically a red light with a lens
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I dont see how in my dads time, you could bring knives to school. but now if ya draw a picture discuss guns, tanks, knives, fighter planes, bombs, bring laser pointers, draw pictures of guns, or have a water gun at school youll get suspended or expelled. my high school will expell you for possesing cell phones because terrorists can detonate a bomb with it.
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Originally posted by ColSuave
I dont see how in my dads time, you could bring knives to school. but now if ya draw a picture discuss guns, tanks, knives, fighter planes, bombs, bring laser pointers, draw pictures of guns, or have a water gun at school youll get suspended or expelled. one school near mine will expell you for cell phones because terrorists can detonate a bomb with it.
my daughter would die without her cellphone...aparently its the "click" as she calls it to be in the "cool" crowd.....i DO know that they can have their cellphones but they have to keep them off during school hours and keep them in their lockers. i think that since 9/11 everyone is suspicious of everyone, not knowing who u can really trust or not. we're all in panic any more about this terrist thing that its consuming our lives me thinks.
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Originally posted by lazs2
betty... when I was going to school we brought rifles to the school and ammo.. the school would bus us to the range and an NRA instructor would teach us target shooting..
This of course.. was for kids that took the NRA safety course which was also at the school.
Lots of kids with guns at school then. Were we safer then or now?
lazs
Trying to say you were safer then because you happened to have guns is like trying to say there weren't as many fatal car wrecks prior to seat belt's as there are today.
Before seat belts there were a lot less cars on the road than we have today, so trying to use a blanket statement like that is apples to oranges. More over it lacks commonsense and any real thought.
Much the same as trying to say because you may have carried a gun to school who knows how long ago and you were safer then.. So that must mean guns are safer.
Sorry but there are a whole host of reasons why people felt safer back in the day vs today. Number one reason would be population and integration of society of different cultures.
I have no idea how old you are but back in the day people used to know their neighbors. The parents knew the parents of the kids their kids went to school with. There wasn't 40 to 50 kids in a class room and teachers had a more personal relationship with their students.
There was much more trust, because there "could" be trust because others had more respect for each other. It had nothing to do with guns, that's just typical of smaller communities. Like America "used" to be in many places. Most places for the most part were somewhat isolated and did things their own way.
You wouldn't have been aloud to carry a gun to school in the Bronx for NRA class nor any any other other big city school even back in the day. Why is that? I thought guns made it all better and safer?
No it's the typical idea of as a population gets bigger and more cultures mix, the fact is there is less and less community interaction on the personal level. So with that there is less trust given.
Has nothing to do with if you could carry a gun to school or not. Feeling safer in a community comes with knowing the community, not because of the threat that everyone else has a gun. If you have to carry a gun to feel safe, I really feel sorry for you.
I'm in no way a gun hater, I have a few and I support my 2nd amendment rights, but there damn sure is a time and a place for guns and a School damn sure isn't one of them.
I have nothing against gun safety class being taught in school, but guns in school today.. No way.
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Crocket your analogy does not work because metal cages are inanimate objects, whereas criminals and armed, law abiding citizens aren't.
The means to defend yourself can come in any shape or form the mind can devise, including such a well-optimized one as guns.
And anyway you are both admiting guns are dangerous, but in the same post saying they are no guarantee of safety... They are by your own account lethal, and as such serve as amplifiers to the users' intent. Gun legislature such as CC ensure only righteous intents are permitted, i.e. self defense in life or death situations. Add to this the fact that more often than not the criminal will have the advantage if in the absence of an equalizer such as a firearm, and the math is pretty transparent.
You want to compare trust in neighbours but that is apples to oranges... Even cops whose duty and profession it is to protect people are insufficient (e.g. get there too late).
What are neighbours going to do? Mellow out the criminals holding the victim at knife's edge with their good intentions?
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Originally posted by moot
Crocket your analogy does not work because metal cages are inanimate objects, whereas criminals and armed, law abiding citizens aren't.
The means to defend yourself can come in any shape or form the mind can devise, including such a well-optimized one as guns.
And anyway you are both admiting guns are dangerous, but in the same post saying they are no guarantee of safety... They are by your own account lethal, and as such serve as amplifiers to the users' intent. Gun legislature such as CC ensure only righteous intents are permitted, i.e. self defense in life or death situations. Add to this the fact that more often than not the criminal will have the advantage if in the absence of an equalizer such as a firearm, and the math is pretty transparent.
You want to compare trust in neighbours but that is apples to oranges... Even cops whose duty and profession it is to protect people are insufficient (e.g. get there too late).
What are neighbours going to do? Mellow out the criminals holding the victim at knife's edge with their good intentions?
He was talking about carrying a gun to school when he was a kid. That's what my post was replying to.
Nothing in my post talked about not being able to defend yourself. Nothing talked about criminals. It was just a post explaining why guns shouldn't be a loud at schools.
Not about what you can do else where.
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It does apply. If schools shouldn't have guns it's mostly because of kids' immaturity, not because kids are not deserving of the same right to self-defense as anyone else. At and beyond adulthood, it doesn't apply anymore, e.g. in University campuses.
I reckon High School ought to qualify, but for the general numbskulledness of gun toter culture.
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crockit... where do you think I went to school? there were 1600 students and there were fights every day.
If they didn't teach firearms safety and marksmanship in the bronx in my day then they were simply wrong... unless you are saying that city dwellers are subhuman with no morals?
My school was as big as many bronx schools. People have not changed... The schools themselves have changed.. they teach that nothing is your fault. morality has not changed...
go back to teaching the way it was done then... the same programs.. and you will have kids that read and write better and have better morals and no more school shootings.
That can't be done tho.. the public schools are lost causes.. decades of social engineering have made them a joke.. the kids don't learn and they take no responsibility.
by your flawed reasoning... the fact that kids can't pass 1950's or 60's exams today is because... because there are more of em? do you see what I am getting at? the programs have caused the problems.
as for seatbelts... drive some 50's and 60's cars... they were a lot more dangerous and.. the roads you had to drive on much worse. Seatbelts would have helped more then than now. the fact is tho that people were more individuals then... they would have never put up with that socialist seatbelt crap... it had to be jammed down our throats a little at a time.
lazs
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I take that as a compliment.
It was meant as a compliment :)
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well... that was unexpected.
lazs
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Originally posted by betty
and as we all know....some never really grow up..they get get taller, and maybe have a beer gut :)
...and belch with greater authority! ;)
TIGERESS
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lol too funny
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then you will, no doubt, find this amusing :aok
manly-man belch climaxed with a double beer-belly slap (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZxy7DWgy8s)
This could be an olympic sport.
5.4 5.6 4.9 5.8 5.5
:rofl :rofl :rofl
There are bubbas been trainin for years.
TIGERESS
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ZOMG!!!!!!!!!!!! EWWWWWWWWWWWW! THAT DUDE ALL HAIRY YO! UCKY!
i mean....some hair isnt bad but he just isnt sexy at all!
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Originally posted by betty
ZOMG!!!!!!!!!!!! EWWWWWWWWWWWW! THAT DUDE ALL HAIRY YO! UCKY!
i mean....some hair isnt bad but he just isnt sexy at all!
but he thinks he is :rofl
Some olympic material...
American Belching Team Contenders (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VemrMdyfLP4)
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by betty
ZOMG!!!!!!!!!!!! EWWWWWWWWWWWW! THAT DUDE ALL HAIRY YO! UCKY!
i mean....some hair isnt bad but he just isnt sexy at all!
that actually looks a bit like me
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ZOMG...i remember that movie...isnt it "revenge of the nerds " or something like that? and that one lil dude with the curly mullet..his name is "booger" right?
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You mean Curtis Armstrong? (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0035664/)
I was referring to the vid of the fat belly covered in hair BTW I am a bit hairier than that guy
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The name Booger did ring a bell... I think you are right, Betty.
He did have a way with women :rofl
TIGERESS
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wow.. what would we do without all the insightful womens input?
lazs
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Originally posted by JB73
You mean Curtis Armstrong? (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0035664/)
I was referring to the vid of the fat belly covered in hair BTW I am a bit hairier than that guy
Yeah, a hairy belly is one thang... but can you belch? :rofl
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by lazs2
wow.. what would we do without all the insightful womens input?
lazs
Spend more time in the "5 shots in 0.88 seconds" thread?
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=218418
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Originally posted by lazs2
wow.. what would we do without all the insightful womens input?
lazs
hahahaha what you normally do? :rofl
TIGERESS
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Originally posted by Airscrew
Spend more time in the "5 shots in 0.88 seconds" thread?
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=218418
gee, I thought that was a tequela thread...
TIGERESS