Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: mna78 on October 21, 2007, 07:55:24 AM
-
Hi everyone,
Been flying a few months, but started in buffs mainly. Switched to flying some flighters last tour, was a painful experiance at first..... but kept with it. Anyway my plane of choice is the Spit VIII mainly as it was suggested as a good learner plane in the Training Section on here.
I am by no means any great pilot but would like to fly some similar style planes to the Spit VIII (I also fly the V some times) just to mix it up a bit.
What's the Ki84 like, I have just tried it in TA and seems to fly similar the the SpitVIII & V. Any other suggestions, I'd like a decent turning rig?
Cheers
Mark
-
It's on the same level as the Spitfire Mk. VIII... Down low, anyway. Its only drawbacks are low top speed (not even 390mph) and poor high-speed performance, courtesy of heavy control surfaces.
On the deck, though, it's a monster in the right hands.
-
Never, ever use Combat Trim with the Ki-84. It trims nose down as the speed gets higher and at 350mph you can't pull a blackout. With combat trim off you can easily pull a blackout at 400 or 450mph.
The advantages of the Ki-84 over the Spitfire Mk VIII are visibility, durability, rate of fire, roll rate, fuel endurance, WEP recharge rate and low speed turning with flaps out.
The Spitfire's advantages are firepower, bullet trajectory, high speed elevator authority, climb rate, WEP duration and performance at altitude.
In each case the degree to which there is an advantage held by one or the other is different. You will need to fly them both and see which one suits you better.
-
Mna, the Ki-84 is a great plane, very similar to Spit VIII, though, perhaps, the VIII has an edge on it (Widewing has always stated that, unfortunately we live too far away, we couldn't have a showdown in DA! :D Just do a search on the BBS, there were several Ki-84 thread).
It's a bit nastier when it stalls than a Spit, but it's a very good furballer. I never turned off Combat Trim, and I never felt the need to do so. Anyway, many other pilots, like Karnak, prefers to disable it... your choice in the end.
Another thing: it's a Jap plane, that means poor protection, especially for the pilot, it's often the first red entry in the damage list.
It likes to fight nose up, mostly because the flap can be extracted only at very low speed (<170 mph, the second thing I hate about it) and, without them, the plane is hard to control in knife fights.
Karnak, may I ask you what you mean with "durability"? And when you say that one of Spitfire advantages is "firepower"? I'd say better ballistic, on the raw hitting power side I'd say they're equivalent, Ki has a good punch.
EDIT: corrected a typo, thanks for the quote, Lusche, I saw it there! ;D
-
Originally posted by Gianlupo
Karnak, may I ask you what you mean with "durability"? And when you say that one of Spitfire advantage is "firepower"? I'd say better ballistic, on the raw hitting power side I'd say they're equivalent, Ki has a good punch.
I would say the same. Destructive power is about the same, Ki-84 having 2x12.7mm instead of Spit's 4x .303. But while Hispanos have somewhat better long range capability, I actually prefer the higher rate of fire and much better weapons installation in the Ki-84 which both comes very handy in a furball.
-
Thanks for the feedback guys, was trying the Ki84 in the DA last night during some Squad furballing. I like it, handles well down in the Death Canyons but I think if push came to shove I'd take the Spit VIII up still over the Ki84, just feels slightly more maneuverable, but the Ki is a decent alternative if I fancy a change.
Any other suggestions on a similar style aircraft?
-
Originally posted by mna78
Thanks for the feedback guys, was trying the Ki84 in the DA last night during some Squad furballing. I like it, handles well down in the Death Canyons but I think if push came to shove I'd take the Spit VIII up still over the Ki84, just feels slightly more maneuverable, but the Ki is a decent alternative if I fancy a change.
Any other suggestions on a similar style aircraft?
Well, there are the usual supects:
Spit 8, 9, 16 & 5
Hurricane II, if you want a real challenge take the I ;)
BF 109F, to some extend the G-2 too
N1k2
A6M5, if ya feel lucky try the A6M2
FM2
-
Gianlupo,
The Ki-84 takes more punishment before losing bits of itself, other than the pilot. The wings in particular are much stronger.
I think the Spitfire may have the most fragile wings in the game, even more so than the A6M2.
-
Originally posted by Gianlupo
Mna, the Ki-84 is a great plane, very similar to Spit VIII, though, perhaps, the VIII has an edge on it (Widewing has always stated that, unfortunately we live too far away, we couldn't have a showdown in DA! :D Just do a search on the BBS, there were several Ki-84 thread).
A few weeks ago the AvA had a setup which featured the Spit8 against the Frank. They really are quite close, a very fine matchup. The Spit8 is much harder to handle at low speeds, though. Since that's generally where I fight, I much (much) prefer the Frank.
- oldman
-
Originally posted by Karnak
Gianlupo,
The Ki-84 takes more punishment before losing bits of itself, other than the pilot. The wings in particular are much stronger.
I think the Spitfire may have the most fragile wings in the game, even more so than the A6M2.
CC, Karnak, never noticed that... maybe 'cause I'm too busy whining about the dang pilot! :D
Oldman, I bet you had a lot of fun! Too bad at Euro friendly hours the AvA is almost always empty. :(
-
Originally posted by Oldman731
A few weeks ago the AvA had a setup which featured the Spit8 against the Frank. They really are quite close, a very fine matchup. The Spit8 is much harder to handle at low speeds, though. Since that's generally where I fight, I much (much) prefer the Frank.
- oldman
I still have a film made by somebody some time ago in an AvA, Spit VIII vs Ki-84 setup and the Ki-84s were eating the Spit VIIIs for lunch. The Ki-84 is a very deadly fighter in AH. Not the best, but in the topend category.
-
Originally posted by Lusche
Hurricane II, if you want a real challenge take the I ;)
This plane has become one of my favorites. It's better than what a lot of people think
Banshee7
-
"I think the Spitfire may have the most fragile wings in the game, even more so than the A6M2"
That is one thing where AH differs from RL. AFAIK the wings were remarkably strong due to their structure. I have seen pictures of some impressive damage though- on aircraft that landed.
-
Originally posted by rednex21
This plane has become one of my favorites. It's better than what a lot of people think
Banshee7
Lets see...13 kills, 5 deaths in Hurri I in LW arenas.
Considering the usual standard Hurri I K/D I say:
WTG Banshee! :aok
-
"AFAIK the wings were remarkably strong due to their structure."
Well, the flexing may give indication that the wing was not actually very rigid but flexible in some ways which was supported by the tubular structure of the spar. The spar itself does not necessarily make the wing "more stronger" than those of other planes but "nearly as strong" or "as strong" keeping in mind the wing area and relative thinness of the wing profile. Some indication of relative structural strength could be calculated from the weight of the wings compared to the same detail of other fighters, but then again the structure design has a significant effect too.
-C+
-
Originally posted by Karnak
With combat trim off you can easily pull a blackout at 400 or 450mph.
Haven't flown the KI-84 lately but remember it to be a fairly decent airplane; especially in the verticle. But I seem to remember my bigest gripe about the airplane was it tended to shed parts way before 450 mph.
-
I transitioned from the Mosquito to Ki-84. The Mosquito sheds parts before 500mph too, so I have never had problems with the Ki-84. Frankly, I can't remember ever losing control surfaces on a Ki-84 due to overspeed. Certainly it does not happen at 400 or 450mph.
-
well I have had the elevators fall off more than once on the Frank from high speed dives, 400-450 as I remember.
-
You can bring the Ki84 at 450 mph without losing parts, but you have to be very careful, then, and light on commands, or you'll rip something off the plane. Beyond that speed, I usually ripped both elevators off (probabily at 460/470 mph).