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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Simaril on October 21, 2007, 04:38:11 PM
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Was flying a F4U-1A when a Zeke with 5K alt ad decided to attack. Easily pulled up abive his dive angle, and tried a couple times to get him on the roll as he looped above. Finally ran out of E, adn dove out to rebuild E. Amusingly, the Zeke tried to follow until a good chunk of his E was gone, making his RTB highly unlikely. As expected, friendlies engaged from above him, and I was able to reset the fight from my end.
He pulled back up, and I even saw him hammer an unwary friedly that tried to outturn him. Meanwhile, I popped back to the engagement with near equal E but below him. He looped over the top, and I tried to set up for the snapshot -- but rather than evade it, he continued to pull straight down. I tried to snap out of his way, but ended up getting a collision with contact right behind my canopy. System announced I had collided with him, and that he had collided with me. By the time I commited to the attack, there was absolutely nothing I could do against such a very maneuverable plane at low speed.
Apparently he just didnt know I was there. Oh, well.
Went to 200 with something along the lines of a "Why dont you look where you're going, bud? Nothing I could do to get out of a zeke's way!" The response was...ummm... less than friendly, and included references to my thick skull. While not arguing that point, Kappa simply refused to believe that he had collided with me too. So, as promised, I'm posting the screenie.
(http://332nd.org/dogs/simaril/collision%20screenie.jpg)
Not a big deal at all, but since Kappa went to such great lengths as to call me a liar later on 200, felt it appropriate to post what I said I had. The collsiion was both our faults, because we both got collision messages.
And next time, I'll remember to not assume the enemy pilot will be aware of my presence....
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Yay a collision whine thread. Hasn't been one of those in a while.
Sim ya should have HO'd him first and been in an LA-7.:D
Bronk
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Well, there is a subtle distinction here. I completely agree with the collision model, and have no argument with the outcome. I screwed up, and put my plane in his path. So it's not REALLY a collision whine thread.
I'm just responding to his calling me a liar. I have no problem with "newb" and "thick skulled", or any of the other creative epithets he dished out. They're well deserved..as is the "stubborn mule headed clueless jerk" one he left out!
And BTW, he landed the sortie with 6 kills. Definitely a skilled pilot!
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Sim you misunderstand. I know you know how it works.
It's just a preemptive strike on what it will turn into.
No offense intended, thought the HOin LA sarcasm would have been enough.
Sorry if it came off wrong.
Bronk
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You rammed him and he collided with your dead carcass!:aok
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Originally posted by SkyRock
You rammed him and he collided with your dead carcass!:aok
Lol...except thats not what happened. As I said, on my front end my plane was hit on the dorsal ridge behind the canopy by his nose , which means I was in the wrong place and the first collision registered to me. My fault, absolutely. Then, on his end, he must have minimally clipped me -- maybe his empennage hitting my elevators or something, but without enough collision for him to even take damage.
Only posted cause he said collision was all one sided (and, well, because while I was "hee hee" -ing him, he was "newb punking" me).
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well, in his defense, you are rather thick skulled ;)
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Originally posted by SkyRock
You rammed him and he collided with your dead carcass!:aok
Then it was Kappa's fault.
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you shoulda switched to Geico ,,, you woulda save millions .
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pft.. lol
you said i should take responsibility for ramming you.. I said it wasn't my fault.. you said it was..
Fact is I already had at least 3 on me.. never saw you till last sec as you were inverted above my 6 while I was trying to evade a hurricane while you were pulling into me for shot.. my message said you'd collided with me.. I didn't get the 'you have collided message'.. so goes to say it wasn't my fault.. expecially since I took no damage from it 8)
and ya for all those wondering.. I got the kill..
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
my message said you'd collided with me.. I didn't get the 'you have collided message'.. so goes to say it wasn't my fault.. expecially since I took no damage from it
Since the collision model is a no-fault system, your statement above is irrational.
When you collide, your PC PMs the collision message to the other PC. The fact that Simiril's screenshot shows the white collision message shows you did, indeed, collide. The collision was obviously minor vs. how Simiril's PC saw it, but the fact remains that you collided. Since not every collision ends in catastrophic damage, I would wager you did take damage, but just didn't notice either because you were already shot up or it was to a non-critical item like a landing gear.
The fact you did not see the orange text just means you did not pay sufficient attention. This speaks to your SA and may have something to do with why you collided in the first place.
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lol I ck'd my damage after I saw the text he had collided w/ me.. I had no damage.. but ya.. my sa sucks... and went on to land my kills.. and then next sortie landed more kills in a zeke.. but ya.. my sa sucks 8)
but the reason the collision took place was sim was more interested in ganging me and getting a kill than he was for his own hide.. pretty simple to me..
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
you shoulda switched to Geico ,,, you woulda save millions .
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1876311828589076349&q=geico+commercial&total=978&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=9
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Originally posted by E25280
Since the collision model is a no-fault system, your statement above is irrational.
and what does this mean? no fault? If that were true wouldn't it mean no one would take damage? Like as in collisions turned off? It's my understanding if a plane dives on my 6 and collides with me it is their fault and they take the damage and I do not.. I get a 'xxxx has collided with you'... xxx gets a 'you have collided'...
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
and what does this mean? no fault? If that were true wouldn't it mean no one would take damage? Like as in collisions turned off? It's my understanding if a plane dives on my 6 and collides with me it is their fault and they take the damage and I do not.. I get a 'xxxx has collided with you'... xxx gets a 'you have collided'...
No, it doesn't work like that. "Blame" is not assigned, hence my term "no-fault." There simply is, or is not, a collision.
If your computer detects that your plane and an object (tree, hanger, or another airplane) occupy the same point in space at the same time, then you suffer a collision and the resulting damage. It doesn't care whether you hit the object or the object jumps up and hits you. It simply happened or didn't.
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Since when has Kappa begun to take anything in AH this seriously?
Yer scaring me Kappa. Out of the 38 and now calling people punks.
Landing kills too. Where did we go wrong? :)
Not like you at all :huh
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How is it a gang if you dive into a cloud of red cons? You flew great, but your attitude could use some work.
Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
and what does this mean? no fault? If that were true wouldn't it mean no one would take damage? Like as in collisions turned off? It's my understanding if a plane dives on my 6 and collides with me it is their fault and they take the damage and I do not.. I get a 'xxxx has collided with you'... xxx gets a 'you have collided'...
As I suspected, you really don't understand the collision system. Kinda amusing, since you were the one to immediately start spewing "newb" and "punk."
"Fault" and "damage" are completely separate issues. "Fault" means simply that on your front end your plane intersected with an opponents plane. So, since the system clearly saw you intersect my plane's position, you also were at fault for colliding with your plane on your front end -- regardless of your not taking significant damage.
Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
....It's my understanding if a plane dives on my 6 and collides with me it is their fault and they take the damage and I do not.. I get a 'xxxx has collided with you'... xxx gets a 'you have collided'...
This is completely incorrect. If you are going slower and another plane dives on you, blacking out and not maneuvering, that does NOT mean he is the one to take damage. If on HIS front end he pulls out above you, he will NOT take damage. On the other hand, if his course projects slightly offset on your computer so that he hits you from behind, YOU take the damage -- which is as it should be, since you are responsible for the position of your plane. And, if BOTH those things happen, then YOU take the damage and he does not, regardless of who was flying stupid or who would have been "blamed" by the FAA after investigation.
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Of course we could always refrain from taking the time to type in insults on 200 and get on with the business of flying cartoon airplanes. I've died thousands of times and I always get a fresh new one. Have I 'thought' someone was a jerk? Yep.. many times. Frankly my in game time is more valuable to me than to bother with name calling on 200. But that's just me. As noted in other threads I'm insane and rather stupid.
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lol guppy.. he kinda seemed harsh to me so i guess thats why i reacted that way..
How can a faster plane dive on my 6.. collide with me.. him explode and i take no damage.. i've seen this happen many times... hell, i've done it.. I've had it done to me..
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Originally posted by Simaril
How is it a gang if you dive into a cloud of red cons? You flew great, but your attitude could use some work. [/B]
Even if that were true.. the con I engaged and then seconds later the 2 more that came for me was not a cloud and you were not there.. you were re-alting.. once I am engaged with other cons and you return is reason enough for me to say you were attempting to gang me.. I'm not really concerned if ganging is right or wrong.. but the fact remains..
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As I understand it, and I may be wrong....
If you collide with someone (i.e. your plane occupies the same space as an enemy plane, whether "you rammed them" or "they rammed you" as far as you 'see'), you get a message "You have collided with soandso."
If someone collides with you, you get the message "soandso has collided with you".
In the latter case, you take damage. In the former, you take no damage.
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In real life....If planes collided...wouldn't both probably get damage if not both explode?
This is my beef with the whole collision thing.
300-500 mph and hit something? In mid air? while that was also moving really fast?
Dead people.....It would be dead people.
So with the "realistic" aspect that is brought up here on this BBS this seems to be the most unrealistic thing in the game.
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Kappa:
Hey, I've not been looking for a flame war here. As I've said repeatedly, I scr@wed up and I died. I posted because you refused to believe you had collided. That's it. I admit I was annoyed that a player with way more skill than me, who I thought carried himself with class, was consistently pretty nasty even when I was chuckling the only way we can on 200 ("he he").
I've not had a good month here or IRL... and, after all, nobody likes being called a liar.
As far as I'm concerned, there is no issue and the whole thing is over. The argument was stupid enough in the first place, and letting it get in the way of what's really important -- relationships between people -- would be beyond ignorance. On this end, I refuse to let that happen.
If I pizzed you off, I apologize. , and I'll see you in the cartoon skies (probably glued to my 6).
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Originally posted by RedTop
In real life....If planes collided...wouldn't both probably get damage if not both explode?
This is my beef with the whole collision thing.
300-500 mph and hit something? In mid air? while that was also moving really fast?
Dead people.....It would be dead people.
So with the "realistic" aspect that is brought up here on this BBS this seems to be the most unrealistic thing in the game.
but I thank gawd for it myself.. b/c i don't have to worry about peps i may or may not see sticking their prop thru my rudder while going for a shot.. I think the collison model is perfect..
and again Simaril.. I took 'NO' damage from your collision.. None.. not a gun.. not a gear.. nothing... I'm not saying you guys are wrong about how you view the model but something sure isn't complete about it..
It is possible for a plane to dive on my 6.. collide with me.. explode.. and me take no damage.. seems like fault or blame to me.. just like what happened today.
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Jeesh, I am getting too impatient to type anymore. Try this thread (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=200667&perpage=25&highlight=collision&pagenumber=1) and pay special attention to responses by Bronk (especially his pictures), WMLute and Lusche. It is quite long, but if you pay attention to the ones trying to explain rather than the ones trying to complain, you should be able to get it.
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Originally posted by Simaril
Kappa:
Hey, I've not been looking for a flame war here. As I've said repeatedly, I scr@wed up and I died. I posted because you refused to believe you had collided. That's it. I admit I was annoyed that a player with way more skill than me, who I thought carried himself with class, was consistently pretty nasty even when I was chuckling the only way we can on 200 ("he he").
yes, the only way we can on 200.. had i seen a 'he he' anywhere in your text im certain I would have reacted differently.. and as far as i can tell i've not flamed at all.. simply telling what I saw from my perspective..
got no hard feelings here.. and never would in this game..
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
It is possible for a plane to dive on my 6.. collide with me.. explode.. and me take no damage.. seems like fault or blame to me.. just like what happened today.
Yes, because he flew into you on his computer, and he died. On your computer he did not come in contact with your aircraft, so you did not collide, and you took no damage.
Had you paid attention to the text buffer, it would have said in white "Diving-guy collided with you." This means his PC detected the collision, killed him, and transmitted the fact of the collision to your PC. You did not see an orange "you have collided" message, therefore you took no damage.
Please see the link in my previous reply if you haven't already.
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Originally posted by E25280
Jeesh, I am getting too impatient to type anymore. Try this thread (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=200667&perpage=25&highlight=collision&pagenumber=1) and pay special attention to responses by Bronk (especially his pictures), WMLute and Lusche. It is quite long, but if you pay attention to the ones trying to explain rather than the ones trying to complain, you should be able to get it.
lol wtf? i get he whole frontend portion of the statements.. I'm well aware of that..
which is my point.. if a faster con dives and collides with me (say they run straight up my rudder) they take the damage and i do not.. so there 'IS' a collison on ones frontend and not on mine.. hence they explode and i fly away..
I'll try not to sound irrational but I'd say it was the fault of the one that exploded.
Had you paid attention to the text buffer, it would have said in white "Diving-guy collided with you." This means his PC detected the collision, killed him, and transmitted the fact of the collision to your PC. You did not see an orange "you have collided" message, therefore you took no damage.
this IS what i saw... or did you miss that when you quoted me?
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
I'm not saying you guys are wrong about how you view the model
BTW it has nothing to do with how we "view" the model, but rather how HiTech and Company have explained it over and over. The best, most in-depth explanation of it was given at the last AH Con, and someone recorded and posted the audio of HiTech's explanation.
Since they don't have the time to respond to all these threads, members of the community chase the windmills for them.
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
this IS what i saw... or did you miss that when you quoted me?
My bad. I went back and re-read what you wrote before that started me down this road . . .
I thought you said (as many have done before) that the computer decided someone was to blame for a collision, and assigned damage based on who was to blame for it. I got caught up in trying to explain the separate realities of your PC vs his PC.
I think I started from an erroneous premise.
I have to stop watching football and typing at the same time. Makes me look silly. :o
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What i don't get is, why the attitude about it. I'm sure Sim didn't want to rip his plane apart by hitting kappa. Gentlemen accidents happen, E is misjudged , con makes an unexpected move. Why start the name calling about it? Seriously it's not like Sim is a 2weeker. You know the type, la-7 flying like a guided missile guns blazing till impact.
Lighten up a bit, it's a game after all.
Bronk
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
yes, the only way we can on 200.. had i seen a 'he he' anywhere in your text im certain I would have reacted differently.. and as far as i can tell i've not flamed at all.. simply telling what I saw from my perspective..
got no hard feelings here.. and never would in this game..
and hereupon the thread endeth
two class guys had a misunderstanding. A fine lesson for new guys that collisions, much like expending fecal matter, occurs.
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Originally posted by Bronk
What i don't get is, why the attitude about it. I'm sure Sim didn't want to rip his plane apart by hitting kappa. Gentlemen accidents happen, E is misjudged , con makes an unexpected move. Why start the name calling about it? Seriously it's not like Sim is a 2weeker. You know the type, la-7 flying like a guided missile guns blazing till impact.
Lighten up a bit, it's a game after all.
Bronk
I agree totally.. But how Simaril constructs himself now and what I read are two different animals.. Obviously I could have used abit more patience but I've always given what I 'thought' I was getting.. Can't see I'll ever change.. Too old too anyway..
So, if you mean to say that I had all the attitude, I suggest you reread the SS and this thread and take a look from my perspective.. Like I said a 'hehe' anywhere woulda went a longway. 8)
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
... Like I said a 'hehe' anywhere woulda went a longway. 8)
Check out the 9th line under "Kappa has collided with you." It says "hee hee"
Just sayin.
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Yey a collision thread..I have one for yea.
Saturday in Der Grosse Schlag I'm doing a auto climb after a refuel. I'm watching a con that's on my lower six probably 8k below me so I can't see his icon to see if he's friend or foe.
Next thing I know I get rammed from behind by a P51 whom dove in from who knows where because I never saw him. I get the collision message and take all the damage with one of my wings getting ripped off among various other parts.
I know collisions topics is like beating a dead horse, but please tell me why a guy can ram me from behind while I'm in in a auto climb yet it's somehow my fault.
I've had this kind of collision more than once. I'm sorry I could care less what my game data says or what his says, if the other guy hits me from behind and I take damage, then he sure as hell should take damage too.
If you are hit in the rear quarter of the plane either both planes should take the damage or neither should.
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KAPPA EATS BABIES!
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Originally posted by Scotch
KAPPA EATS BABIES!
He must be French.
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kappa tried to ram me the other night in a 262!!!! :P
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Originally posted by crockett
I know collisions topics is like beating a dead horse, but please tell me why a guy can ram me from behind while I'm in in a auto climb yet it's somehow my fault.
He didn't hit you, you hit him.
You are thinking in real world terms, not computer terms.
The computer doesn't care and can't tell any of that judgemental stuff. It only knows that on your FE your aircraft and his aircraft occupied the same space. His FE knows that your aircraft and his aircraft did not occupy the same space. Therefor you take the damage and he does not. Has nothing to do with who's "fault" it was.
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get a life
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Originally posted by Karnak
He didn't hit you, you hit him.
You are thinking in real world terms, not computer terms.
The computer doesn't care and can't tell any of that judgemental stuff. It only knows that on your FE your aircraft and his aircraft occupied the same space. His FE knows that your aircraft and his aircraft did not occupy the same space. Therefor you take the damage and he does not. Has nothing to do with who's "fault" it was.
from my post...
I'm sorry I could care less what my game data says or what his says, if the other guy hits me from behind and I take damage, then he sure as hell should take damage too.
It really should be just as simple as that.. either we both take the damage or neither of us do. The way it works now is extreemly flawed.
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Originally posted by RedTop
In real life....If planes collided...wouldn't both probably get damage if not both explode?
This is my beef with the whole collision thing.
300-500 mph and hit something? In mid air? while that was also moving really fast?
Dead people.....It would be dead people.
So with the "realistic" aspect that is brought up here on this BBS this seems to be the most unrealistic thing in the game.
Maybe not if they just brushed (like losing 1 gun in a collision in-game).
Also, while you may be doing 500 mph during a collision, it may be from behind while the other guy is doing 475 mph making it effectively a 25 mph collision.
I'm sure there's other scenarios that would limit catastophic damage.
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Originally posted by Scotch
KAPPA EATS BABIES!
No wonder Kappa keeps asking to come over to "show me something". He's after my tinies!
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/4kids.jpg)
I'm keeping a close eye on them, Kappa!
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/freetime.jpg)
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Originally posted by crockett
from my post...
I'm sorry I could care less what my game data says or what his says, if the other guy hits me from behind and I take damage, then he sure as hell should take damage too.
It really should be just as simple as that.. either we both take the damage or neither of us do. The way it works now is extreemly flawed.
Both of you taking damage no matter what is even more flawed. How would you feel if on your FE you lose a wing when you clearly did not hit someone? If neither of you take damage it would open the door to a ridiculous level of lame gameplay. What we have is as good as it gets for the time being.
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Originally posted by crockett
from my post...
I'm sorry I could care less what my game data says or what his says, if the other guy hits me from behind and I take damage, then he sure as hell should take damage too.
It really should be just as simple as that.. either we both take the damage or neither of us do. The way it works now is extreemly flawed.
Too good to look the link?
Originally posted by Bronk
Slappy, it's my personal windmill.:D
Tangle's external from his front end the moment of impact.
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n277/1bronk1/Tanglesview.jpg)
Same basic angle external, tangle's view from my front end moment of impact.
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n277/1bronk1/myview.jpg)
How would you feel taking damage looking at your film and seeing tangles front end view, hmmmmmm?
I know I'd be pretty POed.
Bronk
Edit: This also works nicely for the "none should take damage" people.
Yea I should be able to put the nose of my ac through another.:furious :furious :furious :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
It's mind numbingly simple. On his front end he probably passed over the top. While you flew up into him on yours.
Bronk
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Boy Steve, you have a regular team there. They all look the same age too. Thats the best way to do it, to have all of them while your young. Congrats.
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Originally posted by Simaril
Kappa:
Hey, I've not been looking for a flame war here. As I've said repeatedly, I scr@wed up and I died. I posted because you refused to believe you had collided. That's it. I admit I was annoyed that a player with way more skill than me, who I thought carried himself with class, was consistently pretty nasty even when I was chuckling the only way we can on 200 ("he he").
I've not had a good month here or IRL... and, after all, nobody likes being called a liar.
Don't want to prolong the thread ... BUT ... had you not said anything to him in the first place, he never would have responded. You provoked it and you got some back ... and it went downhill from there.
Your "he he" came 2 lines later ... the horse was out of the barn by then.
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Steve:
great looking crew! Amazing you even have time to get online herding those cats.
Slap:
Absolutely right. This AM in the shower (prime meditation time!) realized (again) that I just plain need to keep my mouth shut after dying. Period.
Best "Jerkiness control mechanism" there is, and (especially when having RL stress) I have a hard time doing it. Regardless, I started the problem and I shouldn't have.
Dave
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Originally posted by Simaril
Steve:
great looking crew! Amazing you even have time to get online herding those cats.
Slap:
Absolutely right. This AM in the shower (prime meditation time!) realized (again) that I just plain need to keep my mouth shut after dying. Period.
Best "Jerkiness control mechanism" there is, and (especially when having RL stress) I have a hard time doing it. Regardless, I started the problem and I shouldn't have.
Dave
:aok
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Originally posted by Slash27
Both of you taking damage no matter what is even more flawed. How would you feel if on your FE you lose a wing when you clearly did not hit someone? If neither of you take damage it would open the door to a ridiculous level of lame gameplay. What we have is as good as it gets for the time being.
You're looking at it at the opposite of what I'm saying. I'm not saying there should be a condition of if one guy See's the collision, then both "have" to.
I'm saying if both "don't" see the same collision then neither should take the damage.
As it sits right now a guy with a slower computer or laggy connection has the advantage over the guy with a faster system and connection.
If the code is good enough to be able to track where bullets from my guns are in relation to where they impact on another plane. Then the game should be able to use that same tracking info to tell if both planes are in the same space at the same time or not.
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steve you raising more wingmen for your hasty retreat from the furball? :D
which one is skyrock? Im assuming he isnt in the picture...probably in timeout somewhere :p
nice family
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Originally posted by crockett
You're looking at it at the opposite of what I'm saying. I'm not saying there should be a condition of if one guy See's the collision, then both "have" to.
I'm saying if both "don't" see the same collision then neither should take the damage.
As it sits right now a guy with a slower computer or laggy connection has the advantage over the guy with a faster system and connection.
If the code is good enough to be able to track where bullets from my guns are in relation to where they impact on another plane. Then the game should be able to use that same tracking info to tell if both planes are in the same space at the same time or not.
This would make the probability of a collision so remote that is would be as if no collisions we recorded. Again, making it open season for the HO fest!
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Hheheh thanks all. :)
Rich, you are correct, they are all from the same litter.
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Originally posted by crockett
You're looking at it at the opposite of what I'm saying. I'm not saying there should be a condition of if one guy See's the collision, then both "have" to.
I'm saying if both "don't" see the same collision then neither should take the damage.
As it sits right now a guy with a slower computer or laggy connection has the advantage over the guy with a faster system and connection.
If the code is good enough to be able to track where bullets from my guns are in relation to where they impact on another plane. Then the game should be able to use that same tracking info to tell if both planes are in the same space at the same time or not.
My god pictures don't do it, don't know what will.
This is so wrong I don't know where to start.
If both see the collision both take damage.
Connection makes no difference. The game is played on your PC, the servers is just an info transfer hub.
Hits message is sent from your pc to the hub then your targets. Thats why you go poof instantly in a collision. But it takes your target a bit to die from a good gun burst.
Bronk
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It's hard to make the case that seeing a collision and not getting damaged is better for gameplay especially while watching someone collide with you, shoot you from the inside of your plane, and then fly away like some kind of ghost ship. It is just the opposite of both planes take damage if one person sees the collision. The best fix, though a compromise, is what we have now.
I can't see what is wrong with the way it is. You hit him, or your pc sees him hit you (same thing), you take damage. If you don't hit him, but he hits you, you don't, he does. Sounds pretty fair to me. Not sure how you could make it any better. Until we get insta information transfers that is:noid
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Hheheh thanks all. :)
Rich, you are correct, they are all from the same litter.
Is there anything better then being a Daddy?? No, I dont think so. Its even more fun then playing AH. I hope you have a video camera Steve, those years are over all to fast and its great to have the memories. Thats when I got into video, when my little guy came into the world.
I have it all on DVD now. The x'mas's, ballgames, B-day parties, everything. Good stuff, being a father. ...Rich
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Originally posted by Simaril
Check out the 9th line under "Kappa has collided with you." It says "hee hee"
Just sayin.
You're right.. I apologize 8)
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
lol guppy.. he kinda seemed harsh to me so i guess thats why i reacted that way..
How can a faster plane dive on my 6.. collide with me.. him explode and i take no damage.. i've seen this happen many times... hell, i've done it.. I've had it done to me..
Ok youngman its time to send you to a re-education center....
:lol