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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Slash27 on October 22, 2007, 10:35:53 PM
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http://cbs11tv.com/topstories/local_story_294215257.html
My favorite line in the article, "Opponents feel the city's policy of only accepting a Texas driver's license or ID card as proof of identification will harm illegal immigrants and promote deportation. "
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They are flooding over here now:furious
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The move is the latest form of protest against the city's criminal alien program. The program allows federal immigration agents access to the jail to determine the residency status of prisoners.
Poor Babies!!!!
Yeah, the criminal illegals are the ones everyone wants to keep around.
Jebus......... every time I think there is no limit to the stupidity........
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Seems that stupid begets stupid at times. That is about as rediculous a reason for a boycot as I have ever seen.
Mark
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Good example of silly. The law should apply to everyone equally. Civil rights activists fought for that for years. Some of these protesters need a crash course in both the history of civil rights and law. Wait, I believe they may be getting the practical course now. ;)
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the more of these outlandish stories, the more I think real America is going to wake up and say "get these wastes of oxygen out of here"... and then come to vote in candidates who are anti-illegals (mainly republicans)
hey I can hope ;) :aok
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What do I have to do in order to get them to boycott farmers branch too? Think we can get them to boycott San Diego? It would sure cut down on crime and traffic... The last time they boycotted calif, traffic was the lightest it had been in about 20 years. I wish they'd do that more often.
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Think we could get a complete boycott of North Texas going?? That would be super!!:aok
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during the last "day without a mexican" my nieghbor asked me if i would pick up a soda for him from the store.
i laughed. alot.
no. i did not.
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p.s. - remember the alamo.
;)
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Originally posted by JB88
p.s. - remember the alamo.
;)
Make them think they're winning, then slaughter the whole lot of them?
:confused:
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Originally posted by JB88
p.s. - remember the alamo.
;)
Actually there were a bunch of Hispanics that died at the Alamo alongside all the others.
Mark
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Originally posted by Mark Luper
Actually there were a bunch of Hispanics that died at the Alamo alongside all the others.
Mark
Good to remember, Mark. Sometimes the momentum gets out of hand lashing back at the overzealous protesters. :)
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Originally posted by Mark Luper
Actually there were a bunch of Hispanics that died at the Alamo alongside all the others.
Mark
yes, i know...fighting for independence from mexico.
i am not a racist, nor am i opposed in any way to immigration. i am opposed to the flouting of the law and order by all parties concerned. i am opposed to the costs that we are having to pay.
we are all responsible for the problem...but i blame employers and politicians more than anyone.
there should be order. and i think that we should have a broader view of who we are bringing in and why. skilled labor particularly.
i can't even begin to tell you the troubles we have had here over the past two years in our once quiet neighborhood on a nice little dirt road on a bayou in florida. perhaps it has tainted my view...but i have attempted to keep an open mind...but when i see mounds of trash piling out of thier yard...well. it's hard.
they have had up to 13 living in a 3 bedroom house across the street. the house that mrs. 88's great grandfather built.
i have to wade through it everyday to get to my studio.
needless to say, i have stood up to them. even when they have threatened me. they have done this often.
i was even attacked once. he lost.
i won't be afraid...and i am slowly pressing them into normalcy (while researching every possible avenue to have them removed.)
i digress.
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Originally posted by JB88
yes, i know...fighting for independence from mexico.
That would be the fight, yes. If you think about it, same as it is today for many. ;)
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sheeple, do you not yet realize that every law you pass into existance only serves to limit you?
the federal government does not enforce existing laws, they are illegal immigrants. do you think any more litigation will make them illegal illegal immigrants?
america deserves the government it is getting the sheeple are bleating for more of it daily.
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Is there a list of strores in Irving that we can buy online from?
I find it strange but jb88 is making sense on this.. It must be causing him some personal hardship.
arlo... not sure what your point is. You don't see a difference in the residents of Texas in the 1800's fighting to free themselves from mexican rule and illegal aliens?
The illegals feel that the border is open and anyone who is standing on American soil is.... an American.. with the same rights as everyone else. They also think that this is a socialist country where wealth is simply divided up and given to the poor until they have as much as they want..
We are doing nothing to prove them wrong.
lazs
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this subject is one that you and i have always agreed on lasz.
especially where concerned with employers.
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Originally posted by JB88
this subject is one that you and i have always agreed on lasz.
especially where concerned with employers.
JB, I too beleive there is a problem with illegal immigrants and one that needs to be addressed with the laws already in place.
When you wrote "Remember the Alamo", I just wanted to point out that some Hispanics fought for Texas independance too and that the fact they are Hispanic in and of itself does not make them and their decendants any less a citizen of our country.
I understand your frustration. I had to deal with something similar in a machine shop I worked at. Though hard working, the owner was hiring illegals at a fraction of what a citizen would be paid for doing the same job. My gripe was that they took someone's job who had a right to be here.
Mark
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the really sad thing is, is that people really do support illegal alien rights...
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by JB88
snip....we are all responsible for the problem...
Huh.,...no...I disagree
I haven't smuggled , employed , supoorted in anyway directly to illegals.
I haven't supported illegal immigration at all.
Sorry....I just disagree with this part of your statement.:)
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all citizens must claim some responsibility for the society they live in.
what do you do redtop?
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Supervisor of a Computer Room.
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Originally posted by Mark Luper
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I understand your frustration. I had to deal with something similar in a machine shop I worked at. Though hard working, the owner was hiring illegals at a fraction of what a citizen would be paid for doing the same job. My gripe was that they took someone's job who had a right to be here.
Mark
I often wonder at the perspective people see these situations with.
Personally, I don't have any gripe with someone who wants to earn a wage taking a job that's offered to him, even if he is a foreigner. I can understand that.
But I do have a major gripe with every SOB who is a citizen here that deliberately disobeys our laws in order to enrich himself by exploiting people who will accept the pittance he offers them, and not hiring those who are citizens at the going rate.
IMO, its this SOB who is the root of the problem, not the immigrants. If we would clean our own house of ****-heads like him, we would make major progress in solving the problem of illegal immigration by drying up the source of the bait that draws them here.
I'm more offended by one of my own stabbing me and his nation in the back than by a foreigner from a country less fortunate than ours seeking to work and earn, call me crazy.
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Originally posted by culero
I often wonder at the perspective people see these situations with.
Personally, I don't have any gripe with someone who wants to earn a wage taking a job that's offered to him, even if he is a foreigner. I can understand that.
But I do have a major gripe with every SOB who is a citizen here that deliberately disobeys our laws in order to enrich himself by exploiting people who will accept the pittance he offers them, and not hiring those who are citizens at the going rate.
IMO, its this SOB who is the root of the problem, not the immigrants. If we would clean our own house of ****-heads like him, we would make major progress in solving the problem of illegal immigration by drying up the source of the bait that draws them here.
I'm more offended by one of my own stabbing me and his nation in the back than by a foreigner from a country less fortunate than ours seeking to work and earn, call me crazy.
Spot on. Though I still think the boycott and protecting criminals from INS is loopy.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Spot on. Though I still think the boycott and protecting criminals from INS is loopy.
Well, yeah, I was just side-tracking :)
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Originally posted by Mark Luper
When you wrote "Remember the Alamo", I just wanted to point out that some Hispanics fought for Texas independance too and that the fact they are Hispanic in and of itself does not make them and their decendants any less a citizen of our country.
I have to point out, though, that you just fell for the pro-illegal crowd's attempt at making this a racial issue.
It isn't.
I don't care if the illegals are Mexican, Indian, Chinese, African, Bosnian, Polish, British, Canadian, whatever. If they are not supposed to be here, I don't want them here. Period.
But, Mexico is where upwards of 90% of the problem comes from, whether they are actually Mexican or originate from some other country. If it is >90% of the problem, solving that problem puts a much bigger dent than concentrating on the <10%.
I guarantee, if there were 2-3 million Europeans entering the US illegally each year by boat, you would hear people calling for expanded Coast Guard capability to stop the influx. If planeloads of illegal Chinese were flying in daily, landing on our interstates to disgorge their "cargo", you would hear people wondering why we aren't shooting them down as soon as they enter our airspace.
But they are walking here more often than not. This is why the call is for better enforcement on the Mexican border.
Race has nothing to do with it.
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I don't know if they are making it a racial issue. The subject was about a particular group of illegals and a particular incident. The Mexicans from Mexico and a particular group who speaks for them. That is the issue I was addressing.
I will say though that I feel the same way about any illegal regardless of origin.
Mark
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"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled criminals yearning to breathe free,
The criminal element of your teeming shore.
Send these, the burglars and murderers to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
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Originally posted by Toad
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled criminals yearning to breathe free,
The criminal element of your teeming shore.
Send these, the burglars and murderers to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
The way I remember it is this way:
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to be free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Mark
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i remember it that way too.
and they used to come through ellis island.
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They've .... always come through more than just Ellis. ;)
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true. i was using it as an example.
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Here's the major issue here. And i'll say it as blantanly as i can say here. If Mexico was not a country of Mexicans, but was a country of white people you'd see much less concern about it, even if they were criminals. Most conservatives or so prejudicial and racist and small minded they don't realize it themselves, and expose themselves by there stances.
I think immigration should be controlled. For reasons of economics, jobs, fairness to other Americans. If you want to be a citizen of America there is a process that can make it so. It doesn't mean you can't be American. Follow the process of law and your fine if not back you go. America simply does not have the resources to continue to take this and we must protect our influx of population. However some of the mass paranoia of people about this has me thinking there's more to it than just the reasons i've just described.
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Yep, the only folks who don't want illegal immigrants in the US are just
bigoted scum using the issue to cover their neo-nazi agenda. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Rino
Yep, the only folks who don't want illegal immigrants in the US are just
bigoted scum using the issue to cover their neo-nazi agenda. :rolleyes:
No of course not, i don't believe that. There are plenty of people who want it for the right reasons and not superficial shallow reasons. I am worried that's where some of this is coming from though.
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Originally posted by LEADPIG
No of course not, i don't believe that. There are plenty of people who want it for the right reasons and not superficial shallow reasons. I am worried that's where some of this is coming from though.
So only the ones who don't follow your political ideology are the bigoted scum?
Sounds like you have a big future within the Democratic Party. You've gotten their basic mantra down pat.
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Originally posted by LEADPIG
Here's the major issue here. And i'll say it as blantanly as i can say here. If Mexico was not a country of Mexicans, but was a country of white people you'd see much less concern about it, even if they were criminals. Most conservatives or so prejudicial and racist and small minded they don't realize it themselves, and expose themselves by there stances.
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leadpig...you are a tool... a product of your own skin and media hacks. It is you who see bigotry in everything not us. You wish to assign a racial motive to everything... methinks it is an excuse for something.
My girlfriend is of mexican decent... my grand daughter is half. I am very fond of both regardless of skin color. I don't think they deserve any special treatment over anyone else tho. I don't believe that they have any more right to break laws than anyone else... no less right either..
Now.. you take my girlfriend... she hates illegals... really hates. I have a hard time moderating her views.. she blames them. It is all I can do to convince her it is the employers fault. she sees them as unwashed, ungrateful and lazy scumbags and criminals who can't even speak one language... there are plenty that are like that to prove her point. We do tend to attract the worst mexico has to offer.
And why is that? why do we get the worst? welllll.... we are accepting those who are willing to put themselves into virtual slavery.. to do so they are willing to break a countries laws. They break the law to work for slave labor and hope to suck up social welfare... you aren't going to get anyone worthwhile with that immigration policy except by the sheerest of chance.
both my girlfriend and my grand daughter are more hispanic than you are negro sooo.. drop the attitude and the whining.
lazs
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Originally posted by majic
So only the ones who don't follow your political ideology are the bigoted scum?
Sounds like you have a big future within the Democratic Party. You've gotten their basic mantra down pat.
My political ideology is that they should not be allowed to run freely into America, due to population issues, Economic issues, which cause job and opportunity issues for other legal American citizens. I'd love to fulllfill our mantra to the letter and let every good person in who respects our great country and yearns to become a citizen, but unfortunately we can't do that. We can not handle such an influx and it can cause problems. People who want to follow the legal way of becoming a citizen, should be welcomed with open arms. That is my political ideology... i repeat it since you don't understand.
I do believe some of the paranoia is due to the immigrants ethnicity. Some people are affected by this. According to what you said Lasz you are on the good side of it, some are not. Once again you have gotten your tongues in the way of your ears and have not heard a word i said. Once again some of this uproar over immigration would not be happening if these people were of a different race. If you think even a small faction of that is not possible and could not be happening at all, then you are probably the one.
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Originally posted by LEADPIG
Once again some of this uproar over immigration would not be happening if these people were of a different race.
crap, i always thought hispanics were white, shows how dumb i am , thanks for straightening me out on that leadpig.
PS, what about Italians, are they white?
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ledpig... You didn't need to mention race at all. We are talking about a simple illegal activity.
Sure... If all the illegals were doctors and engineers and never accepted any of this countries social welfare and all spoke the language and did not insist we cater to them...
Yeah.. we might not be complaining so much but it would have nothing to do with their skin color.
I would welcome open borders but.... either we get rid of social programs for all people.. citizens and anyone else or... we give benifiets to only citizens.
Do that and you can have open borders.. but, to make it the worst of all both worlds... accept criminals and then give them the same benifiets as those who pay for them...
That is like putting out a bunch of bird feeders full of seed and then complaining that there are too many birds around.
lazs
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Originally posted by LEADPIG
Once again some of this uproar over immigration would not be happening if these people were of a different race.
Because Mexicans are the only immigrants to ever be discriminated against? I've got news for ya, as soon as 20,000,000 Canadians cross illegally[/I] into our country and start leeching our welfare system dry, I'll have just as big a problem with them.
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Originally posted by Viking
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lol a terrible movie about a group of traitors.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Arlo
They've .... always come through more than just Ellis. ;)
But that was LEGAL immigration. I have no problem with that.
My problem is the illegals. Don't play the race card. I don't care if they are from Mexico, Canada, Brazil, South Africa, Australia, Germany, Italy, Kuwait, or Mongolia. I don't care if they are white, black, hispanic, asian, or little green men from Uranus. Illegal is illegal.
I can fix the problem in less than 3 months.
1) Build wall (Berlin style) at Southern Border. Shoot-to-kill. After the first few are shot and hanging on barbed wire, the rest might not be quite so eager to try to cross.
2) Check every criminal's legal status in the country. If they don't belone here, let's not keep them in jail, let's get their butts outta here and let them be someone else's problem.
3) Check every employer's files for worker status. Kick out illegal worker, fine th living daylights out of business owner.
4) Check legal status of everyone who applies for any type of government ID or aid.
5) Use those nice sobriety checkpoints the local police like to setup and check legal status there too.
After stopping the flow in, shouldn't take too long to get rid of the ones already here.
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What I dont understand is why the government doesnt jail the individuals that hire illegals... and heavily fine (or close down) bussinesss that hire illegals.
Its not a matter of 'big X corporation is hiring illegals' or 'X person hired illegals because his employer told him to'... nuh-uh. The law must apply to both the individual and the company.
If an employer tells an employee to hire illegals when emploee knows it IS illegal, then that employee is going against the law and should be jailed along with the boss that told him to hire the illegal as well as a very heavy fine being levied against that company (for they are responsible as well).
Too many companies happily pay the light fines for hiring illegals with the claim that 'oh we didnt know this bad employee of ours was hiring illegals' excuse.
Start giving a 2 year jail sentence and a 1 million dollar fine PER hired illegal to any bussiness caught with illegals on their payroll and i'll betcha the treasury will swell.
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Originally posted by culero
IMO, its this SOB who is the root of the problem, not the illegal alien.
Fixed...
The problem is not the worker.. the problem is non-law abiding individuals.... the group that ALL ILLEGAL aliens fall into.
While your at it... check out the FBI's 10 most wanted fugitives. Nine of the ten are illegals from mexico.
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Who I'm trying to understand in all this stuff in the nation at large on the issue are those who will want you thrown in jail for robbing a store which is an illegel action all in itself and those same individuals sayng its ok for an "illeagel" to be here illegaly. Both are crimes that are against the law. Why do they think one is ok and the other isnt?
I'm all for questioning an individual about their citizenship and the shipping out of those who dont belong here regardless where they are from. I'm all for folks comming here legaly to make a better life. I dont like line cutters and the ones who are here legaly cut in line of somebody trying to do the right thing to better their life. All the illegals need to be shipped out to make room for the honest ones trying to do the right thing and come into the U.S. legaly.
Hell I'mm all for even given them a peanut butter and jelly sandwhich that is heavy on the peanut butter, no milk though, while they are waiting to be shipped home and shown where the end of the line is at so they can wait their turn like everyone else.
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Originally posted by Shuffler
While your at it... check out the FBI's 10 most wanted fugitives. Nine of the ten are illegals from mexico.
Sounds like you are presesnting that as some sort of evidence, like it means something. Like it's because they are illegals from Mexico. Like it's because of they're ethnicity.... you sound prejudiced and you don't even know it.
If you are against it no matter what their ethnicity is, then you are on my side about it. They are fugitives because they are *******s, nothing else. I wonder how some of you would feel and how loud you'd scream if say these people were English. When you say comments like the above it makes me wonder.
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Tiger has my vote :)
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
lol a terrible movie about a group of traitors.
ack-ack
Yeah, I guess that's what they are called in your country. In Mexico they have two national holidays in their honor, and children make school plays about the valiant stand of the Batallón de San Patricio. If only the protestant Americans hadn't committed atrocities against the Mexican Catholics ... I mean, is there a better way to get an Irishman to fight you? I think you got who betrayed who backwards.
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Originally posted by Viking
Yeah, I guess that's what they are called in your country. In Mexico they have two national holidays in their honor, and children make school plays about the valiant stand of the Batallón de San Patricio. If only the protestant Americans hadn't committed atrocities against the Mexican Catholics ... I mean, is there a better way to get an Irishman to fight you? I think you got who betrayed who backwards.
Being of Mexican descent, I am quite familiar with Los San Patricios and the holidays for them in Mexico. It still does not take away from the fact that the majority of those that served in this unit were deserters from the US Army and changed sides in the middle of a war to fight against the United States.
John Riley, who created and led Los San Patricios, deserted from the US Army and crossed the border to Matamoros and pledged his support for Mexico and offered his and his fellow traitors services to the Mexican army to create an artillery battalion. This took place before the United States declared war on Mexico. So, please tell me, what atrocities did Riley witness in his brief service in the US Army that forced him to defect? Or for that matter the rest of his battalion since most of them defected at the same time? I'm not denying there were atrocities committed in the name of religion as those that did take place are well documented and were done by both Catholics and Protestants.
The majority of the Irish Catholics (there were also a sizable number of German Catholics) that deserted to join Los San Patricios, based on evidence of Riley's letters and those of his senior officers, were from a the shared religion of the Irish and the Mexicans, sympathy for the Mexican cause and the promise of 300 acres after the war.
During the Vietnam War, the North Vietnamese tried to get the black soldier to desert their posts or refuse to fight by playing the race card. There was a major propoganda effort trying to persuade them to desert and refuse to fight by asking them why fight for a country that oppresses you back at home? Why die for a country that doesn't think of you as a citizen? The North Vietnamese used the same propoganda the Mexicans used in trying to get Catholics in the US Army to desert and switch sides.
Here is an excerpt of a letter written by General Santa Anna.
Can you fight by the side of those who put fire to your temples in Boston and Philadelphia? Did you witness such dreadful crimes and sacrileges without making a solemn vow to our Lord? If you are Catholic, the same as we, if you follow the doctrines of Our Savior, why are you murdering your brethren? Why are you antagonistic to those who defend their country and your own God?
While in your country, you may look up to those that willingly desert from your armed forces during time of war to fight for the other side but I guess on this side of the pond we call them what they really are...Traitors. Los San Patricios got what they deserved when they were finally captured.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by LEADPIG
Sounds like you are presesnting that as some sort of evidence, like it means something. Like it's because they are illegals from Mexico. Like it's because of they're ethnicity.... you sound prejudiced and you don't even know it.
If you are against it no matter what their ethnicity is, then you are on my side about it. They are fugitives because they are *******s, nothing else. I wonder how some of you would feel and how loud you'd scream if say these people were English. When you say comments like the above it makes me wonder.
"Sounds" being the key word.
It probably "means" that illegals from mexico are running unchecked.
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Ledpig,
I'm hispanic by origin. I also happen to realize from living within 65 miles of the border for 50 years the impact of illegals entering primarily from Mexico on both my community and my state. I don't give a rats bellybutton what country the illegal is from, what color their skin is or what church if any they attend. I do care that they are either unable, or more likely unwilling, to enter legally and become a citizen of this country.
If they are not willing to put aside their old country for their new home, they are in the wrong country and need to go back home. The US is not the globes charity point and we are not all the globes Salvation Army for any person to simply start to enjoy without becoming a citizen.
My brother, who learned English when he went to school feels the same way. There is a great difference in those who came seeking work 20 and 40 years ago and a great number of those who are coming now. The ones who came before wanted to work to better themselves. Many now just want to better themselves by taking what others worked for.
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geeze mav... you are as bad as my girlfriend (of mexican decent) who hates the illegals.
I think she hates them more for being lazy criminals and making the real Americans of hispanic decent look bad tho than anything else.
I think she also resents the fact that her parents worked hard to be legal and learn the language and the customs of this country and become good citizens while these people whine about a country that is giving them handouts and at the same time...
display the flag of a country that is so bad that they had to flee it.
lazs
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Laz,
I don't knock some of the hard working "wets" that come to work. My Uncle used to hire a couple to work his ranch. It seemed there were several whites that didn't want to work for an American of hispanic decent. The wets he had working for him did a days work for a fair wage the whites didn't want to take. They also worked as hard and as long as my Uncle did.
What we are seeing in the last 15 to 20 years are not hard working folks, they are the dregs of a society in a lot of cases. We don't need them or want them in this country.
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Originally posted by LEADPIG
Sounds like you are presesnting that as some sort of evidence, like it means something. Like it's because they are illegals from Mexico. Like it's because of they're ethnicity.... you sound prejudiced and you don't even know it.
If you are against it no matter what their ethnicity is, then you are on my side about it. They are fugitives because they are *******s, nothing else. I wonder how some of you would feel and how loud you'd scream if say these people were English. When you say comments like the above it makes me wonder.
I am prejudiced against illegal aliens!
It's the illegals that are trying to pull the race card. I have alot of friends of mexican descent, all either here legally or American citizens. Not all illegals are mexican. All illegal aliens are ILLEGAL though and should have no rights here at all.
I thought the FBI most wanted would be of interest to some... they just happen to be all mexican through no fault of my own. They worked hard to get on there.
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mav.. as you may have guessed... I have no problem with hispanics... people like everyone else. I spend a lot of time around em and to be truthful.. I like a lot of the values.
The ones who are wets.. are mostly the poorest and lowest skilled. I would like to see a work program started with work visas.. like the old brassero program.
minimum wage standards and no one comes who does not work... no kids. visa good for 6 months.
I watched these guys (and some women) work at unskilled labor and live together and save every penny they could to send home... it worked well.
We don't need to have children here who are a drain on the system and do not speak the language..
Much as I like them as people.. it is still unfair that they become citizens or are able to break the law when other peoples can't.. I know a few russians and poles and canadians and brits who want to become citizens. they can't for the most part without a lot of work.. they all speak english and they all have skills that make them not dependent on social services.. they don't have anchor babies.
Why should they lose their place in line to someone who hates this country and flys the flag of a nation he is fleeing? one who won't bother to speak the language and who has no marketable skill that will support a family?
That is really what it boils down to... fairness. fairness to all, including the taxpayer.
lazs