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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: lutrel on October 23, 2007, 08:47:18 PM
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Ok guys, we have finally got most of the bugs worked out of our computers and adjusted to the flight models in here. We have jumped around a little in the arenas getting the feel of things, but we seem to find the Allied vs Axis arena set up a little closer to what we are used to flying in. We will have our squad nights at 7PM Central time on every Monday and Thursday; feel free to either wing with us or shoot at us on those evenings.
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Welcome aboard.
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
Welcome aboard.
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Yup, good to have you.
- oldman
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Wow....it's starting to sound like the good old days in the WWII arena. I'm glad you guys are here and I know you'll make things interesting.
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Originally posted by lutrel
Ok guys, we have finally got most of the bugs worked out of our computers and adjusted to the flight models in here. We have jumped around a little in the arenas getting the feel of things, but we seem to find the Allied vs Axis arena set up a little closer to what we are used to flying in. We will have our squad nights at 7PM Central time on every Monday and Thursday; feel free to either wing with us or shoot at us on those evenings.
I'm enjoying your group, Lutrel. Pass my compliments on to TJWily, please, I've had some great fights with him.
- oldman
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I agree, generally a good group of players. I did notice that some of you boys may be a bit thin skinned. this may be a bad thing when coupled with your gameplay style, your over lack of polish in the skill the skill department and then engaging truekill on 200.
you gents will need to work on the latter two if you expect to survive the rough and tumble world of an AvA furball and 200 match.
yet to come is if I weigh in with my ascerbic wit and penchant to cause trouble but so far I haven't felt the need as TK is holding his own very well.
atta boy TK.
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You are right Storch. Avengers have plenty to work on. In WB's we were a feared squad and I have no doubt that in AH we will also prevail...in time. Our lack of polish in regard to skill is a direct factor of difference in FM's...and such was to be expected. As for the thin skin and the bantering with truekill....that is not thin skin...and I think I made it clear that I was enjoying the "back and forth" on 200 as much as I was enjoying the sim overall. That is part of the game....Personally, I like TK's "no care" attitude. He does what he wants....the sign of confidence. We were all laughing on TS at our responses on 200....it was not thin skin at all. It was entertainment.
Now, as for our plans in AvA. I dont get what the problem is. We came in last night, planned a mission where no one was, upped our heavies and went at it. It was YOU GUYS that decided to up and defend. It was not as if we saw where a furball was and decided to interfere. Heck, we were at the field for a while before anyone on your side rolled. So I dont understand what the pronblem is. Why couldnt you guys ignore us and do your own thing anywhere else on the map, as opposed to defending and then complaining that we were interfering with the dogfights? Big map gentlemen.....no reason to clog one little area...unless of course you want to defend...and believe me, that would be welcomed by the avegengers....but it is strictly your choice. So please....tell me.....how is it that our game play is interfering with your game play? To be honest, I seem to think that you guys are happy to defend....perhaps a welcome change to your otherwise boring, morgue-like arena?
Wisen up fellas.....We are bringing good stuff to the arena. Enjoy it. Are we great yet? No way....but in time we will be worthy of your defense, and you will enjoy every minute of it. Oh yeah...and if you are naive enough to up a field with all ack shot out that is being capped...you will be shot down beofre your wheels leave the RW. Call it vulching or whatever you want...I see it not as a means of an easy kill...I see it as a necessity to capture a field. BTW....when we want kills, we look for dogfights...when we are taking territory, we dont give a rats butt about kills. We kill to acheive success of the mission.
Truekill....this is to you....Had a great time going back and forth with you last night. No hard feelings I hope? Certainly none on my end.
Raptor33
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Thanks Oldman, I'll pass that along to Tj; you know he just got back with us after a 6 month leave status. LOL we even switched flight sims while he was gone and he still found us, we had to give him all his stuff back.
Storch, beware of any of my guys that appear to be thin skinned, as he is more than likely just shedding his skin. You keep an eye on your buddy TK, he'll be running around in crotchless panties with an "I LUV AVENGERS IN THE AVA ARENA" tatoo on his bellybutton before ya know it.
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Tastes like chicken...I like the noobs
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Just realize one thing guys....yes, the avengers are noobs in this arena. When we become non noobs (not sure what to call it...seems to me that maybe boobs fits the bill :lol ) we will not be a bunch of vulching gang bangers as you seem to fear. Instead we will be a polished, well organized, squad of non gamers that will ensure the intgrity of the arena and enhance the entertainment for all. We did it in the WW2 arena in WB's and we will do it in the AvA arena in AH. As for Truekill and his crotchless panties....I did a low flyby when he was sitting in a tiger on our spawn point....he mooned me as I went by and it reminded me of the horrible moment when I was a kid when I accidentally walked in on my grandmother in the bathroom as she was climbing into the tub.....ugh, I shudder when I think of it. Sorry trukill.....panties aint your style....better consider the full boxers....:lol
Raptor33
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Originally posted by lutrel
Thanks Oldman, I'll pass that along to Tj; you know he just got back with us after a 6 month leave status. LOL we even switched flight sims while he was gone and he still found us, we had to give him all his stuff back.
Storch, beware of any of my guys that appear to be thin skinned, as he is more than likely just shedding his skin. You keep an eye on your buddy TK, he'll be running around in crotchless panties with an "I LUV AVENGERS IN THE AVA ARENA" tatoo on his bellybutton before ya know it.
Hi Lutrel, don't try AvA arena yet, but you mean its like the WWII in WB?
Can you tell me more about it plz?
tx a lot.
Flo
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Hi Flozer, the AvA is more like the old WWII arena than the main arenas due to the rolling plane sets, just like we used in the WWII Arena. There is usually a more discipline crowd in there as well, not to mention some very good sticks. We fly in the AvA Arena every Monday and Thursday Night, just like we did in the old WWII Arena, and we are having a lot of fun in there.
You guys need to pop in and either wing up with us or shoot at us just like old times. It's good to see a lot of the old established squads make the move over to here; Avengers, Parrots, and now, Tropical Thunder. We even have a few Ferrets that are looking to fly with us for a while and give it a try.
Pop in on this coming Wednesday Night; I'm looking to get a few of the guys in for a little furballing exercise as well as run a few new guys through the ropes.
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Originally posted by lutrel
Storch, beware of any of my guys that appear to be thin skinned, as he is more than likely just shedding his skin. You keep an eye on your buddy TK, he'll be running around in crotchless panties with an "I LUV AVENGERS IN THE AVA ARENA" tatoo on his bellybutton before ya know it.
:rofl post the photos we will then post them in the squad BBS.
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Originally posted by raptor33
You are right Storch.
Raptor33
I read it :lol I personally have been having a very good time with you guys. you don't run to ack and you are upfront and openly gay about your game play. bring on the party favors.
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And I have been enjoying my time with you as well Storch. But I gotta tell you...I nearly gave in last night and it may have cost us a capture. You recall the one and ONLY time I shot you down? It was early in our raid. All of the ack were dead and I had dropped my ordnance on the town and was assigned to cap the field. I watched you roll...I believe you in a 110 and someone else rolled in a 190. I could have and should have taken both of you beofre you left the RW. Instead, I waited for you to clear the field, gain a little alt and then I dove in for the easy pickens. Sure I had an advantage...a major advantage.....but truth is, I had an even bigger advantage whilke your wheels were still rolling...but I hesitated as I did not want to be called a vulcher...and the hesitation gave the 190 time to get some E.....
In the future, if I am assigend to cap, I will nail any rollers. Believe me, I will not be bragging about a kill like that...or even 10 kills like that. Takes no skill to do it...but if all goes well, the mission will have bragging rights.
This being said, you guys in the AvA are outstanding sticks. Better than most I have come across in WB's AND AH. Once teh AVengers are up to speed, we are going to have a hell of a time in there....all of us...And you will not be rolling a field we are hitting. No....you, Storch, will come out of nowhere with 15K alt and naiol my butt....and we will both laugh about it all noight long...
Cya Thursday
Raptor33
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I recall. raptor you will seldomly find me above 8k. I don't have the patience to climb for that long. looking forward to running up against you guys as well
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I might just have to be there for the killing spree. You flying Allied or Axis.
Either way I'm on the opposite side in a Mossie or 190.
Hope to see you Wednesday.
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Lutrel and the rest of the "Avengers" all I have to say to or about you is you guys suck, even in mass. All of you should go to the TA and stay there untill you learn how to fight a 1 v 1.
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Originally posted by Larry
Lutrel and the rest of the "Avengers" all I have to say to or about you is you guys suck, even in mass. All of you should go to the TA and stay there untill you learn how to fight a 1 v 1.
classy:aok
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Originally posted by Larry
Lutrel and the rest of the "Avengers" all I have to say to or about you is you guys suck, even in mass. All of you should go to the TA and stay there untill you learn how to fight a 1 v 1.
Heh, reminds me of the Japanese attitude towards the Americans early in the war.
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Originally posted by Larry
Lutrel and the rest of the "Avengers" all I have to say to or about you is you guys suck, even in mass. All of you should go to the TA and stay there untill you learn how to fight a 1 v 1.
Thanks for the suggestion Trukill. I put sopme thought into the idea and I decided I would prefer practicing against someone with a little talent. I would suggest you, but you seemed quite content to sit in a tiger on our runway at the spwn point to get your kills. I guess that works for you. To me, it would be too boring.....
On a more intelligent note (You can go now trukill...you are dismissed )...does anyone know of a sound pak that will allow me to hear the change in engine pitch as my energy increases? We had that in WB's and I gotta tell ya....I got used to it. Energy management without change in pitch is a lot more difficult....I have compressed more than I would like in the arena. Any suggestions?
Raptor33::
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Compression has nothing to do with E management. If your in a "fight" and you compress then either you were attacking downhill and have a very poor grasp of proper ACM or you were trying to bug out and really werent fighting. E management actually has very little to do with having more E then the other guy. It's about utilzing the E you have correctly under the circumstances at hand. I flew WB a bit back in 97 or 98 so I have no real feel for it vs AH...here the best indicator for speed is wind noise in addition your plane will creak a bit (or in the a-20's case creak alot:)) when you reach a certain speed/G load combo. Given the fact that "same on same" fights arent possbile in the AvA you should never really compress here. At some point between 325 and 460 (under the compression speed for every plane) you will have a distinct advantage of some kind you can utilize to even the fight back out.
The other possibility is that your confusing elevator authority with compression and your dive angle is to steep...
As for the TA, if you guys havent taken advantage of it you should. We're blessed with a very talented bunch of trainers and regardless of your skill level I'm sure both you and all of your squadmates would gain some benifit.
I'm sure that WB has (or did have) its share of talented sticks but I've been "flying" since the early 90's and havent seen as strong a group of trainers anywhere.
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actually raptor TK is a very skilled player. you may want to take some DA time with him and see for yourself.
I like mitsu's sound pack
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Originally posted by humble
Compression has nothing to do with E management. If your in a "fight" and you compress then either you were attacking downhill and have a very poor grasp of proper ACM or you were trying to bug out and really werent fighting. E management actually has very little to do with having more E then the other guy. It's about utilzing the E you have correctly under the circumstances at hand. I flew WB a bit back in 97 or 98 so I have no real feel for it vs AH...here the best indicator for speed is wind noise in addition your plane will creak a bit (or in the a-20's case creak alot:)) when you reach a certain speed/G load combo. Given the fact that "same on same" fights arent possbile in the AvA you should never really compress here. At some point between 325 and 460 (under the compression speed for every plane) you will have a distinct advantage of some kind you can utilize to even the fight back out.
The other possibility is that your confusing elevator authority with compression and your dive angle is to steep...
As for the TA, if you guys havent taken advantage of it you should. We're blessed with a very talented bunch of trainers and regardless of your skill level I'm sure both you and all of your squadmates would gain some benifit.
I'm sure that WB has (or did have) its share of talented sticks but I've been "flying" since the early 90's and havent seen as strong a group of trainers anywhere.
Thanks Humble...let me explain. When in a p38, I sometimes like to go into a dive to increase my energy (and speed)...In wb's, I knew where I had to pull out of the dive to then be able to go into a vertical to acheive 0 E and then, of course, full E following the filp. When I try to do that in AH, I find that I get caught in the dive too long and thus I compress. E management was the wrong term to use...but the engine pitch always helped me to decide when to pull out of the dive as I was tryiong to increase my energy,
Raptor33
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Originally posted by storch
actually raptor TK is a very skilled player. you may want to take some DA time with him and see for yourself.
I like mitsu's sound pack
LOL...I have no doubt Trukill is a great stick. If he wasnt, I wouldnt enjoy the bantering with him as much as I do. Besides, a lousy stick, I would doubt, would trash talk like he does. But I have some great teachers...Lutrell being the best.....but thanks for the advice.
Cya tonight Storch?
Raptor33
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Originally posted by raptor33
Thanks Humble...let me explain. When in a p38, I sometimes like to go into a dive to increase my energy (and speed)...In wb's, I knew where I had to pull out of the dive to then be able to go into a vertical to acheive 0 E and then, of course, full E following the filp. When I try to do that in AH, I find that I get caught in the dive too long and thus I compress. E management was the wrong term to use...but the engine pitch always helped me to decide when to pull out of the dive as I was tryiong to increase my energy,
Raptor33
You are confusing speed with Energy. Your energy is either potential or kinetic. At the top of a loop with slow speed you have high potential energy that you can use to gain speed. By diving you turn the potential energy into kinetic energy - speed.
The only way to increase your total energy is to use the power of the engine to, gain speed (increase kinetic energy) or gain altitude (gain potential energy).
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Originally posted by raptor33
Thanks Humble...let me explain. When in a p38, I sometimes like to go into a dive to increase my energy (and speed)...In wb's, I knew where I had to pull out of the dive to then be able to go into a vertical to acheive 0 E and then, of course, full E following the filp. When I try to do that in AH, I find that I get caught in the dive too long and thus I compress. E management was the wrong term to use...but the engine pitch always helped me to decide when to pull out of the dive as I was tryiong to increase my energy,
Raptor33
Actually you are talking about E management. Your diving to increase speed with the idea that your going to use the 38's zoom to recapture that E and "flip" the other guy at the end of a rope. A couple of elements come into play...as your speed increases your plane gets less efficient as it nears compression...once its buffeting your bleeding E. Additionally you require more input and higher G loading to pull out. You never want to be anywhere near vertical as you come close...you lose more E on a hard pull out then you gained....
Your manuever doesnt occur in a vacum, its in relation to the other guy and his E state and position. The 38 is heavier then your opposition...it has more E at a given speed then its opponent. So if you go nose down vs a higher con you will accelerate down quicker and actually reach a co-e or slightly positive E state pretty quickly. The goal is to drop the nose and quickly gain E then pull back up (smoothly) and initiate a climbing rolling scissors (or similiar). The con is in a reactive situation since he's forced to respond to your moves to maintain his angular advantage. He will almost always use heavier control inputs...this scrubs E...so he reacts to your dive, then reacts to your climb, then reacts to your rolling scissors...all in a plane that has less potential E and less stability in the vertical.
Good 38 drivers never dive....they porpoise and continue to work the fight up....not down. If your diving the 38 in a fight at any time in any circumstance you dont know how to fly it.
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Originally posted by Larry
Lutrel and the rest of the "Avengers" all I have to say to or about you is you guys suck, even in mass. All of you should go to the TA and stay there untill you learn how to fight a 1 v 1.
Just gotta hate it when those panties wad up..................
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Originally posted by raptor33
LOL...I have no doubt Trukill is a great stick. If he wasnt, I wouldnt enjoy the bantering with him as much as I do. Besides, a lousy stick, I would doubt, would trash talk like he does.
Raptor33
Skill or ability has not a thing to do with Trukill's mouth.
Never has, and probably never will.
Grab a trainer like Widewing, badboy, murdr, etc. and let them train you a few times. It'll shave off 6 months of your learning curve.
Welcome to AcesHigh! I have a squaddie named "Chapel" who just came from WB's. What's w/ the mass exodous? Wild Bill finally kill it off doing something more dumb than usual?
Oh, and if you are an S3 player, make sure to click the Calendar button @ the top of the BBS. AcesHigh has some events that you would love. From first impressions you and your squad would LOVE Friday Nigh Squad Ops. 300+ players in there every friday night.
(Chapel told me that this last Scenario we did blew away anything you'd find in S3 which is high praise indeed)
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Humble and Solar...Thanks. Any input is helpful and I appreciate the time you gave to offer it.
WMLute.....I will let my CO, Lutrell, fill you in on why the move, but I am happy to say that the move has revitalized my interest in flight sims...and as for Trukill.....I suggest AH start paying him a salary....He is added entertainment to the arena. If he were in WB's they would have been foolish enough to ban him. Glad to see that the AH staff see him as the rest of us see him....harmless and entertaining.
Raptor 33
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New Blood? :D
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yup I'll be on. looking forward to seeing you guys.
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Originally posted by Kuhn
New Blood? :D
lol. Yup. You want a piece of me too?:lol
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Originally posted by raptor33
lol. Yup. You want a piece of me too?:lol
If you happen to be in my sights when I pull the trigger. Otherwise I aint the type to go that route.