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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Neubob on October 24, 2007, 10:50:30 AM
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To me it's the state of mind where one, or more commonly, a group, feels compelled to sacrifice values and beliefs for the sake public image.
It's a doubly futile policy because not only do you end up betraying your convictions, but you also end up sabotaging any potential credibility your image-making efforts may have ever possessed.
Any elaborations?
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in the words of butt-head.
"ahh, it's like stupid?"
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Originally posted by john9001
in the words of butt-head.
"ahh, it's like stupid?"
Word.
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sissy girly-men who constantly worry about how other people "feel" and are afraid to speak the truth.
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the mindset that hurting someones feelings is more damaging than physically hitting them with a bat over the head.
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“The struggle is always between the individual and his sacred right to express himself and... the power structure that seeks conformity, suppression and obedience.” —Justice William O. Douglas
My opinion has already been said by someone else...........
"Political correctness is really a subjective list put together by the few to rule the many a list of things one must think, say, or do. It affronts the right of the individual to establish his or her own beliefs." —Mark Berley
"Dangerous laws created by well intentioned people today can be used by dangerous people with evil intentions tomorrow." - Alan Eppers
IMHO the intention is to use P.C. as a tool and eventually this is where I think it's going..............
"We lost many of our rights when we asked government to control
our neighbors for our benefit -- or simply looked the other way when others did
so."
"What government can do to our neighbor, it can -- and will -- do to us. Freedom is something that we must give to others if we wish it for ourselves."
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Smoke and mirrors.
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Changing commonly used words or wording so what is conveyed cannot possibly offend one other person or group of people; accomplished by using a lot more words to say what could be said in a lot fewer words, knowing that in 10 years, the words you presently use will no longer be acceptable.
W*#sified is the short word for 'Politically Correct'.
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Sheer and utter ballcrap
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PC = BS
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Cognitive consonance :noid
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How about common courtesy?
Or didn't anyone else's parents encourage their children not to grow up to be a-holes? :lol
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i was taught not to be thin-skinned.
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Originally posted by DYNAMITE
How about common courtesy?
Or didn't anyone else's parents encourage their children not to grow up to be a-holes? :lol
Finally, a joke...
I'm glad that humor always prevails on these boards.
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Chrome plating poo.
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I am not a politician, therefore I refuse to be "politically correct". Look at it this way, if you call me an a-hole for it, odds are better than not that I won't be offended!
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PC? mmmm... computer made by IBM.
ohhhh... That PC! What was the question?
hahahahahaha :rofl :rofl :rofl
Ok, seriously, PC = President's Choice. A brand name of Loblaw Companies Limited.
TIGERESS
PS: that was for Neubob's funny bone :)
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Originally posted by Tigeress
PC? mmmm... computer made by IBM.
ohhhh... That PC! What was the question?
hahahahahaha :rofl :rofl :rofl
TIGERESS
PS: that was for Neubob's funny bone :)
Much appreciated :)
Funny bone's been growing a lot of fat on it lately.
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Although “Political Correctness” is often taken too far, it still is essential. In my mind it means withholding prejudice or degrading speech and actions. If you have an urge to call every black person you see a “%#$ N.....”, but you don’t, then you are exhibiting political correctness. Motivation to be politically correct can come from: wanting to keep one’s job, wanting to avoid a fight, wanting to not look bad in the eyes of people who do not share your prejudice, wanting to not get kicked off a forum, etc.
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Politically Correct is a term used by weak useless individuals to protect weak useless individuals.
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PC is excessive politeness, it's not essential at all, especialy not in politics. Politics are inherently going to ruffle feathers.
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dangerous
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Although “Political Correctness” is often taken too far, it still is essential. In my mind it means withholding prejudice or degrading speech and actions. If you have an urge to call every black person you see a “%#$ N.....”, but you don’t, then you are exhibiting political correctness. Motivation to be politically correct can come from: wanting to keep one’s job, wanting to avoid a fight, wanting to not look bad in the eyes of people who do not share your prejudice, wanting to not get kicked off a forum, etc.
what he said.
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BS
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Politicaly Correct Language is how one portion of our society controls the first amendmants fundimental protections for another portion of our society. If one segemt of our society fears speaking their mind and convictions, they eventualy can only speak the ideas and convictions of the portion controling the common language.
Stalin and Goebbels perfected this.
Modern american PC language(Politically Correct\ Language of the protected Victoms groups) is a stellar tribute to learning from history. They seem to have conveined a constitutional convention sometime back in the 70's or 80's that most of the country missed and amended the constitution to include a fundimental right to be offended by anything the offendee decides is offensive as long as they are not a white hetero male W.A.S.P. and vote republican.
It works very well today. You just threaten the perceived offender with remembering their name(keeping a list) with a promise of monitoring thier conduct for an open ended amount of time and use that as a veiled overture to more dire consiqueses if the offending language or actions ever show up again..... and bada beem badda boom whipped waspy.
But if they ignore your threat you file charges with HR, ACLU, lawyers, or smear them with adhominem personal attacks on a public web page with words like neanderthal, ideiot, retarded, racist, sexist, homophobe, and the worst "CHRISTIAN FUNDIMENTAL" and you have just engaged in stripping your fellow citizen of the first amendmant protections that are supposed to protect all citizens from "RETRIBUTION" for unfavorable language.
I think the latter is more to the point of what PC is today.
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Originally posted by wrag
“The struggle is always between the individual and his sacred right to express himself and... the power structure that seeks conformity, suppression and obedience.” —Justice William O. Douglas
My opinion has already been said by someone else...........
"Political correctness is really a subjective list put together by the few to rule the many a list of things one must think, say, or do. It affronts the right of the individual to establish his or her own beliefs." —Mark Berley
Sums up my opinion on the subject as well.
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PC is plastic speak.
It also sounds like someone who is terribly afraid of saying something that "might" hurt someone's ultra thin skin.
My grandmother used say: "If you can't say anything nice about someone then just don't say anything". That would be my personal preference.
Mark
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PC = not me.
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Originally posted by john9001
in the words of butt-head.
"ahh, it's like stupid?"
Beavis' response
"Hmm Hmm yeah it sucks, IT SUCKS!!"
But seriously, i believe it is going to any length to not so much as seem insensitive. it is to a point in which you will live in a fantasy dream world where in reality you sacrifice liberty and security to seem "morally superior".
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A pattern of speech used to cover one's idiocy.
It is a shame we have it. We need to let the idiots identify themselves openly.
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Here's something interesting to read Neubob, if you have some time to read it...it is somewhat lengthy. It is a psychoanalytical explanation of political correctness.
Psychodynamics of Political Correctness (http://www.sba.oakland.edu/faculty/schwartz/PCJABS.htm)
Personally I don't see PC as being a form of politeness. Quite the opposite. I see it as a heavy handed and oppressive form of avoiding or squelching debate. A common characteristic of PC is the changing of traditional vocabulary to describe things...from the specific to the vague in order to confuse. Confusion is the desired effect of political correctness. How many times have you seen a speaker receive a standing ovation for a speech you couldn't understand? You may ask yourself why someone didn't raise their hand and ask the speaker to explain themselves better? The answer is simply because no one else understands the presentation either, but they don't have the courage to stand up and demand "Hey wait a minute here. What did you say?" It's polite to applaud a good speech. It's PC to applaud a speech consisting of psychobabble.
What is psychobabble? When clear meaning is perverted with words which have a multitude of meanings with no clear meaning at all, we have "psychobabble." Psychobabble is something the PC crowd finds of very great value, since it can be used as a handy replacement for thinking. Psychobabble just sounds important and definitive. Simple example of PC psychobabble: "janitor" is transformed to "sanitary engineer." We know what a janitor does. What the heck does a sanitary engineer do? Why is the word "janitor" somehow demeaning? It's an honorable and necessary occupation. Why does it have to sound like more than it is?
PC is psychobabble, but PC demands applause of approval instead of hard questions. To do so would be un PC. Academic and university settings are notorious for this, because no one wants to look stupid among their peers by admitting they don't understand a speaker. I think this is how PC has gained such a strong foothold. Psychobabble is overflowing in these institutions of higher learning.
Because language is so closely related to culture, to change traditional language has the effect of changing traditional culture. If language becomes vague and less descriptive, (or worse... becomes deceiving,) the cultural result will be more towards a blurring of the objective and subjective, and we see this with a PC moral relativity attempting to confuse an understanding of absolute right and wrong. PC tries to equalize cultures (multiculturalism), so if something is ok for one culture but not acceptable here, PC will validate it on the grounds it is ok for that culture, so why not here? It will not deal with absolutes because absolutes don't exist in a realm of vagueness and non reality.
PC also minimizes or dismisses contributions by Western civilization (Greece and Rome) in favor of those made by lesser civilizations. Admittedly we do now know more about some of those civilizations and they are very interesting and have made important contributions, but they should never overlord unarguably significant contributions of universal importance. One aspect of PC is the removal of the notion of achievement and merit. I wonder if the words "good", "better" and "best" will eventually disappear from our dictionaries.
PC is a regressive social phenomenon, the purpose of which is to reserve power to "the anointed." In this case, PC is an attempt by academics to decide how everyone else should speak and act. After all, they know best what is politically correct not just for them, but for us as well.:rolleyes:
Les
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Although “Political Correctness” is often taken too far, it still is essential. In my mind it means withholding prejudice or degrading speech and actions. If you have an urge to call every black person you see a “%#$ N.....”, but you don’t, then you are exhibiting political correctness. Motivation to be politically correct can come from: wanting to keep one’s job, wanting to avoid a fight, wanting to not look bad in the eyes of people who do not share your prejudice, wanting to not get kicked off a forum, etc.
I think that there's a difference between what is politically correct and what is socially acceptable. I may be wrong, of course, but to me it seems like socially acceptable is a way of behaving (mostly to do with politeness), while political correctness is a way of thinking.
We all know it's not pleasant, or generally advantageous to scream “%#$ N.....”, but political correctness, in my mind, is the force that prohibits the very thought of it in the first place. It's the guilt that forces us into a passive state of mind, and ultimately, state of body. Far more significant than basic public etiquette, it's the force that strives to numb anger itself, rather than find various outlets for it... A bit like the difference between a workout with a punching bag, verses an evening of drinking yourself into a stupor.
Being socially acceptable is what allows for a society of emotional, often unstable individuals to continue to function. Political Correctness is the clinical obsession with worrying that somebody will be hurt, offended, or spurred to action because of what we might do or say.
Again, just my view.
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It is possible to speak truthfully without being a total jerkoff. If you speak the truth & are a jerkoff... you're still speaking the truth, but you usually offend everyone around you... not because of what you said, but because of how you said it.
If you speak the truth, but make just a little bit of effort, the point still comes across, but without the disdain that comes along with the offensiveness that being a jerkoff causes. That's not PC. That's manners.
(hm... as I'm listening to myself here, a picture of me being a jerkoff on 200 just flashed through my head ~ sorry about that. Yes, I'm a jerkoff more than I should be)
PC, on the other hand, I see more as appeasement (sorry, too lazy to go into something different for a spell-check). Doesn't necessarily mean PC is the truth ~ but it's what everyone wants to hear in an effort to make sure everyone comes out even ~ the total dive off the cliff of 'bread n jam for francis,' everyone comes out even, nobody gets to be placed above or below anyone else.
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A type of intellectual hypocricy that has its roots in the confusion caused by cognitive dissonance, or the conflicts inherent in trying to hold two diametrically opposed beliefs: i.e. offending one ethnic or political group by restricting their speech or actions in order to avoid offending another ethnic or political group.
A purely hypothetical example, or is that hypocritical, I can never remember: The governor of a large western state signing legislation that, among other things, effectively bans the use of the terms "mom and dad" and "husband and wife" in the state's public schools because such phrases might be offensive to gays and transgenders.
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I wonder who started political correctness? It had to start somewhere, but where? Where did it originate? Or even is it a new trend, or has it been around longer than we realize? I'm almost thinking it began with that book, I'm OK, You're OK .
Do you think PC is like a form of anxious worrying about what might happen if you offend someone non intentionally? Anyone could do that. It's called being human. Humans make mistakes. The key word is non intentional.
PC seems to thrive on a victim mindset. Who wasn't a victim before now becomes one once he has been told by PC he should be offended. Seems like molehills are turned into mountains when PC is around. As long as there are people who think, there will be arguments against it. I do understand where a thinking person might have to pretend they're PC to keep a job.
Perfect example of political correctness:
One time a couple friends and I visited one of my old teachers. The discussion got around to politeness, manners and etiquette. His wife and kids were there (about 7 and 10 years old I guess.) Well one of my friends said something to the effect of he might have said the word "n***r" before in private, but he didn't mean it in a particularly derogatory way and he would NEVER say it in front of a black person. This discussion was wrapped around having the kids hear it and to LEARN something. The mother of the 2 kids within earshot went ballistic. Even after the dad had told her to calm down, that there was nothing wrong said. She was persistent that she didn't want her children to even hear that word. She was going to protect them from that word. She is not black and there were no black people there. Ruined the evening for that guest, who was a good friend and his first time over there.
We laughed about it on the way home because it was so stupid, but my friend was p'od and I would have been too if it had been directed at me. That sure wasn't conducive to anything resembling thinking, and was rude to my guest. Pure PC.
Les
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Originally posted by Leslie
I wonder who started political correctness? It had to start somewhere, but where? Where did it originate? Or even is it a new trend, or has it been around longer than we realize? I'm almost thinking it began with that book, I'm OK, You're OK .
Do you think PC is like a form of anxious worrying about what might happen if you offend someone non intentionally? Anyone could do that. It's called being human. Humans make mistakes. The key word is non intentional.
PC seems to thrive on a victim mindset. Who wasn't a victim before now becomes one once he has been told by PC he should be offended. Seems like molehills are turned into mountains when PC is around. As long as there are people who think, there will be arguments against it. I do understand where a thinking person might have to pretend they're PC to keep a job.
Perfect example of political correctness:
One time a couple friends and I visited one of my old teachers. The discussion got around to politeness, manners and etiquette. His wife and kids were there (about 7 and 10 years old I guess.) Well one of my friends said something to the effect of he might have said the word "n***r" before in private, but he didn't mean it in a particularly derogatory way and he would NEVER say it in front of a black person. This discussion was wrapped around having the kids hear it and to LEARN something. The mother of the 2 kids within earshot went ballistic. Even after the dad had told her to calm down, that there was nothing wrong said. She was persistent that she didn't want her children to even hear that word. She was going to protect them from that word. She is not black and there were no black people there. Ruined the evening for that guest, who was a good friend and his first time over there.
We laughed about it on the way home because it was so stupid, but my friend was p'od and I would have been too if it had been directed at me. That sure wasn't conducive to anything resembling thinking, and was rude to my guest. Pure PC.
Les
Just my opinions, mind you...
Society is fluid... it changes, albiet slowly.
PC'ism is an artifact of the change of Society.
Some don't want it to change... others do.
But change is inevitable as humankind matures.
Differences between humans are a lot fewer than likenesses; cultural differences, notwithstanding.
The prior were opinions.
TIGERESS
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it is the result of letting women put socialists into power. It is also the bastardization of science with psychobabble. pretty much the same as man made global warming.. they agenda is socialism and science is perverted into the fight.
Socialism always seeks to destroy individual rights. PC is a way to attack the nasty old constitution that was written by a bunch of unrepentent individualists. The egghead community hates individualism and the constitution and embraces socialism for it's percieved "order".
In my opinion... PC has not made for politeness (albiet forced) but... resentment. Any person with any sense of right is filled with resentment when faced with PC
Those who doubt that it is socialist agenda... look at the correct term "illegal alien" and the phony socialist one "undocumented immigrant" This is beyond silly yet... some accept it. Not because it is a correct term but because it is POLITICALY correct. what "politics" would that be now? Why not call drug dealers "undocumented pharmacists"?
lazs
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Tigress made a good point about PC being fluid to whatever the social flavor of the day is. Manners never go out of style, though. Best just to use those. :)
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PC = limp wristed sissies that cry and whine about every little thing