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Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: cav58d on October 24, 2007, 07:31:24 PM
Lessons learned from Katrina?  Or wealthy caucasians that are not black....seriously.
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: Mark Luper on October 24, 2007, 07:33:04 PM
:huh


Mark
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: john9001 on October 24, 2007, 07:35:10 PM
how about, 'when told to evacuate they got out, and there was no looting, rioting, civil disturbance.'
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: cav58d on October 24, 2007, 07:37:20 PM
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Originally posted by john9001
how about, 'when told to evacuate they got out, and there was no looting, rioting, civil disturbance.'


I have no doubt that has a lot to do with it, but all i'm hearing is how fantastic the relief effort is at the stadium in SD, and it is credited to lessons learned from Katrina...Surely some lessons have been learned, but I also think it has a lot to do with it being white people....oh yea, and they aren't rioting/raping/killing eachother inside the stadium.
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: DREDIOCK on October 24, 2007, 07:38:04 PM
couple of factors.

While a disaster. the Cali fires are still smaller then the Katrina event.

Also in Cali you had competent leadership on the local level.
Which was the major cause for the breakdown in Katrina.

also had the experience of the fires of a few years ago to learn from so you were better prepaired
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: AKIron on October 24, 2007, 08:15:59 PM
Leave town when you get advanced warning a cat 5 hurricane may hit your town.
Title: Re: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: Ack-Ack on October 24, 2007, 08:16:52 PM
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Originally posted by cav58d
Lessons learned from Katrina?  Or wealthy caucasians that are not black....seriously.



Have you spent any time in San Diego other than a weekend as a tourist?  The reason I ask is that you seem to have the misconception of San Diego being a wealthy paradise that is completely made up of million dollar neighborhoods.

Oh...and your claim is wrong too.  Though the lessons came at a price, it does seem the city learned from the Cedar fires.


ack-ack
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: RedTop on October 24, 2007, 08:26:33 PM


This has potential!!!!!!





No no...don't mind me...yall carry on.
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: eagl on October 24, 2007, 08:48:03 PM
How about "Life is easier when you act civilized"?
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: AquaShrimp on October 24, 2007, 09:03:22 PM
Its hard to carry a plasma tv on your shoulder when its on fire.
Title: Re: Re: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: storch on October 24, 2007, 09:08:30 PM
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Have you spent any time in San Diego other than a weekend as a tourist?  The reason I ask is that you seem to have the misconception of San Diego being a wealthy paradise that is completely made up of million dollar neighborhoods.

Oh...and your claim is wrong too.  Though the lessons came at a price, it does seem the city learned from the Cedar fires.


ack-ack
ya sandiego is mostly working class
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: Russian on October 24, 2007, 09:36:00 PM
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Originally posted by cav58d
, but I also think it has a lot to do with it being white people....oh yea, and they aren't rioting/raping/killing eachother inside the stadium.


IIRC San Diego population is 75% Mexican....
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Post by: Slash27 on October 24, 2007, 10:15:42 PM
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Also in Cali you had competent leadership on the local level.
Which was the major cause for the breakdown in Katrina.




You got it:aok
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: lazs2 on October 25, 2007, 09:02:21 AM
oddly.. the white people did not act like savages and no rioting or looting or raping took place.   you could look to someone for help not as a potential mugger or rapist.

No pickups full of looters...  no scene out of the congo during a civil war.

it may also be relevant to note that the governor and mayors did more than posture and throw their own feces.

lazs
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Post by: texasmom on October 25, 2007, 09:04:35 AM
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Originally posted by RedTop

This has potential!!!!!!

No no...don't mind me...yall carry on.

May I pull up a porch swing & iced tea and join you in the audience?
Title: Re: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: Trell on October 25, 2007, 09:09:26 AM
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Originally posted by cav58d
Lessons learned from Katrina?  Or wealthy caucasians that are not black....seriously.


More like the infrastructure has not been completely destroyed, and the city is not cut off.
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: Dichotomy on October 25, 2007, 09:30:35 AM
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Originally posted by RedTop


This has potential!!!!!!





No no...don't mind me...yall carry on.


is this seat taken? *points
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Post by: Shuffler on October 25, 2007, 09:46:58 AM
lol most folks from New Orleans failed to return to help in the rebuilding so the illegals moved in. Now the town will be known as Nuevo Orleans with a more polka/jazz sound.

Their Mayor will be learning spanish as soon as he finishes learning english.
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Post by: midnight Target on October 25, 2007, 10:04:53 AM
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
is this seat taken? *points


If ya'll are here to watch the idiocy i'll be happy to join you

Oh look... there's lazs......that guy is funnay!
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: JB73 on October 25, 2007, 10:14:21 AM
see my signature, line 3.

no truer truth spoken here.
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: texasmom on October 25, 2007, 10:17:02 AM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
If ya'll are here to watch the idiocy i'll be happy to join you
Oh look... there's lazs......that guy is funnay!


*waving* to all of you other spectators.  Offering some burnt peanuts.  Pass them around.
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: Coshy on October 25, 2007, 10:23:00 AM
Looks like there are more spectators than participants so far.

Here's one thrown out for the crowd:

Maybe Kalifornians are conditioned to listen to the Authorities and did as they were instructed rather than loot, pillage& rape.
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: midnight Target on October 25, 2007, 10:27:35 AM
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: AquaShrimp on October 25, 2007, 10:32:31 AM
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Originally posted by JB73
see my signature, line 3.

no truer truth spoken here.


Learn how to count, its line 4.
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: JB73 on October 25, 2007, 10:37:31 AM
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Learn how to count, its line 4.
uhh


you learn to count


(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/180_1193326641_untitled.jpg)
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Post by: texasmom on October 25, 2007, 10:38:13 AM
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Learn how to count, its line 4.

Awe.. but it is the 3rd phrase. That's what he meant anyhow.
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: JB73 on October 25, 2007, 10:39:39 AM
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Originally posted by texasmom
Awe.. but it is the 3rd phrase. That's what he meant anyhow.
see above pic I DID mean line 3

if your's doesn't display like mine that's not my fault.




pathetic that someone would bother even picking that out anyway.
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Post by: midnight Target on October 25, 2007, 11:31:40 AM
Almost as pathetic as quoting it.
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Post by: AquaShrimp on October 25, 2007, 12:09:13 PM
JB73 you went and changed it.  It was line four.  

Besides, do you really think Lazs wants you posting what he says, especially on such a sensitive matter, in your sig?  The only thing you're going to do is cause trouble for him.
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: GtoRA2 on October 25, 2007, 12:14:05 PM
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
JB73 you went and changed it.  It was line four.  

Besides, do you really think Lazs wants you posting what he says, especially on such a sensitive matter, in your sig?  The only thing you're going to do is cause trouble for him.


LOL you don't know Laz very well.
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: JB73 on October 25, 2007, 12:34:02 PM
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
JB73 you went and changed it.  It was line four.  

Besides, do you really think Lazs wants you posting what he says, especially on such a sensitive matter, in your sig?  The only thing you're going to do is cause trouble for him.
yeah thats what I did. I went and changed my signature just to mess with you about something that trivial. I'm not going to bother with replying any more about this. The only thing I will say is before I posted my original reply about the infamous "line 3" I went and looked at one of my posts in another thread to see which it was since I don't have my signature memorized. I counted to 3, came back in here and posted. If you think you are that important that I'd bother "going back and changing my signature" just to mess with you on something like this you need to get a life.
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: Kermit de frog on October 25, 2007, 12:42:53 PM
I also saw that it was line 4 at the time.



:D
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: Tiger on October 25, 2007, 01:23:21 PM
How about common sense rains supreme.

Gee... a big fire is coming towards my neighborhood do I
1) Stay
2) Leave

Gee... a big Cat 5 Hurricane is coming towards my town that sits below sea level do I
1) Stay
2) Leave


As far as your sig goes... it is actaully showing as line 5 on my screen here at work.
And waht are you doing listening to the Devil Went Down to Georgia while you are posting on the BBS?
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: Stang on October 25, 2007, 01:28:30 PM
Common sense was the biggest problem with Katrina...  Gee, I live in a city that is below sea level and a major hurricane is coming.  Every hurricane doomsday prediction for an American city made the last 50 years involves New Orleans because of this fact.  

Hmm, I think I'll stay and see what happens...
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: crockett on October 25, 2007, 01:57:21 PM
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Originally posted by AKIron
Leave town when you get advanced warning a cat 5 hurricane may hit your town.


As a native Floridian, I can understand the people whom stay on certain occasions. Hell I live on beach side here in Daytona and I've ridden out quite a few hurricanes right here.

What you have to understand is there is never any "set" path for these storms. No one ever really knows where it's going until it's really too late to leave. Add to the problem, that in many cases the storms cover the entire state and in reality have the ability to hit just about anywhere. In the state.

Take for instance Andrew it was supposed to hit Melbourne, FL that's where I lived at the time. It went to the south instead of turning north like they projected. I went to my dad's house and ended up driving home the day it hit because it was a bright sunny day. You would have never known a hurricane that big was hitting the same state.

So in reality where do you go? I know people whom left town and went north during hurricanes. Only to have the hurricane miss us and they got hit up north from the left overs.

You people that think it's so easy to get up and move out of the way of these storms have never been in one. Add to the issue in Florida there are only a limited number of interstates that lead north. So how far do you think you will get when everyone in the state is trying to leave?

How much gas can you carry in your car? 9 out of 10 times during a heavy evacuation the gas stations run out of gas and this happens typically days before a Hurricane hits in many cases.

People start filling up all their cars and gas cans, next thing you know there is gas shortages everywhere, which freaks out everyone else and it ends up being a endless cycle of gas shortages.

So unless you have the luxury of leaving 3 days in advance, in many cases you are SOL with these storms. I think many of you that have never dealt with these storms, really have no idea what goes on during or prior to them. So it's easy for you to sit back and say you would do this or that.

How far can you drive on a tank of gas while doing 35mph on a highway that's a parking lot? Where do you think you will find a hotel room? I've known people whom had to drive as far away as Tennessee to find a hotel room.

Oh and BTW just because there is a Hurricane coming doesn't mean it's a national holiday. Many people's jobs don't give them off until it's hurricane warning time.

I used to do cable modem installs as a contractor for Bright House/ Time Warner. They used to make us work until the threat status was "warning". Warning means it hits within 24 hours or less, so do you quit your job everytime a Huricane gets close?
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: lazs2 on October 25, 2007, 02:59:26 PM
I have offered to help.   I have offered to take in any good looking mexican maids that are now homeless.

aquashrimp...  I think it is pretty apparent that you really can't have a good riot without negros.    we are getting a few but not enough to have a really good riot over a court decision or a basketball game or anything... oh well... some people have all the fun.

you have to be really off in the loony far left to deny that the type of people and the type of government involved in a disaster do not affect how it is handled.

lazs
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: AquaShrimp on October 25, 2007, 03:14:59 PM
Actually I agree with you Lazs.  But just saying that (even though it may be a fact) can cause alot of people to attack you.
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: JB73 on October 25, 2007, 03:17:13 PM
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Actually I agree with you Lazs.  But just saying that (even though it may be a fact) can cause alot of people to attack you.
you must be new here



:rofl :lol
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: lazs2 on October 25, 2007, 03:18:49 PM
well... thank you.

I certainly would not want to upset anyone enough that they would attack me....

lazs
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Post by: Shamus on October 25, 2007, 03:28:50 PM
I think Drediock and Trell nailed this one.

I will say that my opinion of Arnold went up a few notches.

shamus
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: lazs2 on October 25, 2007, 03:47:24 PM
shamus... perhaps there is some truth to that but just a smidge... people who are homeless in areas devestated are still under stress..

much more stress than say... a loss at the basketball game of a court decision that went the wrong way in their mind.

It matters not what the situation... you really can't have a good riot in America without negro's

sure.. you get some "girls gone wild" spring break stuff but no good ones... to see non negros going feral you have to go to primitive your-0-peean soccer games.

lazs
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: Angus on October 25, 2007, 04:00:32 PM
I saw a TV program some 20+ years ago about the U.S. grand rivers. New Orleans being relatively low, while the riverbed predicted to build up was mentionted as a candidate for disaster.
Title: Re: Re: Re: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: SkyRock on October 25, 2007, 04:10:08 PM
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Originally posted by storch
ya sandiego is mostly working class
and it's not mostly white.
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: Ack-Ack on October 25, 2007, 04:20:22 PM
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Originally posted by Stang
Common sense was the biggest problem with Katrina...  Gee, I live in a city that is below sea level and a major hurricane is coming.  Every hurricane doomsday prediction for an American city made the last 50 years involves New Orleans because of this fact.  

Hmm, I think I'll stay and see what happens...



There also a big difference between the cities.  New Orleans at the time of Katrina was a depressed city with the majority living in the city working hospitality type jobs earning mimimum wage.  A lot of those people couldn't afford to leave because they didn't have the means to voluntary evacuate piled ontop of city/state and later federal mismanagement of the situation.

None of that was present in San Diego.  If San Diego was as economically depressed as New Orleans then you would have seen a lot of the same stuff you saw happening during Katrina.

Also, most of the neighborhoods that burned in San Diego were white middle class neighborhoods with a few rich enclaves like Rancho Santa Fe or largely Hispanic communities in the South Bay.  Had the fires burned the city proper and torched communities like Encanto, National City, Barrio Logan, Shelltown, or Mountain View then there might have been a little looting going on.


ack-ack
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: RedTop on October 25, 2007, 04:26:29 PM
Cool swing:)


Nice chair btw.

Have a seat Dicho!!!!
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: lazs2 on October 25, 2007, 04:46:12 PM
I don't think American citizens of hispanic decent would have looted and rioted no matter what.   Just as the whites stuck behind in the katrina fiasco did not loot and riot and rape..

lazs
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Post by: Trell on October 25, 2007, 04:48:39 PM
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Originally posted by lazs2
I don't think American citizens of hispanic decent would have looted and rioted no matter what.   Just as the whites stuck behind in the katrina fiasco did not loot and riot and rape..

lazs



(http://www.snopes.com/katrina/graphics/looting.jpg)

http://www.snopes.com/katrina/photos/looters.asp
lol thats what i get when i try to link to some others website.

Will post the image again latter
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Post by: john9001 on October 25, 2007, 04:52:49 PM
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
 A lot of those people couldn't afford to leave because they didn't have the means to voluntary evacuate piled ontop of city/state and later federal mismanagement of the situation.

 


insert picture of hundreds of school buses in a flooded parking lot.
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Post by: Trell on October 25, 2007, 04:54:24 PM
lol  So we should add grand theft to all the poor people that could not afford to get out as well?
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Post by: Bronk on October 25, 2007, 04:59:15 PM
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Originally posted by Trell
lol  So we should add grand theft to all the poor people that could not afford to get out as well?

Insert picture of idiot mayor who failed to utilize them.:rolleyes:

Bronk
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: RedTop on October 25, 2007, 05:59:35 PM



SO thats how yall are....First sign of a slow down and off yall run. Fine!!!!
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Post by: Ack-Ack on October 25, 2007, 06:08:00 PM
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Originally posted by lazs2
I don't think American citizens of hispanic decent would have looted and rioted no matter what.


LOL!  You've never been to Barrio Logan or National City have you?


Quote
Just as the whites stuck behind in the katrina fiasco did not loot and riot and rape..

lazs



Ahhh...so those pictures of white folk removing items from flooded stores in New Orleans was just a case of them providing for their families while those pictures of blacks were just cases of them looting?

ack-ack
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Post by: Ack-Ack on October 25, 2007, 06:10:54 PM
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Originally posted by Bronk
Insert picture of idiot mayor who failed to utilize them.:rolleyes:

Bronk


But I think john9001 was trying to allude that the people could have taken those buses if they really wanted out.

At which in a later date, john9001 would have used that as an example of blacks on the rampage during a national disaster by stating how they stole buses during Katrina.


ack-ack
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Post by: AKIron on October 25, 2007, 06:11:47 PM
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
LOL!  You've never been to Barrio Logan or National City have you?


 


Ahhh...so those pictures of white folk removing items from flooded stores in New Orleans was just a case of them providing for their families while those pictures of blacks were just cases of them looting?

ack-ack


Pictures? Got a link?


I can find my own pics. I have little problem with anyone stealing food or perhaps even clothes. Stealing anything else is despicable.
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Post by: Ack-Ack on October 25, 2007, 06:23:46 PM
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Originally posted by AKIron
Pictures? Got a link?


I can find my own pics. I have little problem with anyone stealing food or perhaps even clothes. Stealing anything else is despicable.



I agree.

(http://www.markdroberts.com/images/Hurricane-looting-Wal-4.jpg)

(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a253/tbirdofparadise/katrinalooting.jpg)


ack-ack
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Post by: Trell on October 25, 2007, 06:25:20 PM
So does that mean its the goverment's fault and not those evil looting negros fault?
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Post by: AKIron on October 25, 2007, 06:27:19 PM
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Originally posted by Trell
So does that mean its the goverment's fault and not those evil looting negros fault?


Of course, and it ain't just black folk, the man is keepin' us all down. Let's boycott the government!
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: Dichotomy on October 25, 2007, 06:28:13 PM
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Originally posted by RedTop



SO thats how yall are....First sign of a slow down and off yall run. Fine!!!!



But of course... but I really think illegal immigrants could throw a pretty good riot.  I say we have a riot off.  How about in Houston? ;)
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: lazs2 on October 26, 2007, 11:32:01 AM
you might see one white guy looting but for every one you will see 30 negros doing it during katrina.  

What made it worse was seeing the negro police looting.   They were wheeling shopping carts around walmart to empty it.

I don't say every white guy had a reason but... I don't see  that guy with a shopping cart full of tennis shoes..  the local stores that were abandoned did say that people who needed food and water could take it.  essentials..

the negro police looting were loading up dress shoes and clothes.

and the rapes... and the muggings.. how many whites were involved with that?

nope... some races just go feral faster than others.

lazs
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Post by: Angus on October 26, 2007, 12:26:10 PM
Weren't there lootings during some power outs some years back? Florida maybe?
Anyway, how about the Power-out in NY, what, 1979? Were there lootings and rapes?
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Post by: JB73 on October 26, 2007, 12:37:21 PM
what about the NE power out a few years ago? I don't remember hearing about mass looting or riots, in fact wasn't it generally "calm" people sitting in bars just hanging out?
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Post by: AquaShrimp on October 26, 2007, 12:37:25 PM
If we want to look at this from a scientific standpoint, we need to examine the psychology of the situation.

People who do not mind breaking laws, and who use other people to their advantage are termed Anti-Social.  People missuse this term in everyday language, but an anti-social person is someone who does harm to society (wikipedia it for the full definition).  Criminals are anti-socials.  Now a person can be genetically predisposed to be anti-social, or if they grow up in a poor and violent neighborhood, they can pick up the traits from their environments.  In the Katrina situation, the people who didn't leave the city were those living in the poorest neighborhoods and projects.  So right there basically gives you double the rate of anti-socials running wild (genetically predisposed folks + those who picked up the traits from living in violent neighborhoods).  On top of that, once normal people see the anti-social looters looting, they want a piece of the pie too.  So basically it was a positive feedback system (snowball effect).  The anti-socials started looting, regular people began too, and the cops were somewhere in there too.
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Post by: BlueJ1 on October 26, 2007, 12:39:50 PM
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Originally posted by JB73
what about the NE power out a few years ago? I don't remember hearing about mass looting or riots, in fact wasn't it generally "calm" people sitting in bars just hanging out?


Nothing happened. People just sat in the dark. (yawn)

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Post by: john9001 on October 26, 2007, 12:47:39 PM
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Originally posted by JB73
what about the NE power out a few years ago? I don't remember hearing about mass looting or riots, in fact wasn't it generally "calm" people sitting in bars just hanging out?


it is said that there was a surge in the birth rate 9 months after the blackout.
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Post by: Torque on October 26, 2007, 06:38:30 PM
the lesson... don't put a horse commissioner in charge of a federal emergency program.

as for the negros and riot issues... i guess it is the same reason you can't have a decent basketball or football game with out them either.

it seems blacks have more testosterone and are today's gladiators... that's why white guys like to carry to even the playing field.
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Post by: AKIron on October 26, 2007, 08:48:10 PM
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Originally posted by Torque
the lesson... don't put a horse commissioner in charge of a federal emergency program.

as for the negros and riot issues... i guess it is the same reason you can't have a decent basketball or football game with out them either.

it seems blacks have more testosterone and are today's gladiators... that's why white guys like to carry to even the playing field.



or... don't depend on the feds to take care of you in the event of an emergency. I also won't put my life in the hands of local government though I do trust them a lot more than the feds.
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Post by: texasmom on October 26, 2007, 10:13:13 PM
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Originally posted by RedTop

SO thats how yall are....First sign of a slow down and off yall run. Fine!!!!


:) Was still keeping an eye over here too. Here on a smoke break. :)
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: Trell on October 26, 2007, 11:53:28 PM
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Originally posted by lazs2
you might see one white guy looting but for every one you will see 30 negros doing it during katrina.  

What made it worse was seeing the negro police looting.   They were wheeling shopping carts around walmart to empty it.

I don't say every white guy had a reason but... I don't see  that guy with a shopping cart full of tennis shoes..  the local stores that were abandoned did say that people who needed food and water could take it.  essentials..

the negro police looting were loading up dress shoes and clothes.

and the rapes... and the muggings.. how many whites were involved with that?

nope... some races just go feral faster than others.

lazs


Could also be becasue it is a black city,  and a mostly poor black city.


Bu that would make to much sense.
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: Trell on October 26, 2007, 11:57:49 PM
(http://www.theguycode.com/stories/1.16/pics/riot.jpg)

Must be the whitest black guy i have ever.

Riots at msu after a game
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: Angus on October 27, 2007, 03:58:22 AM
Maybe he should have been sent to the fray :D

(http://img1.photographersdirect.com/img/11726/wm/pd141679.jpg)
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: lazs2 on October 27, 2007, 11:01:25 AM
LOL...  I agree with torque to some extent.  It is also fortunate that negros can't shoot for crap.    negros do tend to go feral faster than most races.. whites cling to tools.. we are good with tools and like them.  mess with us and we will get all  technical and tool weilding on ya..

whites like tools.  we use em with little discrimination tho.. negros in the US are 7 times more likely to attack whites than vice versa.. we don't attack much of anyone as a rule... by comparisson.

I think it funny that people show pics of a few whites (all very young btw) acting almost... well.. negro.. and say "see, all races do it"

It is like you ignore that 1/10 of one percent of one race do it while half of another do it and say..."see.. they are the same"   Who does that really fool?

anyone?  hardly.. all of us know what will happen in the negro neighborhoods.. the only shock is how little it takes to set em off.. to make em go feral.

lazs
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: AKIron on October 27, 2007, 11:06:18 AM
Feral? I guess that's a good a description as any for unrestrained looting/rioting. I don't believe it has anything to do with race though. I think it has all to do with a culture and society. If someone is raised to have no respect for authority or other people in general then chaos will reign in the absence of external pressure.
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: Torque on October 28, 2007, 06:58:32 PM
akiron, ironic how you suggest that one should not depend on the feds... so how does that square with being pro war in teh middle-east?

laz... you're the one that consistently whines that everything is not feral enough for you... the redundant thesis to your argument is that 'whitey has been overly domesticated'.

so now you're complaining that blacks are too feral... what gives?

are you really a negro... born paradoxically whitegro... from the waiste up?

but surely whitey got what he asked for eh....after a few centuries of lynching the smart ones and breeding the strong ones for the cotton fields.

what did they expect on down the road... other than whitey would end being the black man's biatch on the testosterone totem pole. even jefferson and other slave owners couldn't force themselves on enough innocent black women to offset the trend.

mistakes made long ago so other could benefit financially... now you have to pay the price and watch tigers woods get all technical with tools.

cry me a river... whine all you want about stats... but you offer no solution.

geeze.... that sounds familiar.
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: john9001 on October 28, 2007, 07:16:56 PM
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Originally posted by Torque
akiron, ironic how you suggest that one should not depend on the feds... so how does that square with being pro war in teh middle-east?

laz... you're the one that consistently whines that everything is not feral enough for you... the redundant thesis to your argument is that 'whitey has been overly domesticated'.

so now you're complaining that blacks are too feral... what gives?

are you really a negro... born paradoxically whitegro... from the waiste up?

but surely whitey got what he asked for eh....after a few centuries of lynching the smart ones and breeding the strong ones for the cotton fields.

what did they expect on down the road... other than whitey would end being the black man's biatch on the testosterone totem pole. even jefferson and other slave owners couldn't force themselves on enough innocent black women to offset the trend.

mistakes made long ago so other could benefit financially... now you have to pay the price and watch tigers woods get all technical with tools.

cry me a river... whine all you want about stats... but you offer no solution.

geeze.... that sounds familiar.


Torque, you are a racist.
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: Angus on October 29, 2007, 04:40:25 AM
S-African guy once said:
"You can take de Kaffa from dee Bush, but you can not take de Bush from de Kaffa"

Was it your uncle Lazs :D?
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: storch on October 29, 2007, 05:58:38 AM
torque, tiger woods plays with clubs and drives a buick.
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: lazs2 on October 29, 2007, 08:05:41 AM
torque.. don't get upset now...  Far from worrying about whitey being too "civilized"   or "domesticated"..

I think you are confusing socialism with civilization... a common problem with you lefties..  

You are also confusing my desire for individualism with the negro penchant for going feral easily... individualists are moral...  feral is not.

As for solution..  I have no problem with it an do not complain about it other than to say that we have no good riots here.. I have a whole room full of solutions.

and no.. I am not negro or even part, but, do you really think that all the smart negros got themselves killed by the mean ol massa and all that is left is the really dumb ones?   Btw... you aren't part negro are you?   I do like the small reference to the whole genital thing tho... very enlightened of you.  Apparently there are some differences that you do see.   Well.. in you case that may be literal...being a lefty and all...

lazs
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: AKIron on October 29, 2007, 10:36:32 AM
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Originally posted by Torque
akiron, ironic how you suggest that one should not depend on the feds... so how does that square with being pro war in teh middle-east?


Having done my time in the military, being one of those who supported first hand the defense of my nation against enemies abroad, I'd say I'm pretty square with depending on the military to defend me from external enemies. Though I won't trust the military any more than I must and I will always own firearms as is my right guaranteed by the 2nd amendment.
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: Torque on October 31, 2007, 10:08:13 PM
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Originally posted by lazs2
torque.. don't get upset now...  Far from worrying about whitey being too "civilized"   or "domesticated"..

I think you are confusing socialism with civilization... a common problem with you lefties..  

You are also confusing my desire for individualism with the negro penchant for going feral easily... individualists are moral...  feral is not.

As for solution..  I have no problem with it an do not complain about it other than to say that we have no good riots here.. I have a whole room full of solutions.

and no.. I am not negro or even part, but, do you really think that all the smart negros got themselves killed by the mean ol massa and all that is left is the really dumb ones?   Btw... you aren't part negro are you?   I do like the small reference to the whole genital thing tho... very enlightened of you.  Apparently there are some differences that you do see.   Well.. in you case that may be literal...being a lefty and all...

lazs


yeah... you never bellyache about the negro issues... and now flip flopping on women's suffrage it would seem.

and sure laz... slavery blowback has no connection to why blacks tend to be more testosterone driven and feral individualists than whites today.

how that relates to a  confusion over socialism and civilization beats me... but i do know socialized services like the police and fire departments and utilities play a vital role in society... i'm just more honest about.

that said... being you're a public employee with union ties and work at of all places a govt waste treatment plant... maybe the confusion and bitterness for socialism and individualism arises from there.

if individualists are intrinsically moral... so are alcoholics and addicts i suppose.

errr...i wrote 'waist up' knuckles... you going down south below the waist line is disturbing.
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: Torque on October 31, 2007, 10:08:57 PM
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Originally posted by storch
torque, tiger woods plays with clubs and drives a buick.


you do have a quirky sense of humour.
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: Torque on October 31, 2007, 10:09:31 PM
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Originally posted by AKIron
Having done my time in the military, being one of those who supported first hand the defense of my nation against enemies abroad, I'd say I'm pretty square with depending on the military to defend me from external enemies. Though I won't trust the military any more than I must and I will always own firearms as is my right guaranteed by the 2nd amendment.


what does all that have to do with my question about your comment on 'not depending on the feds'?
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: storch on November 01, 2007, 07:17:58 AM
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Originally posted by Torque
you do have a quirky sense of humour.
you are incredibly slow on the uptake.
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: lazs2 on November 01, 2007, 08:30:21 AM
storch and he is  evasive to the point of dishonesty...  what about "from the waist up" did not infer that he  buys into the negro is different from the waist down deal?  or... perhaps he meant I was not as "smart" (waist up) as white people?

keep squirming torque..  it appears that you are affirming that you think we killed off all the good negros and that all that is left is the savages that commit more than half the countries violent crime and even more of the rapes and.. every major riot.

You are saying that "sure... they are savages but it is whitie's fault cause he killed all the smart ones"..  

I am not sure if there have been any studies  done on this but it is an interesting theory and.. an interesting glimpse into the mind of a leftie.

lazs
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: AKIron on November 01, 2007, 08:31:37 AM
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Originally posted by Torque
what does all that have to do with my question about your comment on 'not depending on the feds'?


I expect some return on my investment, both my bodily time in the military and my taxes. I have paid for our military projection of defense. I am entitled, like all US citizens, to enjoy the security it constitutionally provides. I won't however rely on it completely and will continue to provide for the defense of my family and even my country should that be required and as I see fit. I hope you understand me, I don't think I can make it any clearer.
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: Torque on November 06, 2007, 04:20:23 AM
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Originally posted by lazs2
storch and he is  evasive to the point of dishonesty...  what about "from the waist up" did not infer that he  buys into the negro is different from the waist down deal?  or... perhaps he meant I was not as "smart" (waist up) as white people?

keep squirming torque..  it appears that you are affirming that you think we killed off all the good negros and that all that is left is the savages that commit more than half the countries violent crime and even more of the rapes and.. every major riot.

You are saying that "sure... they are savages but it is whitie's fault cause he killed all the smart ones"..  

I am not sure if there have been any studies  done on this but it is an interesting theory and.. an interesting glimpse into the mind of a leftie.

lazs


yawn... i guess you missed the point due your fixation or maybe it's a fear of the negro genitalia... that's probably it.

i thought the analogy fit... a white guy with a hidden negro feral streak... but i concede that it doesn't apply since you've now flopped on the suffrage issue.

no squirming here... not like some explaining away their union ties and socialized workplace.

talk about being dishonest... sure go ahead remove from the equation a few centuries of slavery followed up by another of festering disfranchisement and poverty... and to say that it has no lasting residual effects or it is not one of the root causes of violence in the ghettos today... is pretty much laughable.

and sure both parties have a certain degree of blame and responsiblily.

yeah i get laz... as we all do... you're the typical aryan twanger that always complains about the negro issues... but you have no solutions other than to just pass the problems off for the next generation to deal with.

the coddled civil servant yearning to be an individualist... but *gasp* just not as individualistic as some negros in the ghettos.

did i miss anything?
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: Torque on November 06, 2007, 04:21:36 AM
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Originally posted by storch
you are incredibly slow on the uptake.


not really missing much storch... his clubs are as much a tool to bring about a means as your tig welder and cheap mexican workers are.

the only difference is... well the paycheck.
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: Holden McGroin on November 06, 2007, 04:50:04 AM
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Originally posted by lazs2
negros in the US are 7 times more likely to attack whites than vice versa..


That's not a fair comparison.  Blacks have so many more whites to attack than whites have blacks to attack.

And how far does a nazi in Hayden Lake Idaho have to travel to attack the nearest black?
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: storch on November 06, 2007, 05:34:41 AM
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Originally posted by Torque
not really missing much storch... his clubs are as much a tool to bring about a means as your tig welder and cheap mexican workers are.

the only difference is... well the paycheck.
apples and oranges and fried chicken.  you miss the point sir, you do so by a wide margin.
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: Thruster on November 06, 2007, 07:07:49 AM
I tried to add a couple of photos taken weeks after the storm, but I need to do a bit more reading to get the voodoo.

What the pics would have shown were the number of vehicles strewn among the devastated areas, specifically the predominately black neighborhoods. In the areas that had a different racial balance there are hardly any. What I devine from this is that while the ability to flee was there, the industry to do so was not.

Unfortunately it seemed as though the elements of the population that are notorious for not following the advice of the authorities and for relying on others to assist them in making their way through life did just what should have been expected....nothing, Just sat on their prettythanges and waited for someone to carry the load for them.

As a native to the coast I can tell you that it's a real hardship for many to evacuate. Traffic, accommodations, provisions can be the least of your problems when you've got tight finances and are worried about what would happen to your property once abandoned. Assuming you have assets worth protecting.

And the idea of citizens commandeering those school buses for some kind of "grass roots" evac caravan is just stupid on so many levels that it would require another thread to adequately discuss.

And don't forget, New Orleans survived the storm, it was the under engineered levees and the mismanagement of parish officials that caused the flood. I doubt any one out there would have foreseen that although in hind sight it did seem pretty inevitable.
Title: "lessons learned from Katrina"
Post by: lazs2 on November 06, 2007, 08:00:41 AM
yeah torque.. you missed about everything.  It was not me that says our negros are stupid and feral because we killed all the smart ones.  you are not a very sensitive liberal are you?

By your reasoning.. all the smart ones evaded capture and the slaughter that was America.. where we killed our slaves on a whim even tho they were worth thousands of dollars...

By your reasoning.. africa would be full of very civilized and moral negros huge resources and fertile land and umpteen years to develop without American slaughter.   a virtual paradise..  the seat of modern civilization.

Oh..  I don't think I flopped on the suffrage thing did I?  

Also.. what do you do for a living?  oh yeah.. you don't want to say.   Hell... you aren't even honest enough to admit you are a liberal socialist.   I bet you were never a private contractor in your life.   I have worked both the public and the private sector.. I think that gives me some experiance to draw on and form opinions.    What do you base yours on?

Why are liberals so dishonest and evasive?   grow a pair and tell us about yourself.

lazs