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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SuBWaYCH on October 24, 2007, 10:08:37 PM
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Do people consider major raids on strat targets (a.k.a City/Ord factory) dweebish or lame? I actualy think that carpet bombing strat targets is a lot of fun. Sorta puts you in the cockpit of a 44' raid into Germany. Ofcourse, coming across 163's and 262's and such make it even more exciting. I'm just wondering what other people have to say about this.
I consider milkrunning 1 person most of the time.
Subway
P.S. i was the guy that lead that big Strat run onto Rook City and AA factory Tuesday night. Was tons of fun to all that participated!
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Was there supposed to be a pic? Not getting one.
donkey
opps forgot to answer. I don't think it is, unless someone shows up to ruin your party, and you run.
You talking about doing this in bombers or jabo? If jabo, see above. If bombers, and you come in at 3k, prepare to be called a noob.
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Strat targets are there, they are part of the game as it was designed.
As such they are valid targets, be it a single ju-88 milk run to training to bring bomber score down. Or a full on raid on city with several planes. Knights should do MORE of this not less.
Knights need to learn to pork troops & Ord across the front more often.
Hit em wherever and however you can.
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I wish these targets were bigger, more dificult to get at, and more heavily defended by AA and fighters alike.
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I do small/major mission buff raids to strats from time to time, and i'm primary rooks. There not dweebish or lame because they are assistancing your country greatly by knocking out the next countries ammo fact/city/radar. IMO its more important than capping a base.
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If that's what you have fun doing, then it's niether dweebish, or lame.
Originally posted by thndregg
I wish these targets were bigger, more dificult to get at, and more heavily defended by AA and fighters alike.
I'd like to see the cities from the combat tour pictures incorporated into the MA's, with 2 or 3 sections of the same sized strat factories that we have now built in.
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If he strat areas had a bigger impact on gameplay the player themselves would see them worth protecting. Now it is pretty much just the same whether they are up or down.
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I agree Blauk.
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They are pretty useless to hit IMO. In most the strats can be resupplied before the bomber lands his plane. Only time it's worth while, is if your team has captured the closest base to that start to stop the resupplies.
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When I bomb strats I almost always go against Knit ones. They have some very good sticks who will go after bombers. Its true that one flight of bombers against a strat will have very little effect on the game but how often have you bombed frontline bases only to have them back up and running by the time you landed?
You cant play this game to please others. To some people everything others do is "dweebish or lame". Most of all those who chose to fly bombers. Really, who cares what others think?
Bombing strats is "fun". Myself and Talon once took 2 B-26 formations out, reduced a city from 100% to 50%, and on the way back took out a 262 and a 163 with our guns. What could possibly be more fun then that?
I love these bombers AH has modeled. Enjoy them too and play the game the way you like. Better yet become a Rook and join us sometime on strat runs.
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Originally posted by BlauK
If he strat areas had a bigger impact on gameplay the player themselves would see them worth protecting. Now it is pretty much just the same whether they are up or down.
Agreed. The strat pieces are in place, they need to be tweaked a tad though.
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I myself cannot resist going after enemy bombers :D
That is why I am all for anything that would make me see more of them.
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One set of bombers can do a lot of damage to a strat. Lancs can easily bring one under 50% (the threshold at which there is an effect for hitting them). Heck, last night I flew a set of AR234's over the Knight city and dropped it to 75% by myself with only the 9 500Kg bombs I had on board.
I rarely, if ever, see anyone trying to resupply strats.
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If you can knock down the cities, then pork the strat, it will have a bigger impact on the down time of the strat.
Not to sure, but I think if you also hit the HQ in addition to the cities and strat that will also increase down time.
Drinkin heavy at 30k,
Boner
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Cities supply strats which supply fields. HQ has no effect on this.
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Originally posted by SuBWaYCH
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I'm just wondering what other people have to say about this.
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Bombing strats is simply another of the many aspects of this game that appeal to players. Unfortunately, not all people recognize that everybody has their own definition of what fun is in the game, and quite a few people are completely intolerant ( and vocal ) of differing opinions.
There are a few of us that enjoy taking formations of bombers with any available escorts and spend, literally, an hour and a half flying 4 and 5 sectors across the map to carpet bomb strats that have NO appreciable impact to the game whatsoever. Why? Because it is fun. It's fun to see 7 or 8 formations of bombers covering each other with defensive fire.. it's fun to watch the handful of 190s and P51s maneuvering outside the defensive fire ring, looking for that opportune moment to press an attack.
It's fun to watch a sole P51/LA7 wander lazily into the 6 position of such a formation and have their wings removed before they even get a chance to fire.
It's fun to watch your squadmate escorts cover your formation and brilliantly dispatch unwelcome guests. As an escort it's fun to protect your squads bomber formation from unwelcome guests.
There are those who don't have the patience to fly as a group for an hour and never see another enemy. They probably wouldn't care for what we do. And that's ok. Don't do that. Do what is fun for you.
Don't worry if it's fun for others.
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Please keep having fun! ....don't ever worry what anybody thinks!
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Killing strats is just another part of the game. It's so fun to go in and bomb them in mass waves. Just hope that one day for JUST ONCE the defenders would all up in 109's and 190's to intercept. It would be so much funner and would make a great film.
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Boner you like that quote?:D You should see/hear the ones I cook up in real life.
Another Butt-clencher is being in a formation of high eny/perked 234s with 2 minutes of fuel left and the only possible airstrip you can make is a single strip one in the bottom of a canyon. :huh
"Stress flying" brought to you by the good folks at AH.
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Originally posted by SuBWaYCH
Do people consider major raids on strat targets (a.k.a City/Ord factory) dweebish or lame? I actualy think that carpet bombing strat targets is a lot of fun. Sorta puts you in the cockpit of a 44' raid into Germany. Ofcourse, coming across 163's and 262's and such make it even more exciting. I'm just wondering what other people have to say about this.
I consider milkrunning 1 person most of the time.
Subway
P.S. i was the guy that lead that big Strat run onto Rook City and AA factory Tuesday night. Was tons of fun to all that participated!
you f@g you went on a bomber mission with out my squad fighters there :furious
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Folks,
Strats DO have an impact upon gameplay, but you must get the Strat below 50% before the effect is felt.
So! If you simply drop some ords on a strat and only take it down to 75-80%...your run will have no effect upon the overall game, except that you dropped some targets and got a Bombing score.
However, if you take the time to set up your run (or runs), and you drop 50% or more of the strat target (more is better), then the Strat kicks in and it takes more time for the related strat targets at airfields to regenerate.
Strat Target priorities should include taking City Strats down below 50% as early as possible. The reason? Imagine a funnel in your mind, with the narrow end of the funnel representing the City Strats. All other Strats are at the top of the funnel and must flow through the narrow end (City Strat).
With that in mind, if you take City Strats below 50%...and then selected other strats (troops, ack, ords, etc) below 50%, then you COMPOUND the effect of taking down the selected strat because it must funnel through the City Strat to supply the airfields.
You can keep airfields from being well supplied for hours by doing this type of Bombing.
Just some thoughts....
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Usually I won't consider it noobish, that is, if your not coming in at 6599518716316538261653k praying to god you won't get engaged.
If you come in at about 7-10k and blast people on your way in, in my eyes, you've worked for it, claim your reward.
The only one I find noobish is taking out the radar.
Unless your preparing for a mission to come in...
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Originally posted by crockett
They are pretty useless to hit IMO. In most the strats can be resupplied before the bomber lands his plane. Only time it's worth while, is if your team has captured the closest base to that start to stop the resupplies.
I think your missing his point, the point is not to do damage , the point is the battle while doing damage, all these strats were put into the game to be attacked in order to encourage a battle, and IMHO, anything that there is to do in this game that you have fun doing is a good thing. Don't let the opinion of others define your good time, just have fun.
Don
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They can be a lot of fun and are probably the most realistic thing you can do in the main arenas. From our site:
Oct-27: The 303rd BG, 484th BG and 4th FG launched a strategic raid on an enemy radar factory. Enemy activity was not expected to be heavy so the group leveled off at Angels 17 and headed across the front line.
Someone forgot to tell the enemy that he was not expected to show up in force and the bombers found themselves under almost constant attack for the better part of thirty minutes.
If it wasn't for the little friends it would have been a really rough trip but as it was, the bombers shot down about seven bandits (Kten accounting for four of them) and the escorts shot down several others. After the 1:15 mission, the BDA on the factory stood at 75% and only three bombers were lost.
(http://www.simpilots.org/screenies/20071027-01.jpg)
(http://www.simpilots.org/screenies/20071027-02.jpg)
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Originally posted by trigger2
Usually I won't consider it noobish, that is, if your not coming in at 6599518716316538261653k praying to god you won't get engaged.
If you come in at about 7-10k and blast people on your way in, in my eyes, you've worked for it, claim your reward.
The only one I find noobish is taking out the radar.
Unless your preparing for a mission to come in...
Now why would we want to stay that low? So "you" can climb to "6599518716316538261653k" and come screaming down on us with all that "E"?:lol
Tellya what? If every fighter stays level on me everytime I engage, and only come in one at a time, I'll never climb to alt again. Even still the advantage is by far on the side of the fighter sticks. Its really amazing we down so many, while flying unescorted, and send so many running home with their pants on fire.
Yasee Subway? Trigger is an example of those on AH who expect others to fly "their way". And like they say, opinions are like AHs.
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Originally posted by trigger2
Usually I won't consider it noobish, that is, if your not coming in at 6599518716316538261653k praying to god you won't get engaged.
ZOMG imagine that Hi-alt strat buffs doing what they were suppose to do.
See rich we can agree on a subject.;)
Bronk
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Originally posted by crockett
They are pretty useless to hit IMO. In most the strats can be resupplied before the bomber lands his plane. Only time it's worth while, is if your team has captured the closest base to that start to stop the resupplies.
Somewhere in a readme file or something, I recall seeing reference to increased downtimes for affected bases. Even, if that weren't so, it is fun practice. Bomber score aside, I love seeing accurate drops on targets. The more practice, the more likely, you are to hit those crucial targets when attempting to capture bases.
What sucks is, waiting with troops next to the maproom and having most of the available friendly ordinance waisted due to inexperienced bombers (not that my bombs hit their mark either). It is awesome to see some of these guys come in and totally shut down a base in a single pass.
:aok
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It would be nice if the strats produced resource points and each country started with the same amount. Say 3000. For every hit on a strat, this is reduced. Not 1 point per bomb, but say a 10 plane mission hit a strat and leveled it, 10 points would be reduced from the resource points.
Change the victory setup, so it works with bases as it does now, or if a sides resource pool is reduced to zero. This would give strats a purpose and a reason to defend them, without the gameplay being affected. IE no ord for a long time which can really mess up gameplay.
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Hmm...just an off-the-wall, not quite caffeinated thought this morning. Take main strat down to a certain percentage as one condition for win? I'll have to think a bit more on this today.
P.S. (just poured my 2nd cup of coffee) Maybe not such a good idea. Strat factories are to fragile and small, and not much ack.
Now, this is gonna keep me preoccupied a work.
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Bombing strat is not dweebish at all. I wish more people would do it. I have alot of fun chasing them in my 109s and 190s. Its REALLY fun when you come up against a really good gunner and you have to really work your way around the buffs so they dont get your engine on first pass.
Beats the crap out of chasing low lame lalas (usually) going for the vulch-n-run all day or the spixteen stick stirrers.
my 0,02 rubles
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oh yeah bombrich i remember that sortie :D. Don't Worry i'll be home soon and i'll make up for the 2 weeks of missions that i couldn't post :aok
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Originally posted by MjTalon
oh yeah bombrich i remember that sortie :D. Don't Worry i'll be home soon and i'll make up for the 2 weeks of missions that i couldn't post :aok
Ive been a-missin ya Buddy and wondering where youv been.