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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: TequilaChaser on October 25, 2007, 06:48:02 PM
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I was going through the list of plane types for the individual countrys represented in aces High
I would greatly appreciate the idea of HTC offering plane types from some of the countries that participated in the War, yet do not have a plane in the game:
ie....
France
Finland
Australia among other countrys involved, and countrys that have 1 or 2 planes if any......
and any new additions should include planes from these countrys and not from countrys that already have a multitude of plane types representing a specific country already..........
as for plane type variants ( case in point ---> F6F series ) we should be able to easily add the F6f-3 variant and possible variants of other birds. I do not know if this would be that much more time consuming or not.....but I prefer to at least add some significant countrys plane types to the game that are not included at this time. so people from them countrys get their share of having a part in a historical war that involved the whole world...not just so called super powers......
all thoughts, comments, suggestions welcomed!
please add plane types, and add any countrys that I may have left out , regardless if they flew lend lease planes or not.......
Thank you for all HTC does for us, to have this wonderful game to play
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I think that were the use of skins somes into play. You can put British markings on your f6f. Or American markings on your spit. The A20-G has a russian skin.
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Not sure if i entirely get what your saying unless you mean adding planes like Iar-80 (romania) or Ms. 406 (france). I think itd be pretty cool to see some smaller countries planes. (BREWSTER BUFFALO)
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I.A.R. 81c
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See Rule #5
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some of the most heroic and devastating battles of WW2 were fought by British and French troops long before the yanks finally waltz over and claim 'victory'.
the french deserve a plane or two, imo.
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Originally posted by SEseph
France's only real military contribution to WWII besides being a puppet was it's White Flag Factories. Holding in proud French tradition,these industries ensured France could surrender at a moments notice.
US edumacation eh?
Just thank the water
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Germany's army was more than a match for anyone else's in 1940, including that of the USA. France, like most of Europe, was just in the unhappy position of not having a nice wide stretch of water to protect them from it. That's not to say the Allies couldn't have done a lot better in France with a more competent high command but they would have probably lost in the end whatever happened.
The problem with introducing planes like these is they would usually have a very limited scenario potential. The French planes would do OK in the EW MA (Hispanos) but how many fly in there? Seems like it would be a lot of effort for very little return from HTC's point of view.
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The French had the best tanks at the start of the war. Just inept leadership misused the tanks to full potential.
The D.520 was a great plane, the Luftwaffe used it as a trainer because they liked it.
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Australia's only indigenous plane which saw active service was the Boomerang, which served in a number of squadrons. Around 200+ IIRC
Everything else was Lend lease, or made under Licence
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/jackfrost_011/Boomerangs.jpg)
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The French tanks were better on paper than in real life. They had excellent armour but were very slow and had lousy range. The main problem though was the crew layout. There was only one guy in the turret, who had to load and fire the gun as well as commanding the tank. Most French tanks had no radios either. The best tank in France was the British Matilda Mk II but only a handful were available.
Its a mistake to focus on weapons though. The German army was the best in 1940 because of its better training, leadership, tactics and coordination with the air force.
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Originally posted by SEseph
France's only real military contribution to WWII besides being a puppet was it's White Flag Factories. Holding in proud French tradition,these industries ensured France could surrender at a moments notice.
It might be of interest to those of your ilk that not one French unit in WWII broke and ran. Not one.
They same cannot be said of American units.
The French fought very hard and very bravely. They were defeated at higher levels than that.
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See Rule #2
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See Rule #2
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I hope they add the Hawk 75, DB-7...that would flesh out some of
France's airfleet and still make you US hater's heads pop off. Win-Win :D
Heck, you could add variants of the Curtiss and make em Chinese and
American too!
The Buffalo would be nice for the Finns and Brits as well...too bad Brewster
was a US company, but what you gonna do?
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Originally posted by Greebo
The French tanks were better on paper than in real life. They had excellent armour but were very slow and had lousy range. The main problem though was the crew layout. There was only one guy in the turret, who had to load and fire the gun as well as commanding the tank. Most French tanks had no radios either. The best tank in France was the British Matilda Mk II but only a handful were available.
Its a mistake to focus on weapons though. The German army was the best in 1940 because of its better training, leadership, tactics and coordination with the air force.
Ironically it was the Brits who developed the theory that lead to the panzer
division concept and the US Navy's experimentation with naval dive bombing
that was adopted by the Germans for the Stuka tactical support aircraft.
Got to hand the Germans credit, they sure got the mix right.
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See Rules #2, #5
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Anyone that really wants to know what happened to France in 1940, I suggest reading The Rise and Fall of the Third Republic. The politicians lacked the will to fight and the generals were planning to fight WWI all over again. The regular French soldier was well trained and well equipped...to fight WWI.
To be fair, none of the Allied armies were prepared for WWII and only 2 of the 3 Axis armies were prepared.
BTW, if you are an American, I also recommend the above book as reading for comparison to the political and social mindset in the USA today. Frankly, the parallels scary.
...and now...back to your regularly scheduled thread.....:)
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Thanks for highjacking my thread..........if you do not have anything positive to add then please use this analogy "It is better to remain silent , than to speak up and post and lose all doubt of being stupid"
truely thanks for those who offered up plane types
I myself would like to see the D. 520 and also the Beaufighter
we already have some planes with different country skins ( ie spitfire, F6f5, Bf109, etc.... what I was wishing for was NEW plane types that are from other countries that have not yet been acknowledge as Karaya has posted the D. 520 for the French...
please take your political views to the officers club forum where your trash belongs.........
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
some of the most heroic and devastating battles of WW2 were fought by British and French troops long before the yanks finally waltz over and claim 'victory'.
the french deserve a plane or two, imo.
Sorry, your right. I have no right to hijack the thread.
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personally i'd rather have the french special forces covering my back even though they did supply missiles to argentina. Oh and US sky hawks that fired them......and were shot down....
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Originally posted by splitatom
See Rules #2, #5
Geez, another post from a rocket scientist!!! You might be dangerous if you had a clue. As it is....just another wank that can't spell.:lol
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Hi TC!
IMHO, these would be essential:
Fighters:
Bell P-39 Airacobra, Curtiss 75 / P36 Hawk, Dewoitine D520 and Polikarpov I-16.
Special models:
Fairey Swordfish, Fiat CR42, Gloster Gladiator and Polikarpov I-153.
Transport models:
Junkers JU52
Light Bombers:
Curtiss SB2C Helldiver
Medium Bombers
Bristol Blenheim, Heinkel HE111, Mitsubishi G4M "Betty", B-25 Mitchell, Petlyakov PE-2, Savoia-Marchetti SM79 "Sparviero" and Tupolev TU-2.
If these models were introduced, AH planeset would be able to cover the whole 1939 to 1944 period, giving the Finnish, Soviet, Italian, French and Japanese airforces a better setup for historical setups. It would also give to British, German and American airforces some important models, closing many gaps, like the lack of the HE111 or the Hawk.
As you may have noticed, since I formulated this wish, we allready got the B-25. Only 16 to go... :D
Sparrow
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Gentlemen, we have an international community here. I strongly suggest you leave your bigotry and hate at the door, or the next time, we will be happy to make sure the door is closed for you.
Do not respond to this unless it is a contribution to the intent of this thread.
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See Rules #2, #6, #5 (your last warning)
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The Boomerang is an interesting aircraft.
Before the war Australia decided to build up its airforce and develop an incipient modern aircraft production industry. To serve both purposes it licenced for production the NA33 "Yale" as an advanced trainer. After modification it was locally manufactured as the "Wirraway" and more than 750 were delivered. One has actually been credited with a kill on a Zeke. North American further developed the "Yale" for the US market and produced it as the "Harvard".
The rapid advances of the Japanese in 1942 caused a panic in Australia. Britain had sent about 100 Hurricanes to bolster the forces at Singapore and they were all lost in days. Fighter aircraft earmarked for Australian defence were "diverted" to the middle east by theatre commanders. Spitfires were promised and did eventually arrive but there was a long gap. The few Buffaloes that were operated by the Netherlands East Indies and the pitiful remnants of the US forces in the Philippines didn't offer much of a shield to the north.
American forces trying to reinforce the Philippines started assembling aircraft in Australia and flying them there through the archipelago. These were generally P-40E's (49th PG) with some P39/P400s and a few F35s showing up later. B17s started round trip bombing raids in support of MacArthur from Australian bases. The fighters were being uncrated, put together and pointed north west. US Pilots had little or no idea how to get to where they were being ordered. The "Brereton Route" was 3600 miles from Brisbane to Java.
A famous if apocryphal remark was a response to a US pilot who asked a refueller at Cloncurry how to get to Darwin.
"You won't have any trouble finding your way to Darwin. Just follow the trail of crashed Kittyhawks, you can't go wrong."
The problem was that even though American aircraft were arriving they were not "sharing" and they were crashing most of them anyway. They were focused on defending the Philippines, not Australia, in the early days.
It is worth mentioning that Australian entrepreneurs managed to gather together a force of P40s by repairing aircraft written off in accidents by the USAAC but it wasn't a great way to build an airforce.
A proposal to adopt the Wirraway as an interim fighter until something better came along was accepted. The licence for the NA33 allowed the local manufacturer, CAC, to modify it. The 1200 hp P&W R1830 (also licence produced) was plumbed in and the airframe heavily modified. 2 20mm cannon and 4 browning .303s armed it. A supercharged version was to be developed as soon as possible.
It was produced in 3 main versions CA-12 CA-13 and CA-19. It was used as a stop gap, but in the second line, for air defence (the spits arrived). It went on to become a useful army cooperation and ground attack aircraft. It was underpowered but well armed and manouverable.
Perhaps its impact would be similar to an FM2 with a couple of Hispanos.
For the first model CA-12 these figures are normally quoted:
# Dimensions
* Span : 10.97m (36'0ft)
* Length : 7.77m (25'6ft)
* Height : 2.92m (9'7ft)
# Weight
* empty : 2,437kg (5,373lb)
* max : 3,742kg (8,249lb)
# Power Plant : 1,200hp P&W R-1830-S3C4G
# Performance :
* max speed : 491km/h (305mph)
* max climb : 2,940ft/min (896m/min)
* ceiling : 29,000ft (8,845m)
* range : 1,490km (930miles)
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Bit off topic - but I mentioned the 49FG in my previous post. I was winging it all from memory and have since looked a couple of things up. I may not have been brilliantly accurate.
This page is part of a wonderful resource produced by Mr. Dunn:
49FG (http://home.st.net.au/~dunn/49fg.htm)
The whole thing is worth a read if you get time.
Rgds